Trial Re-enactment Episode 4

February 10, 2010 at 8:46 pm 44 comments

By Julia Rosen

Episode four is out, from MarriageTrial.com, which completes the first day of the trial.

That leaves just 11 more to go. It’s no small feat to pull this off.

Entry filed under: Televising.

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  • 1. David Kimble  |  February 10, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Yes, thank you, for providing us these important re-enactments! They are priceless.
    Love,
    David

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  • 2. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 10, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Now that the word is ‘out’, maybe the Judge can wear his pink boa. :-P

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    • 3. Bill  |  February 11, 2010 at 7:32 am

      snap!

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  • 4. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 10, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    I am just glad someone is doing this. Does anyone know if there is a way to download these and put them on a DVD so I can watch them on my TV at home?

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    • 5. dieter  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:03 am

      you can download them from youtube OR the marriagetrial.com website.

      you can play them or burn them to dvd from a program like realplayer.

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  • 6. Wade MacMorrighan  |  February 10, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    As a history-buff (though ancient history is more my expertese) Prof. Cott is my personal hero (or “hera”, as it were)!!!

    Personally, as a history-buff, I was inspired to dig-deeper when Katy Young actually claimed that Roman elite males are recorded as having publicly marriage men within civil marriage,l two examples i found were Elagabus and Nero (two Emperors who both publicly married men to the cheers of the citizens and populace of Rome!). of course, the Chuckchi and Native American plains Indians allowed two men to marry each other, and were frequently sought after as a spouse by some of the tribesmen! But, what I find DEEPLY infuriating are those vociferous Republicans and right-wingers who declare, emphatically, that “marriages” has been “one man and one woman for thousands and thousands of years”! yet, when I gently make them aware of these historic FACTS, they balk at them–to my face–and dismiss them by saying, “Those don’t COUNT as REAL marriages!” WTF?! Why not? Because they are not Christian?

    Incidentally, here is an aerticle on the TRUE MOTIVES of the Religious Right from the Southern Poverty Law Center:

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2005/spring/holy-war

    A great many of these radicals want to–and have admitted to wanting to–enforce Biblical law in our legal codes which would mean the death penalty for homosexuality, abortion, astrology, and even unchaste women before marriage (men, of course, are excluded from that law)! And, slowly, over the years, these same individuals have been gathering more power in the legal sphere through Legislators and the Courts!

    Guys, y’all have GOT to read that article! It’s scary shite, and it spells out their plans, which we have been seeing in recent years!

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    • 7. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 11, 2010 at 4:48 am

      Wade, you wrote “A great many of these radicals want to–and have admitted to wanting to–enforce Biblical law in our legal codes which would mean the death penalty for homosexuality, abortion, astrology, and even unchaste women before marriage (men, of course, are excluded from that law)!”

      They are already working towards that movement…

      Family Research Council Senior Policy Fellow, Peter Sprigg wants just that, wants homosexuality criminalized…he recently said, in an interview with Chris Matthews, “The bottom line here is that, biblically, those “who practice homosexuality” should come under the purview of the law just as much as those who take people captive in order to sell them into slavery… You express a belief in the Scriptures, and I trust your confidence in Scripture is not selective. If you believe all Scripture is inspired, then you are compelled to accept that legal sanctions may appropriately be applied to those who engage in homosexual behavior.”

      What’s even worse for their side )Family Research Council) is he really really really believes this evil thought. He hasn’t apologized, he hasn’t said it was taken out of context, nothing…come to think of it, I haven’t even seen Family Research Council come deny his words.

      Here is the article where I first read about it…http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2010/02/gay-rights-family-prayer-/1

      But there are of course so many more articles today about Family Research Council and Peter Sprigg.

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      • 8. rf  |  February 11, 2010 at 4:54 am

        Does that mean we get to kill adulterers too? There goes our government…and probably most of the Family Research Council…

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      • 9. Layla  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:48 am

        Unfortunately you can only kill adulterers if there are 2 or 3 witnesses or more. So unless they are having group sex you can’t prove it.

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      • 10. waxr  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:52 am

        What does Peter Sprigg have against capturing people and selling them into slavery? Slavery is condoned in both the Old and New Testaments. It had been supported by Christian churches for hundreds of years.

        Leviticus 25:44
        As for your male and female slaves who may belong to you – you may buy male and female slaves from the nations all around you.

        Numbers 31:9
        The Israelites took the women of Midian captives along with their little ones. . . . 31:15 Moses said to them, “Have you allowed all the women to live? . . . 31:17 Now therefore kill every boy, and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse with a man. 31:18 But all the young women who have not had sexual intercourse with a man will be yours.

        Deuteronomy 20:10
        When you approach a city to wage war against it, offer it terms of peace. 20:11 If it accepts your terms and submits to you, all the people found in it will become your slaves. 20:12 If it does not accept terms of peace but makes war with you, then you are to lay siege to it. 20:13 The Lord your God will deliver it over to you and you must kill every single male by the sword. 20:14 However, the women, little children, cattle, and anything else in the city – all its plunder – you may take for yourselves as spoil.

