Rick Santorum pushes the “Scared Experts” Meme

February 11, 2010 at 8:00 am 136 comments

by Brian Leubitz

In case you missed it, Sen. Rick Santorum (involuntarily retired, R-PA) did his best to outcrazy the crazy National Organziation for Against Marriage (NOM). If you recall, NOM sent out an email blasting Judge Walker:

He’s been an amazingly biased and one-sided force throughout this trial, far more akin to an activist than a neutral referee.

But Santorum wasn’t content to leave it there. No, as a columnist (yes, really) for the Philadelphia Inquirer, he tries to push the envelope just about as far as possible. To Santorum, the LGBT community is a nefarious organization out to steal the soul’s of children. And when this community dares to fight back? Well, that’s just hateful. From his column on Wednesday:

Groups such as the misnamed “Californians Against Hate” published blacklists of Prop 8 backers that included supporters’ names and addresses. Prop 8 advocates became the target of harassing protests, phone calls, e-mails, and mailings.

This, good Senator, is called the price of playing in the political realm. How many times has George Soros been harassed for giving to left-leaning organizations? How many times have the “liberal lefties in Hollywood” been “exposed” by FoxNews? Were there some people who crossed the line, on both sides? Of course. There were damaged yard signs on both sides, homophobic epithets sprayed on vehicles, and yes, some people were called bigots.

So, some right-winger was branded a bigot, and now they want the world to view them as the victim. So, ok, Rick, you, and your gang can be a victim if you’d like. But there are going to be some requirements of you:

1) You are no longer allowed to marry another right-winger. So, your marriage to Karen Santorum? Yup, that’s not good enough for the state. Oh, you’re allowed to marry, but just not whom you’d like.
2) If you are in Arkansas, your parental rights will be questioned and you will likely be harassed. You are, after all, a victim.
3) The drag queen Anita B. Day will launch a crusade against your “unnaturalness.” And watch out. I hear Anita is a real bitch.

But Santorum keeps it up with the “scared” off the defense witness story:

The Supreme Court blocked the effort, but by then Prop 8 supporters had lost two-thirds of their expert witnesses, who feared they would be harassed and blacklisted.

Well, yes, if you mean Paul Nathanson, who I mentioned yesterday. If you’ll recall, that was the guy the Iowa courts (made up of those radical corn-fed straight judges) thought Nathanson was just the best witness ever!

[Nathanson’s testimony is] not based on observation supported by scientific methodology or . . . on empirical research in any sense.

So, never mind the fact that these witnesses were just flat out bad witnesses, Santorum and his gang now have a way to play the victim. Well, I hope he enjoys it. I’ve heard it said, “Hell hath no fury like Anita B. Day on a bad hair day.”

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Trial Re-enactment Episode 4 Assuming Bias: Judge Walker’s sexuality

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  • 1. JDI  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:07 am

    I still don’t understand how the anti-SSMers like NOM and their ilk can claim the witnesses were still scared off since the cameras were BARRED by SCOTUS. Of course the answer is that they would have been horrible witnesses for their side, but why are they still flogging that excuse? Seems to me once the camera issue was decided, they should’ve showed up if they were so compelling.

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    • 2. Fred  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:12 am

      Your explanation seems like absolute common sense, not to mention that the other witnesses’ depositions and outside views have been openly identified and broadcast. Will it be too much to hope that Judge Walker and and deciding justices who will hear the case in the future will see the failure to testify for what it really is? The big decision makers of our legal system can’t really be so imperceptive, can they?

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    • 3. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:49 am

      they should’ve showed up if they were so compelling.

      ….which is exactly the point. The Prop H8rs know that their sheeple only watch Faux News and only read the tripe fed to them by the ‘victims’.

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    • 4. Dave T  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:37 am

      Seems to me if they had the courage of their convictions they should’ve showed up.

      People like Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, etc. stood up in spite of threats and actual physical violence because they knew they were right. I have no doubt they were afraid – only a fool is not afraid when threatened with violence – but if you believe that you’re truly right, that your cause is worth fighting for, then you do it despite your fear.

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      • 5. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:39 am

        “Real courage is feeling the fear and saddling up anyway.” — John Wayne

        I’m just sayin’ …

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 6. Mouse  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:08 am

        I have no doubt they were afriad either – afraid of a battle of wits against David Boies.

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      • 7. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:31 pm

        I agree with you, sis. And here is another one that I learne many years ago: “True courage is pressing on toward wha is right DESPITE the fear, and sometmes, BECAUSE of the fear.”

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  • 8. PDXAndrew  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Ooooh! The scary guys with rainbow shirts are making ‘harassing protests, phone calls, e-mails, and mailings’. What a load of juvenile whining.
    I’d say ‘what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander,’ except we’ve been subjected to much much worse.
    You don’t see too many cases where a straight man steps out of a straight bar and gets beaten up for it, after all.

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    • 9. dieter  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:58 am

      why as gay people do we not have the blackmail letter that NOM sent out to all gay supporters…posted on every website…playing on every news channel etc?…we dropped the ball on that one…. they BLATANTLY were blackmailing businesses and individuals, with threats to OUT them and their companies, and now they are claiming that THEY are the victims of harassment and threats…where is the blackmail letter from NOM?..why is it not EVERYWHERE?…someone step up and circulate their letter NOW!!!

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      • 10. PDXAndrew  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:45 am

        Sure… Where do I get a copy of that letter?

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      • 11. Dave T  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:38 am

        Proposition 8 Blackmail Letter

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      • 12. Ed-M  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:05 pm

        Good Lord… these people are utter hypocrites!

