Always Fighting

February 15, 2010 at 11:47 am 230 comments

by Brian Leubitz

During the testimony of Dr. Gary Segura, one of the things he explained was that despite whatever gains we have made, the LGBT communicty is constantly fighting to keep them. To paraphrase Dr. Segura, political power is not only the ability to gain victories but also the ability to maintain them. Some groups easily make their past victories a step towards future gains. For us, we must constantly defend everything.

An example is the New Hampshire marriage legislation that was signed into law last year. A representative is now trying to repeal that measure, and throwing in some pretty vile attacks just for kicks.

The New Hampshire House will take up Wednesday two measures that attempt to repeal the state’s six-week-old gay marriage law, the AP reported.

One bill would repeal the gay marriage law approved by lawmakers last year, while the second defines marriage as a heterosexual union in the New Hampshire Constitution, effectively banning gay marriage and blocking the state Supreme Court from taking action. …

State Representative Nancy Elliott touched off a loud debate in the blogosphere after video of her testimony condemning gay sex at the hearing was posted on YouTube.com. The video was quickly taken down.(On Top Magazine

We must constantly defend that which we have while looking to improve our status. This is our lot. But it also means that there is a real reason why the courts can, and should, step in. They are charged with the task of protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority. In this case, we have seen a political system that doesn’t seem up to the task of protecting minority rights. Striking down Prop 8 would be a valid and justified use of the judiciary’s power of review.

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  • 1. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:54 am

    It is interesting to note that of the few areas of the US that have legislated marriage/civil union rights for LGBT, Iowa seems the least disposed to revoking those rights. Who would have thought the ‘people in the cornfields’ would be the most progressive of any Americans.

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    • 2. Brian Leubitz  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:14 pm

      Well, it’s not about being disposed or not disposed. The Iowa Constitution provides for a very limited initiative system, so you can’t just go get signatures like you can in California. They have to go through the legislature twice before it goes to the ballot. I think it also requires a supermajority both times, IIRC.

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      • 3. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:59 pm

        I understand the difference between CA and Iowa, but my comment is based on an article reporting the results of a poll of Iowa citizens. There seems to be little interest in starting the process to reverse this decision. The legal mechanism is very similar here in Indiana, but every legislative session new bills are introduced to push thru a constitutional amendment, which would take at least three years. Iowans just don’t seem to feel it is necessary.

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      • 4. erasure25  |  February 16, 2010 at 10:42 am

        My partner was born and raised in Iowa and the people there really do believe in letting people live and let live, according to him. Iowa is not a bible belt, red state. It is actually a fairly well-educated state with good universities. My partner was involved in the Caucuses when he was younger and it seems a lot of people there get into politics, meeting their reps, etc. Tom Harkin, Iowa’s popular Senator, does not support repealing marriage equality.

        From Wikipedia (I’m assuming this is a true quotation): “We all grow as we get older; we learn things, we become more sensitive to people and people’s lives,” said Harkin. “The more I’ve looked at that, I’ve grown to think differently about how we should live. I guess I’ve got to the point of live and let live.”

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    • 5. Brian Leubitz  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:15 pm

      To emphasize, if we had the same system in California, Prop 8 would never have gotten on the ballot.

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      • 6. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:30 pm

        Brian, what you cite is *exactly* the reason I believe that CA’s initiative system has outworn its usefulness. It’s time for that “law by yutzes with clipboards and grudges” system to go away.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 7. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:35 pm

        Can you imagine what would happen if the U. S. Constitution could be changed by a ballot measure? The mind boggles….

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      • 8. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:41 pm

        That would give new meaning to the phrase…”Here’s your new American Idol everybody”……hehehe…..<3…Ronnie

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    • 9. Bill  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:03 pm

      They are only ‘disposed to revoking’ these rights because they know that the way Iowa government works, it would not be on the ballot for voters to vote on until 2014 or 2015.

      Believe me, when that time rolls around, they will start this ALL over again. Trying to forcibly divorce people like they did in California.

      The more important point is WHY ARE PEOPLE ALLOWED TO VOTE ON ANOTHER HUMAN BEING’S CIVIL RIGHTS????

      Even more than pushing our OWN agenda, we should REALLY be working toward the prevention of the majority EVER having ANY say in the CIVIL RIGHTS of ANY minority EVER again.

      The heterosexual majority seems to feel that they have carved out some sort of gay exception to the United States Constitution, and they have proven themselves perfectly willing to REWRITE THE DAMNED THING, just so that they can carve their LGTB children right out of it altogether.

      Is THIS the level of morality for which the heterosexuals seek us to emulate?

      I will pass.

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      • 10. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:06 pm

        Bill, it is indeed disgusting what some people will get up to.

        I agree with you that this is a civil rights matter. There are straight people ::waves:: who stand with you as well, just as there were Caucasian people who stood with people of color in the 1960s.

        I think that what we have here is the amazing start of a real, organized civil rights movement on behalf of GLBT people. This is how it always starts — a group of concerned people willing to stand up and say “NO MORE!”

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 11. Bill  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:30 pm

        Hey stranger!

        I know that there are heterosexuals on our side. Hell, ain’t you one??? ; )

        But those aren’t heterosexuals, those are queer straight folks. (Like you! Our numero-uno!)

        Think about it. There’s a HUGE difference in the two!

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      • 12. PDXAndrew  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:32 pm

        Great… Thanks Fiona…. Now I’ve got that scene from the Disney Beverly Hills Chihuahua stuck in my head, where the army of dogs chant ‘NO MAS’ to all the degredations they face.

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      • 13. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:34 pm

        “NO MAS!!!!!”……..ROTFLMGAO!!!…hehehe….lol….<3…Ronnie

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      • 14. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:37 pm

        ROFLOL, Bill. I think my biggest fear is that other potential allies may be put off by the absolutely justified anger … and thus be afraid to stick their hands in the air and say “Hey, me too.”

        I am not talking about the liars who say “I was in favor of X until Y got all uppity.” Those people are full of excrement. But I suspect that there are some allies out there who may be unsure of their welcome.

        Love,
        Fiona (who is apparently the QSF Queen)

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      • 15. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 4:12 pm

        Yes, and our straight allies, fiona, such as you, straight Dave, and others whose MB names I cannot recall rght now, may or may not recall the fact that the NAACP was founded by a Jewish man. I also noticed on something I saw related to this that one of Courage Campaign’s supporting groups is the Southern Christian Leadership Council, which, If I remember correctly, was the council founded by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. So, yes, all of us who have ever had to fight for civil rights are very connected to each other. Some of us just need reminded of that. And I wish to thank you for reminding me. You are wonderful. ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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      • 16. G.Rod  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:23 pm

        Bill, could you sentiment be restated as, ‘even WHILE pushing our own agenda, we should be working toward the prevention of the majority ever having any say in the civil rights of any minority ever again”.

        Many who have commented here and elsewhere see broadening the tent as necessary, but most wonder how this can be effectively done. You suggest a way.

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      • 17. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:32 pm

        I am going to start adding the “A” in GLBT – from now on it’s GLBTA

        Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender and Allies

        http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/30932

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      • 18. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:44 pm

        I like that but lets be totally inclusive: LGBTQQIA….<3…RONNIE

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      • 19. ThatsMyCat  |  February 16, 2010 at 6:54 am

        Scream it from the rafters.

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      • 20. JQ  |  February 17, 2010 at 2:36 pm

        Why stop at LGBTQQIA. A to Z, no matter how you identify, you deserve equal protection under the laws and equal access to your rights.

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    • 21. Bill  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:05 pm

      @ Richard who stated, “I understand the difference between CA and Iowa, but my comment is based on an article reporting the results of a poll of Iowa citizens. There seems to be little interest in starting the process to reverse this decision.”

      Just wait until 2014 or 2015 my friend…

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      • 22. Ed-M  |  February 16, 2010 at 7:30 pm

        And how will same-sex marriage be revoked by referendum in Iowa in 2014 or 2015 unless SCOTUS rules against us? Will the h8ters be that much more numerous there?

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  • 23. TPAKyle  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:58 am

    The Elliott video, article from the local Nashua paper and a lively debate can all be found here:

    http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/606137-196/legislator-nashua-fifth-graders-taught-gay-sex.html

    This woman is a disgusting example of the challenges we face from the christianist religious zealots who are currently pushing their fundamental views on Americans in an effort to turn our country into a theocracy.

    God help us.

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    • 24. Bolt  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:11 pm

      I understand your disgust; however, I thought it was funny. It reflects the pure perverted homophobia that religious zealots are obsessed with. My jaw is still on the floor, and so is her visual that she projected so carefully.

      Did you see the constipated imbecile’s expressions sitting next too her?

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      • 25. TPAKyle  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:28 pm

        I laughed, I cried…. It was amusing up until the point you could see she was dead serious. Her associates were certainly caught off guard. She painted quite a picture that has garnered more than a few giggles on the Nashua Telegraph’s comment board. Video worth a view just to watch people squirm as she prattles on about poo poo being icky…

        NH residents are encouraged to write their local Representative and demand Elliott is removed from office. A copyable e-mail and website for Rep e-mail addresses is posted in the comment board.

        This certainly proves the point that Brian makes in his post today.

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      • 26. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:13 pm

        WTF!!!! is that….what is skull F-ing?…omm…I mean…umm…I can’t…I don’t what just happened….I don’t know whether to laugh or by offended….I mean…ha oh…..the.. in front of the speaker of the house?!!!…Holy christ’s body is a cracker…<3..Ronnie

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      • 27. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:14 pm

        wait no that comment was to the 2nd vid below…<3…Ronnie

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      • 28. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:17 pm

        Ronnie, I think it was voiced over.

