Being Thankful on St. Valentine’s Day

February 14, 2010 at 11:59 am 164 comments

by Brian Leubitz

In September 0f 2008, I became one of the 18,000. My husband and I were married by Senator Mark Leno, and if I can say so myself, it was THE picnic event of the mid-September time period in all of the western portion of Berkeley’s Tilden Park.  And, despite everything that’s happened since, or that will happen, I am thankful for that.  And whomever chooses to recognize or ignore my relationship, I know I can live in peace.

That is not true everywhere. In nations across the globe, it can be dangerous to even be a closeted member of the LGBT community, let alone out and proud.  This hit home in a New York Times story:

Tiwonge Chimbalanga looked like a man but said he was a woman. He helped with the cooking and dressed in feminine wraparound skirts. Steven Monjeza was a quiet, sullen man often intoxicated on sorghum beer. He said he had never been happy until he finally met the right companion.

The two celebrated their engagement — their chinkhoswe, in the Chichewa language — with a party at a lodge here in Malawi’s commercial capital. It began cheerfully enough. But later, gawkers pushed their way inside, some shouting taunts, others just staring through despising eyes. Then the electricity failed. The band stopped playing, and the bride collapsed in tears.

Someone had tipped off a newspaper, The Nation, for this betrothal was extraordinary in a conservative African nation. The resulting front-page story began with the phrase “gay lovebirds,” adding that the chinkhoswe was “the first recorded public activity for homosexuals in the country.” Readers were reminded that homosexuality carried a sentence of 5 to 14 years in prison.

Two days later, on Dec. 28, the couple was arrested on charges of unnatural acts and gross indecency, and they have been in jail since, denied bail ostensibly to keep them safe.

Of course, Malawi is hardly the only instance of this. There’s the anti-gay law in Uganda, and the stories in Iran. Heck, even in America, the Matthew Shephard story was not that long ago.

In many ways, we here in California are very fortunate. We have a long way to go, but sometimes, it’s worth noting the long way we have come.

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  • 1. Vaati  |  February 14, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Happy Valentine’s Day everybody!

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  • 2. Alan E.  |  February 14, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    I think about how lucky I am not just in this country, but this decade. It wasn’t too long ago that I wouldn’t have been able to openly celebrate my love for my husband in these United States. I also like to hope that generations in the future will be even luckier to take their marriages for granted.

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    • 3. David Kimble  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:56 pm

      I don’t like taking anything for granted. I hope that when the day comes in America that all of us can marry and celebrate their love in marriage and afforded equal rights, that day will be rembered in history long after we are all gone. Love, David

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  • 4. dieter  |  February 14, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Gay Providence Mayor Runs for Congress
    By Julie Bolcer
    David Cicillinex180 (Providence) | Advocate.com

    David Cicilline, the gay mayor of Providence, Rhode Island, announced Saturday that he will run for the congressional seat to be vacated by Rep. Patrick Kennedy.

    According to GayPolitics.com, intense competition is expected to surround the race for the Democratic nomination.

    ”The two-term mayor began to consider running after U.S. Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-R.I.) shocked political observers by announcing he would not run for reelection this year,” reports GayPolitics.com. “Kennedy, son of the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, was first elected to the seat in 1994. Cicilline will face state Democratic Party Chair William Lynch, who also announced his candidacy, and could face a number of other contenders.”

    Cicilline, 49, was elected mayor in 2002. He would become the fourth openly gay member of the U.S. House of Representatives, if elected to the seat.

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  • 5. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 14, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    It is so sad to realize their are people all over the world who feel “their Kiind” have an exclusive right to loving, committed relationships, even to the point of killing “the other”.

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  • 6. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 14, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Happy Valentine’s Day to all.

    The fight in California is a wake up call of the rest of us in other states whose fight seemed to go nowhere. One day every GLBT will be able to marry the person he or she loves.

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  • 7. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Happy Singles Awareness Day!!!!!…I am making something special for everybody so be patient as I try to make it perfect…….<3…Ronnie

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    • 8. David Kimble  |  February 14, 2010 at 12:51 pm

      Hello, Ronnie, I’m back. Love, David

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  • 9. Felyx  |  February 14, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Brian,

    Is there anyone associate with Courage Campaign who can write an elucidating article about what is going on in Washington DC. I have reiterated what I have heard and read but would love to see an article that can go beyond my conjectures. I would love to know what ramifications the DC Marriage Amendment will have beyond the district itself. Does it in essence defy DOMA as I have postulated?

    We do indeed have more for which to be thankful. We do indeed have farther to go. DADT and Prop 8 are wonderful and I would love to hear more about what other legal events are taking shape in our country.

    Love,
    Felyx

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  • 10. Marius  |  February 14, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Happy valentines day!
    Though I have to say this is probubly one of the hardest days of the year for me. You see me and my longtile bf are a bi-national couple, whitch means that at the moment were not onely in different contreys, but on different continets. I love him whit all of my heart I, but laws, and language barieres makes it a hard relationship to maintain. What helps me through it is the certainty that we at one point will find a way to stay together forever…
    Love you baby

    Love to you all
    Marius

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    • 11. GAYGUY  |  February 14, 2010 at 12:47 pm

      I am about to be in the same situation…the man love is in South America and will be coming to Ca. in May/June! We are hoping to get him employed and sponsored by a company until we can actually marry and immigrate him here! My trainer is also dealing with this issue. It is amazing to me that opposite couples can do this without even a thought, but we have to plan and work our asses off just to be with one we LOVE!!! Happy Valentines Day to all!!
      Guy

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      • 12. Marius  |  February 14, 2010 at 12:58 pm

        Good luck too you Guy
        The situation sucks. Not being abe to sponsor your partner just caus of your sexsualety is not something i would whish on anyone. The pain off sepuration is horrid.
        Im crossing my fingers for you

        Love Marius

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      • 13. David Kimble  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:50 pm

        All of this points to more reasons why the laws must be changed. We need to make our voice heard. Happy Valentine’s Day to all my friends here at prop8 trial tracker, too! Love, David

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      • 14. GAYGUY  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:15 am

        Thanks for the well wishes Marius…I am keeping my fingers crossed and just hope that the laws will change some time during MY lifetime!!
        I just don’t understand how these people against US don’t get that the funds they use to STOP US from loving could be spent in so many other places that actually do what their bible says…HELP PEOPLE!!

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      • 15. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:19 am

        You know, if someone could find a video or the lyrics to Rod Stewart’s “Young Hearts Be Free Tonight,” I think that is an appropriate song for us, because it does remind us that “Time is on your side!” as well as reminding us not tolet other people put us down or push us around.
        This is a not so subtle hint from dopty-dady to Ronnie!
        ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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      • 16. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:27 am

        No not subtle at all….hehehe….<3..Ronnie:

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    • 17. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:28 am

      Richard, the name of the song is “Young Turks.” It’s one of my favorite Rod Stewart songs, in fact …

      Young Turks (Stewart/Appice/Savigar)

      Billy left his home with a dollar in his pocket and a head full of dreams.
      He said somehow, some way, it’s gotta get better than this.
      Patti packed her bags, left a note for her momma, she was just seventeen,
      there were tears in her eyes when she kissed her little sister goodbye.

      They held each other tight as they drove on through the night they were so excited.
      We got just one shot of life, let’s take it while we’re still not afraid.
      Because life is so brief and time is a thief when you’re undecided.
      And like a fistful of sand, it can slip right through your hands.

      Young hearts be free tonight. Time is on your side,
      Don’t let them put you down, don’t let ’em push you around,
      don’t let ’em ever change your point of view.

      Paradise was closed so they headed for the coast in a blissful mood.
      They took a two-room apartment that was jumping ev’ry night of the week.
      Happiness was found in each other’s arms as expected, yeah
      Billy pierced his ears, drove a pickup like a lunatic, ooh!

      Young hearts be free tonight.Time is on your side,
      Don’t let them put you down, don’t let ’em push you around,
      don’t let ’em ever change your point of view.

      [instrumental verse]

      Young hearts be free tonight.Time is on your side.

      Billy wrote a letter back home to Patti’s parents tryin’ to explain.
      He said we’re both real sorry that it had to turn out this way.
      But there ain’t no point in talking when there’s nobody list’ning so we just ran away
      Patti gave birth to a ten pound baby boy, yeah!

      Young hearts be free tonight, time is on your side.
      Young hearts be free tonight, time is on your side.
      Young hearts be free tonight, time in on your side.

      Young hearts gotta run free, be free, live free
      Time is on, time is on your side
      Time, time, time, time is on your side
      is on your side
      is on your side
      is on your side
      Young heart be free tonight
      tonight, tonight, tonight, tonight, tonight, yeah

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      • 18. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:29 am

        haha…Fiona64…I beat you to it do it…..<3…Ronnie

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      • 19. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:36 am

        Only because I can’t get YouTube where I am right now.

