Lt. Dan Choi Sends Greetings From Training

February 7, 2010 at 8:46 pm 105 comments

by Robert Cruickshank

Lt. Dan Choi, who is facing discharge from the Army under the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, is training over the weekend with his unit. He emailed some pictures from his training to us and we thought you might like seeing them.

These pictures provide illustration of what Frank Rich argued in today’s New York Times: that the American people have come to accept gays and lesbians as valuable members of our armed forces, that even most Republicans have accepted this reality and do not see any political gain from trying to block a change in the policy. Well, except for John McCain.

Lt. Choi joined the military because he believes in the values this country is supposed to stand for — especially the freedom of gays and lesbians to serve the country they love.

Lt. Choi’s pictures show us that openly gay and lesbian soldiers serving in the military is not only normal — it is also noble.

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  • 1. Ty  |  February 7, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    I cannot wait until Lt. Choi is able to defend our country and its citizens without worrying about being discharged. He’s a hero in my book, as well as all of the other LGBT members in the military. Keep up the good fight!

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  • 2. Ronnie  |  February 7, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    He is a true American Hero….anybody who would give their life for a country that still treats him like less then American is good people….SHAME on the Bigots of this country….SHAME!!!!

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  • 3. Mr. HCI  |  February 7, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    It blows my mind how decorated soldiers with impeccable military careers can go from American Hero to unworthy of service in the blink of an eye, if (s)he turns out to be homosexual.

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  • 4. Bolt  |  February 7, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    When will our sexualities become a non issue?

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    • 5. Linda  |  February 8, 2010 at 12:11 am

      Bolt–When our country truly becomes a secular nation.

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  • 6. Mike L.  |  February 7, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    Omg the las pic scared the daylights out of me, they make guns that big b4 having to use some sort of tripod?!

    It’s sort of surreal watching these pics with him actively serving and being out, it’s just awesome.

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  • 7. dieter  |  February 8, 2010 at 3:58 am

    HERE is what religion is:

    Monday, February 08, 2010
    This Week In Holy Crimes

    Over the last seven days…

    California: Pastor Martin Richter arrested for sexually assaulting a 13 year-old girl. There may be other victims.
    New Jersey: Pastor Gregor Woodcuff arrested on multiple counts of sexually assaulting an underage girl.
    California: Pastor Clevon Little accused of rape. Osbourne has a previous conviction for the same crime.
    Minnesota: Pastor John Erbele pleads guilty to soliciting prostitution.
    New York: Pastor Humberto Cruz convicted on ten counts of child molestation.
    Delaware: Pastors Jamaar and Rhonda Manlove charged with 21 felony counts of mortgage fraud, possibly the largest such case in state history.
    Missouri: Pastor Wayne Hudson charged with child molestation.
    Alabama: Pastor Ralph Lee Aaron receives multiple life sentences for molesting four pre-teen boys and creating child pornography.
    New Hampshire: Pastor Timothy Dillmuth charged with failing to report child abuse.
    Louisiana: Pastor Burcham Warren pleads guilty to molesting an 11 year-old girl.
    Minnesota: Pastor Danial Barnes sentenced to 11 years in prison for assault, burglary, and kidnapping.
    Maryland: Father Thomas Bevan charged with multiple counts of molesting boys.
    Wisconsin: Father Edmund Donkor-Baine charged with sexual assault.
    Pennsylvania: Father Ralph Johnson charged with 45 counts of sexual abuse of a minor.
    Florida: Father Kenneth Hasselbach convicted of possession of child pornography. Hasselbach was previously accused of sexually molesting an altar boy.
    New York: Imam Zulqarnain Abdu-Shahid arrested for smuggling box cutters into a Manhattan jail. Abdu-Shahid has served 14 years in prison for a 1979 murder conviction.

    This Week’s Winner –
    Australia: Father Richard Abourjaily has been reassigned from Sydney to Perth after being caught defrauding his congregants by claiming he had prostate cancer and desperately needed money in order to visit the miraculous healing waters of Lourdes, France. Abourjaily was previously dismissed from a seminary in Lincoln, Nebraska for pulling the same scam, but his Australian overseers totally swear he won’t do it for a third time in Perth.

