Trial Re-enactment: Day 2

February 14, 2010 at 2:30 pm 37 comments

By Julia Rosen

The fine folks at the have posted the first clip from Day 2 of the trial re-enactment. Here it is for your viewing pleasure:

Entry filed under: Televising.

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  • 1. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 14, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    This is to say “Thanks” and to keep connected to the comments.

  • 2. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    If I say thanks is that being redundant?…..<3…Ronnie

    • 3. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 14, 2010 at 3:45 pm

      NO!! It’s another voice of appreciation for all the work that P8TT, CC and the video creators are doing to keep us informed. ;-)

      • 4. Ronnie  |  February 14, 2010 at 3:48 pm

        LOL….ok cool…. ; ) …..<3…Ronnie

  • 5. JPM  |  February 14, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Chapter 2, Day 2, is also available.

    Some of it doesn’t appear to have been quite edited properly, though. There seem to be some multiple takes of question/reply sequences in the video.

  • 6. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 14, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Hey, I’ll forgive them the mistakes. I’m starting to wonder if they can finish it before Judge Walker’s verdict, aren’t the closing arguments set to start on the 26th?

    • 7. Kathleen  |  February 14, 2010 at 7:36 pm

      I don’t think closing arguments have been scheduled yet.

    • 8. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 14, 2010 at 7:58 pm

      I believe Ally-3008 is correct. I remember thinking at the time it was announced that a Friday was an odd schedule, especially if it takes more than one day.

      • 9. dieter  |  February 14, 2010 at 8:45 pm

        I just read the transcripts, and it did indeed say closing arguments would be on February 26th. However it will still be a few weeks after that before he renders any decision.
        we are looking at until at least mid- March.

      • 10. Kathleen  |  February 14, 2010 at 9:27 pm

        If you read the transcript for Jan 27, you’ll see that Walker says he wants to leave the date for closing arguments open. He sets the Feb 26 deadline for the submission of “references to the evidence [the parties have] submitted in connection with [their] proposed findings and conclusions.”

        Walker then goes on to say “And, probably, by that time, I’ll have a much better idea of what kind of schedule we should set for the closing argument.”

        Unless plans change, he won’t even be setting the date for closing arguments until some time after Feb 26.

  • 11. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 14, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Thanks, Julia. I can always count on the Prop 8 Trial Tracker to keep me up to date with this.

  • 12. dieter  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:06 am

    here we go again..back to the rear of the line:

    Don’t ask when: Repeal of gay ban won’t be soon
    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama, Pentagon leaders and even former Vice President Dick Cheney think it’s time to end the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on gays in the military. But a repeal is probably years away.

    The two Defense Department officials appointed to lead a yearlong internal assessment — Gen. Carter Ham, commander of U.S. Army forces in Europe, and Jeh Johnson, the Pentagon’s chief legal counsel — met for the first time Feb. 9.

    As that study gets under way, officials were expected by mid-March to suggest ways to relax enforcement of the law. Of particular interest is minimizing cases of “third-party outings,” where a service member is kicked out after being reported by others to be gay.

    The protracted timeline is about more than giving military leaders time to assess the impact on troops and put new rules in place. The MULTIYEAR process also is a strategic way of getting troops used to the idea before they have to accept change. Politically, the timeline puts off congressional debate over lifting the ban until after elections this fall.

    • 13. Straight Dave  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:07 am

      I’m actually quite a bit more optimistic about this one, and take the AP story as reflecting only the opinion of the writer. Having been in the military, I know how thorough they can be when they want to eliminate any chance of failure. They are right to anticipate and prepare for any internal backlash. Maybe it shouldn’t take a year, but I don’t want them to just declare it done instantly with no plan for handling the resentment and grumbling that will likely occur in some spots.One of the keys to success in the British military (10 whole years ago!) was an effective complaint mechanism. Officers at all levels took it seriously and simply did not put up with any inappropriate or negative behavior. The exceptions quickly faded away once they realized they no longer had official support for their bigotry.

      So we take a year (actually end of 2010 so they say) to get to the point of laying out the plan of here’s what we’re going to do – rules, procedures, facilities, discipline, etc. They they need Congress to approve it. Since that usually takes a long time, the Pentagon should keep Congress in the loop all the way along, so that this doesn’t become a surprise on Jan 1.