        :-P

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 20. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:49 am

        Lol…I am so happy I work from home…I make my own hours however when I try to reprimand myself for doing a bad job are nothing at all….the conversation is very awkward….hehehe…<3…Ronnie

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      • 21. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:20 pm

        Fiona and Ronnie, Thank you both so much. I am listening to “Young Turks” as I type this. See, someone tried to stop Billy and Patty frmcelebrating their love, but they did not let anyone stop them. The message is the same for us. Do NOT give up the fight–not today, not tomorrow, not ever! Let us join together and fight as one until we have full equality and are allowed to celebrate our love without fear of being beaten to death or roasted alive. For myself, I will be fighting not only for myself and my husband, but also for the memory of a friend of mine from school who was brutally murdered for being gay. He was stabbed and slashed repeatedly, and even had defensive wounds from the struggle. The three who murdered him also stole his wallet and set his car on fire. They were arrested when one of them went to Doug’s bank and tried to cash a check on the account (he went to the branch Doug had opened the account at, and to the very banker who had opened the account for Doug) while one went to JCPenney and tried to use Doug’s JCPenney card, and the third tried to use Doug’s Sears card. IN the trial, they admitted they killed Doug for being gay, but stole his wallet and torched his car to make it appear to be a robbery gone bad. They are all three serving life in prison without parole, but not because of it being listed as a hate crime. This happened long before hate crimes laws. So I am also fighting in memory of Doug McClure, who was only 21 when he was murdered for being gay. And Rod Stewart was one of Doug’s favorite musical artists. So thank you both for bringing back a dear friend for a few minutes.

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      • 22. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:26 pm

        You’re welcome….I’m sorry to hear about you’re friend when this fight is over people like that will get more then life I would rather my tax money go to the death penalty then it feeding them 3 meals a day and what not…..<3…Ronnie

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  • 23. Larry Little  |  February 14, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    It was Indianapolis, Indiana where two policemen were peeking through the curtains at a private home where two gay people shared the rent. They were observed having illegal sex. They were arrested and given 2 to fourteen years in prison.
    I read about this in the Danville, Illinois Commercial newspaper before I arrived at my own puberty so I was ignorant about what was even done having absolutely no sex education up to that time.
    I was scared because my neighbor told me if I ever touched myself God would burn me in a lake of fire and I had a whole lot of confusion going on because I was pretty dumb about all of it.
    It sure changed my viewpoint of the police and their protect and serve function just went out the window.

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    • 24. David Kimble  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:26 pm

      Thank you, Larry and unless I am wrong (I dunno I sometimes am) – wasn’t there a case similar in Texas about the very same issue a few years back?

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      • 25. Alan E.  |  February 14, 2010 at 3:05 pm

        David, that was Lawrence v. Texas.

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  • 26. k  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Happy Valentines Day, everyone. I want to thank Lesbians Love Boies for recommending “The Bible Told Me So” last week. I saw it on YouTube this weekend. Great film!

    Love,
    Kaye

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    • 27. JQ  |  February 14, 2010 at 10:46 pm

      That film is AMAZING! I’ve recommended it to all of my friends and I’m trying to find a casual way to get my more conservative family members to watch… ideas?

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      • 28. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:22 pm

        Yes. Burn all of it onto a DVD and just put it in their DVD player and turn it on.

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      • 29. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:24 pm

        It’s on Netflix, so if you use that service just put it at the top of your list and ask your family members to please do you the favor of watching it along with you.

        Love,
        Fiona

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  • 30. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Ok so never mind I tried to make a video and upload it to youtube but it didn’t work but I found the song on youtube so here it is…..I want to dedicate this song to all of my LGBTQQI brothers and sisters and all of our Straight Allies…..<3….Ronnie:

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    • 31. cc  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:44 pm

      Thank You Ronnie.
      Happy Valentine’s Day to you too!

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      • 32. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:20 pm

        welcome….<3…Ronnie

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    • 33. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:42 am

      Thanks, Ronnie. Because of you, I finally know the name of the band. I have heard this one on the radio, but you know that the DJ’s have gotten out of the habit of announcing the songs and artists these days. Now that I know the name of the band, I know how to find their music.♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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      • 34. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:46 am

        You’re welcome….<3…Ronnie

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  • 35. alexander  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Thankful ?!

    Yes – that I live the man I love and have wonderful kids.

    Thankful that another country recognized our family and accepted us with open arms

    But the cruelty of our immigration laws in keeping my family and I in exile ….have the same effect than those laws in Uganda and Malawi…the message is the same : “your family is second-rate with lesser rights”

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  • 36. David Kimble  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Many thanx, Ronnie – they are one of my favorite bands.
    Love, David

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    • 37. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:38 pm

      You’re welcome….I wasn’t sure if anybody knew about them because they are not main stream….<3…Ronnie

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  • 38. David Kimble  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    BTW – our encounter with Kay Moore this morning made go into the dry heaves and it took me until, just a little while ago to get rid of them. Phenagren is my friend. Love, David

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    • 39. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:40 pm

      Ok…lol….I prefer Ginger Ale…preferably with some vodka…..mmmmm…….hehehe…<3…Ronnie

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      • 40. David Kimble  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:47 pm

        Yeah, I do too, but alas, the vodka is all gone! Phenagren is a suppository for nausea, in case anyone doesn’t know.
        Love, David

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    • 41. dieter  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:25 pm

      Hey now..leave Kay alone. I mean she must be very talented. It takes a lot of skill to type with your head up your butt…LOL

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      • 42. Felyx  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:44 pm

        Not to mention those webbed feet!

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    • 43. fiona64  |  February 14, 2010 at 4:35 pm

      Oh, David. That woman is just not worth that kind of pain. She’s a pathetic loser.

      Love,
      Fiona

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      • 44. Linda  |  February 14, 2010 at 5:22 pm

        Fiona…
        Do you have any idea how much your support is valued by all of us? I so appreciate the numerous occasions when you have stepped up and taken on our oponents. We all know that Kay Moore is pathetic and a loser. But her words are hurtful. And I think it’s because she is so flippant. This is just play for her. None of it really matters. It’s just argument for the sake of arguing. Obviously there’s no reasoning with her; she bases all her arguments on a faulty premise–that we CHOSE to be gay. It doesn’t matter that those of us who are gay insist that we did NOT choose; she knows better. And so she uses her ‘superior’ knowledge to belittle and bully us time and time again. It means nothing to her, really; she just enjoys getting us riled up. And that is the worst insult of all, I think. Because she is belittling our very lives. This is far from humorous for us. We are living this nightmare day after day. There are very few places we can go and enjoy the acceptance and cameraderie that we have found here. And I greatly resent her being allowed to intrude on us. This is our place; our home. We should not have to endure persecution here.

        Thank you for always having our backs, Fiona.

        Love,
        Linda

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      • 45. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 14, 2010 at 9:23 pm

        Sorry it is so late, sis, but I hope you and Jeff had a GREAT Valentine’s Day.

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      • 46. Kay Moore  |  February 14, 2010 at 11:15 pm

        Of course it’s play for me, Linda. There have been precisely two people who’ve bothered to be serious when expressing their disagreement and coincidentally, both have been treated with the utmost seriousness. When the person using the name K-Y asked some questions, he got a serious reply… and then was treated unseriously when he descending into ranting in the absence of fact. People get the treatment from me that they ask for and when they ask to be treated like children jamming their fingers in their ears and yelling “NAH-NAH-NAH”, I am happy to oblige. I’m not going away because what I actually end up saying bellies what I’m represented as saying and so long as that is the case, I have no incentive to wander off to boards and forums where I have to worry about a challenge. Imaginary statements notwithstanding, I haven’t actually said anything that a literate observer could construe as “hate”–or, just to be relevant to your statement, that you CHOSE to be gay. If you or others wish to imagine otherwise, you belittle yourselves with the products of your imaginations and I lounge here happily and proudly blameless.

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      • 47. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:01 am

        QUACKKKKKKKK….nobody asked you for Shite…..several people have asked you to leave them alone…the moderators banned you….you have done nothing but underhandedly harass people in a anti-gay manor…every last person in this community agrees with that…EVER SINGLE person agrees that you have yet to post one single fact but incoherent, disrespectful, brainwashed, propaganda, speculation, hearsay, hate filled opinion….and like I said “it” comes in the night while everybody else is sleeping to insult and harass people just like the practices of the triple K and the Swatzies….Awweeeeee POOOOOOOOOOOR…..Moore so alone on V-day…such a bitter and jaded wh0re that “it” is trying to destroy other people love…..NOBODY takes you seriously trash bag…..You are nothing a zero no wonder you’re a lonely wh0re nobody wants your ugly sack of shite……..Be gone banned one and stop hacking your way onto this blog…..<3…Ronnie

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      • 48. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:30 am

        A gift…..because “it” has clearly gone off the deep end (dopty-daddy and dopty-mommy you know what I’m taking about)now if only “it” was capable of being just as cool and human as this other world….<3…Ronnie:

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      • 49. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:35 am

        Linda, bullies are pathetic people who don’t care what destruction they leave in their wake. The only way they have to feel good about themselves is to hurt others — because they *know* that their lives are sad, empty and miserable. They are in need of serious psychiatric help.

        I pity them, to be honest. Their lives are so tiny and wretched. Imagine how awful it would be to have nothing about which you could feel good except hurting others. I am glad I am not that kind of a person.

        I thank you for your kind remarks. I am not afraid of pathetic bullies anymore. This is not elementary school, it’s the real world. Adult bullies need psychiatric help even more than the children and adolescents; they are sociopaths at heart.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 50. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:30 am

        Thank you, Richard. It was a quiet day at home, but very nice.

        I hope that you and BZ had a great day as well.