    Labels: religion, This Week In Holy Crimes

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    • 8. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 6:10 am

      And yet we are the abominations and deviants…..pot meet kettle…

      Keyboard meet face………BOAW! BOAW! BOAW!

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    • 9. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:13 am

      yeppers, Dieter, that ’bout says it! hiPPOcrits!
      Love,
      David

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  • 10. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 8, 2010 at 4:44 am

    Keep up the good fight, Lt. Choi!

    Meanwhile, Fox News military analyst Col. David Hunt slams DADT in this clip:

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    • 11. Warren  |  February 8, 2010 at 6:32 am

      I wonder whether they pre-screened his views on this or just assumed? Either way that is a surprise!

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      • 12. Sheryl Carver  |  February 8, 2010 at 7:25 am

        Wow! Things really ARE changing! I posted in a much earlier thread that I had been in the Air Force, discovered after enlisting that I was bisexual, & got out (honorable discharge) in large part because I didn’t want to spend a career lying & waiting for someone to out me. While I am happy about much of how things went afterwards, I cried the day I was discharged. Military life is not for everyone, but I loved it; especially since back then, it was one of the few places where you KNEW that both men & women holding the same rank & seniority were paid the same. Pretty rare 35 years ago.

        I applaud all the brave LGBT service member who risked & usually lost their careers & sometimes their lives to bring us to this place.

        I also respect all of those people who, however long it took to get there, are willing to now say publicly, the old way of doing things is wrong & we need to change it. I may still disagree with many of their other opinions, but it is very hard for most people to admit even privately that they were wrong & it will only help our cause to publicly acknowledge that. It’s an opportunity to ease at least some folks further along onto the “full civil rights” side if they know they will be welcomed for their new stance, rather than suffer further castigation along the lines of, “what took you so damn long!?!”

        I know from experience that the “you’re f-ing right that you were wrong” approach only makes me wish I’d never admitted to any wrong-doing or wrong-thinking.

        Love,
        Sheryl

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    • 13. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:13 am

      Finally–somebody at Faux News who actually has some sense. Someone who has a brain between his ears and knows how to use it. DADT needs to go down, and it needs to go down NOW! Especially because since the 50’s when the UCMJ first began explicitly banning LGBTQQI’s from service, the discharge rate for us has been much lower during a time of war than during peace time. And yes, the totals are there for anyone who takes the time to look.

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  • 14. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 8, 2010 at 5:48 am

    Thank you for posting these pictures. Lt. Choi’s pictures from training show your typical gay American serviing his countr with honor and valor, and these are exactly what people need to see so that they learn the truth. These pictures show what the Prop hers do NOT want people to know–that we serve in the military and nobody has a problem with it, except the narrow-minded and the bigoted. Oh, and those who are trapped in some 1950’s “Donna Reed” fantasy that never existed except on TV.

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  • 15. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 8, 2010 at 6:15 am

    They don’t want to kill us, just lock us up.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2010/02/gay-rights-family-prayer-/1

    Article Headline: Don’t kill U.S. gays, lock them up: Family groups

    From Article: First, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, at the end of a discussion of the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy, which boots gays out of military service, asked Peter Sprigg, a senior policy fellow for the Family Research Council, “should we outlaw gay behavior?” Sprigg replied:

    “I think that the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, which overturned the sodomy laws in this country, was wrongly decided. I think there would be a place for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior.”

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    • 16. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 8, 2010 at 6:40 am

      Even for the Family Research Council, Sprigg was completely off the rails. They’re like cornered rats; they know they’re going to lose on DADT and marriage equality, so they actually ramp up the crazy.

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    • 17. fiona64  |  February 8, 2010 at 6:52 am

      So, what they’re really saying is that they want to peep in at windows?

      I guess it has never occurred to these knuckledraggers that straight people and gay people do all of the same things in bed?

      Love,
      Fiona (who wonders why it’s only “icky” or “immoral” when gay people do certain things but it’s okay if straights do the same ones …)

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      • 18. Sarah  |  February 8, 2010 at 8:16 am

        I know! I honestly have spoken to people where their main problem with gay people really boils down to the fact that gay male sex really bothers them. I always wonder, do they really not know how many straight couples practice “sodomy”?