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      • 13. Misken  |  February 11, 2010 at 6:54 pm

        My god! What utter hypocrites. How dare they act as victims in this face of THAT?

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  • 14. Bolt  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:17 am

    We need to hire Gavin Newsome as our advocate who will speak up against these assholes; however, instead of being Mr. nice guy Gavin could smoke these bigots out of the closet, and expose every religious bigot asshole that supports this turd of a “man” named Santorum. He is clearly cashing in on anti-gay religious dollars

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  • 15. goerge  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Hey all –

    I’m here to sign off for good, at least until the trial judge reached his decision.

    In the meantime, enjoy the blog. Sorry if I seemed to be total jerk; I didn’t mean for things to degrade the way they did.

    Anyway, I said my peace. Best of luck to you all.

    George

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    • 16. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:56 am

      goerge….In twenty years of typing I have never spelled my name wrong…ever!….but, if it IS indeed you, then thank you for signing off.

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      • 17. goerge  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:03 am

        Hey Felyx –

        Intentionally misspelled because I don’t know how I’m being blocked.

        I would like to apologize to you (and Mr HCI) for getting a little carried away in later threads. My intention was to stick with legal discussion. I’m not really a hater, and I really do have several good gay friends (though I admit that I never told them that I’m against gay marriage).

        Take care.

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      • 18. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:30 am

        Kay said that if Universal marriage was granted she would drop the issue and move on. If you were to do the same it would be more than enough for me.

        I don’t mind the grumbling or the expression of personal opinion, but the hate that comes from it (from those that would go to such an extreme) is truly detrimental to the lives of those that must suffer.

        IF this is you, then the tone is different and appreciated. Sounds like we can live in peace.

        Love,
        Felyx

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      • 19. Alan E.  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:31 am

        i would suggest you grow a spine and tell your “gay friends” how you feel in person. See if they are your friends then.

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  • 20. Matt  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:30 am

    As a Pennsylvanian, one of the rare moments of pride I felt for my state was when I helped to vote Mr. “man-on-dog” Santorum out of office.

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    • 21. rpx  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:02 pm

      Woo-Hoo! Good for You!!!!!!!!!!!!11
      One less hater who claims to serve his constituancy.

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  • 22. Jeremy Morgan  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:35 am

    The extreme far right winger’s house of cards has been dealt a serious blow and is coming down. They are trying everything to save it but unfortunately there is nothing they can do but let it fall. So, with the inevitability of these and future events taking place, they are mad and screaming at the top of their lungs. They are acting as a child not getting their way. Just hang tight, they will forget about it all eventually and in the mean time just give them a sucker.

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  • 23. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:38 am

    “Just hang tight, they will forget about it all eventually and in the mean time just give them a sucker.”

    Hmm, who do you see becoming their new target, since they have lost all credibility with the gay issue?
    Love,
    David

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    • 24. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:39 am

      *points to himself* Scientists. I’m part of the evil Darwinist conspiracy to destroy the Christian Nation, don’tcha know!

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      • 25. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:42 am

        Oh, and historians, too. Just look at David Barton and the WallBuilders.

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      • 26. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:45 am

        Thanx, I needed the laugh this morning!
        Love,
        David

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      • 27. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:51 am

        BTW, I forgot to mention, there are some Christian Churches (Seventh Day Adventist), who are trying challenge the “Darwinist”. Recently in the community, where I live in California, there was an open meeting held at the local Church (just down the street from where I live), where they featured a recent film (sorry, I can’t remember which one it was – btw, I am lucky, somedays, if I can remember, who I am – [humor intended]) The film, they touted, just destroyed the credibility of Darwin – I went and had to leave before the end of the movie, since it was not my idea of created world (pun intended)
        Love, David

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      • 28. Dave T  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:40 am

        Don’t laugh. It’s probably coming.

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    • 29. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:03 am

      History shows that frequently without a common enemy factions turn to infighting. Maybe we will see more Religion v. Government (No-brainer as to who will win that one! Ask the historians!) or maybe they will go back to fighting over whose religion is the RIGHT one.

      We might even see a resurgence in inter-faith communion…wouldn’t that be a kicker!!

      But my personal vote is that they will just die a slow agonizing death as science and reason suck the ever livin’ life out of them!!!

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    • 30. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:00 am

      I see them going after muslims next…especially if there is another attack……..JMHO!!!!!…oh btw breakfast was good!

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  • 31. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:39 am

    What a bunch of Santorum!

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    • 32. debaser  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:38 am

      Ahaha damn, beat me to it. The thing about calling Rick a bigot, is that it’s true. I do enjoy seeing the whine of the persecuted hegemon. If only those icky gay people could stop being or acting gay in any way ole’ frothy found disagreeable, he wouldn’t be FORCED to persecute them in the name of his deity, and core constituents!

      You know, I haven’t ever seen Rick Santorum deny that he was a closeted homosexual, maybe he could go on Glenn Beck to prove that he isn’t secretly gay.

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    • 33. Todd  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:09 am

      I was waiting for someone to use that noun. I can’t hear his name now without thinking of that definition.

      Love,
      Todd

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  • 34. Shlee  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:45 am

    It never ceases to amaze me that the pro prop 8 people want to act like they’re the only ones that have ever been victimized for their political opinions. Yes you’re allowed to have an opinion, but I’m also allowed to think that it’s wrong. That’s how politics and freedom of speech work. If you’re not willing to stand up and defend what you believe why should anyone have to listen to you? I’m just saying…

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    • 35. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:48 am

      Yeah, I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve explained that freedom of speech does not equal freedom from criticism.