        Love,
        Fiona

        PS to Ronnie: Glad you finally got your giant gorilla. :-)

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      • 51. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:12 am

        Fiona, yes we had a wonderful day, and it is continuing today, which is our first anniversary. We had lunch at Mother’s, then went to see some friends in Burlington, then afterward went to Golden Corral for dinner. Came back home with a chocolate buzz! And I am so glad you and Jeff had a great Valentine’s Day. And I am so glad Ronnie got his giant gorilla! That is just great. Here it is teddy bears all over. Still looking for just the right one to complete the collection. May have to go to White Rabbit. Or online.

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      • 52. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:16 am

        Here you go doppty-daddy…this bear my take up the whole bed but aweeeee….hehehe……<3…Ronnie:

        http://www.giantstuffedanimals.com/

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      • 53. Kay Moore  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:08 pm

        Sorry… not yet been banned. A fascinating side effect of doing nothing wrong is that the people who punish wrong-doers don’t punish people who don’t do any wrong. Y’all might want to think long and hard on that little inconvenient truth.

        Incidentally, I enjoy being proven right over and over again. Please continue.

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      • 54. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:16 pm

        Yeah whatever trash bag,,,i mean quack…that’s why somebody received an email that the trash bag was banned….the trash bag is the only thing that believes “it” is proven right….well so is the hand i write with….trash bag…quack..trash bag…meet quack…how are you quack..i’m trash bag…WTF why are you talking to yourself…”the call is coming from inside the house”…ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!….Papa do you hear me?….What?!….ummm…hah?!….<3…Ronnie

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      • 55. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:17 pm

        Yeah, whatever.

        Quack, quack, quack.

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      • 56. Kay Moore  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:21 pm

        Ah, but no one banned me because there was no cause. But keep trying… no matter how often you repeat yourself and yearn for your opinion to be true, it won’t be true. Here’s awaiting the next round of delusions from y’all. :)

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      • 57. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:23 pm

        Yeah, whatever.

        Quack quack quack quack quack.

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      • 58. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:24 pm

        says the QUACK…..in the field of delusia and imaginothigville near denile in egypt and the land of quack and gotnothingonia….QUACK!!!!

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      • 59. David Kimble  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:59 pm

        Oh no, Kay, here’s your message to skidoo!
        Hi David,

        Both of them have now been banned. The abuse should stop now.

        Sorry that you were subjected to that. We are attempting to strike a balance between providing a space for respectful dialogue and community.

        -Julia

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      • 60. Linda  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:04 pm

        David, you are my hero!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I can delete the email I was drafting to CC. And thank you, Julia. Yes, I think we all respect honest dialogue; but this was hateful harassment.

        Love,
        Linda

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      • 61. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:08 pm

        Linda still send it..because that email was days ago….thats why all of us are convinced that “it” is a hacker or something along those lines….Of course a hacker is not going to say “it” is a hacker….. but “it” was banned contrary to what “it” believes in that little delusional peanut of “its”….<3…Ronnie

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      • 62. Kay Moore  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:20 pm

        Very well. If you see this reply, Richard, I must not be one of the “both of them” to which Julia is referring. After all, I expect that if you recieved that email days ago and my posts continue to appear, then I must not have been banned.

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      • 63. Linda  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:21 pm

        Ronnie–it’s done.

        I, for one, am in support of a ‘flagging’ option for each comment, so that we can identify offensive posts quickly and flag them for removal.

        None of us objects to respectful dialogue. But NO ONE has the right to spew hatred just for the fun of it.
        Linda

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      • 64. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:26 pm

        Quack!!!!! actually I was forwarded the same email and “its” name was in there…QUACK!!!!…..David K. with your permission I will post it……<3..Ronnie

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      • 65. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:33 pm

        Oh and Quack,,,a hacker would still be able to post even if “it” was banned…..Good job Linda….this “thing” is like a wort that just will no go away…..maybe “it” is half toad half QUACK….<3…Ronnie

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      • 66. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:34 pm

        I keep praying for you, that you will gain the knowledge and wisdom to realize that when your taunts and other discriminatory and harassing comments leave a member of this brd physically ill, that you are indeed doing something wrong, and that you are way out of line. I do not know how you managed to get around the block that was put on you, unless you are using a different computer, or using a different IP address, but you really need to stop. You are not wanted here, because you are showing that you are nothing more than a teenager who is trying to earn your gay-bashing merit badge by abusing the internet. Now, go home and spend time with Mommy and Daddy.

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      • 67. Kay Moore  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:00 pm

        I’m sorry, Richard, but I feel no guilt for things that are blamed on me but for which I bear no responsibility. Y’all surrendered any right to have your demands respected when they morphed into “you are a lying homophobic gay-basher” with an accompanying refusal to justify the accusation with direct quotation of what you allege to be malicious. On the subject of banning, I plan to see if there is any merit to the supposition that such a ban has been enacted but the facts suggest that it was not, the yearnings of certain contributors aside.

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      • 68. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:07 pm

        All I hear is Quack quack quack quack!!!! and here is something to go with it (and to my friends you will get a kick out of this)…..<3…Ronnie:

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      • 69. David Kimble  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:08 pm

        Ronnie, You have my permissioin to post the entire e-mail, but please blank-out e-mail address, so next time when it shows-up – people will have some kind of reference. I would have posted the entire e-mail, but I couldn’t figure-out how to do it. <3 David

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      • 70. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:09 pm

        Woah….I didn’t want that to post i only posted the url but the whole thing posted….. all well….sorry for the language…but he has a point….<3…Ronnie

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      • 71. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:16 pm

        Ok “it” time for some major pwnage….David K. has givin me permission to PWN you to third degree of infinity times 2…..whether you think so or not….Every single tracker will agree you have just been PWND….This is the full email that was forwarded to me…<3…Ronnie:

        From: juls.rosen@ ——–.com [mailto:juls.rosen@—–.com] On Behalf Of Julia Rosen
        Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:30 PM
        To: David Kimble
        Subject: Re: Harrassment

        Hi David,

        Both of them have now been banned. The abuse should stop now.

        Sorry that you were subjected to that. We are attempting to strike a balance between providing a space for respectful dialogue and community.

        -Julia

        On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:46 PM, David Kimble wrote:
        I know Ronnie has e-mailed you about “George” and “Kay”, who have repeatedly appeared at the Prop8 trial tracker and keep saying horrible things about our community of Trackers and additionally use gay epithets at us. This in my view constitutes harassment and I hoping this site can track them and charge them with such.

        David -. Kimble
        (address)

        weighed….measured….QUACKED!!!!…..<3…Ronnie

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      • 72. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:21 pm

        Actually, I think your best option would be to just leave this board and never return. You are bordering on having harassment charges filed. And f you would take the time to read all of the threads upon which you have posted your vitriol, you would clearly see the hatred you have spewed everywhere. Te list is actually too lengthy for me to go into in detail here. But trust me, one way or another you will be banned permanently.

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      • 73. Kay Moore  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:15 pm

        That would indeed be my best option if there was any reason to consider it an option at all. Unlike people who have claimed that I have harassed others and posted cruel commentary, I indeed do read my own material and it is because that material is so harmless that I’m so confident and have no fear of sanction.

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      • 74. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:20 pm

        Quaaaccccckkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…I mean trash bag…no i mean Quack!!!!! Hacker alert was banned email for proof hacker alert hacker hacker hacker hacker….quack quack!!

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      • 75. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:01 am

        For those who support LGBTQQIA Rights and marriage Equality only:

        “Here’s awaiting the next round of delusions” – – malicious and hurtful.

        “Of course it’s play for me” – – enjoys harassing people.

        ” I have no incentive to wander off to boards and forums where I have to worry about a challenge.” – – malicious and hurtful.

        “I haven’t actually said anything that a literate observer could construe as “hate”” – – so not only did “it” insult every single person in this community but “it” also says that we are all lying…..malicious and hurtful.

        “I lounge here happily and proudly blameless.” – – pure statement of trolling harassment .

        “Y’all might want to think long and hard on that little inconvenient truth.” – – the truth is that we have proof that “it” was banned. – – more attempts at trolling.

        “I plan to see if there is any merit to the supposition that such a ban has been enacted but the facts suggest that it was not, the yearnings of certain contributors aside.” – – the facts show banned, proof of a troll/hacker and ignores the fact that is nor certain contributors but every contributor that agrees with us.

        “That’s because blog admins aren’t blind and can tell the difference between a “team” Kay, George, and a single person.” – – again the proof has been shown that “it” was banned and like every hacker has continued to do so….simple plain as day harassment even when “it” was never mentioned by name in the comment in which “it” replied too in trollish from.

        “look good with your incoherent replies,” – – not one person in this community thinks “it” looks good…pure delusion of a troll and hurtful harassment of someone who again did not mention “it” by name.

        anytime somebody states or implies that homosexuality is a choice and are not LGBTQQIA themselves it is homophobic (i.e #’s 100 and 103 of “words matter” thread)

        “So I decided to be vague in my reply” – – the exact def. of a troll is to set up a way for another person to be offended…instigation is malicious and hurtful.

        “that would all depend upon their level of literacy and their willingness to read carefully” – – again insulted every person in this community.

        “it” repeatedly said that the hate crimes bill is unconstitutional and is against it (in so many words but like I said there are many times it referenced to that instance)…there are too many to quote.

        Random house dictionary is not a reliable resource called my college hist. proff and laughed said do not ever use that for a paper I fail students for that…enough said.

        “Well, see, that’s why I’m here… the conversation needs an adult to monitor it.” – – yeah they banned “it” the proof is in the email…hacker much.