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      • 19. Sheryl  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:58 pm

        well, they keep saying the purpose of marriage is procreation so, if they want sodomy to be illegal then we also need to make all sexual acts that don’t contribute to procreation illegal. Somehow, I think those acts are enjoyed by a majority of heteros and they wouldn’t want their right to sexual enjoyment taken away. And, of course, to go along with that, we’d need a special forces who sole job was “window peeping.”

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    • 20. Felyx  |  February 8, 2010 at 6:53 am

      He goes on to say, “If we still has those laws in force now then we would have gay activist judges like Vaghn-Walker put religion on trial now.”

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    • 21. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 6:56 am

      No!…UH…uh…not gonna happen…I told you…they will not stop at marriage….NEWSFLASH: Bigots not only did closet door open it F-ING exploded….Yeah go ahead try arresting over what 1 million people…it may have worked when there was only a few openly Gay people…but now there’s an entire wall of us…go ahead try it…and see if you don’t wind up in exile…Traitors!

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    • 22. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 8, 2010 at 7:53 am

      On the following site is a video (I am not as internet savvy as Ronnie to know how to add a video here) of Chris Matthews interview.

      http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/02/frc_criminalize_homosexuality.php

      I doubt there is any way the US would/could ever criminalize homosexuality, but it is certainly telling that this is their ultimate goal. Why do they hate us so much?

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      • 23. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 8:01 am

        Because we have Gay Days at Disney?…Maybe?

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  • 24. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 6:38 am

    Announcement:
    last night I figured something out….A little Byrd told be that 12am eastern time is peak trolling hour….I am done in that arena….Ignoring doesn’t work, replying respectfully doesn’t work, asking a question only gets a question….I say from now on we point a laugh at the dunce, talk around it like I do, and debunk away.

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  • 27. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 6:45 am

    What better place to repost this…thank you Robert Cruickshank….Lt. Dan Choi is a good leader for our cause.

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    • 28. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 8, 2010 at 6:48 am

      I needed a good cry this morning.

      Love is worth fighting for!!! Thank you Lt. Choi, for you.

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      • 29. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:07 am

        Thanx Ronnie, I really enjoyed that one! Lt. Dan Choi is truly heroic for standing-up for what he believes in and not backing down. Could we somehow talk him into running for President?

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      • 30. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:12 am

        That would be awesome…..Is he single?….I’ll be his first Lady….lol

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  • 31. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 8:21 am

    I am usually not big on conspiracy theories, but I wanted to throw this one out. Observing what a miserable excuse for a defense the PropH8 side put-up and given the SF Chronicle is a known right-wing publication. I am wondering, if this was not their plan all along to discredit Judge Walker. I am still not certain he is gay – it’s a news flash to me. All they have to do is to plant the seeds of doubt and then let grow.

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    • 32. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 8:27 am

      Hey David K…..I dedicated a video to you to make you laugh on the “Oppression” thread…I’m sure you’ll get the gist …I hope you are feeling a little better today…..<3

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      • 33. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 8:33 am

        Yeppers, I am…thanks for the dedication…I will check it out.

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      • 34. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 8:35 am

        Good I’m glad to hear that…. ; ) …<3

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    • 35. Felyx  |  February 8, 2010 at 8:51 am

      LOL It does make one wonder….but no, He is gay, and the P8-mongers are really not all that bright or coordinated. They truly believe that the world is being deceived and seduced by Satan and that there are enough judges that share their prejudice and ‘common-sense’ that even in the face of over-whelming evidence (lies) God will allow them to prevail….or else destroy the world.

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      • 36. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:03 am

        “God will allow them to prevail….or else destroy the world.”

        Thanx Felyx, I agree! BTW, the year to watch for the return of the Messiah is 2012 – rubbish! And how do I know this year…I dunno, but I thunk I saw something about it on the History Channel! LOL
        Love,
        David

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      • 37. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:05 am

        No it’s a Movie…..lol….very good….2 thumbs up

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      • 38. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:08 am

        yeah, add my two thumbs-up to that one, so I think we have 6 thumbs-up so far?

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      • 39. Felyx  |  February 8, 2010 at 12:23 pm

        Actually I have concrete proof, unassailable evidence that Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, the Savior of Man will indeed show up 12/21/2012…..