      Love,
      Fiona

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  • 36. Marius  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Hey guys=)
    First time writhing here
    Just wanted to say that Brian your my hero. Me andmy bf have loved you and the others blogs here, making it easy for us to fallow a case that is close too our harts.
    This last pice was funny and had me laughing a bit.
    From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU
    best regards
    Marius

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    • 37. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:48 am

      Welcome, Marius, and thank you for posting. I hope you will have the opportunity to share more with the group; we have become quite a little family here. There are some great stories under the “Courageous Conversations” and “Introduce Yourself” thread if you are interested and have the time.

      A lot of us sign our posts “love” because someone (David K, I think) noticed that none of the anti-equality arguments said anything about love. We share love here because that’s what it’s all about.

      Love from your straight ally,
      Fiona

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      • 38. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:54 am

        No, sorry, fiona64, it wasn’t me, but somebody else, I am sorry I don’t remember who.
        Love,
        David

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    • 39. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:55 am

      Welcome, Mario – we always enjoy having more people here!
      Love,
      David

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    • 40. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:01 am

      sup…Marius?… welcome into the fold!….<3…Ronnie

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    • 41. rpx  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:07 pm

      Marius, yes LOVE to you and your BF from
      Straight Grandmother
      please participate more

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  • 42. dieter  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Alexander McQueen was found dead today……

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    • 43. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:02 am

      WHAT?!

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      • 44. dieter  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:06 am

        he was only 40

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      • 45. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:10 am

        I just read it…he committed suicide….this is a shocker…He is really amazing designer…people have said that my designs are MqQueen meets Abercrombie and Fitch…..the world has lost a true artist…..Fashion week will never be the same..but his company will go on…..RIP….and my thoughts are with his family…..<3…..Ronnie

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  • 46. Ian  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:57 am

    I don’t really like the sarcastic tone of the commentary post-trial. Naturally this site isn’t “objective,” but snark feels incongruous juxtaposed with its original style.

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    • 47. Andrea  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:00 pm

      If Mr. Santorum had an opinion he wished to register with the Court, the Amicus application deadline was Feb. 3.

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    • 48. rpx  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:32 pm

      Maybe you are right about us becoming a bit snarky. See we don’t have the daily “rushes” of the trial live blog or transcripts to go over so we are kind of killing time while we wait. It’s hard to wait for the civil rights to marry the person of your choice to be decided by the judge. My daughter is not legally the parents of her own children. Her partner gave birth to twins using a fertility clinic and an anonymous sperm donor and in the state they live in my daughter cannot legally adopt the children, my grandchildren. Once SSM is legal according to their state law, married couples can adopt (but unmarried couples may not) and my daughter can finally become their legal parent and that will make me their LEGAL Grandma from France. You have no idea at all a mother’s love or a grandmothers love until you have been one. It is not something you can comprehend really, untill you have been there. Just as I will never know really what it is like to be GLBT. I can sorta know but I have never walked in your shoes so I will never truly know. This grandma wants legal recognition of her family and I may border on being a bit snarky in describing the roadblocks that prevent me from obtaining my goal. Please cut me a bit of slack.

      So yeah we are a bit bored and perhaps a bit snarky but way way much better then the filth and vile you read on the other side, so give us credit for that. I will say that if snarky is the worst we are, after a millennium of oppression that is not all that bad.

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  • 49. Denny  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:57 am

    I just looked him up on Wikipedia and it says
    “Santorum is currently considering a bid for president in 2012.”

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    • 50. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 8:59 am

      Oh joy – another one in the mix.
      Love,
      David

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    • 51. dieter  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:01 am

      great…with him and Palin as the two running for the GOP..we will for sure keep a democratic person in office…LOL

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      • 52. Joe  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:10 am

        Can I get an Amen up in here for that?? :-)

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      • 53. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:05 am

        Palin as president..thats laughable..they mother of a little debbie hoehoe can’t be prez…..what is the world coming too?

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      • 54. Mykelb  |  February 12, 2010 at 7:37 am

        Dont forget the Mormon Mitt Romney. He will have the NOM and LDS church money backing him up.

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  • 55. Seth  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:07 am

    First time poster, long time reader. What I would like to know is because this was a column put out on a newspaper publication (public forum), vs say the NOM website, could an OpEd or letter to the editor be submitted in response to that article or is this a super conservative newspaper with no hope of a real response run in it?

    I would love to see Brian or a local submit a clear, concise logical smackdown reply. =)

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    • 56. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:14 am

      I believe they could and I don’t know about their editorial policy, if someone else does, please let us know. I have also read the comments to his “Opinion piece” and see most of the comments oppose his views.
      Love, David

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    • 57. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:20 am

      Welcome, Seth – people with positive and affirming comments are always welcome here! Love, David

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    • 58. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:25 am

      Welcome, Seth!

      Love,
      Fiona

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  • 59. goerge  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Inquirer leans left. Editorial policy is pretty even handed, but usually more liberal than conservative. Letters can be submitted via internet at Philly.com under the Inquirer tab. You need to provide contact info so they can verify you permission to publish.

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  • 60. Kathleen  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Seth, I really don’t know anything about the Inquirer’s political leanings or editorial policy, but I would recommend that you consider the source when being assured by “goerge” that the paper leans left. If this really is the same “george” who’s been commenting here, it’s highly likely his/her definition of left-leaning is different than say… mine. My guess would be that s/he considers Fox News “fair and balanced.”

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    • 61. Lori  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:01 am

      Hi, actual Philadelphian here. I think the Inquirer would probably be just fine with a response letter. I’d say “goerge’s” description is pretty accurate.
      You can join the club. I’m sure you’re not the only one who’ll be writing a response.

      Love from a first time poster,
      Lori

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      • 62. rpx  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:35 pm

        Welcome Lori, please participate more. Not enough wimmin on this site ha-ha!