        “I hope that the next time you put that much effort into a rant, you do so in possession of some modicum of fact.” – – while not posting one credible fact in all of the opinions of every single person in this community….instigating a response by insulting is hurtful.

        “I fear nothing, Felyx. I just enjoy the identity that the community has assigned to me and feel no need to correct it.” – – trolling, omission is lying and guilt by default.

        “I am not concerned with gaining friends” – – this is a civil rights advocacy blog with the number 1 intentions of creating a supportive community and a safe haven for those who relate to the concept of the blog and “it” is undermining that when the members of the community have repeatedly asked “it” to stop therefor harassment and trolling.

        “I know that continuing my mild commentary will continue to evoke puerile babbling” – – not one person considers it mild that is all in “its” head…and wishes to evoke reactions…def of a troll…illegal actions according to the FBI cyber crimes devision.

        Every single person in this community has participated in the human interest pieces and personal stories in which was the #1 goal of this blog but “it” has not…however “it” only instigates at optimum times for harassment as well as during the hours when most would be sleeping therefor they cannot respond,

        “it” has actually succeeded at making someone physically ill and shows no remorse for doing so…just continues to vaguely harass,,,bigot troll.

        not one comment from “it” on any of the videos some of which prove points…proof of no interest in the content of the blog just here to harass people…trolling practices.

        By continuing to harass people after every single person has asked to “it” to stop it shows animus and the goal of continuing to target specific people who do not agree with “its” opinion even when they have ignored it….harassment, malicious, harmful..TROLL

        In the earlier live blogs there were several times when it made anti Semitic statements and anti-LGBTQQIA statements and personally attacked me which resulted in me attacking “it”…. “it” even continued to do so after I was ignoring it…trolling

        “Ultimately, it’s a technicality for me. I see marriage as an institution enjoying centuries of varying practices and viewpoints that have ultimately optimized it for its traditional understanding: a heterosexual union for the purpose of producing, normalizing, socializing, and educating offspring to be the best possible contributors to the larger society.” – – in other words prop ha8te propaganda.

        “Because I regard myself as having benefited immensely from the traditional male/female marriage relationship, I naturally regard it as the best possible and am the most willing to support the form of marriage that has benefited me the most because I believe it will benefit others the most.” – – in other words anti gay and the exact argument that prop ha8tes uses.

        “I’m really sorry to be so long-winded and wordy but it’s hard to really describe how I oppose gay marriage without feeling even the slightest bit of malice towards homosexuals” – – anti gay prop ha8te dogma

        An omission of denial is always a admission to the accusation….I know there is more and I have 2 screens open where there are but I am tired so I will wait until 2morro to debunk…<3…Ronnie

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      • 76. fiona64  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:28 am

        Ronnie, thank you for the line-by-line proof.

        BTW, the information you have collected constitutes proof of a crime: cyber-harassment. This is a subset of cyber-stalking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 77. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:49 am

        You’re welcome fiona64….that is just the tip of the ice-berg….I have two treads open where I am listing more and i have found some doozies….this list will much longer and damning…although “it” will probably say I didn’t post that or something along those lines…but whatever the proof is in the facts and just reaffirms what we already know and agree with…<3…Ronnie

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    • 78. Kay Moore  |  February 14, 2010 at 10:53 pm

      Nice to know I have such power. :)

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      • 79. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:47 am

        Listen TRASH BAG the only power you have is the fact that seriously made somebody in this community sick to their stomach to the degree that he has decided to stay away from this site for a few days….I’m not telling you who more the some of you know who I’m talking about…….You effing homophobic POS……..SHAME!!!!….”It” was blocked and is still harassing people….effing gutter snipe, swatzy, triple K, boglin, hacker, wh0re, troll…..Happy post V-day I hope “it” chokes on piece of chocolate.

        QUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      • 80. Bry  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:18 am

        I bet you’d like to think you have such power, wouldn’t you? You have none, you’re a virus. We’re the vaccine, go crawl back into your little shack and wait for the sun to set again so it’s safe for you to leave your little dank domicile.

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      • 81. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:47 am

        Bry, Kay doesn’t care who is hurt by her words. There could be some young person reading and not posting here who sees her hate-speech and decides that today is the day that he or she just can’t take it anymore and ends his or her life because of Kay. And she doesn’t even care. She is no different from the people who go out and physically beat up LGBT people, with the exception that she does so from the safety of her own home.

        She is a bully, which means that she is a coward. The only thing she has going on in her life is causing hurt to others. I am hopeful that any young person reading these forums and not posting will ignore her hate-speech and look instead at the supportive family that has grown up here. The pathetic Kays of the world are NOT the decision-makers on who has value, or what relationships have value.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 82. Bill  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:14 am

        Power?

        You do realize that you are to be pitied, don’t you dear?

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      • 83. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:16 am

        Actually, Bill, I don’t think she does. After all, this is an individual who sees herself as a starship commander from a science fiction universe, so I don’t think she has such a good grip on reality.

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      • 84. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:29 am

        Bill, I have to agree with you. What kind of a pitiful life must one have to crow about their “power” to trigger a man who has been gay-bashed not once, but thrice — and who bravely told his story here? This is the same kind of person who would no doubt crow about their “power” to trigger any other person with PTSD — a service veteran, a rape survivor, a domestic violence survivor. It makes “Kay” feel big and strong to hurt someone who has survived experience that would no doubt kill “her.”

        The more I think about it, Kay is probably a high school boy who is only allowed to use the computer after supper and homework are completed. That explains the late-night postings, the bullying … and thinking that the Star Trek MMPORG is real.

        I envision Kay as Paul Nicholas in “Tommy” (remember Cousin Kevin) but without the charm and musical talent.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 85. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:14 am

        You are once again so right, sis. And it is so sad to think that her life is so pitiful. What is even worse is the fact that she won’t even admit to herself that her life is pitiful, sad, and empty.

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      • 86. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:13 am

        Fiona,
        Regarding you comment about ‘K’ being a highschool boy…

        What unmarried woman goes to church to see who is preaching just to walk out 5 minutes later to read graphic novels about the Civil War or whatever for an hour?

        The answer?

        The kind of unmarried woman that is a teenage boy who is dragged off to church with his mother and has to kill an hour because he has no transportation home. Any truly self-sufficient person would not bother otherwise.

        I picked up on this when he made his religious statement. I alluded to the fact that it was teenage rational. I have since stopped trying to carry on a marriage debate with someone who is not here to debate marriage especially considering he is unmarried and has not even expressed a solid position on the issue.

        His latest post makes it clear why he is here. Harassment, personal playtime and engendering a smug sense of satisfaction at getting people to argue with a teenager cloaked by net anonimity.

        Poor boy can’t wander off to another MB where he might have to face a challenge (his words). Besides, what mature woman watches Dinotopia, tries to use but can’t actually speak German, and feels comfortable with the slang term pwnd?…Doh!

        Weighed. Measured. PWND!

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      • 87. Linda  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:41 am

        Felyx–well said. Can we all agree to give no attention to any further posts by this person (KM)? Please, attention in any form is undeserved.
        Thank you!
        Love,
        Linda

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      • 88. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:54 am

        That was attempted by every single person here…but didn’t work….when “it” was being ignored then “it” started jumping into other peoples conversations after “it” said don’t jump into my conversation…hypocrite….”it” was even banned and there is an email to prove it….but low-and-behold there “it” is….I’m not going to post the email because it is not my place to do so…if the person who received it chooses to come back to the site he can post it…but he emailed me this morning and said he probably will not come back for a few days….<3…Ronnie

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      • 89. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:00 pm

        Unfortunately Linda,
        ‘K’ has adepted himself to the art of psychological manipulation. It doesn’t take too much skill and it actually is very powerful for those who would use it. I would compare it to an immature individual picking up a gun and randomly firing it off in a room. Even if no one is hit, it is hard to ignore.

        There are people on this MB who have a lifetime of pain and are not able to filter out button-pushing comments. It has been tried before and it was not effective. The boy knows this. You might as well ask a victim of rape to sit in a room with the attacker and request that he or she just not give it another thought.

        I suggest you write a calm rational heart-felt email to prop8trial@couragecampaign.org and let them know how you feel. When harassment disguised as debate starts to affect a community like ours, it is time to let the moderators know.

        Peace and Love Linda,
        Felyx

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      • 90. Linda  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:02 pm

        Thanks, Ronnie.

        You know, I had a relative who enjoyed picking fights. He would make one statement, and if the other person agreed with him, then he would switch his stance just to get to argue. After a couple of bouts with him I changed my tactics and began agreeing with him….no matter how many times he flip-flopped on a topic I would just say, ‘yeah, uh huh’ and leave it at that. It drove him nuts! But he finally learned that attempting to pick an argument with me was useless.

        People like that feed on attention and the emotion they can stir up. Deprive them of both of those and they quickly lose their power.

        Love,
        Linda

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      • 91. Linda  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:06 pm

        Felyx–excellent suggestion; thank you. I will do that. I am grieving for those in our community who have literally been sickened by this.

        Love,
        Linda

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      • 92. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:35 pm

        Dear Linda:

        Like you, I am very concerned about our friend who was so triggered by the attacks that he became physically ill. I suspect that “K” is spoofing his IP address, which gets around the ban very tidily and allows him to continue to inflict pain.