        He has already RSVP’d at my birthday party and will be featured as a guest Go-Go Boy. (I know he is 33 and all but DAMN he looks fine!)

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  • 40. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:16 am

    “Many of his Republican colleagues said little or nothing. The right’s noise machine was on mute. The Fox News report on Mullen’s testimony was fair and balanced — and brief. The network dropped the subject entirely in the Hannity-O’Reilly hothouse of prime time that night. Only ratings-desperate CNN gave a fleeting platform to the old homophobic clichés. Michael O’Hanlon, an “expert” from the Brookings Institution, speculated that “18-year-old, old-fashioned, testosterone-laden” soldiers who are “tough guys” might object to those practicing “alternative forms of lifestyle,” which he apparently views as weak and testosterone-deficient. His only prominent ally was the Family Research Council, which issued an inevitable “action alert” demanding a stop to “the sexualization of our military.”

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  • 41. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:18 am

    “Many of his Republican colleagues said little or nothing. The right’s noise machine was on mute. The Fox News report on Mullen’s testimony was fair and balanced — and brief. The network dropped the subject entirely in the Hannity-O’Reilly hothouse of prime time that night. Only ratings-desperate CNN gave a fleeting platform to the old homophobic clichés. Michael O’Hanlon, an “expert” from the Brookings Institution, speculated that “18-year-old, old-fashioned, testosterone-laden” soldiers who are “tough guys” might object to those practicing “alternative forms of lifestyle,” which he apparently views as weak and testosterone-deficient. His only prominent ally was the Family Research Council, which issued an inevitable “action alert” demanding a stop to “the sexualization of our military.”

    Here is a quote from the article at the NYT. I got a real chuckle from the the line -“the rights noise machine was on mute.”

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  • 42. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Sorry about the double post, but then I did write the encyclopedia on confusion! LOL

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  • 43. george  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:33 am

    I’ve actually come around to be in support of repealing DADT: it will close a door to easy voluntary honorable discharges and help maintain the size of the military. Existing rules will continue to allow dishonorable discharges for unwanted acts. Careful what you wish for….

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    • 44. Felyx  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:49 am

      It’s not that simple George. If a soldier wants to marry legally in his home state then the military will have to justify why it is acceptable for two soldiers of the same sex to marry but not conduct themselves as they see fit in the marriage (i.e. homosexual conduct.)

      The Military Code of Conduct will be addressed and ammended primarily for this reason.

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      • 45. fiona64  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:51 am

        Which brings us right back to “why on earth do people want to peep in at windows.”

        I don’t know about anyone else here, but I generally don’t concern myself with what “acts” people might commit in the privacy of their own homes.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 46. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:54 am

        Yeah, I’m with you Fiona! Yet there never seems to be an end to peeping tom cases in the news. Don’t these people have anything better to do?
        Love,
        David

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      • 47. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 8, 2010 at 12:24 pm

        Fiona, I think that many of them peep in windows because they are afraid they will miss something interesting. That or they are jealous because their neighbors are getting more than they are. Hey, if they stayed at home, they might get some, right?

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    • 48. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 8, 2010 at 12:12 pm

      And, Team George, the military is also looking at how to divest itself of that McCarthyish UCMJ article that calls for a dishonorable discharge for being LGBTQQI. And it is about time. My first husband served during Vietnam, served in-country, and everyone in his unit knew his sexual orientation. There was never any problem in his unit, and he had the meritorious awards to show for what type of Marine he was. So, for the trolls who want to see us locked up, killed, and/or closeted, be careful what you ask for, you may get it.

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  • 49. Felyx  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:53 am

    No way out George!

    We are in the streets! We are in the workplace! We are even in you bedrooms! We are married to you whether you know it or not!

    We are priests, congressmen, doctors, SOLDIERS and even JUDGES!!!

    The writing is on the wall….Mene, Mene, Tekel, Peres!

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    • 50. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 9:55 am

      Felyx, I thought I should tell you, we have chosen to ignore the George’s and Kay’s at this website.
      Love,
      David

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      • 51. Linda  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:06 am

        Oh David, that is the BEST news I’ve heard all day!

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      • 52. Felyx  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:11 am

        Ignore is the bases for ignorance.