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  • 63. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 11, 2010 at 9:55 am

    They are inciting violence.

    The Prop 8 ‘extremists’ who continue these ‘hate the gay’ cycles WILL be CULPABLE if/when the next round violence against LGBT starts if Judge Walker does find for the plaintiff.

    These ‘extremists’ are spouting hatred and fear, making their blind followers think LGBT are evil enemies and terrorists who are out to take their very souls, ruin their children, etc.

    FYI, I don’t think all Prop 8 supporters believe the extreme rhetoric in this article and other articles of the like written of late. Some are good, healthy, moral people who simply believe in marriage between one man and one woman and don’t think LBGT are evil.

    I don’t see a good outcome for either side with this type of hatred.

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    • 64. Andrea  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:13 am

      Exactly, LLB. They admit they’re inciting violence, and with premeditation at that. They admit it every time they use the “fear of retribution” canard.

      “I put a Yes-on-8 sign in my yard for the first time, because I was mad and afraid about what had happened to my previous sign.”

      So what, they went back in time and warned themselves that the sign would get a violent reaction? And then put it out anyway, despite the warning from their future-selves? That’s an admission of intent to incite!

      Time travel does not exist, so that warning came from their own consciences. They are admitting foreknowledge.

      I noticed this when transcribing the “Stand Up for Prop 8” ad (PX 401). That ad is in three segments, the second of which (the “don’t be afraid” sequence) anticipates the the viewer’s conscience, and tries to equate it with forsaking Jesus. The constant barrage of having two speakers finish each other’s sentences is designed to make the individual viewer feel personally overwhelmed and “outvoted,” so he will ignore his conscience.

      That’s why I think the defense was so adamant about objecting to its admission. It shows, quite clearly, that the proponents knew that they were doing something in violation of conscience, and actively engaged in bait-and-switch tactics to work around this. Premeditated deception speaks to animus.

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    • 65. Frijondi  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:14 am

      Those “good, healthy, moral” Prop. 8 supporters you mention may not think we’re evil, but they most certainly think we’re less. They’re the ones who think being gay is an unfortunate disability like deafness, or, in the case of women, a sad little compromise made by beta-females who couldn’t get a man. (Probably because they’re not willing to give up their comfortable shoes.)

      I think that in the back of their minds, such people think they deserve a round of applause for being so tolerant, because they are willing to let us teach their children and to sit next to us in church. They think they’re going above the call of duty by being so nice — that they’re giving us something. My cynical view is that the ones who have gay relatives (not “gay friends”) are the mostly likely to come around, (eventually), to realizing that our relationships are equal to theirs, and that the ones who think of themselves as Tolerant(TM) are going to be easy pickings for the anti-gay extremists.

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  • 66. Brunhilda Spinelli  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:04 am

    One Of these Days the human race will evolve and stop being so petty ( i just hope its soon).

    Marriage is a civil Right and has nothing to do with Religion (if a couple so chooses to make it religious great for them).

    This thing has been blown out of proportion so much one could measures its waistline in likes of the national debt in this country.

    I’ve heard of this Anita B. Day throughout the Internet and to be honest this drag queen has said some really good stuff, but yeah i wouldn’t get in her way i hear drag heels are very sharp.

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    • 67. rpx  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:43 pm

      Have you posted here before? I don’t recognize oyu name. If not then a big welcome! Voices of reason and logic are always appreciated. If you ahve posted here before then please keep it up so that I can read more of what you think.
      Love
      Straight Grandmother

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  • 68. Bill  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Let’s not forget that we are dealing with people that do not appear smart enough to understand that if they want to stop getting punched, THEY SHOULD STOP PUNCHING PEOPLE.

    Um, duh.

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    • 69. Frijondi  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:25 am

      Remember elementary school? There are always certain kids who can be punched without consequences, because everyone (adults included) tacitly agree that they somehow bring it on themselves by being different in some way. But God help any of those kids when they finally get tired of being treated like a punching bag and defend themselves. All of the sudden, the school officials start talking about “zero tolerance” and come down on them like a ton of bricks. I’m pretty sure sure that’s where many on the far right learned to act like this.

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      • 70. Alan E.  |  February 11, 2010 at 1:48 pm

        I was one of those kids once. I’ve looked up a few of those that did it to me and they haven’t made much of their lives.

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      • 71. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 1:55 pm

        Like Alan, I was one of those kids.

        The most disturbing thing is that most of the bullies have little-to-no recollection of the things that they did to other kids, and what kind of harm that may have caused. They just went blithely along their way without concern.

        I guess I would just be so far beyond ashamed of myself if I behaved that way that it wouldn’t even be funny. :-( But then, I learned the hard way about compassion.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 72. RebeccaRGB  |  February 12, 2010 at 2:50 am

        Count me in as one of those kids, too. The injustice of it all still burns me up. When I have kids, I will pull them out of any school that still does that, because it’s absolutely ridiculous.

        Love,
        Rebecca

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      • 73. Tom B.  |  February 14, 2010 at 5:34 am

        I was one of the kids bullied in school nearly every day, and this was WAY, WAY before I knew I was gay.

        However, an interesting twist. I found one of the leaders of the group of bullies on Facebook and friended him so I could have a chance to speak with him. Here’s how the (rather short) conversation went – I think you’d be pleasantly surprised:

        Thomas Beals January 22 at 8:42pm
        Hey there Sean, long time no see. I was actually kinda surprised to see you pop up on my suggested friends list, but I really think it was something I wanted to happen. I’ve thought a lot about what happened so many years ago when we were younger, and I’ve sort of held a grudge against you and the others who treated me so badly before. But, despite all that, I just wanted to say I forgive you. Let’s bury the hatchet, let bygones be bygones, and at least be amicable to each other, if not the best of friends. Lemme know what you think.