        I don’t know how much good bans will do when that is the case. :-(

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 93. Linda  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:01 pm

        Fiona–that being the case I suggest we move to plan B. Any comments made by KM should receive no more response than ‘yeah, whatever’…no matter how offensive the comments will be (and I’m sure they will escalate in venom to incite reactions). After all, it’s difficult to play catch if no one throws the ball to you, know what I mean?

        From what I can tell, this person has no agenda other than to harass and bully. I can tolerate legitimate debate, but this is completely different. This is hatred, that has turned into emotional abuse for some of us. If our moderators cannot keep this person from posting, can we at least have a way of flagging these offenses so they can be removed? That way we don’t have to be hit with that filth every time we peruse the comments.

        I think we are gracious in continuing to allow, and even invite, comments from those with opposing views. And I applaud this attitude. But I do NOT think we should be allowed to be victims here.

        Love,
        Linda

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      • 94. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:31 pm

        I agree….and I will add that to my “Quacks”….lol….<3…Ronnie

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      • 95. Kay Moore  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:54 pm

        Well, it took about 7 hours but after intense intellectual strain, you circled around to arrive at your original strategy… that you proved unable to implement for some reason. Now to see if it works the second time.

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      • 96. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:58 pm

        Yeah, whatever thrash bag… i mean Quack!!!!!….<3…Ronnie

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      • 97. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:18 pm

        Yeah, whatever.

        Quackety-quack quack.

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      • 98. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:24 pm

        WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        AFLAC!! AFLAC!! AFLAC!! AFLAC!!

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  • 99. Stanislas  |  February 14, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    “Tiwonge Chimbalanga looked like a man but said he was a woman. He helped with the cooking and dressed in feminine wraparound skirts.”

    Ever heard of transgender people? If she says she’s a woman, they she is, for god’s sake.

    You don’t battle homophobia with transphobia.

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    • 100. fiona64  |  February 14, 2010 at 4:37 pm

      That’s a quote from the article, not Brian’s words.

      Love,
      Fiona

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      • 101. Stanislas  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:28 am

        I am well aware of that, darling but it’s
        a/ Brian who chose to put the article up as an example of homophobic ruling
        b/ Brian who didn’t correct the article. If someone put up a homophobic article somewhere and didn’t challenge it, would you accept the explanation “it’s not me who said it, it’s the article!!” ?

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      • 102. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:38 am

        Stanislas, I would not hold the person who posted the article responsible for its content. I think Brian’s commentary elucidated the situation on Malawi, and the article illustrates the issue.

        Love,
        Fiona

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  • 103. David Kimble  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    And just so we are all on the same page, the first time I was ever in a gay chat room – I was like, what do all of these acronyms mean? I feared I was in danger of putting out another light in the attic! LOL <3 David

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    • 104. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:18 pm

      !….10Q….4COL…@TEOTD…AAMOF….the quacker is ACORN….AFAIC…..but….E2HO…anywho….FYI 2D PIK&L…I <3…U…..Ronnie

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      • 105. David Kimble  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:29 pm

        Yeppers, that about says it doncha think? LOL <3 David

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      • 106. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:31 pm

        yup yup….hehehe…<3…Ronnie

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  • 107. Bill  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    When the leader of the free world, the United States, passes anti-gay laws, even to this day, we can’t really act terribly surprised when less civilized nations put their own barbaric spin on their anti-gay laws, can we?

    So while I agree that it is important to be thankful to be a gay citizen in the United States instead of, say, Uganda, it is also worth noting that if the rest of the world witnessed America putting an end to its own anti-gay laws, we would surely see the rest of the world begin to follow suit.

    It is alo important to note thatthe flames of homophobia around the WORLD are largely fanned by American Evangelicals who travel the globe spreading this message of hate.

    So, yes, it is great to live in a nation where a gay person can live somewhat freely.

    But our nation’s culpability in the larger sense of how LGTB’s are treated globally isquite vast.

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    • 108. David Kimble  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:25 pm

      I am embarrassed to say, but there are already other countries in the world that recognize SSM – long before the US signs on-board. <3 David

      Mexico (since 2006)
      Croatia (since 2003)
      Denmark (since 1989)

      Finland (since 2001)

      France (since 1999)

      Germany (since 2001/expanded rights 2004)

      Hungary (since 1996/expanded rights as of July 1, 2009)

      Iceland (since 1996)

      Sweden (as of May 1, 2009)

      Norway (since 2008)

      Netherlands/Holland (no amendments needed; language of existing laws inclusive)

      Belgium (since 2003)

      Spain (since 2005)

      South Africa (since 2006)
      Luxembourg (since 2004 with limitations)

      New Zealand (since 2004)

      Portugal (since 2001)

      Sweden (since 1995/expanded rights as of April 1, 2009)

      Switzerland (since 2005)

      United Kingdom (since 2005)

      Canada (since 2004/2005 – How to Get Married in Canada)
      United States (some states)

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      • 109. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:31 pm

        Don’t forget Nepal is working on it

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      • 110. David Kimble  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:37 pm

        Thanx, Ronnie. I suspect Nepal will have it before the US – any bets? BTW, I didn’t know about Nepal, so thanx.
        <3 David

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      • 111. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:40 pm

        I think it will….. the supreme court already legalized it now the Gov. is just trying to work out all the legalities….<3…Ronnie

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      • 112. Kathleen  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:50 pm

        I don’t think ss marriage is legal in the UK. I think they created a *seperate* relationship called “civil partnerships.” UK law. As I understand it, the CPs carry all the rights of a marriage, e.g., immigration, tax, etc., but they’re still subscribing to the notion “separate but equal.”

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      • 113. Marius  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:53 pm

        Yha, though onely 7 of thoughs contry have an equal mariag law, the others have a partnership recognition, saying that what you wroth is kinda wrong in a way, for exsempel ,thoug you say Norway recognices gay relationships since 2008 that is not quite right, its had a equal marriag law since 2008, but befor that they recogniced partnerships since like the late late 80thys early 90thys. (This made the the 5 or 6 contrey too have an equal marriage law)
        love marius

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      • 114. Michelle Evans  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:58 pm

        Yes, unfortunately, many of these countries do not recognize the word marriage. Even a place like New Zealand that has one of the greatest Human Rights Laws on the books, only allow civil unions between same gender couples.

        They have a law which basically states that it is illegal to discriminate against anyone for any reason whatsoever. Period. Unfortunately they do not see the irony in this law that then does not allow same gender marriage to be called exactly that.

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      • 115. David Kimble  |  February 14, 2010 at 5:09 pm

        The information I provided came from a website, that I cannot find now. My point is there are other countries, like Canada that perform SSM without the stigmas attached in the US. <3 David

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  • 116. Michelle Evans  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    On our Happy Valentine’s Day theme, I wanted to point out that in Saudia Arabia the mere mention of this holiday is outlawed! Anything that can be construed as being about love for a married couple or just unmarried sweethearts is punishable! Of course they would think this way since this is the one Muslim country that does not even allow women to drive a car, to be in public without male escort, and so many other things that prove women are just property. Why would anyone want to express love for their property, after all?

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    • 117. Kathleen  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:51 pm

      I love my Wacom Tablet.

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  • 118. Michelle Evans  |  February 14, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    The “Words Matter: Homosexual vs. gay/lesbian” thread has been getting slow since there are now new threads to discuss, but I wanted to mention that I left a couple of comments on there recently concerning transgender issues that I hope many of you might read.

    Again, with Valentine’s Day upon us, I think it is important that we are allowed to be exactly who we are and to be able to love who we choose.

    One thing that hit home for me was that when I tried to find a Valentine card to give to my beautiful and loving wife Cherie, it was pretty much impossible to find anything that did not mention that the card was from a husband to a wife, nothing with a wife to a wife. Sad.

    After my transition, one of the papers we had to change was the title to our condo. Previously the title stated “husband and wife,” but when we tried to change it to “wife and wife”–a simple one word change–they would not allow it. We had to put down “spouse and spouse” to satisfy their prurient sensibilities.

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    • 119. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 3:05 pm

      check out…….. http://www.10percent.com

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    • 121. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:49 am

      And I had the same problem, Michelle. Try finding a valentine “To my Husband” or “To the man I love” that is from ‘Your loving husband.” And that hurts! Especially since our anniversary is the day after Valentine’s Day, and I can’t find anniversary cards that work, either. I know–Let’s put Ronnie to work on that. He could really have a great online business with that. Call it Gaymerican Greetings! Are you listening, dopty-son? ♥ ♥ ♥

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      • 122. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:53 am

        Roses are Red….and Rainbows are true…I love my Gay husband and he loves me too………<3…Ronnie

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      • 123. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:00 am

        It may be because I’m in CA, but I have been able to find same-sex wedding congratulations cards, along with anniversary cards. Admittedly, was not looking for one for Valentine’s Day …

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 124. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:06 am

        There a store in NYC called “Rainbows and Triangles” in the Chelsea neighborhood that has HUGE collection of greeting cards for LGBTQQI individuals….but the websites that David K. and I posted are good sources as well……<3…Ronnie

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      • 125. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:21 am

        oh and fiona64….I am the happiest little gay boy right now…my mother got me a giant stuffed gorilla with a heart that says be mine….his foot is bigger then my dog(long haired chihuahua)….hehehe..<3…Ronnie

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      • 126. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:36 am

        Ooo…I have another one:

        On this day of Love and Romance, it’s not about what’s in your pants(well maybe later)…It’s what’s in your Heart that will never tear us apart..That you love me and I love you both of us together unconditionally…..<3…Ronnie