        I choose not to respond to meaningless drecht.

        However George’s message was interesting and flawed on a technical issue…hence the response (and the further chiding…hey I am allowed a little fun!)

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    • 53. george  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:11 am

      Yeah, you’re here alright (I’ve seen the gay pride parade clips on the news), but you’re still the minority, and your sexual perversion is abhorent to the vast majority of the population.

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      • 54. John  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:12 am

        As was interracial marraige 50 years ago. Face it, you got nothing.

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      • 55. george  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:58 am

        John –

        Well, the Prop8 supporters do have most religious people on their side; that divide wasn’t there for interracial marriage. So, I think you’re wrong.

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      • 56. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:05 am

        Actually John you’re right …yes it was in the beginning and then towards the end just like what is happening now the churches are trying to bail out as much holy water as they can in that sinking ship…right John?

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      • 57. John  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:06 am

        “God separated the races and intended them to stay that way.” Something like that. In 1967, when Loving v. Virginia passed, 72% of the country was opposed to it.

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      • 58. fiona64  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:14 am

        John, I can help with this one:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws

        Here is what was read into the Congressional record (and my goodness, don’t some of the arguments look familiar?):

        “No brutality, no infamy, no degradation in all the years of southern slavery, possessed such villainious character and such atrocious qualities as the provision of the laws of Illinois, Massachusetts, and other states which allow the marriage of the negro, Jack Johnson, to a woman of Caucasian strain. [applause]. Gentleman, I offer this resolution … that the States of the Union may have an opportunity to ratifty it. … Intermarriage between whites and blacks is repulsive and averse to every sentiment of pure American spirit. It is abhorrent and repugnant to the very principles of Saxon government. It is subversive of social peace. It is destructive of moral supremacy, and ultimately this slavery of white women to black beasts will bring this nation a conflict as fatal as ever reddened the soil of Virginia or crimsoned the mountain paths of Pennsylvania. … Let us uproot and exterminate now this debasing, ultra-demoralizing, un-American and inhuman leprosy”

        Congressional Record, 62d. Congr., 3d. Sess., December 11, 1912, pp. 502–503.

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      • 59. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 12:01 pm

        And there it is in black and off white(because the background of this blog is not white…hahaha)

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      • 60. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 8, 2010 at 12:16 pm

        That is where you are wrong, Team George. You may want t go back and read the SCOTUS decisions and the Justices” comments and explanations on the case that led to Loving v. Virginia. The Bible was brought in on that one also, as it was for upholding most of the Jim Crow laws. You folks really need to do some serious researching, and you need to do it in a scientific manner, without allowing your Rushing Windbag and his cronies to cloud your vision and clog your ears.

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    • 61. fiona64  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:14 am

      You know, Felyx, it amazes me that people who think that our LGBT friends and neighbors are so “abhorrent” would do things like watch pride parades, videos, etc., that they continue to cite as their reasons for thinking that LGBT people are “icky” and not worthy of equal protection under the law.

      Yet, these same people do not believe that all of straight society is represented by the dimwitted Barbie clones in beauty pageants. I really cannot imagine why that is. I find the dimwitted Barbies much more abhorrent than lesbians on motorcycles or people dancing, holding hands, marching, etc.

      Love,
      Fiona

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      • 62. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:20 am

        Hey Fiona64 that dimwitted blond Barbie lost because she was against LGBT rights and Equality….they have nothing….It is not American to say those things…and now she knows its…and so will everybody else….Like Lt. Choi says we are not asking anymore….we are telling… we are TELLING……we ARE TELLING…….WE ARE TELLING!!!!!!!

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      • 63. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:22 am

        “Yet, these same people do not believe that all of straight society is represented by the dimwitted Barbie clones in beauty pageants.”

        Thanx, fiona – I could not agree more! BTW, I played Barbie with my twin sister, when I was boy.

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      • 64. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:27 am

        I still play with Barbie…….”DON”T JUDGE ME!!!!!!!!”

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      • 65. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:28 am

        Wait Wait go see this video it is hilarious:

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      • 66. Felyx  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:33 am

        Fiona, I think it speaks volumes. The reason he watches is because of the deep inner fear that straight men are not superior to anyone!