        Sean DeVoe January 22 at 9:29pm
        tom u know what i read somethin the other day that made me sit back and really think about myself. it was somethin like “people wont remeber what u did, but they will always remember how u made them feel. the truth is that i was picked on alot 2 and i guess what i was doin was just takin the attention off myself and puttin the focus on u. i feel like a frigin asshole for the way i treated u and trust me karma is a bitch and my life hasn’t been so great over the past few years. so I just want to sincerely apollogize for everything i did. message me anytime ok

        Thomas Beals January 23 at 9:19pm
        Fair enough. That’s definitely something I’ve wanted to get off my chest for a while. And by the way, I congratulate you on your relationship and hope for the best for it! I’m in a relationship myself, we’ll see where it goes. That’s why I’m living up in Seattle now :)

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  • 74. Alan E.  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Reading the comments on the page, it seems as if our buddy george (goerge now) might be “George Tomezsko” on the comments section there.

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    • 75. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:33 am

      You are correct, Alan.

      Love,
      Fiona

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      • 76. Grelef  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:36 pm

        Fiona and Alan, please note that his publisher, Xlibris, is a self-publish vanity press.

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      • 77. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:39 pm

        Oh, I noticed that, Grelef … and remarked on it yesterday.

        Now, I don’t throw stones at self-published folks; I have plenty of friends who have written brilliant works and not been able to find a home with traditional publishers. I’m published in the UK by a small press and still haven’t found a US home for my novel. I self-published my memoir as an eBook at the same place that I did the eBook edition of the novel.

        However, it does seem that self-publishing becomes the home for a whole lot of *cranks* on the non-fiction side of the house. :-/

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 78. Grelef  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:48 pm

        Fiona, my observation would that the publications do not necessarily make him an authority on history, sociology and government. I am not an authority on those subjects, and yet I could publish my opinions with Xlibris. ;-)

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    • 79. Alan E.  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:40 am

      I wonder if he is the same person as the author http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=George+Tomezsko&x=0&y=0

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      • 80. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:47 am

        That also appears to be the case. Subject matter is extremely conservative, and focuses not only on economics but also on government management of “morals and manners.”

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 81. Grelef  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:38 pm

        Replacing this remark:

        Fiona and Alan, please note that his publisher, Xlibris, is a self-publish vanity press.

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  • 82. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Hey, everyone. Appropos of nothing, I just wanted to share that I am feeling really good today. I received another great and glowing review of my novel, and a particularly nice e-mail from the person who reviewed it. It is nice to be recognized for your hard work, you know?

    So, with that, I want to once again thank Brian, Julia, Rick and everyone at the Courage Campaign for their hard work on this site, the many matters in which they are involved. My hat is really off to everyone who works so hard on equality issues. We *shall* overcome, friends.

    Love,
    Fiona

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    • 83. Alan E.  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:42 am

      Except for the cold that my husband gave me *shakes fist* I feel pretty good too! Congratulations on the great review =)

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    • 84. Dave T  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:48 am

      How ’bout a link to your novel on Amazon? Or even just to the review?

      I think I speak for many people here when I say I’ve enjoyed your intelligent & witty comments on the forums & would like to learn a little more about you :-)

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      • 85. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:06 am

        Dear Dave T.:

        Thank you for your very kind words. :-)

        http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6591064-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder

        My publisher is having ongoing problems with Amazon; it keeps insisting the book is out of print, even though it isn’t. We think it has to do with the UK ISBN number (yep, I’m still looking for a domestic publisher, LOL). The good news is that you can get an eBook copy via Smashwords, since my publishing contract allowed for that. If you want a paperback copy, order it directly from the publisher … and PM me on Goodreads with your snail mail. I’ll send you a signed bookplate.

        Love,
        Fiona

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  • 86. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 11, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Prop. 8 Defenders Say Plaintiffs Attacked ‘Orthodox Religious Beliefs’

    “Brian Raum, the head of marriage litigation for the Alliance Defense Fund, has accused the plaintiffs and their lead lawyers, David Boies and Ted Olson, of unfairly attacking religion. ”

    Boies stated that it was the defenses side who brought in religion, not us.

    Boies said (in response): “We’ve always said that we recognize that there are people who have genuine religious beliefs that from a theological standpoint dictate that marriage should be between and a woman. The First Amendment guarantees people that freedom of voice. We’d never try to burden that or diminish that or try to interfere with those religious beliefs. What we have insisted upon is the other half of the First Amendment, the Establishment Clause, which says that a majority is not entitled to impose its religious beliefs on a minority.”

    I find the last paragraph of the story most interesting:

    “…Raum’s missive to us is an interesting and provocative attempt, it seems, to change the terms of the debate — to make the case not about oppressed gays and lesbians, but a different oppressed group — that of religious believers.”

    http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/02/10/prop-8-defenders-accuse-plaintiffs-of-attacking-orthodox-religious-beliefs/

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    • 87. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:04 am

      In the Bible God’s faithful are supposed to have their enemies subdued….not the other way around!

      Somewhat on topic, for those who want a well rounded look at religion, I would recommend Evolution of God. Very interesting read. Especially for the amateur theologist.

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    • 88. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:04 am

      Meanwhile, Raum et al. are arguing against civil recognition of same-sex marriages performed by certain religions. Oh, the irony!

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    • 89. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:17 am

      “the other half of the First Amendment, the Establishment Clause, which says that a majority is not entitled to impose its religious beliefs on a minority.”