        Ephesians 6:5
        Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling

        Colossians 3:22
        Slaves, obey your earthly5 masters in every respect,

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      • 11. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:57 am

        Wow! Christianity is a truly evil religion!!! No wonder they don’t like happy…er…gay people!

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    • 12. Bill  |  February 11, 2010 at 7:39 am

      I’ve said it before, but these people really WILL NOT STOP until they force their bible’s Armegeddon upon the world.

      They WANT he end of the world to occur. Becuse they REALLY believe Jesus is coming down to take them up. Lots and lots of people believe it. It’s why we have raped and destroyed our very own planet. Becasue people, without even an ounce of proof, believe in this odd fairy tale that destroys lives, entire populations, and indeed mother earth.

      There is video footage out there of an elected official here in the U.S. making a statement about global warming and that we should not do anything about it because, ‘god decides when the world will end.’

      I don’t remember which wackadoo said it, but I saw it.

      And it scared the living shit out of me.

      I

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      • 13. Ed-M  |  February 11, 2010 at 6:13 pm

        Bill, you are absolutely right! We have to stop these End-timer “Christians” before they get a chance to commit WORLD WAR III. And yes, they see WWIII as the key to bringing about the Apocalypse and their blessed Rapture.

        I, on the other hand, subscribe to a different form of Chriatianity (Queer Liberation Theology) and I also believe that each generation of humanity should take steps to postpone the Apocalypse indefinitely.

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    • 14. Smokey Martini  |  February 11, 2010 at 1:42 pm

      Correction: the Chuckchi and plains Indians did not allow the marriage of two men, but rather the marriage of a man to a berdache. A berdache, as you may very well know, was considered to be neither man nor woman but a being encompassing both qualities – ‘two-spirited,’ if I may – which has often been misconstrued as a ‘third’ gender.

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    • 15. JQ  |  February 12, 2010 at 12:14 am

      Yikes! Talk about an agenda!

      Excellent article. Thanks for sharing. <3

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  • 16. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 5:56 am

    WOW, thank you, Wade, for the link to this story. If anyone has not clicked on the link in his message, I highly recommend you do. It is history viewed in a time capsule the writers of this article are obviously very well versed in the moraes and epithets the religious reich uses to demonize our community.
    Love,
    David

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    • 17. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 7:25 am

      wow…that is long read that Wade posted (I haven’t read it all yet) but this was thin passage that I liked and would like to debunk….hehehe

      “Six lawyers robed in black have magically discovered a right of privacy that includes sexual perversion,” said Jan LaRue, chief counsel for Concerned Women for America. “This opens the door to bigamy, adult incest, polygamy and prostitution,” said Ken Connor, president of the Family Research Council.

      1.) Bigamy has been around way longer then America……2.) Adult incest?……Quakers!…..3.)Polygamy is in the Bible……4.) Prostitution was around long before America and most politicians love it…and didn’t Jesus marry a prostitute?….anyway I am off to Ihop for breakfast with my mother….I’ll be back later.

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      • 18. waxr  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:38 am

        The “Right to privacy” was first invoked in Wade vs. Roe, not Lawrence vs. Texas as the article implies. And if the right to privacy does not cover what a consenting couple does in their own bed, then there is no privacy.

        Historically, the legal term “sodomy” includes oral sex as well as anal sex. That would make President Clinton a sodomite.

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  • 19. PDXAndrew  |  February 11, 2010 at 6:18 am

    It’s gotta just be the geek in me (gay AND geek, imagine how muchfun high school was for me) but whenever I hear the phrase ‘Episode 4’ I always think of Star Wars, where that episode is entitled ‘A New Hope’.
    That’s what this blog has given me: a new hope that this whole chapter of fear will finally end for us.
    Please don’t give up the fight; I don’t plan to.

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    • 20. Alan E.  |  February 11, 2010 at 7:19 am

      I totally understand being a gay geek, but I suppressed my geeky side until I was 19. I had dealt with it in 7th grade and took a lot of shit for it, so I decided to hide both aspects :(

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      • 21. PDXAndrew  |  February 11, 2010 at 7:56 am

        Yeah, I knew I couldn’t possibly hide both aspects, so I chose to show the one that only got me teased and picked on, not beaten nearly to death like the only out guy in the school…. It took me a very long time to come out.

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  • 22. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 6:58 am

    Geeze….Day 1 only

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    • 23. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 7:17 am

      Yeah, I am wondering how long it will take them to do the entire trial. It is very difficult to shoot, plan, and implement each session – it does take time.

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  • 24. Alan E.  |  February 11, 2010 at 7:20 am

    I had Posted this and watched it last week, but there was a snippet that repeated itself toward the end. It had disappeared and I thought maybe I dreamed it!