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      • 29. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:18 pm

        I didn’t mean to re-broadcast it, but wanted you to see the comments from the youtube page

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      • 30. Billy  |  February 16, 2010 at 4:40 pm

        @Lesbians Love Boies

        That video is from http://www.theonion.com/content/index which is a VERY well done news parody. I personally love the onion. Some of the stories there are worth a good laugh or two.

        Wish the video of Elliott was from the Onion. But no, sadly it’s genuine idiocy. Only in America.

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    • 31. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:33 pm

      Hehehe…taken off of youtube…seriously what age do they think we are living in?!!!!!….Thank you Young Turks…….<3…Ronnie:

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      • 32. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 4:41 pm

        I still have to wonder, not what planet she is on, but what universe she lives in. It certainly isn’t the one I live in! Or maybe she is jealous because she thinks that gay men are getting more sex from their husbands than she is getting from hers!

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      • 33. pearlheartgtr  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:00 pm

        I watched the Nancy Elliott video and immediately thought of this wonderful video from The Onion:

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      • 34. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:09 pm

        oh my…

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      • 35. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:15 pm

        Lets try this again

        WTF!!!! is that….what is skull F-ing?…omm…I mean…umm…I can’t…I don’t what just happened….I don’t know whether to laugh or by offended….I mean…ha oh…..the.. in front of the speaker of the house?!!!…Holy christ’s body is a cracker…<3..Ronnie

        Ok good but I'm still like I don't know

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      • 36. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:19 pm

        lol. voice over

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      • 37. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:22 pm

        Can I request the the “no so cool” video that I truly accidentally put up, be removed. I really don’t want to encourage posting videos like this. I don’t care about the other one, but I really don’t want my name associated. Can I censor myself?

        lol, I really don’t care. I just really wish there was an ‘go back and edit’ function here.

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      • 38. ThatsMyCat  |  February 16, 2010 at 7:41 am

        Wonderbread with the crust cut off.

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      • 39. Ed-M  |  February 16, 2010 at 7:11 pm

        Seriously, that woman is a right-winged lunatic. First, she reduces same-sex marriage down to scatty gay male anal sex.

        First of all, love is more than just sex. She should know about that.

        Second, love operates the same, whether between two people of the same sex or the opposite sex.

        Third, doesn’t she realise that some gay men aren’t even into anal sex? Doesn’t she realise that the overwhelming majority of gay men who bottom (including me) are into anal sex won’t receive it we know there is dirt up there?

        Fourth, they teach it in fifth grade? Really!? I though schools held off on the frank sexual stuff until the students are more mature (at the legal age of consent =17 in most states)!

        At least she has since “apologised!!”

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      • 40. Ed-M  |  February 16, 2010 at 7:13 pm

        …gay men who bottom (including me) and are into…

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    • 41. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:45 pm

      I waded thru several screens of comments at NT and it would appear that the readers/electorate are more intelligent and of higher integrity than their Merrimac representative.

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  • 42. Bolt  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    While the legislative challenge in New Hampshire may be reflective of our claim that we need political protection from the federal court system, it is too late to submit this as evidence in the Perry v. Schwarzenegger trial, right?

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  • 43. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    “State Representative Nancy Elliott touched off a loud debate in the blogosphere after video of her testimony condemning gay sex at the hearing was posted on YouTube.com. The video was quickly taken down.”

    I said it before and I will say it again they don’t want to deny us marriage equality they want to re-criminalize LGBTQQI all together…but good luck doing that with over 2 million people who either are LGBTQQI or support us….<3…Ronnie

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  • 44. JuliaL  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    What is the truth behind this comment in the article linked in the post?

    “New Hampshire public schools are ‘showing presentations of anal sex … They are showing our fifth graders how they can actually perform this kind of sex … that is the context of the lesson, that ‘This is something that you, as a fifth grader, you may want to try,’ she said.”

    I have a friend who is convinced that any improvement in providing gays with their rights will result in young children being urged to try out sex with someone of the same sex. If she reads this comment, she will certainly hold it up to me as proof that she is correct.

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    • 45. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:41 pm

      JuliaL, Rep. Elliott has been publicly challenged to prove her statement, and has not done so.

      It’s scare-tactics nonsense and has no basis in reality.

      Love,
      Fiona

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    • 46. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:51 pm

      JuliaL — I doubt there is any school system in the US that does not apply rigorous tests of age-appropriate curriculum. Gay sex, and especially graphic depictions of such, would be rejected for elementary students and most likely HS as well. The woman is a flat out LIAR!!

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      • 47. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:54 pm

        Not to mention that the average fifth grader had a cell phone with video/photo capabilities……If that was shown it would have gone viral by now…..I’ll say it again what age do they think we are living in?!!…..<3…Ronnie

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      • 48. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:05 pm

        Ronnie – VERY good point!!

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    • 49. PDXAndrew  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:24 pm

      I would argue “but it would be alright to show pictures of hetero sex, to have a 5th grader prompted to ‘try out stragiht sex’?”
      Of course not.

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    • 50. Bill  |  February 15, 2010 at 4:00 pm

      “I have a friend who is convinced that any improvement in providing gays with their rights will result in young children being urged to try out sex with someone of the same sex. ”
      ___________________________________________

      If your friend truly feels that way, you should encourage her to attend school with her children, asshe is clearly as dumb as a box of hair and could use some good old fashioned elementary education.

      But truthfully, that’s the excuse straight folks use when there really isn’t an excuse. Screaming about ‘the children’ while participating in the Apartheid of society’s LGTB children is something only bottom-feeders would do.

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  • 51. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    On another note…this article from the associate press is just too delicious for words:

    “Polygamous Church in US names new president” by Jennifer Dobner

    http://www.nj.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/national-35/1266266089192340.xml&storylist=new_topstories

    “He faces three counts of bigamy for having allegedly married three adult women in 2005. Handwritten family records seized by police during the raid showed Nielsen may have as many as 21 wives.”- – (but I can’t have one husband?!!!)

    “In 2008 he (Wendell Loy Nielsen) was one of 12 men indicted by Texas authorities on criminal charges that followed a raid on the ranch after an allegation that a teen bride had been physically and sexually abused.” – – (and how is ok that the LDS church was allowed to fund prop ha8te wile so many are doing illegal things themselves?!!!!!!)

    “”It’s a very uncomfortable discussion,” Jessop said. “If we have different belief from the Utah attorney general’s office, it seems to be a source of prosecution.” – – (but its ok that you persecute LGBTQQI Americans?!!!!!!)

    I mean..ummm…what?!!…I don’t…I can’t….seriously?!!!

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    • 52. David from Sandy UT  |  February 15, 2010 at 2:23 pm

      The fundamentalist FLDS organizations are not a part of the so-called normal LDS organization. There are several different, independent FLDS organizations, and their membership is tiny compared to the much larger “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” the organization with world headquarters in Salt Lake City UT, which also is the organization that issued letters to every congregation in California instructing LDS members to donate time and money to Calif. Prop. 8.

      Back in the day, the LDS organization performed polygamous, so-called plural marriages (I’m sure your high school history text books had at lease a paragraph on the Mormon colonization of what is now Utah, if not, please search the web for LDS leaders Joseph “I married a 14-year-old” Smith or Brigham “Bring’em” Young). The LDS organization suspended plural marriage as a condition of statehood for Utah (but never changed LDS doctrine or repudiated the practice). Splinter groups of individuals who objected to the suspension of plural marriage became the so-called FLDS organizations.

      I have no respect for current LDS leaders because of their clear intent to hurt same-gender couples and their children. Nevertheless, please check your facts before you condem the LDS organization for things done by members of the FLDS splinter groups

      David

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      • 53. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 2:33 pm

        It’s semantics that’s all it is…FLDS or LDS they both are against LGBTQQI people….they condemn us for the actions of a few…they should be held accountable for the hypocritical and contradictory actions….I know all this about them and still choose to point them out and check them on it…..They only Mormons who I will support are the ones who support us…other then that the rest are up for grabs…..<3…Ronnie

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      • 54. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 4:08 pm

        I mean don’t get me wrong…I have nothing against the Mormon sects who whole heartedly support us…. there are some who have joined in the fight against the rest of the LDS and I love them for that…. but the FLDS is not one of them as far as I know….Dustin Lance Black is an ex-Mormon but wasn’t he a member of that same Texas Mormon Sect?….am I wrong here that the fundies are against marriage equality I mean I know they stay out of politics sort’ve but can somebody tell me the complete 411..I tried looking online but I’m just getting a run around….<3…Ronnie

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      • 55. Michelle Evans  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:10 am

        But we all know that “Big Love” is actually a documentary, right? :-)

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      • 56. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 7:24 am

        hehehe….Michelle…that was great….<3…Ronnie

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  • 57. David from Sandy UT  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    UTAH BIGOTRY ALERT!

    Religionist bigotry is a real, serious, every-day issue here in Utardia—The Pretty Hate State (a.k.a. Utah).

    The anti-equality religionists in the Utah State Senate have taken the LGBTQ community hostage and are trying to suppress First Amendment freedom of speech.

    PLEASE help us alert all equality-loving Americans to the situation here in Utah!

    Please consider the following from The Salt Lake Tribune, “Legislators hold off studying expansion of anti-bias rulings,” Rosemary Winters, electronic version updated 02/06/2010 07:39:59 AM MST (http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14344262):

    [Utah Senate President Michael Waddoups (R-Taylorsville UT)] said he has a “message” for all Utahns.

    “Our citizens shouldn’t be doing things that are discriminatory. If they are — and if that’s the information we gather during the next year — that will push legislation to deal with that in that direction,” Waddoups said. “If the LGBT community are doing offensive activities in a public setting, that will push legislation in the other direction.”

    When asked what he considered to be “offensive activities,” Waddoups said, “I don’t know, anything that would draw us into drafting legislation [against the LGBT community].”

    Jacob Whipple, a gay activist who has led gay-rights rallies in Salt Lake City, said Waddoups shouldn’t expect LGBT Utahns to be quiet.