      Ding ding ding…right on the nose….basically the prop ha8ters say they are aloud to discriminate against us but when we do it that’s a no no…..yeah ok….i think about that…NOT!!!!

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    • 90. David Kimble  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:41 am

      I was wondering when they were going to start playing the “Martyr” (well even more than they have already).
      Love, David

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  • 91. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:13 am

    BTW I am wondering if anyone else brings up this stuff at work or in other social venues. Most of the medical professionals I talk with have no idea Prop 8 even happened. (I do live in Pisgah National Forest I must admit.)
    I was really suprised how many of them had no idea but said without prompting or soliciting that they thought it was a stupid law and would not have voted for it. (I never asked, I didn’t care to know at the time.)

    Most frequent comment was, why should I care? What business is it of mine? And when told that the argument of the defense was to protect marriage most laughed saying that they didn’t need anyone else getting involved in THEIR marriage whether they thought they were protecting [my colleagues] marriages or not.
    At of all of them only one said she didn’t believe in it but that she wasn’t going to get herself all worked up to go to the polls over it. (She has treated me different ever since but she is still respectable and polite.)

    Just curious if anyone else had similar responses.

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    • 92. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:25 am

      My mother talks about it at work (a catholic hospital) and it has been received positively….the funniest thing though is that here in NJ….civil unions are legal and this hospital employs many LGBT people but do not offer them insurance for their partners…do not allow partners to see each other,,,My mother will not let them deny visitation when she is working but what they do is totally illegal because it is a gov. funded hospital…..My mom slapped a nurse once because she wouldn’t let a man see his partner who was dying….My mother is FIERCE!!!!

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      • 93. Frijondi  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:57 am

        Your mother’s a hero.

        I never thought about the possibility of ending up in a Catholic hospital, through no choice of my own, until it happened to a close relative.

        Said relative was transferred to this hospital for purely medical reasons — it’s where the care she needed was available. Even if religion had been a major issue, it would not have been wise — probably not even possible — for her to go anywhere else. Since she was not gay, visitation issues did not come up, but it got me thinking about how I might fare in a similar situation.

        I wish more straight people would think about the fact that any gay person who’s just been hit by a bus or had a heart attack can wind up in a hospital where their spouse will be kept away from them due to religious prejudice.

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    • 94. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:29 am

      I have discussed it with colleagues, yes … and primarily got the same responses you did. One person respectfully explained why his opinion differed from mine; we didn’t change each other’s mind, but we understood where the other came from. My relationship with that colleague has not changed in the slightest. He is a very religious gentleman, and actually one of the kindest and most patient people I have ever met. I can disagree without being disagreeable (well, with most people, LOL), and that has been the case on this specific issue.

      Love,
      Fiona

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    • 95. Kathleen  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:34 am

      While in NJ recently, I was speaking to a lawyer friend of mine who didn’t know the trial was happening, but also thought the whole thing was absurd. She was stunned when Prop 8 passed, but thought for sure that if it was put to a vote again, it wouldn’t pass a second time. I had to point to polls that showed that, while opposition to ss marriage was diminishing, it was far from a sure thing that such a prop would be defeated in an election held today.

      When I questioned her further, it became clear that she assumed there was far more broad legal protection for glbt people than there actually is. Remember, this is an attorney! I pointed out that it was only quite recently that sodomy laws had been struck down by the SC. She was quite certain that couldn’t be true, because she was in law school in ’95 and just *knew* that they were no longer valid by then. I told her that, ‘No, I graduated law school in ’95 and at that time, Bowers v Hardwick was the law of the land. I had to actually pull up case law to convince her.

      I think part of the reason Prop 8 got a majority of the vote was that people who don’t *oppose* glbt rights, but who don’t necessarily feel strongly about *protecting* those rights didn’t bother to make it to the polls. I also think many people underestimated the degree of organization of the religious right and just how many people there are out there who are willing to believe the crazy propaganda disseminated by them.

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      • 96. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:02 pm

        Hey Thank you Ronnie, Fiona, Kathleen and any other future respondants.

        I am glad to see that I am not the only one. I didn’t want to drag the post on like I usually do but there was one other interesting incident. Two other nurses and the elder we were working with were all interested to have me explain RuPaul’s Drag Race which happened to be on. Particularly I had to clearly explain the differences among, Drag Queen performers, heterosexual transvestal fetishism, transgendered, transsexual, intersexed and just plain ol’ gay dudes. I was well received. The most shocking part to one individual was the thought that straight men would want to perform…just at that moment the guy on RP’s DR talked about having a child.

        So for that, I have to thank Kathleen in particular for taking the time to point out case law to someone who otherwise would have thought the issue was not important and just further ‘gay whining’.

        In a way, the polls tell me that only people interested in the subject voted. Which means the rest probably didn’t think it a big deal. If Walker and ultimately the other courts vote to allow gays to marry the likely hood is that there really will be little interest by the ‘majority’ in listening to any whining by the protesting ‘minority’.

        Anyway, anyone else reading, please keep responding. Comments like these elevate my spirits and show us all that people really do care!

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      • 97. Frijondi  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:10 pm

        A surprising number of GAY people don’t realize how few protections they have, or the ways in which their domestic partnerships are not the legal equivalent of marriage.

        I’m sure this is partly because it’s not pleasant to think about, or because we’re just so used to being graaaaaateful for whatever crumbs we’re thrown.

        Some of it’s also due to the fact that the inequalities aren’t necessarily obvious until you’re directly affected by them, say, on you’re tax return, or trying to see your partner in the hospital in Virginia (you were just passing through on you’re way to Vermont, but then one of you got hit by a bus in front of a statue of Thomas Jefferson). Not everybody gets hit full in the face with these problems — can’t tell you how many people in DP’s I’ve talked to who have no idea how badly they IRS can screw them, because it hasn’t happened to them yet.