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      • 127. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:02 am

        Such a poet Ronnie….you have a talent! Fe

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      • 128. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:06 am

        Thank you Felyx…<3…Ronnie

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  • 129. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Yes!!!!!!!!………. I found the video of the the very brave group Queer Rising on Friday Feb. 12, 2010….Four people were arrested after they chained themselves to a New York City marriage bureau….Their names are Alan Bounville, Jake Goodman, Justin Elzie, and Gabriel Yuri Bollag……”One struggle!!…One fight!!…Marriage is a Civil Right!!!!”…..<3…Ronnie

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  • 130. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 14, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Brian, I am very thankful that I live in the US, even though there are still tough times ahead for the LGBTQQI community here. I have a loving husband (even if we have not yet been able to make that our LEGAL status yet) and have a comfortable home, a loving mother-in-law who will be 85 on Wednesday, and toay, my husband and I had a wonderful day to begin the celebration of our first anniversary. We have two wonderful dogs here, who are lesbians (they even fight like an old married couple at times) and they are just the sweetest little ladies, even when they get a little too rough playing. I have a car that I can get back and forth to work in, as well as being able to help with taking my mother-in-law where she needs to go, since she no longer drives, but still works three days a week at a local discount chain. And I have a lot of loving friends, iincluding those I have met through the P8TT site and P8TT group on FB. And I have also been given the privilege and honor to be a part of Courage Campaign Initiative by being allowed to form the first CC Equality Team outside of California. Let’s all work together so that everyone in this country can have the same equal rights in marriage and the rest of their lives. WE cannot stop now.

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  • 131. John  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:45 am

    I’m a straight guy, but still have to deal with the consequences of religion codified into stupid laws (such as “traditional marriage” and the “definition of marriage is one man and one woman” while not bothering with the little problem of defining “man” and “woman”). My wife is intersexed, and had her legal sex changed to reflect reality.

    I very much love my wife, and had a great valentine’s day (our first!) yesterday, together as husband and wife.

    But I’m saddened by it too. I know that I would love her regardless of what sex her driver’s license listed, and that people have the right to follow their hearts in love. Yet some are prevented from having the kind of celebration we had yesterday.

    I remember the fear we both had when we got our marriage license. Isn’t that supposed to be a joyous day? Yet we both entered the registration office, nearly shaking, trying not to give the person behind the counter any reason to start asking questions. Not the happy couple celebrating their commitment for each other, but a scared couple, scared that someone will think they are doing something “dirty” or “wrong”. We were following our hearts. How is that wrong? Yet we couldn’t find anything conclusively that said what we were doing was legally right, either. We’re one of the many casualties in the battle to make sure two consenting adults don’t get to call themselves “married”.

    We did get our license, without our fears being confirmed (thank God!). I can only imagine how much it would have hurt – particularly for my wife – if her status as a woman was questioned at this particular point. That said, her status should have been irrelevant.

    Yet we have a set of laws and precedents that make people like us fearful of expressing our love, seeking that recognition of our commitment, and taking advantage of the rights and responsibilities granted to us by our government. How does that help society?

    And I am even more saddened to know that others have tried to do the same thing we did – and been turned away because someone’s interpretation of the bible precludes the idea of love being something that brings God joy.

    I pray for the day when the next generation doesn’t have loving couples that have to fear instead of celebrate going to the courthouse for their marriage license – regardless of whether that relationship “fits” with the idea of “traditional” (you know, like forced marriage of slaves, illegality of mixed-race relations, women being seen as property, couples told that their activities in the bedroom are illegal, etc) marriage.

    Nothing speaks more about love than the risk many take in showing their love for each other, when there is real, physical, and emotional risk. Only love could make someone happy to put their life on the line. I can’t wait for the day when people who have done that can get legal recognition of their courage and love. I think, at that time, we’ll see some of the strongest and most joyous marriages that the world has ever seen.

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    • 132. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:11 am

      Thank you, John. Your story is one more reason I am not about to give up now. I am not going to stop until ALL adult couples have the right to CELEBRATE their love instead of having to live in fear because of their love. And you are right–the best way for us to see G-d happy is to spread love. Even Yeshua ben Yosef said that the two greatest commandments are “To love the lord your god with all your heart, your mind, your soul, and your strength, and to love your neigbor as yourself.” Of course in order to love your neighbor as you love yourself, you must first love yourself, and that is where I think most of those who are so vociferous in teir condemnation of us are lacking. They cannot love us because they do not love themselves. That is where you and your wife are shining examples. Each of you has a healthy love of yourself, so you are then able to love each other. Congratulations on your first Valentine’s Day as a married couple, and may you have many decades of happiness together.

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    • 133. Bill  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:25 am

      Don’t let your feelings of sadness prevent your feelings of joy & love!!!

      Heterosexuals only THINK that their relationships are superior to ours. They are allowed to think whatever they want.

      WE know better.

      Most heterosexuals will try and give their relationship’s ego a boost by assuming its superiority over an LGTB relationship. But as we see with the divorce rate, that only works in their bigoted heads, and not in reality.

      Also, who the f*ck wants to be on the side that stands for discrimination?

      Who wants to join the country club that doesn’t allow blacks or jews???

      This is really no different.

      So, rejoice in your love and in your ability to secure legal protections for each other.

      And do not let the forces of bigotry and hatred take an ounce of that joy and love from you.

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      • 134. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:32 am

        Bill, I wholeheartedly concur that no one intelligent stands for discrimination. I have said repeatedly that I believe history will view the supporters of Prop 8 and similar discriminatory measures with the same jaundiced eye we now have for Jim Crow and the Nuremberg Laws.

        Let us celebrate love. That’s what it’s all about.

        Love,
        Fiona

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  • 135. Linda  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Fiona–once again I agree with what you say. And I’ll add to it with this: we need to give ourselves permission to live fully free. We need to claim the words we treasure–marriage, wife, husband, family, love–and use them freely and with joy.

    We need to ‘Live OUT Loud!’

    Love,
    Linda

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    • 136. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:59 am

      I’m a Gay American Human and I’m DANG proud of it……..<3..Ronnie:

      Can I get a Hallelu!!!!?

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      • 137. Linda  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:01 am

        Hallelu!!! :)

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      • 138. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:36 pm

        Hallelu! Hallelu! Hallelujah!!!♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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  • 139. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Nothing’s Gonna Stop Us Now(enough Said)….<3…Ronnie:

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    • 140. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:35 pm

      Thank you, Ronnie. From Dopty-Daddy and the Rabbi! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
      I remember when Starpship Jefferson Airplane, and then Jefferson Starship. This song brings back a whole lot of memories, mostly good!

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  • 141. Linda  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:14 am

    What a delightful email–

    “Hi Linda,

    Thank you for writing to share your concerns about ‘Kay Moore’.

    They have just now been banned. Please let me know if they pop up again, but the blockers should work.

    ~Julia”

    Thank you, Julia!
    Love,
    Linda

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    • 142. fiona64  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:29 am

      From your mouth to the gods’ ears. :-)

      Love,
      Fiona

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    • 143. Linda  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:39 am

      You know, I was struck by something during all this harassment. ‘KM’ is under the sad misunderstanding that being able to inflict pain on others makes one powerful.

      We know that true power is in Community. And that’s what we have here. I suspect that ‘KM’ has no friends. That the only interaction this person has is through insult and hate. Probably the saddest thing about this is, if this person had approached our community with honesty, we would have accepted him/her. We wouldn’t have judged, we wouldn’t have condemned, we wouldn’t have shown intolerance. We are THAT kind of community. ‘KM’ just lost a golden opportunity, IMHO.

      Being capable of being hurt is not a sign of weakness; it is a sign of humanity.

      Love,
      Linda

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      • 144. fiona64  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:51 am

        Indeed. So many people have bravely told their stories; I know I have said it many times, but I am humbled at the courage of the people in this group. There is so much love and kindness; to come in with no intent except to hurt people of goodwill reflects a truly sad case.

        This person has probably been bullied himself, and has come to identify with the aggressor (this happens more times than you would like to think). He figures that he is a big man himself if he abuses others: people who have been abused so many times that certain words are all the trigger that they need in order to have a PTSD flashback. To pretend, even to himself, that he has done nothing wrong in the face of massive evidence to the contrary is indicative of a person in need of help.

        Yes, I suspect that if KM had come here with an intent other than to harass things would have been different. But that was all he wanted to do.

        So, I guess we’ll know once school lets out whether my suspicion about the IP spoofer is accurate. In the mean while, I am grateful to Julia and everyone at Courage Campaign for their efforts at walking the fine line between encouraging honest dialogue and eliminating abuse and hate speech from the board.

        Love,
        Fiona

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  • 145. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    And here is the last installment of the burden off proof…this is for all my LGBTQQIA brothers and sisters….

    “the only reason you disagree is that there’s something wrong with you.” – – implies that their maybe something mentally wrong with the tracker(s) it was directed at who is LGBTQQI…malicious and harmful.

    “moral concerns are considered a state interest under present legal precedent. It’s not “gay people are icky” or “the people have spoken” but the present legal standard for these types of cases is “reasonable justification” which morals qualify under.” – – basically says that LGBTQQIA falls under morals/immoral values and the gov. and the majority vote has the right to control LGBTQQIA personal lives…anti-gay quote of re-criminaliaztion of homosexuality..doh!