        I like pointing out the flaws unreasoned ‘logic’…it makes the fear sink in and the realization that there is no way out of this.

        Mene Mene Tekel Pares. “God has numbered your kingdom and finished it; you have been judged and found wanting; your kingdom shall be divided between the Compassionate and the Minorities.”

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      • 67. fiona64  |  February 8, 2010 at 12:56 pm

        Dear John:

        Remember, our friend(s) George doesn’t need any studies; his personal experience trumps all data. (Reference his comments that women earn less money because they choose to do so … despite data that proves otherwise.)

        Don’t hold your breath waiting for any peer-reviewed science out of George. He has failed to impress me in the slightest, despite his best efforts, as anything other than a chauvinistic neandertal.

        Love,
        Fiona

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    • 68. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:15 am

      Yeah Felyx you’re right we’ve seen the polls among the younger generations and now they are for LGBT rights and Equality…and we’ve seen the way those Bigots and trolls murder LGBT people and condone the murder of LGBT people…that’s why they are losing…The truth is in the numbers and anybody with a brain and a heart can see that we are becoming the majority(LGBT and Straight)

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      • 69. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:39 am

        Thanx, Ronnie – that is definitely a keeper! ROFLMAO
        Love,
        David

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      • 70. george  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:08 am

        What you fail to realize is that the younger generation grows up and changes its mind. That’s coming from a former liberal who had lots of liberal friends in college who have all become conservative in their older age.

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      • 71. John  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:10 am

        Yes, but age typically causes conservatism in economics, not social issues. People rarely gain more prejudices throughout their life.

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      • 72. fiona64  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:11 am

        You know, Ronnie. The bigots don’t seem to get that they are dying off. I used to be a conservative, goose-stepping Bible-thumper … and then I started using ::gasp:; critical thinking instead of just swallowing whole whatever my pastor spoonfed me.

        Unlike what some people seem to think, social consciousness does indeed develop as you get out into the world and discover that things are not as black-and-white as you thought. I pity the people who are so small-minded that they fight to hang onto hegemony over a word that has been redefined countless times throughout the ages.

        Love,
        Fiona (who honestly felt that her “traditional” marriage was strengthened by every single gay couple that was legally married in 2008)

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      • 73. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:15 am

        Ah but John..you see we are not talking about later we are talking about now…and right now the polls show the younger gen is over 75% for equality…added to the 49% of now…they scales tip even within the next few years…so start planning your weddings….LOL

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      • 74. John  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:17 am

        Of course. I was just pointing out that he was wrong anyway.

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      • 75. george  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:23 am

        Actually, people become more conservative fiscally and socially, fiscally as a matter of having worked hard to accumulate some wealth and not wanting to have to give it up for the government to redistribute; and socially as a matter of wanting their children to be brought up in a stable environment which, essentially, means preserving the status quo on all fronts.

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      • 76. fiona64  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:26 am

        You know, John, you are absolutely correct. People do become more socially conscious as they get older. They want their kids (or their friend’s kids, if they cannot have or choose not to have kids themselves) to have a better world than the one they came up in. They want those kids to have a world in which it’s safe to be who they are, LGBTQI, straight, whatever. Anyone who says otherwise is hiding their head in the sand.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 77. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:27 am

        Actually studies have shown that people become more liberal the older they get.

        “The stereotype of a cranky old man, set in his ways, getting more conservative by the day, is an enduring one. But new research has debunked the myth that people become more conservative as they age. ”

        http://www.livescience.com/health/080310-liberal-seniors.html

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      • 78. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:29 am

        Sorry, I have to step in and correct the “people change their minds as they age” meme. You wouldn’t see these patterns if that were true regarding same-sex marriage. History marches forward….

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      • 79. John  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:30 am

        You learn something new every day, I guess. Bookmarking that article now.

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      • 80. fiona64  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:32 am

        Great article, LLB. Thank you for sharing. I particularly liked this quote:

        People might find an average 60-year-old to be more conservative than an average 30-year-old, Danigelis said, but beware of extrapolating a trend. The older person, for example, might have started off even more conservative than he or she is now.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 81. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:50 am

        You are so right dopty-mom….<3

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      • 82. Felyx  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:52 am

        “Fail to realize…”

        Sorry, just thought that was hilarious.