      OK, so they want to avoid an election stress point, that’s just safe politics. But once that’s over with, I expect the pressure will increase tremendously for them to push the button. Taking a public stance they way they did, especially Adm Mullen as the top uniform, changes the game. When you have Colin Powell and Dick Cheney already signed up, that gives the lesser Republicans political cover to at least let it be and greatly raises the stakes for the moderates.

      If this drags on past January without looking like it’s in the home stretch, I expect a huge ruckus being raised from all corners of this country. The fuse has been lit and there’s no going back. With all due respect, Dieter, I think “Years” cannot possibly be politically feasible for anyone but the far right fringe.

      Hope I’m right.

      • 14. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:12 am


        Beautifully put. Thank-you. Peace, Felyx

      • 15. dieter  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:41 am

        the fact that you are OK with ANY rights being denied due to “safe politics” says volumes.
        I wonder how that argument would have gone over with blacks or women 100 years ago..

        gee it’s ok that you are slaves, and cannot vote…but get over it…..we wouldn’t want to upset the politicians chances of being re-elected now would we?.

      • 16. Straight Dave  |  February 15, 2010 at 4:36 pm

        Dieter, I am not OK with rights being denied. I am simply trying to be pragmatic. It’s a fine line to walk between demanding what you know to be “the right thing” and doing what you have to do to accomplish your goals. I am old enough to remember Martin Luther King’s admonition to “keep your eyes on the prize”. That means restraining your gut reactions in order to improve the odds of getting what you really want. Is it short-term satisfaction of spitting in someone’s face or the long-term goal of all your well-deserved rights?

        I don’t happen to believe that Congress always operates in a transparent and honorable manner. I think they do what they think is good for themselves. Since they currently control the laws, it would be in our best interest to maneuver around that system as best we can. If they become scared of reelection because of being seen as too supportive of gay rights, their instincts usually push them in a more conservative direction, regardless of where their hearts lie. They rarely vote their hearts IMHO.

        I am logically and emotionally totally with you, Dieter. I am also practically with you in trying to get this thing done. I don’t like them taking what I consider FAR TOO FREAKING LONG, but that is what they have decided to do. I think our best strategy is to stay visible and keep the pressure on them so that when 2010 is up and the elections are done, they feel like they have to move quickly.

        I may consider sharing with this community the letter I sent to the White House many months ago on DADT. I’m only one voice, but a lot of “one voices” do add up. Let’s keep the pressure on so that they don’t slack off at the end.

      • 17. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:10 pm


        You have a wonferful mind. I kinda wish I was a close friend.

        BTW, Congress’s ability to vote their own pay increase disturbs me.


      • 18. Ed-M  |  February 18, 2010 at 5:09 pm

        Thanks, Dave. I hope this doesn’t drag out either. There’s going to be a lot of angry queer people rising up and demanding an end to the Democrats’ pussyfooting around on LGBTIQQ equality if it does. The religious crazies will come out of the woodwork in droves, too. And guess who will be placed under a cone of silence by the news media? And whowill be given a megaphone by the same media?

    • 19. Bill  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:28 am

      When other countries decided to stop forcing LGTB soldiers to lie about their identity, they simply STOPPED FORCING THEM TO LIE.


      No ‘fancy’ studies, no ‘process,’ no ‘timelines.’

      Just a simple decree that people could not be thrown out of the military if they were gay. And that was the end of it.

      It really could not BE any more simple than that.

      And all of these ‘studies’ and ‘timelines’ are just a way to delay this.

      Either LGTB people are required to LIE about who they are in order to serve their country or they are NOT required to lie in order to serve their country. NOTHING AT ALL CHANGES. The same LGTB’s that serve RIGHT NOW will still serve.

      There. Problem solved. Stop throwing LGTB’s out of the military. How hard was that? America will drag its heels on this until 2050 if it can.

      • 20. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:40 am

        Not to mention wasting millions of tax dollars on it…but noooooo!!!….or economy is not still crumbling….the homeless population is not rising….the unemployment rate is still not low….the orphanages are not filled with kids….lets just spend all the LGBTQQI and straight tax money on studies and timelines (great power point presentations that they made on their tax paid for HP TouchSmart tm2’s)……You are so right Bill….it is that simple…”Just say welcome LGBT’s and stop throwing them out of the armed forces.”…but we all know they are as simple as a double sided coin….<3…Ronnie

    • 21. waxr  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:01 pm

      Why are they doing “a yearlong internal assessment”?