    “In other words, he wants us to shut up and sit down and quit rocking the boat,” Whipple said. “The LGBT community should be as loud and as visible as necessary so that all of our stories and our hurts and our needs can be displayed for the people of Utah so the proper legislation will be enacted.”

    [End of quote]

    Utah Senate President Waddoups and his ilk are holding the Utah LGBTQ community hostage. These so-called leaders threaten to introduce bills that would kill anti-discrimination ordinances like those recently adopted by Salt Lake City and Salt Lake County and to prevent other communities from adopting similar anti-discrimination ordinances. The hostage taking has resulted in pro-equality bills being put on hold for what some people describe as a one-year-long-truce.

    Horse Excrement!

    The politically powerful bigots do not want “the uppity gays” to use their First Amendment freedoms to speak out against prejudice and discrimination in Utah society.

    Surprisingly, the Locally Dominant Sect (a.k.a. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) came out in favor of the Salt Lake City ordinance and separately called on members of the legislature not to quash these anti-discrimination ordinances or similar ordinances being considered by other communities.

    Here is one response to Waddoups bigotry:

    From Rosemary Winters blog post for Feb. 15, 2010 (http://blogs.sltrib.com/lgbt/index.php?p=11326&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1):

    “About 75 people attended the LGBT sit-in at the Utah Capitol on Friday. Protesters wrapped their mouths in white cloth in response to a suggestion made by Senate President Michael Waddoups that members of the LGBT community refrain from “offensive activities” in public if they want to avoid anti-gay legislation in 2011. The demonstration also was a response to a 2010 moratorium on any bills affecting LGBT Utahns.” [Please see the blog page for pictures.]

    I call on all equality-minded, freedom-loving Americans to help us end hostage-taking and religionist bigotry here in Utah.

    Please tell your friends, your relatives, your friends’ friends, your relatives’ friends, your friends’ relatives—PLEASE tell everyone you know about what is happening here in Utah.

    Please tell your state senators, the Republican leaders in your state senate, state representatives and their Republican leaders, leaders of your state Republican Party, national Republican leaders, etc., that Utah Republicans are single-handedly destroying any credibility or good-will that Republicans may still have.

    Please demand that everyone who loves equality and personal freedom contact Utah Senate President Waddoups at waddoups@utahsenate.org. Tell Waddoups that religion-based prejudice and discrimination have no place in American society. Tell him in the strongest possible language what freedom-loving Americans think about hostage taking and threats against our fellow citizens. (Yes, friends, this so-called leader has threatened retaliatory legislation against the LGBTQ community to try to suppress criticism of Utah religion-based bigotry.) Tell him to stop destroying his own political party.

    David
    Sandy UT

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    • 58. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 2:15 pm

      WOW!!!!!….I don’t know what to say other then it seems that the LDS is looking for violence..JMHO!!!!!……<3…Ronnie

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  • 59. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    That’s it!…That’s what we should do….a new reality show…”Amendment Idol”….its awesome anyone of 13 and older would be able to vote as much times at they want….It would be really good for the gov and economy….you know they can use the money for NASA, welfare, repairing roads and highways, feeding the homeless, shelters, making healthcare more affordable, Financial aid for college, bombing Iran(hint sarah palins suggestion) ect. ect. ect…….well unless you are ATT&T subscriber…..lol….<3…Ronnie

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  • 60. Alec from SC  |  February 15, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    I sent her a email regarding my thoughts.

    Thank goodness it’s on camera. Because I feel that the public will react poorly towards her. As they would have in the Prop 8 trail going on. We need to expose these people who make crazy comments.

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    • 61. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:52 pm

      Alec, what part of SC are you in?

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  • 62. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Anti-gay marriage bill dies in committee
    New Mexico

    “An attempt to define marriage as between on man and one woman failed in the Senate Rules Committee Monday by a vote of 5-2. Sen. William Sharer, R-Farmington, had proposed a constitutional amendment that would have added the phrase “Marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman,” to the state constitution.”

    http://newmexicoindependent.com/47594/anti-gay-marriage-bill-dies-in-committee

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    • 63. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 2:25 pm

      haha….Score!!!…..the Bigots are falling like the trees after the after an eruption…..Like I said you can ignore a sleeping volcano but you can not ignore the eruption…..BOOM!!!!…..hehehe…<3…Ronnie

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    • 64. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 15, 2010 at 2:41 pm

      Nice catch, LLB! GAME OVER!

      And look at how far-reaching Perry v. Schwarzenegger is:

      Sen. Peter Wirth, D-Santa Fe, a sponsor of the domestic partnership bill, quoted the conservative case for gay marriage from conservative lawyer Ted Olson, in opposing the bill.

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    • 65. David Kimble  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:10 pm

      I’m back for a few minutes – I wanted to respond this post, since as I recall, the same was tried in California and soundly defeated at the Congressional level, which is why the PropH8 took to the ballot and to write discrimination into law. <3 David

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      • 66. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:15 pm

        Dear David:

        Please take care. I am worried about you.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 67. David Kimble  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:25 pm

        Thanx, Fiona, I am no longer have the dry heaves and I was able to eat a little bit this morning and it is still down. I guess, what I am saying is they may feel their presence here, at this website, constitutes an inate right, but when cause me to get phyisically ill, they have gone too far.
        <3 David

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      • 68. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:34 pm

        David, *all* of us wholeheartedly concur that the bullying and triggering hate speech has *got* to stop. It has been reported, believe me.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 69. Bill  |  February 15, 2010 at 4:12 pm

        The California Legislature TWICE passed marraige equality bills.

        BOTH times, they were vetoed by Arnold Schwarzenegger. Who was too chicken shit to sign it, either time.

        But then, he also acted all ‘awww shucks’ when Prop 8 passed. Making comments about it being discrimination and such.

        Who would have thought that Hollywood’s tough guy was the biggest pussy in California?????

        Schwarzenegger himslef could have prevented the entire Prop 8 stupidity if he were man enough to do the right thing.

        It’s sickening, really. Sickening.

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      • 70. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 4:15 pm

        “I’ll Be Whack”………hehehehe……lol…<3…Ronnie

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      • 71. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 4:33 pm

        Or better yet Ronnie…

        I’ll be Kwack! lololol

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      • 72. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 4:35 pm

        ROTFLMGAO!!!!!!….oh I love that we started that….<3…Ronnie

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      • 73. Andrea  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:13 pm

        Bill – The California Legislature is not allowed to change laws passed by ballot initiative. Prop 22 was still on the books back then. That’s why Schwarzenegger had to veto the bills.

        It’s lame, but it’s true.

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  • 74. PDXAndrew  |  February 15, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    “The video was quickly taken down.”

    once again, the Religious Reich wants to hide all their dirty secrets and nutjobs. They’re like cockroaches, scurrying from the light.

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    • 75. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 2:55 pm

      unfortunately they are just as dense as their knowledge ow what era we are living in it….once the video was posted it was out there…..if there is any life out their in the universe 40 light years away they will be seeing this video in what 40 years…I don’t remember how that works..anyway I posted the video because the Young Turks still have it posted….they reichies truly are immensely ignorant and naive…..<3…Ronnie

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  • 76. David Kimble  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    I want to thank all of you for remaing strong and so supportive of each of us. It touches my soul beyond measure! I should have known there would be the lurkers here, who have one aim – to destroy our cause. Yet , they cannot kill an idea born out of freedom and love. I see the day, when their smugness will be seen for what it is – bigotry born out of ignorance, which must not stand. We will make our voices heard through protests (peaceful – I hope) and by shining our light into those dark crevasses, where no one had travelled yet, we must stamp-out those ideas born in ignorance with love and tenderness, however we must make it clear, we will not compromise. <3 David

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    • 77. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:43 pm

      David,

      ‘K’ has been called out for what he is. School just got out so we shall see in a few hours what will come of it. I think your absense and the complaints are catching the notice of the moderators…just relax….I sure our site will be pleasant again.

      Love,
      Felyx

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    • 78. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 4:33 pm

      You gotta gotta….try a little tenderness!!!!!…..hehehe…<3…Ronnie

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    • 79. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:06 pm

      David,

      Take my advice and gaze at this graph for a while, you’ll feel much better. :)

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    • 80. G.Rod  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:57 pm

      David, neither will they compromise, and they are in the majority, and our collective social institutions are on their side. Have you not noticed that they voices are much louder and they can easily turn of energy sources for your light.

      As long as mainstream religions and politics are permitted to intertwine, bigotry is not viewed as born out of ignorance but blind faith. Each considers their cause is just and their God of justice and love is on their side.

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  • 81. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Thank you once again, Brian, for another well-written blog post. I wonder just how many of these people realize or even care about the harm they are inflicting on so many of us and our families through their indecent refusal to grant us our full civil rights, and also by their incomprehensible rancor and attempts to shove us back into the closet, which is a storage room for clothing, not a living place for human beings. When will they wake up to the fact that we are so similar to them, that our lifestyle is just about as mundane and boring as theirs, and just leave us alone to live out loud ?

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  • 82. Bill  |  February 15, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    With the CDC reporting that 38% of heterosexuals engage in anal sex, one might ask State Representative Nancy Elliott if she needs some toilet paper from her mouth or her ass.

    Statistically speaking, anal sex is by and large a HETEROSEXUAL activity.

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  • 83. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    David, this one is for you. This is a song I first heard when Mark Wills recorded it, and I hope that someone can find the video for it.

    “Don’t Laugh at Me”

    I’m a little boy with glasses, the one they call the geek;
    I’m the girl who never smiles, ’cause I’ve got braces on my teeth;
    And I know how it feels to cry myself to sleep.
    I’m that kid on every playgorund who’s always chosen last;
    A single teenage mother trying to overcome my past;
    You don’t have to be my friend–is it too much to ask?