    “Whose morality? The morality of whatever constitutes the majority at the time that the law in enacted. For the purpose of lawmaking, morality is a function of majority.” – – enough said…actuality no not enough said… we all that the morality of the current very narrowing majority is hypocritical and contradictory.

    “There is no church-state conflict in a bunch of churches getting together in a legally-formed political action committee and spending money to advocate their views.” – – WRONG!!!!!….the churches do not pay taxes there for their views and money have no place in politics and the introduction of laws that effect those who do pay taxes…more prop ha8te propaganda,

    “we’ll move the discussion through the looking glass so that at least SOME of your personal version of history has a level of validity.” – – personal attack, insulting, malicious and harmful.

    ““If they take away our right to a title, their next target is the rights of an entire gender”? How does that even pass the laugh test?” – – anti-equality trolling attempt at instigation.

    “If the religious right is targeting “reproductive rights” as the phrase is currently defined, I’m foursquare behind them.” – – agrees with the religious reich.

    “If the religious right is targeting “reproductive rights” as the phrase is currently defined, I’m foursquare behind them.” – – already established that “it” agrees with the religious reich so is underhandedly stating that “it” rights are above that of ours.

    “PS to “it” in re: the “laugh test.” Taking away peoples’ rights (as Prop 8 did) is NOT funny. You may think so, but it’s only because it’s not your rights (yet).” – – this is from fiona64…..”it” did not disagree or deny…. omission of denial is an admission of the accusation.

    “There is a minor cognitive dissonance in all of this because you allege rights that I regard as artificial.” – – I mean seriously… straight out of some prop ha8te pamphlet.

    ” It would seem that preventing the establishment of this protection would be an even more gross and blatant violation of a doctor’s civil rights than the SSM advocates claim is being visited on them.” – – doctors have no civil rights when it comes to breaking the oath they must take as a doctor and second another statement that “it” does support SSM or LGBTQQI Rights.

    “why ought the state to deny a religious person protection from having to violate their personal morals concerning what medical treatments they dispense?” – – because of the oath they must take as doctors……enough said.

    “In the category of “rights”, you put a slew of things that I do not regard as “rights” such as “reproductive rights” and the “right” to call an intimate union “marriage”” – – doesn’t believe that marriage is a right….hi prop ha8te logic.

    “Getting bent would be bad for my back, probably. I’m told that heavy lifting could throw it out of whack although I somehow doubt that. Anyway, can’t get bent.” – – clearly has no f-ing idea what the term getting bent means, but attempt to be funny in wich nobody thought it was.

    “that you have a beloved family member who died of HIV complications is tragic but screaming and swearing at me for citing the government’s numbers on HIV is pathetic.” – – I have a family member who I was very close to who dies for this very reason but I don’t have the right to scream and swear at “it” when “it” disrespectfully and nonchalantly talks about this subject…..F-ing hypocrite Bigot….no apology for insulting me just calls me and my opinion pathetic….TRASH BAG

    “…you’re delusional, you know that?” – – enough said.

    “I somewhat facetiously then asked Fiona why that instance of the majority forcing the minority to conform to its morality doesn’t evoke her outrage. I didn’t expect a serious answer but the “you’re trying to equate gay marriage with pedophilia” blather was a bit of a surprise.” – – already established that “it” agrees with prop ha8te so this twist of words and omission of denial is another example of admission of the accusation from “it”…..Prop ha8te equates gay marriage with pedophilia therefore “it” is guilty by default of anti-gay prop ha8te propaganda.

    “I raised was actually an instance of hebephillia (sexual attraction to abdolesents)” – – lost credibility because that is not even a word the actual word is ephebophilia and is not considered illegal unless acted upon.

    “Technically, I believe myself to be a sci-fi commander named Shepard posted to the ship SR-2 Normandy but I can be a wit too” – – enough said.

    “Well, if you break, at least the argument ends quickly. Very quickly. Great advocates in the past have been acutely aware of how much power they’d give to their opponents by breaking as you describe which is why history sees them as so great: they won.” – – this was not even relevant to what “it” replied to and was a complete distortion of historical facts…but whatever..”its” credibility has already been destroyed.

    ” In the case of women’s rights, sufferage was a Constitutional amendment enacted by a majority vote of the majority’s elected representatives.” – – In the case of Marriage equality in cali….the legalization was enacted by a majority vote of the majority’s elected representatives….hypocrite.

    “Sorry to burst your bubble, Sarah, but I’m only “the Prop 8 side” in that I fully supported Measure 36 a few years ago. I am, unfortunately, also not representative of the people you’re fighting and the arguments you’re facing because I don’t start from the premise that gays should burn in hell. I have no direct stake in the Proposition 8 argument because Oregon already enacted their firewall; I start having a more direct stake when this argument moves into the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.” – – all anti gay except that “it” sort’ve implies that is doesn’t thing gay people will burn in hell but “it” agrees with the anti gay law of Oregon and stated that when it gets the the 9th C level “it” will be more involved….nice to know that “it” is waiting in the wings but if prop ha8te and/or the repeal of it has nothing to do with “its” life then WTF is “it” doing on this blog…troll alert.

    “I genuinely do not envy you the shackles of xenophobia and narrowness that you have chosen for yourself. I’m glad I don’t have to be immune to reality the way you are.” – – insults. harassment and did NOT deny any of the accusations…..admission of guilt by omission of denial.

    “with a silly assertion (marriage gets stronger if it means any and every union between two people). It’s all the more intriguing because both things you want to be reformed are results of “progress” being called for by a small minority crying oppression.” – – anti gay prop ha8ate propaganda.

    “Moreover, at least one of the back-and-forths came out of you popping into a very respectful conversation I was having with Felyx” – – one it appears that Felyx didn’t think “it” was being respectful and two “it” has jumped into every conversation that other trackers were having….classic practice of a Bigot Troll and Dooley noted that “it” is a hypocrite.

    “That’d be a much more relevant question if any of those four examples were used by me. It might be helpful, Chris, if you provided some citation of statements where I “twist[ed] reason into a pretzel” instead of where a random group to which I don’t belong did so. I can’t exactly defend a position I don’t take.” – – see all the above stated anti-gay prop ha8te dogma and underhandedly agreed to all that Chris stated (to see what chris is getting at please go to the “why the courts?” thread comment #329) the proof of their relevance to “its” opinion is in all the above.

    ” Blinkered ignorance among those who decry ignorant stereotypes is always deliciously ironic.” – – complete underhanded practices of a troll…vague insults.

    “In short, to quote a commentator on the public indecency trial of author Oscar Wilde: “I have no objection to anyone’s sex life as long as they don’t practice it in the street and frighten the horses.””- – enough said please see the rest of the complete underhandedly anti-gay hate speech on “the real threat” thread comment #33.

    “It’s true that there is no point in arguing with a Rand lover who has determined Truth ™. Fortunately, I’ve never read Rand (and therefore cannot “love” her writings) and have yet to determine Truth ™.”- – first it agrees that that there is no yada yada…an then it says it doesn;t know what a rand is….contradicts “itself” in one whole sentence.

    “There’s quite a bit I could say but I’ll leave it there since you wish to bow out having said your piece.” – – but continues to babble on and then says……..”As above, there’s much more I could say but you wish to exit the debate having said what you feel.”….instigating a reaction and got what it desired…troll alert.

    “Admittedly, it is possible to imagine statements out of thin air but statements that do not exist cannot be copied and pasted as quotations. Ball’s in your court, ye who can claim much but prove nothing.” – – instigating a reaction even though it was a reply to a comment that was not directed at “it”….trolling…. please see the rest of the imbecile and clear evidence of no sense of humor or ability to notice sarcasm on “the real threat” thread comment #54.

    “But you keep believing in your private world so I can have a reliable source of comic relief.” – – insult

    “I’ve some regard for the writers of South Park because they go after anyone and everyone for a laugh and don’t pull punches to avoid upsetting someone” – – but when I, Felyx, Fiona, Richard, Dieter, Michelle, David K….ect….ect… do it to “it” we are being disrespectful…..double standard….hypocrite….prop ha8te and anti-LGBTQQIA practice of I’m allowed to do it but you are not…Troll.

    “Correct, that is not precisely what you said. But what you said, after informing me that you were offended, had nothing to do with my assertion. So I expanded upon it to see if you’d respond with a more informative protest. It appears that was unsuccessful.” – – the person admits that he was offended and what does “it” do?….. insult again as well as doing what a troll does in this very sentence “So I expanded upon it to see if you’d respond with a more informative protest”….instigating a reaction in which what?…..It got what it wanted.

    “The internet is a wonderful tool for the curious and motivated researcher, something that ideological uniformity is ill-equipped to handle. That’s why I come back day after day cheerful without so much as a shadow of doubt.” – – publicly states that it is here to harass. see the rest on “the defense experts” thread comment #187

    “the most useful thing to stalk with an internet connection is empirical evidence, especially the sort that lets you make a mock of the science that the epicureans brag on so much.” – – admits to stalking on the internet…enough said.

    “Yes it is. Meanwhile, I’ll get my pack of Act III Extra Butter and watch the trolls operate and the people whose minds are made up eagerly rush to the comforting safety of those that agree in ever-increasingly vehement terms. Also, assemble more science to amuse myself.” – – admits that it will take the time to “gather” evidence (which it did not) and is amused by the entire content of this blog….TROLL…please se the rest on that same “defense” thread comment #209 my reply #210….Oh and therefor every comment posted by “it” after that lost credibility…as you can see in replies to comments #264,268,271,274.