        Some churches in the 1960’s did some failing to realize. In the intervening 30 years most either converted to popular opionion (and the law) or else failed all together.

        Congregations are changing, slowly but surely. The vocal portion of the pro marriage movement does not actually compose a majority by any stretch of the imagination. Only through fear based advertizing are they able to amass such movements. But, it is alot like crying wolf. After awhile most people concern themselves with real challenges and move on (only in this story the wolf still never shows up!)

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      • 83. george  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:58 am

        What a b.s. study; purely subjective interpretation with no control group. Take the data and make it say what you want it to say.

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      • 84. John  |  February 8, 2010 at 12:01 pm

        Care to provide a study to support your view, then?

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      • 85. fiona64  |  February 8, 2010 at 12:54 pm

        Dear Felyx:

        You really nailed it with the “boy who cried wolf” analogy. I see that straight marriage has not gone by the wayside, people have not stopped procreating, nor have any of the promised horrors occurred in any of the places where gay and lesbian couples are permitted to marry — including the United States of America.

        My husband and I went to the very nice wedding of a lesbian couple, and ::shock:: we’re still married!! Who knew that such a thing could happen, seeing as how (according to *some* people), gay couples getting married would cause a straight divorce epidemic?

        I really do pity people whose outlook on life is so small that they want to deny happiness to people who happen to be different from themselves. They must be really sad, deep down, if the only way that they can feel better is to heap scorn on others.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 86. Felyx  |  February 8, 2010 at 1:14 pm

        You are wrong Fiona…WRONG I say!

        Obviously you were not watching the trial…marriages are decline. Did you not see read about the Netherlands study that showed marriages are on a STEEP decline by 0.5% annually since gay marriage was permitted?!!! It’s a slippery slope I tells ya. Satan will cause all the boys to deny women and turn to each other to make unnatural use of their bodies….then they will start having sex too! And it will be the end of the world!!! THE END IS COMING!!!! JESUS IS NIGH!

        (Party at my place. Go Go Boys Guest Star J of N!)

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  • 87. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Did anybody hear this I’m not going to post the video because it is way O.T. but Sarah Palin really is outta her ever lovin mind?…She actually said that it would be a good strategic move for President Obama to declare war on Iran if he wants to be re-elected in 2012(there’s that date again)

    Is she F-ing nuts…she just publicly stated “NUKE US”(not in those word but still many)….that Betch done lost her mind!

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    • 88. John  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:09 am

      Well, if she does somehow get elected, at least it’s Congress that does the war-declaring. We may still make it.

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    • 89. David Kimble  |  February 8, 2010 at 10:18 am

      I saw something, I thunk on the news this morning that said that “Sarah Palin” has lost her credibility, as a candidate! I cheered and I thought, wow! – so everyone is getting on the same page!
      Love,
      David

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  • 90. rpx  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:39 am

    BACK on Topic, Lt. Choi, MANY thanks for all that you to keep us safe. I am so proud of you far satanding tall and standing up for what is right. Millions of gays and lesbians will come after you and prolly not even know that it is individuels like yourself that opened the door for them. Peace and Love

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    • 91. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 11:42 am

      I concur…….<3

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  • 92. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    And here we go again a bigot doesn’t like what the facts show….therefor they must be false and propaganda….after all they only hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see….

    You spin me right round…baby right round…like a record baby…right round…round round…..

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  • 93. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    The funniest thing is that nobody is focusing on the elephant in the blog:

    If there was to be a sturdy substantial control group(which is impossible in terms of measuring the size of the LGBT community) what would that be. Statistically speaking 50-60% of those who are LGBT are either in the closet, haven’t realized it yet due to age (0-8),or are blatantly denying it all due to social stigmatization. There is no sturdy control group for a community where the number one fact of life is to publicly state “I AM GAY”

    To see the evidence of change you need to look at the physical numbers; Parades, Rallies, Press Conferences, and LGBT event where both LGBT and Heterosexuals are welcome with open arms. We don’t say no Bigots you cannot be here, and you come and attack and call names..and its ok for you to do it because of freedom of speech and freedom to assemble… but when we go to your public events you attack, you bash, you murder, you call us derogatory names(which we all know hurts more)….and you say that we are wring for doing it…Life doesn’t work that way….you can do it to us…but we can’t?…No!…Not acceptable!