    DON’T LAUGH AT ME, don’t call me names;
    Don’t getyour pleasure from my pain.
    In God’s eyes, we’re all the same;
    Someday we’ll all have perfect wings;
    DON’T LAUGH AT ME.

    I’m the cripple on the corner, you pass me on the street.
    No, I wouldn’t be out here begging if I had enough to eat.
    And don’t think I don’t notice that our eyes never meet.
    I lost my wife and little boy when someone crossed that yelllow line;
    The day we laid them in the ground is the day I lost my mind.
    And now I’m down to quarters, and little cardboard signs.

    DON’T LAUGH AT ME, don’t call me names;
    Don’t get your pleasure from my pain.
    In God’s eyes, we’re all the same
    Some day we’ll all have perfect wings
    DON’T LAUGH AT ME.

    I’m fat, I’m thin, I’m short, I’m tall;
    I’m deaf, I’m blind, hey aren’t we all?

    DON’T LAUGH AT ME, don’t call me names;
    Don’t get your pleasure from my pain.
    In God’s eyes we’re all the same
    One day we’ll all have perfect wings
    DON’T LAUGH AT ME.

    ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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    • 84. David Kimble  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:34 pm

      Thank you, Richard, what a beautiful thought. <3 David

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      • 85. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:40 pm

        You’re welcome, David.♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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    • 86. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:21 pm

      The first time I heard that was at a Peter, Paul & Mary concert. I cried and cried.

      That was the night I got to meet Peter & Paul (I think I’ve written about this experience before). PP&M are real heroes of mine. Peter Yarrow has used this song as the basis for Operation Respect, a school program to eliminate bullying.

      Love,
      Fiona

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      • 87. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:30 pm

        Thank you, fiona.♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
        I can identify with this song, as I was the little boy with the glasses, and I was also the last one chosen for playground games. And I know someone in Charleston, WV who is homeless even though he was a licensed lawyer, and his story is the same as the man in the second verse. I find it hard to laugh at someone else who is downtrodden, because I have been there too many times, in too many ways. However, I have really gained a lot from this site, and from all of our legitimate Trial Trackers, especially the righteous straight allies we have here like you and Jeff, Straight Ally #3008, Straight Dave, and Mr. Little, among others. You guys have no idea just how much your support means to me. Thank you so much. ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

        Richard

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    • 88. Regan DuCasse  |  February 26, 2010 at 3:38 pm

      I love country western music and songs like this are so beautiful and sensitive. I remember this song well.

      There are so many in the genre worth noting FOR their words, when so many ‘songs’ have been reduced to their percussive base, or are sampled altogether as if words don’t matter any more or can be incorporated for the power they can have to remind us of what we really are in the world, what we could mean to each other if we paid attention.

      I like just how evocative “Don’t Laugh At Me” is. Reminds me of others…
      Like the song “Skin” by Rascal Flatts or “How Do You Get That Lonely” by an incredible KID named Blaine Larson.

      Thanks for posting this, the words are straight to the heart.

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      • 89. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 26, 2010 at 4:10 pm

        Thank you, Regan. I too love CW music, and I remember Blaine Larsen and “How Do You Get That Lonely?” That one hit home, because I know exactly how you can get that lonely. And there are so many songs I have heard that pertain to this fight for equality, Carrie Underwood has a beautiful one on her first CD called “I Want to Be Inside Your Heaven” that I intend to learn between now and June to sing to my husband in Danbury CT when we get married legally. Keep posting.

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  • 90. David Kimble  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    I wanted to share with everyone part of a speech, I delivered in 1982, while in College in Washington State – I hope everyone will enjoy it. <3 David
    THE WORLD IS A CHANGED PLACE
    By
    David V. Kimble
    The world is a place of change with palatial opulence all about me – I wander through the streets with a dazed sense of being. Through the windows, I see happy couples strolling endlessly through the provincial markets and spaces. Their eyes fixed upon the latest gadget with envy, they do roam. Still, my world is very different than theirs, mine is a world surrounded by people, who have few kind words to share with me; meanwhile their arrogance and piety ooze hatred from their pores towards me, since I was born different than they and see the world through alabaster-rimmed glasses. My world consists of lonely days, made-up of endless chores and duties, yet my heart cries with a voice that shouts from soul to set me free. Set me free, from what, you quandary of me – to set me free, like a bird that soars on the east wind and makes it way home; to make my world more friendly to me and those of my kind – you see I am gay. I did not wake one morn and decide, this would be my folly, and no I was innately born gay, like those, who make their home in San Francisco a world I can only dream about; a world where I could wed the one I loved and live together all the days of our lives in happiness and bliss. A world, where I was not judged by whon I love, but by the length and breadth of my love – a world, where the sexes were juxtaposed in the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner or Romeo and Juliet – I long for such a world of beauty and peace. I long for a world that is accepting of me and does not want to beat me with a club or display their anger towards me with such disgust. Perhaps, my world does not exist, but I know it must for I have seen it my dreams, yet the world tells me I am wrong in disgust. In the Churches, the bells peal in synchronized tone and announce the wedded bliss of yet another happy couple, yet for me, they remain silent, muffled by the Christian bigots. They see me in sin, yet, I have not offended them by any means. I only wish to live, as I was born. They preach their sermons with such fright and fear and they cannot see they offend me by their words.
    In the words of Dr. Martin Luther King; “I have a dream…,” well I too have a dream – I dream of a time in the world, when who you love is not measured by such quaint themes, but rather by the deepness of your love for one another. I dream of a world, where hatred was washed away by love. I dream of a world, where brotherhood and sisterhood carried their banners to every corner of the universe. Now you say, but ‘tis just a dream. I reply, yes, it is but a dream that I have dreamt, but all great ideas begin with a dream of hope.

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    • 91. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:23 pm

      WOW!!!!……can I get a Hallelu?!!!!!!!!…….<3…Ronnie

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      • 92. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:27 pm

        Hallelu! Hallelu! Hallelujah!!

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    • 93. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:26 pm

      Thank you, David. And together, as we continue to fight, your dream of seeing love judged on its depth and breadth and commitment rather than on the genders involved, will become a reality. I for one refuse to stop fighting now.

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      • 94. David Kimble  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:33 pm

        Thank you, Richard and all this site. I shared only a part of the speech I delivered at College – the rest of the speech goes on to speak about change. I received a standing ovation after delivering this speech and I don’t there was a dry eye in the place, me included! <3 David

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      • 95. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:39 pm

        And if the rest of the speech was anything like the part you shared, you earned that standing ovation. This is a piece that is not only well-written from a technical standpoint, but well-written from the standpoint of coming straight from the heart. And I had to dry my eyes before I posted my response. I hope to soon read and/or hear the rest of that speech.♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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    • 96. Straight Dave  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:59 pm

      I cried reading this, David K.
      You only want what every one else wants.
      It is hard for me to fully appreciate the emotional strain you experience as a result of the world not accepting you as you are. I know that there is nothing wrong with you. You and many others have now come to that conclusion, which I hope allows to you live at peace.

      To make such a speech 28 years ago is quite impressive. I admire your guts in doing so. What I think has changed since then is a great swell of support from straight people who have no personal stake but appreciate your position and understand that we have much in common.

      One of the things we have in common is a strong resentment of uninformed bigots trying to tell others how to live,as if they have a monopoly on righteousness. As an atheist, I have felt the sting of strong public disapproval. The most incongruous position of all is from the folks who subscribe to the view that “The Lord God Made Them All”. Since He did, and you are all His creations, who are we to criticize His handiwork? But they never seem to notice the inherent conflict in their views.

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      • 97. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:03 pm

        Straight Dave,
        wrt to your comment about those who do not have a personal stake in our struggle for equality, I think that most of the people who, like you, have supported us, realize deep down the truth that until all of us are free, then none of us are truly free. Not to negate your support, but rather to help you see why your support is so important to us. You see, when people who may not have a stake as far as marriage support us in our fight to gain marriage equality, it reminds us that others do see us asthe loving, worthwhile human beings that G-d made us to be, and that is so important. I remember during the summr of 1986 when I worked with an AIDS support agency (non-profit, totally volunteer), just what it meant to the patients I was assigned to as a helper, when they saw that I did not shy away from them, I did not treat them as less than me. And when I had to attend 15 funerals in 15 days I requested a sabbatical, and it was granted. You see, that was in the earlydays of the crisis, when the average life expectancy from diagnosis with HIV to death from complications of AIDS was less than 5 years. And the patients I was working with died too quickly for me to be able to mourn any of them properly, so my emotional system simply shut down. So, yes, while you y think you do not have a personal stake in this fight, and while there are others who may not seem to have a personal stake in this fight, everyone who believes in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and what they stand for as far as freedom, everyone who considers himself or herself a true American, has a stake in this fight. And I for one, applaud the courage of all of my fellow Trial Trackers here, whether you are LGBTQQI or one of our Allies. Together, we shall win this fight.♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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    • 98. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:43 pm

      ::standing ovation::

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    • 99. Ed-M  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:33 pm

      Allelujah!

      Do I have an Amen, somebody?

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      • 100. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:38 pm

        AaaaaaaIiiiiiiiLoveMen….hehehe….<3…Ronnie

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  • 101. David Kimble  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Halleluia! <3 David

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  • 102. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Warning to all legitimate Trial Trackers! It’s Back!!!! I just got an email with its first post of the evening!

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    • 103. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:48 pm

      It seems I have raised my dog(long haired chihuahua very well…I just said “it” out loud and He started growling….If you were here right now you would be able to see how hard I am laughing….Now as I type this he is howling…hehehe….<3…Ronnie

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    • 104. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:48 pm

      *schmack* pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ʎɯ uo ʇuɐldǝɔɐɟ *end schmack*

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      • 105. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:00 pm

        LLB, how did you get the type to turn upside down? I like that!♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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      • 106. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:02 pm

        I was wondering the same thing for a second there I thought I was turning into “it”…lol……<3…Ronnie

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      • 107. Straight Dave  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:03 pm

        Barb, ya gotta tell me how you did that!
        I consider myself pretty geeky, but I have no clue. please share.