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    • 25. dieter  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:09 am

      they re-did the video that skipped, as it was an editing error. All of you should remember that John is working very hard on his own on these videos. Each day has to be prepared, the actors (who are all volunteers) have to be notified, they have to film, edit, and upload, which on youtube in hi def takes forever.
      they sometimes spend 18 hours in a day just trying to get ONE section of trial ready for all of us.(at their own expense) so please be patient. and if you really want to help, and perhaps speed things up a bit, you are welcome to donate at marriagetrial.com
      thank you all John appreciates your support.
      Thanks, Dieter

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  • 26. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 11, 2010 at 7:43 am

    Below is an excerpt from a news story yesterday.

    “Wednesday morning, the Utah House of Representatives was gay and didn’t even know it.

    You see, normally, the house starts with a morning prayer, often offered by someone who is LDS.

    But Wednesday, it was a poem instead of a prayer.

    And it was read by openly gay legislator, Christine Johnson who is pregnant and carrying a baby for two gay men.”

    http://www.abc4.com/mostpopular/story/Instead-of-morning-prayer-gay-legislator-reads/YNjx7rhya0W5hgLGbCIzzA.cspx

    I would try to use the embed code for the video that is on the right, but have doubts it would work.

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  • 27. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 7:51 am

    In yesterdays comments there was one about a Catholic article that asked Walker to recuse….they do not immediately post comments but they were not there today.

    http://www.catholic.org/comments.php?cs=1&id=35397

    So far not one comment I saw was in agreement or for the article!

    (Mine was not there….maybe it sounded to much like a calm rational real Catholic that knew what integrity was supposed to sound like… I will wait and see!)

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    • 28. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 7:52 am

      Sorry, The comments WERE there today.

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      • 29. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:00 am

        Not one post there (so far) agrees that the judge should recuse himself.

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    • 30. dieter  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:13 am

      I say we let Judge walker recuse himself..on one condition…that we reverse every single case in our countries history in which a straight judge was in any way involved in a case that affected any straight people, because after all if a gay judge is not allowed to judge gay issues, then surely NO-ONE can deny that it is also not fair for any straight judge to judge ANY case where a straight person is affected. right?
      so what case should we reverse first…oh I know….how about tax exempt status for churches. You see..it was STRAIGHT judges who decided that one….yep..I say we start right there.

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      • 31. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:05 pm

        I concur

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      • 32. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:11 pm

        Let’s not get hasty….I do not support taking away rights (tax-exempt status) that have already been granted….like marriage licenses the defense wants to retroactively repeal.

        Instead, why don’t we just enact tax exempt status for everyone!!! Then there will be no taxes to government fund any church or even the government that would regulate out marriages to begin with!!! (Sounds a bit Libertarian but still…)

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  • 33. Alan E.  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:11 am

    Same-sex-marriage trailblazer Phyllis Lyon

    This is a great little interview with the woman who was first to be married to her partner both times it was allowed in San Francisco. Unfortunately, Del Martin has since passed, but her spirit lives on!

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    • 34. Juli  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:50 am

      gosh I love Phylis, have admired her and Del for many years. We all owe them a debt of gratitude. A debt that can be paid by being out, involved in securing our rights, and telling our stories as much as we can

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    • 35. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:18 am

      Yes, I agree! She is a remarkable woman and the two of them trail blazed roads for us, where no one dared go before! Love, David

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    • 36. fiona64  |  February 12, 2010 at 8:43 am

      So many beautiful lessons in that interview for *all of us.* Thanks, Alan.

      Love,
      Fiona

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  • 37. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Openly gay man recommended for federal judge

    http://www.baywindows.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3=&id=102249

    Nominated by Sen. Chuck Schumer.

    Schumer said, “I’m proud to nominate Daniel Alter. Period. But I am equally proud to nominate him because he is a history-maker who will be the first openly gay male judge in American history.”

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  • 38. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:46 am

    This is an episode compilation of the well received LGBT storyline on “One Life to Live” towards the end at 6:54 the character “Oliver Fish” publicly comes out….he is played by Scott Evans (openly gay actor and brother of “the Fantastic 4’s” Chris Evans -another supporter of LGBT rights):

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    • 39. dieter  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:57 pm

      a gay guy named “fish”…now that’s ironic…lol

      sounds more appropriate for a lesbian character…just sayin……

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    • 40. Gordie  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:51 pm

      Thanks Ronnie! Will you be posting subsequent episodes? And do you have a YouTube station where you will be storing them (in case I miss a posting here)?

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      • 41. Ronnie  |  February 12, 2010 at 11:42 am

        you’re welcome…but no i don’t have a youtube station maybe i should get one…anyway…I will probably post more episodes where they fit…..<3…Ronnie

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  • 42. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Wow, thanx, Ronnie, that was great! I am so proud of all of us for standing-up against the PropH8’er

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    • 43. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:10 pm

      you’re welcome

      Reply
  • 44. rpx  |  February 11, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    I am enjoying the history prof. I can’t wait for the next episode.

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