    The numbers speak for themselves….Somehow in the 1950’s there next to zero openly Gay people(which is odd because there is written history of homosexuality dating back to before the Egyptians, Romans, and Greeks) and since then the numbers have risen and have reached the millions in this country alone and that includes LGBT and our Straight Allies and the numbers are still rising….say what you want but just because you say it doesn’t make it true…if the truth is right in front of our faces…however those rose colored glasses and cotton swabbed ear plugs that the bigots wear are vaguely effective…but eventually things that are cheap need to be replaced so stock up because that business is no longer safe….even they can see that there is more money in Equality….after all we have economic, political, social, intellectual, and personal power…right?…..RIGHT???

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    • 94. Felyx  |  February 8, 2010 at 1:06 pm

      Makes a good argument for adding LGBT Other or Deline to answer to the census this year.

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      • 95. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 1:46 pm

        Though that most likely will never happen, it is a good idea to get a sturdy number at least quasi-sturdy within making an accurate estimate. Like I said measuring the size of the LGBT community as well as straight allies is next to impossible because it is something that must be said out loud and/or on paper..so my percentages are based (and I need to state this) on being within the community…I mean within the armed forces there are over 64,000 give or take a few in the closet because of DADT….you can’t ignore the numbers.

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    • 96. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 2:03 pm

      Here is a good video to better simply my observation ,and I think maybe I’ll change my # maybe its more like 40-50%(but I may be wrong, its very shaky. If anybody who is LGBT can say what you observe feel free to fill in) although this video is from 2008 it is very relevant…at least I think so…enjoy…..<3

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      • 97. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 2:14 pm

        And yes she is a real Dr.

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  • 98. fiona64  |  February 8, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Okay, again appropos of nothing …

    I had a hard week last week (and I apologize for interjecting my off-topic matters into the discussion). However, I was listening to a favorite CD by a favorite musician (http://www.brotheryusef.com) called “Kids Get The Blues, Too/Blues For Beginners.” He has a song on there that I used to sing in my elementary school chorus that got me thinking about all of us, LGBT and allies, here and what we are doing.

    Please bear with me. I was singing along this morning and trying not to cry; sometimes I wish I was as brave as all of you.

    Turns out, this song is considered one of the Top 10 civil rights anthems.

    This Little Light of Mine

    This little light of mine,
    I’m gonna let it shine
    This little light of mine,
    I’m gonna let it shine
    This little light of mine,
    I’m gonna let it shine.
    Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine

    Everywhere I go,
    I’m gonna let it shine
    Etc.

    All in my house
    I’m gonna let it shine
    Etc.

    Out in the dark
    I’m gonna let it shine
    Etc.

    Love,
    Fiona

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    • 99. Sheryl  |  February 8, 2010 at 1:58 pm

      Haven’t sung that song for years, Fiona. And, it is definitely not off topic in my book. I do hope you have a better week.

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    • 100. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 8, 2010 at 1:59 pm

      Oh, that one is quite familiar… ;-)

      Garden State Equality rocks!!!

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      • 101. Ronnie  |  February 8, 2010 at 2:07 pm

        Unfortunately Jersey Sucks….I can say that because I was born, raised, and live there/here…..People were actually threatening me on nj.com….thats why I stopped posting on there.

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  • 102. Ozymandias  |  February 8, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Lieutenant Choi, as always your service is greatly appreciated! Look forward to the day you (and good folks like you) can serve our country proudly and without having to look over your shoulder.

    Love and respect,

    Ozy

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  • 103. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 9, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    The newest response to Lt. Choi by the military will be a fascinating story to watch unfold. Not only will his unit have to deal with an openly gay man, but the entire DoD will have to cope with the reality that Dan has the backing of literally millions of US citizens.

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  • 104. fiona64  |  February 10, 2010 at 11:22 am

    LT Choi has been recalled to active duty. :-)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/09/dadt-repeal-activist-lt-d_n_455366.html

    Love,
    Fiona

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    • 105. fiona64  |  February 10, 2010 at 11:22 am

      Oops … my mistake. Looks like he has gone back to drill. Argh.

      Love,
      Fiona

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