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      • 108. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:05 pm

        http://www.typeupsidedown.com/

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      • 109. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:09 pm

        sweet…and all we do is type then copy and paste?….thank you btw….LLB…..<3…Ronnie

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      • 110. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:20 pm

        Barb/LLB, Thank you. Not only for how to type upside down, but also the post from the Unitarian minister. Once again, I have tears streaming becuase it is so wonderful to read about the support we have from the more rihteous embers of the straight community, even if they are not one of the righteous ones who are legitimate Trial Trackers. ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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    • 111. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:25 pm

      School must be out and supper over.

      Love,
      Fiona

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      • 112. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:32 pm

        Yes. Of course, I have to wonder where Mommy and Daddy are during all this? Aren’t there child abuse and neglect laws to cover this type of behavior?

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  • 113. David Kimble  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Thanx, Richard, I think I will leave for a while, but I will return later… <3 David

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  • 114. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    On the Specttrum — What better gift for Valentine’s Day than support for freedom to marry

    http://www.record-bee.com/ci_14406429

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  • 115. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    One Day We Will Always Have Had Gay Marriage

    “And one day, the day will come– and it may not be in my lifetime, or yours– but one day, the day will come when marriage fairness will be a given. And 18 year old children off to college, will be able to say– there has always been gay marriage.”

    http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/civil-religion/churchstate/2010/02/one-day-we-will-always-have-had-gay-marriage/

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  • 116. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Reverend Billy Holds an “UnMarriage Until Gay Marriage” Ceremony on Valentine’s Day

    Article: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/02/reverend_billy_5.php

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  • 117. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    OFFTOPIC:

    The Five Most Gay-Friendly Things About the 2010 Winter Olympics

    http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/the_five_most_gay-friendly_things_about_the_2010_winter_olympics

    You’d find me hanging out at the Pride House : )

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    • 118. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:55 pm

      Not O.T. at all…..we all know know what “it” I mean is O.T……Thank you LLB….I love love LOVE!!! the Gaympics….<3…Ronnie

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      • 119. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:00 pm

        I actually don’t know what the “it” was, but I can surely guess, and David’s post below is most likely related. I just meant Off Topic by it not being directly about same sex marriage.

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  • 120. David Kimble  |  February 15, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    OH, Kay, here is proof for your feeble mind to grasp –
    Hi David,

    Both of them have now been banned. The abuse should stop now.

    Sorry that you were subjected to that. We are attempting to strike a balance between providing a space for respectful dialogue and community.

    -Julia
    <3 David

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    • 121. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:08 pm

      Good to hear David.

      I may be wrong, but some people think they have a right to speech on a forum like this. Although this is technically a public domain (ie the internet), it is private enterprise of Courage Campaign. There is no right to free speech here.

      I think CC removing posters that are incapable of being civil is just.

      Thank you CC.

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      • 122. David Kimble  |  February 16, 2010 at 7:05 am

        There is no right on Earth or in Heaven above that can grant “free speech” to those who pursue the course hatred and bigotry.<3 David

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      • 123. fiona64  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:23 am

        Unfortunately, those who skipped high school civics class to go play football are unaware that freedom of speech doesn’t come with a guaranteed audience. Furthermore, LLB is correct; the Internet is not a free speech zone but, in fact, is governed by each site’s terms of service. Violators can be and will be removed by the site owner(s) at their discretion.

        Love,
        Fiona

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    • 124. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:11 pm

      Thank you Julia. Thank you so very much. Felyx

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      • 125. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:29 pm

        I was not here earlier and so I am sure I missed it. I did not get a response to my letter like David so it was nice to see his reply from Julia.

        Richard will confirm that I called him this morning and asked if he could get in touch with some of you via alternative channels regarding the harassment. (I am sort of left out because I cannot access facebook from here.)

        I thought I would share my letter with everyone…I guess just because I I was trying in my limited way to disenable ‘K’ and I wanted all of you to know how I care. Thank you again to everyone. Felyx

        To the CC Moderators,

        This site is immensely valuable to me and provides me with a sense of community. While I welcome intelligent conversation or even wild ranting at times, sophisticated harassment and verbal gay bashing is uncomfortable and depressing. I find the amount of time responding defensively to ‘Kay Moore’ is severely detracting from the time I want to spend on this site.

        ‘Kay’ appears to be a very young man who goes to school and watches Dinotopia which is specifically geared to a teenage audience. He has very little command of German and evades being specific regarding employment or religion/spirituality further suggesting his age. His intention has become explicitly clear when he posted this comment (edited):

        “Of course it’s play for me, Linda. …. People get the treatment from me that they ask for… …. I’m not going away … I have no incentive to wander off to boards and forums where I have to worry about a challenge. … I haven’t actually said anything that a literate observer could construe as “hate” … you belittle yourselves with the products of your imaginations and I lounge here happily and proudly blameless.”

        Taken somewhat out of context nonwithstanding, the comment posted is inflamatory and meant to ‘push buttons’ in order to solicit sniping. The response posts are testiment to this.

        I will again state, I am uncomfortable with this poster and am turned off to participation with those who are serious regardless of personal position. (Something which I will note that ‘Kay’ does not seem to take; furthermore suggesting, not a serious participant in the marriage debate but rather juvenile harasser.)

        Thank you for taking my concerns into consideration,

        Sincerely,
        [Felyx]

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      • 126. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:39 pm

        Yes, folks Felyx did call me, and I was able to get the word to a few of you, at least I hope it got to you. And I agree. This individual is nothing more than a teenager who is trying to earn the internet equivalent of a gay-bashing merit badge in whatever little ignorant society he is a member of. I won’t even call it a redneck society, because most rednecks who lve by the code of the true redneck would not even enter the same gender marriage debate, simply because they believe that who you marry is your own business, just so long as you are happy with your spouse.

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      • 127. Felyx  |  February 16, 2010 at 5:07 pm

        Yesterday’s News, but I wanted to follow up. The letter was very meaningful to me. Felyx

        Hi [Felyx],

        Thank you for writing in to express your concerns about “Kay Moore”.

        I’d given them a lot of slack, but it is clear that they are a disruptive force within the community.

        Therefore, they have now been banned from participating. Please let me know if they pop up again, but the blockers should work.

        Julia

        I am extremely ill at the moment and it has taken me four hours just to post this since I keep falling asleep. Zo by default I will heed Linda’s advise and simply not respond should anyone untowardly start posting. (LOL) I will still be reading when I can so I am still with you. I love you all. Felyx

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    • 128. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:15 pm

      No guys that email was sent days ago…”it” is still posting thats why some of of us have are convinced that it is a hacker…still email Julia and CC…I emailed her a few days ago thats why the other thing got banned….<3..Ronnie

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      • 129. fiona64  |  February 16, 2010 at 6:12 am

        That’s why I am convinced that K is spoofing his e-mail through one of the many sites that allows for this.

        Love,
        Fiona

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  • 130. bt  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Survey to help support SSM everywhere.

    http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=W0765j8r%2fM%2fWYtOXt4cHjInr2QamACMP7pRSyW2oDos%3d&

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  • 131. Warner  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    I hope mrs. elliott continues to enjoy nightly sexless 8 hour sessions fantasising in great and visual detail about buttsex…

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    • 132. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:22 pm

      Warner, that is priceless! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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  • 133. Sean  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    I just wanted to say that I love you guys. All of you, seriously. As a “straight ally” or “fag enabler” or whatever the hell you want to call it, it does my heart good to see so many kind, intelligent, encouraging people on this site. No matter how depressed I am about the bigotry and prejudice that seems to surround this nation, I can’t help but feel better every time I come onto this site to read your comments.

    Keep it up, guys. You’re keeping this ally going ^_^

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    • 134. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:23 pm

      And Sean, allies like you keep this middle-aged gay man going, and remind me why I refuse to go back into the closet. ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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    • 135. Straight Dave  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:35 pm

      I second all of that, Sean. The people I have met on this site are far above average in terms of being intelligent, sane, articulate, honest, willing to share their secrets and fears, and most importantly…. caring for each other.

      It has been a great pleasure to witness and be a part of what I consider to be among the best the world has to offer. You and your kind should be embraced not scorned. May you be judged not by your love and attraction but by the content of your character (Sorry MLK).

      You guys rock! And the world will be a better place for it.

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      • 136. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:40 pm

        No thank you guys for being here…Sean & Straight Dave….<3…Ronnie

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      • 137. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:42 pm

        And, as I said to David K. earlier, I have a dream where our love is judged on its depth, breadth, and commitment, not on the gender of who I love. And Straight Dave, thank you for being here on this site. I hope everyone who is a legitimate Trial Tracker will join the Prop 8 Trial Tracker group on FB. I want to have an additional way to stay in touch with all of you. ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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    • 138. fiona64  |  February 16, 2010 at 6:13 am

      Sean, thank you for speaking up. I am so glad that you have added your voice here.

      Love from another straight ally,
      Fiona

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  • 139. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships

    “The questions we’re asking today are about a completely different set of circumstances” — which was his way of saying that the original rules toward homosexuality have changed as society’s understanding has “evolved,” and what God proscribed as sinful behavior throughout the entirety of the Old and New Testaments has now become an act that Christians must join the rest of society in accepting, embracing, and even celebrating.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/family/2948-homosexual-bishop-theologizes-on-same-sex-relationships

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    • 140. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:03 pm

      “In an effort to nail the bishop down on his slippery explanation to what Christians have always taken to be a straight-forward censure of any and all homosexual acts…”

      “Robinson’s interpretation of Scripture has been aggressively voiced by a small core of homosexuals who call themselves Christians…”

      Not even a hint of bias in this article!

      To be fair the author did represent the Bishop accurately.