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      • 98. Jim Keller  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:11 pm

        Kathleen,

        In defense of your attorney friend in NJ, the state supreme court there struck down sodomy laws in (I believe) the 1960s, and held that a different age of consent for same-sex relations was unconstitutional in the 1970s, so from a state law point of view, she was correct. It’s easy to conflate state and Federal law.

        I think that’s part of how Prop 8 passed here. Since California has relatively strong protections for TBGL individuals, those who aren’t well informed can easily be led to believe that we already have equal rights, and hence those who don’t understand the ongoing fight for equality were swayed by the “protect the traditional definition” arguments. Those are the folks we have to work on educating, as the true haters will most likely never come around.

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      • 99. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:15 pm

        Well this seems a good place to add this is,,,maybe you can use this Felyx:

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      • 100. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:22 pm

        Actually I referenced ‘Priscilla’ of which is the movie both had seen. In it one of the performers was married (or had been married) and had a boy. I believe the man on which the movie was based was actually straight.

        (Feel free to clarify if necessary.)

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      • 101. Kathleen  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:23 pm

        Jim, I’m sure you’re right. I think a lot of people who live in more progressive states or are surrounded by a more enlightened circle of friends aren’t aware of how few protections there are in the country as a whole. And some of the lack of awareness is the result of the point made by Frijondi. Unless the issue impacts you directly, you’re not likely to have it on your radar.

        I think that’s why it behooves us all to bring the reality of the lack of civil rights onto the radar of people who *do* care.

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      • 102. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:26 pm

        LoL….”Priscilla” is a good movie too

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      • 103. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:35 pm

        Controversial subject to be sure but….

        I have always been concerned over Meghan’s law (I think that is the one.)

        Not all sex offenders are pedophiles or rapists but the restrictions put on them when they have to register are very harsh.
        I saw a documentary recently where many of them were living under a bridge in Florida because that was the only place they could legally live.
        There has got to be a better way. If that could happen to some guy who was running around naked high and had no intention of raping a minor, or a woman who was taking a bath with her lesbian partners female child (not a crime as far as I know) then what is to say it isn’t being misused on way too many others.
        A related story I heard was about two minor boys trading a pic of ones minor girlfriend. He was convicted of possession and distribution of child porn.

        These are not necessarily gay related issues but it goes to show how issues ‘not on our radar’ can get very hairy and very serious way too quickly.

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      • 104. Kathleen  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:49 pm

        Because I mentioned graduating law school, thought I should make it clear that I’m not an attorney. During my final year in law school (UCLA), I became ill. And though I managed to graduate, I never sat for the bar and have never practiced law. Just wanted to make sure I didn’t create a false impression.

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      • 105. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 1:32 pm

        RE: Previous post on Megan’s Law

        I thought this was a good article regarding such an ineffective law.

        http://www.lacriminaldefenseblog.com/megans-law-protecting-children-from-sexual-predators/

        Something to keep on your radar.

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      • 106. Alan E.  |  February 11, 2010 at 1:53 pm

        Thanks Ronnie. I love Too Wong Foo =)

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      • 107. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 1:59 pm

        you’re weicome.<3….Ronnie

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    • 108. Andrea  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:35 am

      Do you enjoy
      1) having full contract rights as a legal adult, or
      2) being a perpetual minor, a ward of the state requiring government permission to engage in contract?

      Do you want to / did you
      1) marry the person of your choice, or
      2) select from a list of arranged-marriage candidates chosen for you by a plurality of complete strangers?

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  • 109. Jim Keller  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    I read somewhere recently that a continual desire to have others pity you is a common manifestation of a sociopathic personality. Explains a lot about these victimizer-as-victim claims, doesn’t it?

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  • 110. Kathleen  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    For anyone who’s interested, Mr HCI is at the facebook site. I’m glad he found his way there. I miss his contributions here.

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    • 111. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:37 pm

      Hooray! I will look for him there.

      Love,
      Fiona

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  • 112. dieter  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    The problem with republicans and Christians, is that they watch the “Flintstones”, as if it were a documentary!!!!

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    • 113. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:24 pm

      And yet like every bigot they only see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear and apparently they do not hear the end of “The Flintstones” theme song:

      “Have a Gay old time!”………hehehe…..<3…Ronnie

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    • 114. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:26 pm

      This strikes me as particularly funny as ‘Yabba Dabba Do’ was code for meet me in the boy’s room!!!

      (it was to smoke a joint and Scooby Doobie Do had become too obvious.)

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  • 115. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    This is a very well written, thought out article. I applaud the writer, Jodi Jacobson.

    Hate Crimes Laws: A Conspiracy to “Eradicate” the Christian Right?

    “…protecting the rights of one group of Americans abrogates their own rights, so we should just keep looking the other way as people are strung up on ranch fences for the “crime” of being gay? And by the way, let’s just forget that the hate speech about homosexuality spewed by these religious organizations contributes to the problem in the first place.

    Maybe their religious principles lead them to believe they get to determine who is in fact a human being deserving of basic human rights?”

    http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/node/12551

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    • 116. Ed-M  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:57 pm

      “Maybe their religious principles lead them to believe they get to determine who is in fact a human being deserving of basic human rights?”

      EXACTLY what they believe, LLB! They always say “love the sinner but hate the sin” but since even they know deep down inside that our “sin” is utterly inseparable from our very being they could be subcnsciously thinking that we’re illegal aliens from “down there” in human form!

      And by “down there” I don’t mean Mexico or any other country that’s south of the United States.