    “Not that I’m at all bothered by incivility generally (it’s always good for a laugh when someone’s hair trigger goes off and they start ranting at me)” – – another trolling attempt at instigating a reaction and what happened?…you guessed it….also “it’s always good for a laugh….”….enough said.

    “No man was ever more rightly hanged, as was said of John Brown a century and a half ago. Better yet, some of y’all can find comfort in the fact that at least one of your opponents is a miserable excuse for a man although the fact that he is anti-SSM doesn’t seem to have much to do with his expulsion.”- – I don’t know where to begin.

    “But they can be easily irritated which is why Measure 36 passed: the typically liberal do-whatever-you-want keep-Portland-weird Oregonian got annoyed enough with the antics of certain county commissioners to vote for something that’d just make the entire issue go away” – – in which “it” agreed with in a previous post….evidence of a anti-LGBTQQI rights supporter.

    “Fortunately, the status quo remains and gains power. Except for some dimwitted crap from the OCA, the status quo was pretty nice in Oregon for LGBT. Then the status quo ended… and now it’s explicitly illegal for gays to marry in the state. Hope you enjoy the same success disrupting other status quos,” – – 100% insulting and anti gay harassment as it is a reply to my statement on the “prop 8 harms children” thread comment # 83 and 84.

    “I do indeed think the ultimate computer would be a good impartial judge because it has no empathy or compassion.” – – there are not enough words.

    “I am, indeed, Commander Shepard of the SR-2 Normandy, Hero of the Skyllian Blitz, Savior of the Citidel, unifier of the geth, and destroyer of the Collectors. Gaze upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!” – – second verse same as the first.

    “In which it is conclusively demonstrated that it’s the Cheshire Cat’s world… we just live in it.” – – a reply to a clever little rhyme i created that was approved by several but yet again “it” did not deny the accusations…..an omission of denial is an admission of the accusations. see that rhyme on the “did they know justice…” thread comment #135.

    “I can READ dead people’s words on paper. It’s almost as if they wrote their beliefs down and such things were preserved and published for public availability.” – – “it” believes everything it reads as truth and fact…enough said.

    “With the minor difference that what the dead people who created the Constitution wrote tells the literate reader how the government was meant to function.” – – the psycho in this just jumps out at you yeah?

    “The severe edge is one that undergoes a gradual fade so that is many decades in the future.
    As to M36, P8, and Q1, the Constitution explicitly allows them, thus their existence (and the existence of similar laws in more than 30 other states).” – – one in which “it” voted for and the rest the evidence show ‘it” supports.

    “Kay (who enjoys wheedling convoluted logic out of people)” – – no!…no proof of trolling in that statement.

    “My solution would be to stick “hate crimes” laws in the same dustbin that Jim Crow resides in but that’s just the first step.” – – for the LGBTQQIA community the Hate crimes bill is a win but “it” wants them repealed….interesting.

    “It certainly took long enough… I’d been wondering why it seemed that no one had tried to bury one of these “hate crimes” laws but whatever their motivations, it seems as if someone is finally out to make the attempt. Progress comes in odd and unexpected ways.” – – again wants to get rid of hate crimes laws.

    “Libertarian Larry Elder put it nicely: “If I’m standing at an ATM and a Klansman hits me in the head with a brick, the operative word is not ‘Klansman’… it is ‘brick’.” No present laws are without the ability to fully punish assault, murder, rape, etc so hate crimes laws have punitive purpose unless it is to punish the thought instead of the crime.” – – Sarah Palin and other anti-LGBTQQIA Bigots said the same things mutiple articles have been posted on this site to prove it…therefore “it” agrees with them….hmmm?1

    “You don’t get to cry “leave me alone” and then directly aim a criticism at me without being responded to. Either stop trying to sneak in a bash against me or deal with being responded to. It’s your choice but I’m making every effort to respond to your statements without directing them at you personally.” – – I didn’t mention “it” by name but ASSumes I did…..also a hypocritical statement since all the above proves that “it” was the one doing the verbal bashing first.

    “Not anymore, Ronnie. You officially surrendered the right to hide behind “leave me alone” by trying to cleverly bash me without mentioning me by name.”….proves my point….ASSumed I was referring to “it” even though I did not mention “it” by name…guilty much?

    “No. You gave up the right to have that request respected with your little “I didn’t use your name” potshots.” – – ECHO ECHO ECHO!!!

    “I appreciate your thoughts and wall of text and thought that it deserved a serious reply (and wall of text).
    Kay” – – again no trolling in that statement….NOT!!!

    Now I must go take a shower because I feel like I am covered in Shite but I leave “it” with one little bit of PWNEGE (even though you will not agree because a Bigot never does):

    “You have been weighed….You have been measured…And you have absolutely…..Been found wanting…..Welcome to the New World. God save you, if it is right that he should do so.” – – Cast of “A Knight’s Tale” ca.2001

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    • 146. Ronnie  |  February 17, 2010 at 6:00 pm

      Quack!!!! Hacker…..banned every single person received an email that “it” was banned…..

      Julia…..”it” is a hacker….harassment……stalking…..cyber crime……..<3…Ronnie

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      • 147. John  |  February 18, 2010 at 6:07 am

        I get a little uneasy anytime I see someone here using “it” as an insult – particularly because it is used as an insult to so many TS people. I might just be a bit oversensitive here, but I don’t think anyone – even an immature high school boy – should be called “it”.

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        • 148. Ronnie  |  February 18, 2010 at 6:13 am

          We started using that as an easy way to reference a certain person without naming and names…even though that person always ASSumed we were talking about that person even when we weren’t….you see it just takes to much time to type out that person….<3…Ronnie

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        • 149. Linda  |  February 18, 2010 at 7:13 am

          John-I’m sorry. Of course no offense was meant; certainly none towards our TS family. But words can hurt, and I will not use that term again. Thanks for pointing that out.
          Love,
          Linda

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        • 150. Ronnie  |  February 18, 2010 at 8:49 am

          I apologize too but I think it is time that we redefine that word I mean if people of color can redefine the N-word than we can redefine this I-word….<3…Ronnie

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    • 151. Ronnie  |  February 17, 2010 at 6:05 pm

      Open you f-ing eyes TRASH BAG…the evidence has been posted PSHYCO!!!!!!!!!……QUACK!!!!

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    • 152. Linda  |  February 17, 2010 at 7:10 pm

      Ronnie–I’ve forwarded this post to CC; they’ll take care of ‘it’…again.

      No worries.
      Love,
      Linda

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    • 153. Ronnie  |  February 17, 2010 at 7:15 pm

      Thank you Linda….we had almost 2 whole days without “it” which probably means that “it” was blocked and Banned and it took that long for “it” to hack “its” way back in….and you noticed it starting right in with an insult and harassment….typical….<3…Ronnie

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      • 154. Linda  |  February 17, 2010 at 8:55 pm

        Ronnie-I just heard from Julia. ‘It’ used a different computer, and a different email. But both have been banned…again.

        Love,
        Linda

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        • 155. Ronnie  |  February 17, 2010 at 9:02 pm

          sweet…thank you Linda…and Thank you Julia I love you…xoxo….I almost lost my cool there for second…lol….but I didn’t curse…but let me tell you when I opened my email and saw that name I hit myself with my keyboard(not really but I wanted too)…<3…Ronnie

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          • 156. Linda  |  February 17, 2010 at 9:07 pm

            Yes, I know what you mean. But I just refuse to read the post. And this time I forwarded it to prop8trial@couragecampaign.org with a little note saying, ‘It’s back’….and Julia took care of it.

            SWEET!!!!

            Take care, Ronnie!
            Love,
            Linda

          • 157. Ronnie  |  February 17, 2010 at 9:12 pm

            You take too….<3…Ronnie

          • 158. Ronnie  |  February 18, 2010 at 6:14 am

            LOL…I meant you take care too, Linda…<3…Ronnie

  • […] Leubitz and his husband Brian Devine (and just for the record I was in attendance and their wedding was “THE picnic event of the mid-September time period in all of the western portion of […]

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    • 160. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 16, 2010 at 2:00 pm

      Hello. I have tried to post comments on the new thread ‘Ken Starr leaving California: Good Riddance,” but I keep getting a file not found error–404. I think it got mislinked to the VDay post thread. Can someone please fix this?

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      • 161. John  |  February 16, 2010 at 2:03 pm

        It looks like a link to a blog post that doesn’t exist. Maybe they forgot to post it? It’s dated today.

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      • 162. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 16, 2010 at 2:11 pm

        Exactly. And I have emailed the folks at CC about it. Julia, Rick, Brian, anybody listening?

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  • 163. Doug  |  February 17, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Ya know I just don’t understand the whole hate thing… where did this come from?? It’s NOT in the bible. The God of the bible is not about hate at all. He’s about LOVE.

    I am sooo at peace with who I am (yeah, it took awhile)
    but I don’t care who you love, all I care is that you love. It’s so freaking simple. All hate will ever do is burn up precious energy.

    LOVE is worth fighting for it is worth dying for if neccesary

    I hope you all had a great Valentines Day! Keep loving each other and yourselves

    Can I get an Amen up in here?

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    • 164. Ronnie  |  February 17, 2010 at 11:46 am

      AaaaaaIiiiiLovemen!!!…..Hallelu!!!….<3…Ronnie

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