      (Personal note to TK: I know you are reading the threads and can see my posts, I just want you to know it is easier to type than to talk and being here helps distract me from the pain.)

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    • 141. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:12 pm

      Seems the three Abrahamic religions can only agree on two things….

      One) Abraham

      Two) Homos are bad.

      “Wright noted that “Jewish, Christian, and Muslim teachers have always insisted that lifelong man-plus-woman marriage is the proper context for sexual intercourse.”

      It seems LGBT likes to make love while J/C/M’s only make holy war/crusades/jihad.

      I can clearly see why there are so many peace loving straight allies!!!

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      • 142. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:37 pm

        case in point…..Jerusalem is supposed to be the Holy Land but It has not had peace in thousands of years….where is God while the Holy Land is being desecrated on a daily basis….hmmmm?!….<3…Ronnie

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      • 143. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:22 pm

        Overheard in gay conversation….

        (In response to ‘Christ is always watching…’)

        “I don’t want ‘Jeezuz’ in my bed!”

        “Well, Jesus is always welcome in my bed. His followers, however, are not!”

        Hehehe…I thought it was funny!

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    • 144. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:18 pm

      …which was his way of saying that the original rules toward homosexuality have changed as society’s understanding has “evolved”…

      OH NOEZ! THE “E” WORD!

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      • 145. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:43 pm

        LOL! Props! SA3K8

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  • 146. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    ANNIVERSARY WEEKEND – ON SCENE WITH BILL WILSON

    “I’ve never understood why people would feel threatened by me, by us, by the GLBT community. Yet in one of those “Duh” moments it all came together for me. Given a choice people will always choose love over fear. That is why I am a threat. Fear is binding and restricting. I represent freedom. It’s not that given a choice everyone would make my choice, it given a choice they probably wouldn’t choose fear.”

    http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=60355

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  • 147. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Christianity’s ideals not as portrayed

    “To the homosexual community:

    I want to apologize. I apologize for my contribution to the persecution that you have experienced. I also want to apologize on behalf of the church. Many church-goers have tried to mold gay bashing into the message that Christ preached and that is not what he stood for. ”

    “Christ’s message focuses on belief, grace and charity. He intentionally reached out to those that society condemned and asked that His followers share the burdens of the oppressed.”

    http://www.redandblack.com/2010/02/15/christianity%E2%80%99s-ideals-not-as-portrayed/

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  • 148. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:19 pm


    Defense Department treats ‘gays’ as married couples

    “A new policy for civilian teachers working in schools serving Department of Defense families will allow homosexual duos to be considered for transfers just like married couples, federal officials and union leaders have confirmed. ”

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=125185

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    • 149. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:34 pm

      LLB my bookmarks are filling up because off all the articles you post ……but thank you….I enjoy them and learn a lot from them….<3…Ronnie

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      • 150. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:39 pm

        Ronnie, you may want to go into your email account and create a folder on your left sidebar for all of the comment emails you get from P8TT. that is what I have done. It makes it very easy for me to find what I am looking for from the comment threads. this is especially helpful when the boys are home and I have to turn the sound off on my laptop. ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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      • 151. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:43 pm

        yeah i’ve done that…I think i’ll do now instead of bookmarking….btw…have you checked out my destruction of “it”……..lol….<3…Ronnie

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      • 152. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:58 pm

        Right now I cannot, if you are talking about the video. I have to wait until the boys go to work tomorrow so that I can turn the sound back on. But I will, and you will know when I do. I am looking forward to it, by the way. Or are you taling about posting the email? I loved that, and I am going to write another one, and I may call CC tomorrow when I know someone is in the office.

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      • 153. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:06 pm

        Both the video and the email…I thought I was only posting the url but the whole thing embedded….I apologized for the language though…o…”it” keeps talking about how “it” hasn’t done those things but we are not blind..and not once did “it” deny anything….and omission of denial is always a admission to the accusation…right doppty-daddy?….<3…Ronnie

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      • 154. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:13 pm

        that’s okay. And yes, when someone omits a denial, it is an admission of guilt. I will talk to everyone more tomorrow. Early day ahead, so off to sleep.

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      • 155. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:18 pm

        Ok…good night…I’m going to watch the ceremonies of the olympics then some stuff I have to clear off my DVR…tty2morro…..<3…Ronnie

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      • 156. JQ  |  February 17, 2010 at 3:14 pm

        I also LOVE all the links -the funny ones, the educational ones, the heartbreaking ones. I spend hours watching and reading each one and I forward the best on to others that might benefit.

        Thank you, thank you, thank you.

        We need to educate ourselves and each other. It might be trite, but knowledge truly is power. And we need all the power we can get.

        Much LOVE.
        Jacqui

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    • 157. Straight Dave  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:53 pm

      A dose of sanity to water down the dogma.
      I take this as a positive sign that someone is starting to think about what they are doing and the effects thereof.
      I’m leery of getting too excited about it, but such common sense acts and policies have been so rare for so long. This is certainly different and has Obama’s fingerprints all over it.

      The down side, if I had to find one, is that something so simple and obvious comes across as a really big deal. That’s a sad commentary on where we have been. We are a decade behind where we might have been, and where the rest of the world is now, due to Clinton’s lame duck years and Bush’s just plain lame years.

      Sorry for letting my negative feelings leak out today, but this country has sacrificed its heritage and missed an opportunity to stay on the leading edge of liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Maybe we’ll catch up one day.

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      • 158. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:59 pm

        I think we should re-name “Statue of Liberty”….”The Statue of Let Me Think About It”…….lol……<3…Ronnie

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      • 159. PDXAndrew  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:55 am

        LOL, Ronnie… That is a good one

        love,
        Andrew

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    • 160. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:48 pm

      LLB you are the bomb! And what is up with,’homosexual duos’…’gay couples’ too controversial?!!!

      (Brings to mind the Ambiguously Gay Duo!! LOL!)

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  • 161. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Don’t watch until you have your hankies handy.

    I really think the woman who had to tell them she couldn’t give them their marriage licenses was sincere and would like to one day say “yes, here you go.”

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    • 162. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:56 pm

      I agree with you, LLB. The woman was sincere. She wanted to issue those marriage licenses, but was not allowedto without losing her job, and possibly going to jail. I love what the one lady said. “One day, we will get our marriage licenses. We may be on our walkers, but we will be here.” We cannot give up our fight now. We have to make sure that marriage equality becomes the law of the land.

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  • 163. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Last one, (not a promise), but it’s for the archives.

    Not sure if this embed code will work.

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  • 165. Straight Dave  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    LLB, nothing is off topic if it contributes to your ultimate fulfillment. I think that anything that shows LGBT in a good light and reinforces them as a regular part of society operating in the mainstream will help lower the barriers and psychological resistance to ssm.

    Continue to be out in the open and do good when you are.

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  • 166. pearlheartgtr  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Another Onion Gem:

    New Law Would Ban Marriages Between People Who Don’t Love Each Other

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    • 167. Straight Dave  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:26 pm

      This is a classic!
      They have hit every note spot on.
      I had to watch it twice to catch all the satire.
      Unfortunately, the deny-ers will never get it.

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    • 168. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:27 pm

      Simply Priceless!

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    • 169. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:32 pm

      BWAAAAAAA!!!!!…loveless camps to cure their lovelessness…..hehehe….<3…Ronnie

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  • 170. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Experts Concerned About Pentagon Depiction of Gay Ban’s End as ‘Delicate’

    Just Do It! (If I could insert the Nike swish here I would)

    “Dr. Aaron Belkin said that “If the study group intends to summarize the more than twenty peer-reviewed, military and official studies which conclude that repeal is not problematic, that would be one thing. But to say that we have no data, and that without data, we just don’t know what will happen after repeal, is not consistent with the extensive research on the topic.” Belkin is Director of the Palm Center. “Ironically,” he added, “the Pentagon is doing the one thing that the research says not to do if you want to minimize problems, which is to drag the process out and act like it is fragile. That’s exactly how the 1993 conversation turned toxic.”

    http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/1823243/experts_concerned_about_pentagon_depiction_of_gay_bans_end_as/

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  • 171. Kay Moore  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Ah, the joy and power of democratic republicanism: few states are ever permanent, whether special privileges for a majority or mistreatment of a minority. The system has crushed under the tread of a juggernaut slavery, racist laws trying to limit or nullify the 14th Amendment, “glass ceilings”, the severe past injustices in rape laws, and innumerable other things that have required correction. And in all of the most potent and contentious struggles, the courts have thrust in their oar to little effect. As a previous post in the blog noted, progress is needed but there is great advantage to living under the aegis of the American Constitution.

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    • 172. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:12 pm

      Yeah whatever….trash bag….I mean Quack!!!

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    • 173. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:23 pm

      Kay, are you a follower of Lyndon Larouche?

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      • 174. Kay Moore  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:27 pm

        Heck no! If the somewhat unbalanced people that occasionally showed up on my college campus to claim that Al Gore is evil and a member of the “blood-soaked beasts of Hell” represent LaRouche, he’s either insane or attracts insane people.

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      • 175. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:30 pm

        Quack psycho quack….quack quack

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      • 176. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:33 pm

        That’s my point and why I asked you that question. Other posters here, read up on Lyndon Larouche’s later years…it makes sense.

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      • 177. Kay Moore  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:39 pm

        Was your point that I’m no follower of a guy whose minions stick a Hitler mustache on President Obama or that he and/or his minions are nuts?

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      • 178. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:41 pm

        it was quack……QUACK!!!…quack!!!!

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    • 179. fiona64  |  February 16, 2010 at 6:16 am

      Yeah, whatever. Quack.