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  • 117. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Has Santorum forgotten about te extortion letter mailed out by Protect Marriage to tose who contributed to the No on 8 campaign? I think this is another one of those times where the pot is calling the kettle black. He may want to watch out, the kettle is about to boil over and vent all of its steam!

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    • 118. Felyx  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:41 pm

      Don’t be silly, it is ok to pillage, kill, destroy, rape, enslave, force your daughters to submit to strange men and to expose evil-doers….just so long as it is done in the name of God. (His God not yours.)

      Extortion, really if you think about it, is not that bad at all.

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  • 119. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Sweet!…. here is a video/poem by Staceyann Chin…she escaped to America(specifically NYC) from Jamaica after being raped by a dozen boys for being a Lesbian…she is a Fiercely passionate woman:

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    • 120. rpx  |  February 11, 2010 at 1:03 pm

      Ronnie, that was a really good video. Doncha just love those Jamacian accents?

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      • 121. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 1:11 pm

        Yes….I was at the national equality march in D.C. and to hear her live, well video does not do her justice….she is amazing….and the strength that projects from her is awe inspiring….That is why I wish that the bigots would get over themselves…so what if you have been called a bigot and had some signs ripped….when you are raped by 12 men/boys for being straight and/or christian or what have you then maybe you will have the right to shout out victim..until them STFU!!!!!…..and grow up!!!!

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      • 122. fiona64  |  February 11, 2010 at 1:21 pm

        Ronnie, I found an article about the lesbian who was gang-raped in San Francisco a couple of days after Prop 8 passed. :-(

        http://www.lacriminaldefenseblog.com/lesbian-rape-called-hate-crime-by-police/

        It amazes me that these so-called experts were afraid to testify about their “righteous” beliefs … and that they are apparently blind to what happens to LGBT people every single day.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 123. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 1:35 pm

        You’re right fiona…and apparently it wasn’t their first or second offense…those experts know nothing about fear….they are cowards…the witnesses for the plaintiffs and the two couples have more to be afraid of then them…but their not hiding….we are not hiding….we are right out in the open….an we are not going anywhere……anyone who thinks different is just fooling themselves….yeah?

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  • 124. Linda  |  February 11, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    I think my main frustration is that their lies are printed as fact; while our truths are known only to us.

    Is there any way for our side to get some press?

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  • 125. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 11, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    They are so “scared” to be seen on YouTube, even though so many of them already have YouTube vids. Talk about hypocritical. And yet, I am part of a group that has REAL reasons to be afraid, and I am hoping that truthspew or someone else can help me get my picture posted here, beside my comments. That way, it will be on more than just FB.

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    • 126. truthspew  |  February 11, 2010 at 2:31 pm

      It’s a wordpress based system so you can either upload them into the wordpress side, or host them on flickr and link them into WordPress. Pretty easy.

      Reply
    • 127. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 11, 2010 at 2:50 pm

      Or you can just use http://en.gravatar.com/

      It’s easy, just create a free account, upload it and in any wordpress, etc. when you use your email, it will show up.

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  • 128. Carolyn  |  February 11, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Well, this is minor harrassment to report — but the ONLY time in my life I have EVER had anything of mine vandalized, I had the “No on Proposition 8” bumpersticker on my car ripped off in a large, open public parking lot in the middle of the day when the trial began.

    So… ya know… they can whinewhinewhine, but we all know the people who get the majority of the H8 out there, and it’s not the Yes on 8 folks…

    BTW, just for the record, although I have passed many “Yes on Proposition 8” bumper stickers in crowded parking lots… I have not yet ripped one off. Nor do I intend to.

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    • 129. JQ  |  February 11, 2010 at 11:58 pm

      I’ve always been tempted to cover up bumper stickers I disagree with with bumper stickers I support.

      But I’ve never actually gone through with it. I am capable of reigning in those base temptations and respecting a person’s right to share their opinions.

      Love,

      Jacqui

      (first post. there may be more!)

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      • 130. fiona64  |  February 12, 2010 at 8:41 am

        Welcome, Jacqui!

        Love,
        Fiona

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  • 131. dieter  |  February 11, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    woohooo..on the phone right now with Dan Choi, and gillibrand.

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    • 132. Ronnie  |  February 11, 2010 at 6:13 pm

      cr@p…I totally forgot about that….i didn’t reply to that email because i was going to see west side story on broadway tonight but we chose not too….they will probably post about it 2morro

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  • 133. Mykelb  |  February 12, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Has anyone written an OP-ED to refute his harassment allegations of the witnesses?

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  • 134. Regan DuCasse  |  February 12, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Could Andrew Pugno, who signed that blackmail letter and is defending Prop. 8 in court, be sanctioned somehow or this letter entered as evidence in court that such activity went on in advance of the Nov. 4 vote?

    Unbelievable. It’s right there in black and white how far reaching their defamation and political action, for financial gain!

    And there is YET to be definitive evidence that the anti Prop. 8 side did any harassing or anything enough to warrant their lack of showing up for court.

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  • 135. CarpoolKathleen  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    The extra dose of hypocracy here is the Bible tells Christians to WELCOME their own persecution. It supposedly glorifies God. (1 Peter 4:14)

    So just HOW Christian is relucant witness Dr. Hak-Shing William “Bill” Tam if he wanted to pull out of the whole thing because he got a suspicious flat tire, and some hate mail?

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  • 136. CarpoolKathleen  |  February 15, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    These are the other Biblical scriptures glorifying Christian persecution…should anyone want to quote them elsewhere:

    Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

    You may also like:

    Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

    Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

    Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.

    Romans 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

    1 Corinthians 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:

    HAVE FUN :)

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