      All they have to do is observe that every country in the world which permits gays in the military has had not problem with it.

      On the other hand, an “internal assessment” will consist mostly of opinions which will be largely negative. Plus, it gives a whole year in which to avoid making a decision.

      • 22. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:09 pm

        waxr, I live in a miltary town, and most of the military here, except the very ignorant, support the repeal of DADT. Yes, there are some who think they have to be “Mr. Macho” in order to be a man, but they are not as common as people think. And the Brits are working with our people to inform them on how they handled integrating the LGBTQQI’s into their services and allow them to serve openly. Yes, it is a process. Mainly the ones that are having the biggest problem with it are the ones who do not know that they know someone who is LGBTQQI.

  • 23. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Whoa!!!!…check out this article……There is a great video to go with it….The article is called…”Is Meghan McCaine, Miss Maverick, Undermining Her Daddy?”

    • 24. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:27 am

      Oh I just found the video on youtube….Meghan….all I can say is honey you are FIERCE!!!!!…..<3…Ronnie:

    • 25. Straight Dave  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:33 am

      Oh that’s so great!
      Like father, like daughter (except when it’s me you’re rebelling against, honey).

      The McCain dinner table is gonna be such a pleasant place to be, what with the Senator being challenged by a far right looney this fall who thinks John is not conservative enough.

      • 26. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:40 am

        To be a fly on the wall in that household would be priceless….yeah?….<3…Ronnie

      • 27. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:10 pm

        Yes, it would be, ronnie. Only one small problem. I would be laughing so hard that I would burst out of my fly suit! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

      • 28. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:12 pm


  • 29. JPM  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Chapter 3, Day 2 now up

  • 30. Straight Dave  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:19 am

    “Senior British officers have been “quietly” advising senior American officers on how America can change DADT and ensure a similar success.”

    This was a quote from an article in “SOLDIER”, the official magazine of the British Army, (with an openly gay soldier on the cover, no less).

    It was published in July 2009.

  • 31. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Catholic University in Ohio Supports And Affirms Homosexual Lifestyle

    • 32. Bill  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:53 pm

      As a 40 year old ‘homosexual,’ I am STILL searching for this ‘lifestyle’ I hear heterosexuals screaming their heads off about.

      Exactly what ‘lifestyle’ is the ‘homosexual’ one???


      I get up at 5:30AM, get to the office by 7AM, work all god damn day so I can pay my mortgage and car and bills.

      Then I go to bed with the same person I’ve gone to bed with for over a decade.

      Is THAT the lifestyle they refer to when they reference the ‘homosexual lifestyle?’

      Or did I miss some sort of gay memo wherein I could be living a MUCH more FABULOUS life??????

      • 33. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:12 pm

        I think they actually believe that every LGBTQQI person lives the life of Will & Grace, Queer as Folk, and The L Word… Q to them is 1.) How do you know so much about those shows?…..and 2.) Why do you watch them?….lol……

        Newsflash Bigots…..there is this word called “Diversity”….yeah you know we have that too….hehehe……Do all straight people live like Harry Potter?…..Do all straight people live in “The Middle”?…..Do all straight people look like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie?….OMG I just had A shoop shoop shoop!!!!!…….lol…..<3…Ronnie

      • 34. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:14 pm

        lol Ronnie, suddenly Archie Bunker comes to mind.

      • 35. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:18 pm


      • 36. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:54 pm

        Yes, and LLB, even Archie changed his mind about LGBTQQI’s after he and Edith met Beverly LaSalle. In fact, when Beverly was brutally murdered by being beaten, Archie had to be restrained to keep from going after the ones who did it.

      • 37. Ed-M  |  February 18, 2010 at 6:20 pm

        The haterosexuals who scream about the “homosexual lifestyle” invariably think we gay, bisexual and queer men are all slim, tight and fit go-go boys dancing and having sex on bar floats during Gay Pride and then in the bars, parks and streets the other 364 days a year (that’s why they never venture into the cities!) and think similar thoughts about lesbians, bi and queer womyn, about transgendered and intersex people… and even those of us who identify as ‘straight’ but are questioning their sexuality. For proof: a hateful and ridiculous tract called “Doom Town.”


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