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      • 180. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 7:39 am

        good morning dopty-mommy….I hope you had a wonderful nights sleep….don’t forget to check out my pwnege on the v-day thread…I’m going to finish the train wreck today….hehehe….<3…Ronnie

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      • 181. fiona64  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:30 am

        Hi, Ronnie. It was a good night’s sleep, but a hard morning. We are very much afraid that our 13-year-old Dalmatian, Phaedra, is coming to the end of her life. :-( She had a hard night herself.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 182. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:40 am

        I’m sorry to hear about your dog…I know I said this before…but I lost my cat last summer we had her for 16 years…half of my life….It was really hard and my mother was really close to her..i though that she might die of a broken heart….When the doctor said that she had fluid pressing on her brain…My mother almost fainted and I had to struggle to hold her up…when she died my mother was and still to this day seems incomplete….but she is getting more peace with it….<3…Ronnie

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      • 183. Sheryl Carver  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:53 am

        I’m so sorry that Phaedra is failing, Fiona. Lucy, my 16 yr old cocker/retriever mix passed on Jan 30th, almost 15 yrs to the day that I adopted her. We went through so much together, & I’m tearing up as I write this. Like you, I had several sleep-deprived nights until she passed. I finally just slept on an air mattress next to her, so I’d know if she needed attention. She wasn’t in pain, thankfully, but had very limited mobility & needed help getting water, turning around, etc. I was with her when she took her last breath.

        I still have my other dogs, cats, & goats, but as we all know, even if one believes that our spirits continue on (as I do), there’s a big hole in the here & now when a dearly loved being transitions.

        My thoughts are with you, Fiona.
        With love,
        Sheryl

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      • 184. David Kimble  |  February 16, 2010 at 10:10 am

        Oh, Fiona, I am so sorry to read of your loss. When I moved to the high desert in California, I adopted a very sweet and adorable Dalmatian from the local “Animal Control facility”. We were together for nearly 5 years, when she was struck by cancer. I still recall the moment, I realized she would not get any better and only continue to decline. I sat with her, holding her head in my lap – tears streming down my face as I told her goodbye. In the end, I could no longer take her suffering and took her to the vets and she was euthanized. I cried there, too! My best wishes for your dogs – they do become family! <3 David

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      • 185. fiona64  |  February 16, 2010 at 10:25 am

        Dear friends:

        Thank you for your kind words. Here is what I wrote about Phaedra in my blog this morning:

        We are very much afraid that Phaedra is coming to the end of her life. She was 3 years old when the icon photo was taken; she is 13 now. She had a hard night last night, including losing control of her bladder. :-(

        This dog quite literally saved my life. She was a therapy dog at one point in her youth, and knows how to quietly be with people who are in distress. She would wait for me in the car at the laundromat or the grocery or the dance class — never when it was hot out, of course — and help me feel safe to leave the house again during some of the worst of my agoraphobia.

        She helped me heal the not-great relationship with the college kids who lived next door to me in my Berkeley duplex; one of them heard her barking and asked about the noise. I wrote a letter talking about my depression and agoraphobia, thanking them for letting me know that Phaedra was noisy during the day and promising to leave a radio on to keep her company. Next thing I knew, one of the girls was at my door with a plant and telling me that her mom was bipolar and that she understood. The guy, who heard Phaedra barking, asked if he could take her running with him sometimes — which she loved.

        She has been a vital part of my life for 10 years and, while I know realistically that the time has been coming, that does not ease the pain of knowing.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 186. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 16, 2010 at 10:41 am

        Fiona, I know the pain you are going through right now with Phaedra coming to her natural end. It is just like losing a human child, or losing a spouse. I will pass the word to BZ so that both of us can keep you, Jeff, and Phaedra in our prayers. And we may be facing the same thing shortly with Mother’s little Yorkie, Dixie. One thing I hope you will always remember is this–though you are hurting right now, even after you no longer have Phaedra with you physically, she will always be in your heart and in your memories. And as long as you have those memories and your love for Phaedra, you will still have her with you everywhere you go. And she will be watching over you from her new home, and will still find ways to comfort you and to protect you. I know this is scant comfort, but you will soon see the truth of what I am saying. And feel free to call us if you need us.

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  • 187. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Sorry Kay, I hit a nerve huh? I really wasn’t saying check out the wikipedia’s last paragraph on him. But hey, while you are there, go ahead and read all the stuff in between.

    The man loved to put fear in people, was great with psycho ammo and babble and really hated the ‘gay’. He’s a psychopath and wobbled on a discussion to suit his needs to put fear in a person to gain ego, which is why I asked if you were a follower.

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    • 188. Kay Moore  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:57 pm

      Oh, not at all. I’m not bothered by comparisons to LaRouche and his merry minions because they’re too far-out to hit a nerve. I was just wondering if your point was that he and his followers are genuinely nutty. As to reading the rest of the info about the guy… sometimes it’s best not to look too deeply into the abyss lest it look deeply into you.

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      • 189. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:00 pm

        quack quack quack quack quack

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      • 190. fiona64  |  February 16, 2010 at 6:52 am

        Yeah, whatever.

        Quack quack quack.

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      • 191. Bill  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:50 am

        Oy vey, Kay.

        Oy vey.

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      • 192. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 16, 2010 at 10:54 am

        In short, you are too afraid to read the whole thing because you, like a vampire, are afraid of the mirror. You do not want to see yourself for who and whatyou really are, do you, Kenny? Yes, since you are obviously a teenage male, Kenny is probably your real name, not Kay. After all, you do keep claiming that Kay is the phonetic representation of your first inital, “K.” And since a middle-aged, self-sufficient famale would have no need to find a bookstore to hang out in for an hour during church services that she does not attend, that means, as Felyx so aptly pointed out, that you are more than likely a teenager who is going to chruch with Mommy and Daddy and does not have his own transportation. All of the rest of your rants are out of character for anyone but a teenage male, regardless of what gender the starship commander Shepherd may be. So why don’t you go off somewhere and leave the adults alone until such time as you are able to enter into the discussion in an adult, rational manner that precludes harassment of theose who are different from you.

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      • 193. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:19 pm

        Hey guys I took me all morning but I finished the destruction of “it” on the v-day thread…..I am quite proud of myself…..lol….hehehe….<3…Ronnie

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      • 194. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:34 pm

        Ronnie, I am proud of you! You did very well with that! BTW, if you get a chance, call me. I’ll send you my number via FB.
        ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

        Dopty-Daddy

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      • 195. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:46 pm

        I replied…I hate that I don’t have my cell…it is being fixed….I have the iPhone but I think I’m just going to get a new one………..for people of my gen. and I’m sure everybody after me…it’s like losing a hand…I am going nuts without it….<3…Ronnie

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      • 196. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:47 pm

        wait i’ll FB my cell # and if you want to leave a VM or text I can check the VM from my mothers cell when she gets home from work….<3…Ronnie

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      • 197. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:53 pm

        Got it, Ronnie. Thanks. ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

        Dopty-Daddy

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  • 198. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Ice skating is over and I must get my beauty rest. Night P8TT friends. Don’t hate the K, pity her.

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    • 199. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:01 pm

      goodnight LLB…<3…Ronnie

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  • 200. rf  |  February 16, 2010 at 5:26 am

    Today’s Nashua Telegraph, my new favorite newspaper:

    A city alderman will seek for state Rep. Nancy Elliott to be removed from office unless she recants her claim that Nashua fifth-graders are being taught about gay sex or presents evidence to support it.

    “Either turn in the name of the ‘mother’ whose child was subjected to this alleged display of pornography to the Nashua Police Department, as required by law to protect the children, or recant and apologize publicly,” Ward 3 Alderman Diane Sheehan wrote in an e-mail she sent to Elliott on Sunday afternoon.

    “If neither of those two actions take place in the next 48 hours, I will begin exploring action to prosecute for false statement, and your removal from office,” Sheehan wrote.

    http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/620289-196/alderman-to-rep-own-up-or-recant.html

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    • 201. Straight Dave  |  February 16, 2010 at 5:49 am

      Awesome!
      The bozos need to be called out on every crackpot excursion they take. Zero tolerance should be our mantra. Letting this stuff go unchallenged allows naive people to drift toward the wrong conclusions.

      – Straight Dave, QSF, LGBTA

      (just trying out those new certifications I just earned. It’s sort of like throwing down Esq, MBE, CBE and all those British knighthood honors to make me look more impressive. I don’t really like it all that much, but I had to try it at least once. Now I suppose I’ll go back to my true hetero roots.)

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    • 202. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 7:21 am

      Finally all the Bigots are getting their just desserts just like Anita Bryant did, starting with the most obvious one….hehehe….recant you lying scank or suffer the consequences……..btw…good morning to all of my LGBTQQIA family….Its snowing hear in NJ again…..I have to go and put a diaper on m dog because he loves the snow but will not go when it is snowing…..I guess it is an affront to the very delicacy of his nature……I swear he is gayer then I am……..lol……….<3…Ronnie

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    • 203. Ozymandias ('cause it's cooler than 'Elbert')  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:36 am

      This is awesome! Elliot recanted her statement!

      http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/622379-196/elliot-cant-confirm-accuracy-of-sex-claim.html

      ““I would like to apologize to Judiciary Committee, the Nashua public schools and its employees and the speaker as well as anyone else affected by what I said…’’

      Naturally, she doesn’t bother to apologize to the LGBT community but nonetheless, the responses I’ve read from Telegraph readers have been very impressive!

      Love,

      Ozy

      PS – Sorry I’ve been absent, but there’s been a lot going on with me lately… good stuff! :)

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      • 204. David from Sandy UT  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:09 am

        Why am I not surprised. And yes, she should have apologized to ALL equality-loving, truth-loving citizens, especially members and supporters of the LGBTQ community.

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      • 205. David Kimble  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:18 am

        Yes, and it is also interesting, since her words have already found a fertile plain, in which to grow. <3 David

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      • 206. Felyx  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:28 am

        Wow! Good post!

        Overheard in 5th Grade Nashua Classroom:

        “Lier! Lier! Pants on Fire!”

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      • 207. PDXAndrew  |  February 16, 2010 at 11:15 am

        Ok, I’m a geek, so the thought of how quickly she was willing to believe her source reminded ne of the Wizard’s First Rule from Terry Goodkind’s Sword of Truth series:
        people are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it’s true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so ate all the easier to fool.

        Talk about life imitating art.

        Love, Andrew

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      • 208. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 16, 2010 at 1:02 pm

        Shorter Nancy Elliott: I’m really sorry everyone caught me making s–t up.

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      • 209. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 16, 2010 at 1:19 pm

        Yes, that is exactly what Nancy Elliot is sorry for–getting caught. She could care less that she made something up, she is only sorry that she was caught at it.

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  • 210. Bill  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:47 am

    State Representative Nancy Elliott should be fired from her position. Regardless of whether or not she recanted what she said.

    As if offending an entire segment of the population is not enough, State Representative Nancy Elliott is REQUIRED to report an incident like this to the school board IMMEDIATELY. She did not do this. She failed to follow the simplest of procedures to ensure the safety of school children.

    She needs to be fired.

    She needs to be fired.

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    • 211. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:57 am

      I say we stone her…like a liar should be…..JMHO!!!!,….<3…Ronnie

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      • 212. David from Sandy UT  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:10 am

        In my never-humble opinion, suggestions of violence, even as a joke, are not appropriate.

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      • 213. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:18 am

        The joke was totally appropriate due to the fact that she and the rest of the religious reich pick and choose what parts of the holy scriptures they want to follow and this is joke is in reference to those scriptures….geeze lighten up….if she had the ability to do so she would…..<3…Ronnie

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      • 214. Michelle Evans  |  February 16, 2010 at 10:59 am

        Unfortunately, stoning is still the weapon of choice in places like Iran. It brings up a good question that I usually discuss in my talks about transgender issues. I start by asking if anyone can tell me which country performs the most gender reassignment surgeries. Usually I get answers such as the US or Canada, maybe England or Sweden. All good answers, but the real answer is Thailand.

        The next question I ask is if anyone can name the country that performs the second most gender reassignments, and no one has yet gotten this answer correct in the several years of my doing these talks. The answer, as you may have guessed from the first sentence of my post is: Iran!

        Most people are incredulous when I tell them this, so I have to explain the reason why this is so. After the installation of the current theocracy 31 years ago, a policy was instituted that says that homosexual behavior will not be condoned in any way. So, if a gay couple were to be uncovered, they are given two choices: they must either undergo gender reassignment surgery so that they will no longer be males with males, or they may chose to be stoned to death.

        For those of you on this site who are gay men, consider if that was your option. You are happy being a man, and you happen to be oriented to be with other men. You do not feel you are a woman and want to live in a heterosexual relationship. If given this choice, what would your response be?

        This is the type of society that Ms. Elliot and Andy Pugno would want us all to live. They truly do not have the intelligence to understand that their’s is the type of bigotry that would lead us down that path. Talk about a slippery slope…

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  • 215. David Kimble  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Here is the full tex of the speech I posted yesterday, since I think some people wanted to see the entire speech. <3 David

    THE WORLD IS A CHANGED PLACE
    By
    David V. Kimble
    The world is a place of change with palatial opulence all about me – I wander through the streets with a dazed sense of being. Through the windows, I see happy couples strolling endlessly through the provincial markets and spaces. Their eyes fixed upon the latest gadget with envy, they do roam. Still, my world is very different than theirs, mine is a world surrounded by people, who have few kind words to share with me; meanwhile their arrogance and piety ooze hatred from their pores towards me, and I was born different than they, who see the world through alabaster-rimmed glasses. My world consists of lonely days, made-up of endless chores and duties, yet my heart cries with a voice that shouts from soul to set me free. Set me free, from what, you quandary of me – to set me free, like a bird that soars on the east wind and makes it way home; to make my world more friendly to me and those of my kind – you see I am gay. I did not wake one morn and decide, this would be my folly, and no I was innately born gay, like those, who make their home in San Francisco a world I can only dream about; a world where I could wed the one I loved and live together all the days of our lives in happiness and bliss. A world, where I was not judged by who love, but by the length and breadth of my love – a world, where the sexes were juxtaposed in the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner or Romeo and Juliet – I long for such a world of beauty and peace. I long for a world that is accepting of me and does not want to beat me with a club or display their anger towards me with such disgust. Perhaps, my world does not exist, but I know it must for I have seen it my dreams, yet the world tells me I am wrong in disgust. In the Churches, the bells peal in synchronized tone and announce the wedded bliss of yet another happy couple, yet for me, they remain silent, muffled by the Christian bigots. They see me in sin, yet, I have not offended them by any means. I only wish to live, as I was born. They preach their sermons with such fright and fear and they cannot see they offend me by their words.
    In the words of Dr. Martin Luther King; “I have a dream…,” well I too have a dream – I dream of a time in the world, when who you love is not measured by such quaint themes, but rather by the deepness of your love for one another. I dream of a world, where hatred was washed away by love. I dream of a world, where brotherhood and sisterhood carried their banners to every corner of the universe. Now you say, but ‘tis just a dream. I reply, yes, it is but a dream that I have dreamt, but all great ideas begin with a dream of hope.
    I dream of hope, where I am free to love, who I will, without fear. I will not be judged by those who see the world differently, than I. Their words of hatred spew, like a volcanic eruption that explodes upon the world and never wanes or dies.
    How is that we can change what we believe, you ask. We must shine a light into every corner and crevasse, we find, where hatred and bigotry exist. We must not allow children to be taught that such actions are acceptable by our actions. We must stamp-out and extinguish with every word we speak to those, who be an affront to dignity and peace. We must deny them their voice, when they rise to speak in our Churches and other public venues.
    We must also teach tolerance for everyone in the world, whether straight or gay, even the dull and ignorant have a tale to tell. We must reach-out to those, who live in darkness and shine the bright light of truth into their darkness, so they can see their action for what they truly are – hatred. We must do all of this out of love. Love will speak to their troubled and tortured souls in ways that our words cannot. We must not condemn them, but feel remorse for those who refuse to accept the light of truth. There are those, who are clouded by years of “What the Bible says”, yet I find it incongruous and insincere how they can read a book and find only hatred in its words. I am bothered by those, who use the Bible to mask their idolatry and hatred for who I was born to be and shroud it in words, “The Bible says…”.
    We must continue to be a force for “right” in the world. Doing the right thing is not always measured by reward, but can in itself be a reward. Choosing to do the right thing is seldom easy, but this, too, has its reward.
    I and others of my kind will continue to fight the good fight for freedom in the world, yet we cannot do it alone. We need everyone to speak with a single voice. Where there is hatred, we must bring love. Where there is bigotry, we must shine our light so brightly that no cannot see the bigotry spewed by these people. We will not be silent! We cannot be silent, for to do so, is to allow them their voice, which we must not! We have been silent too long and allowed their evil to infect the world, like a plague upon the land! We must speak with a single voice, one that shreds the paper houses they have built from the very foundations! I cannot do this alone, but we need everyone’s voice to speak with the clarity and pureness of the freedom bell, LET FREEDOM RING!

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    • 216. David Kimble  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:32 am

      oops, the line …”that no cannot see…, should be …that none cannot see…. I also forgot the last line of the speech – “ONLY WHEN ALL ARE FREE, WILL ANY OF US TRULY BE FREE!

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    • 217. fiona64  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:33 am

      Dear David:

      Your words remind me very much of the teachings of St. Francis of Assisi. Thank you for sharing them.

      Love,
      Fiona

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      • 218. David Kimble  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:36 am

        Thanx, Fiona. <3David

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    • 219. PDXAndrew  |  February 16, 2010 at 10:28 am

      David,
      Thank you for posting this. It is a great piece. I love the last line: ONLY WHEN ALL ARE FREE, WILL ANY OF US TRULY BE FREE. Amen and hallelujah!

      Love,
      Andrew

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      • 220. David Kimble  |  February 16, 2010 at 10:37 am

        Thanx, PDXAndrew. As I said in a previous post, there was not a dry eye in the place, when I concluded. It is only through our voice, as one, will we have any say in the world. Our voices alone, get muted by those, who are louder and more orchestrated. I am firmly opposed to violence, this is not a part of who I am. Growing-up I would see violence on a daily basis and I vowed then, this would not be a world I could be comfortable to remain silent. Words can either inflict damage or serve a greater purpose – that of uniting us, as a community. I hope my words have done that. <3 David

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  • 221. David from Sandy UT  |  February 16, 2010 at 9:47 am

    “During the testimony of Dr. Gary Segura, one of the things he explained was that despite whatever gains we have made, the LGBT communicty is constantly fighting to keep them. To paraphrase Dr. Segura, political power is not only the ability to gain victories but also the ability to maintain them. Some groups easily make their past victories a step towards future gains. For us, we must constantly defend everything.”

    So true!

    Here in Utardia—The Pretty Hate State (a.k.a. Utah), prejudice and discrimination have no limits.

    Please see http://www.sltrib.com/Opinion/ci_14406294 for an editorial in The Salt Lake Tribute expressing support for anti-discrimination ordinances.

    More importantly, please see http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/news/silent-lgbt-protest-sparks-crude-comment-1.2155212 for a vulgar comment that is typical of the slime-sucking bigotry spewed by Utah leaders, in this specific instance, from Rick Votaw, vice-chair of the Salt Lake County Republican Party.

    Please write your senators (federal and state), representatives, the leaders of the Republican caucuses in both houses of your state legislature, state Republican Party leaders, community leaders, local and regional newspapers, family, friends, friends of friends, friends of family, family of friends, local religious leaders, the local garden club—anyone who loves (or should love) the principles of fairness and equality on which our constitutional republic was founded—and ask them to tell Utah State Senate President Michael Waddoups (email: waddoups@utahsenate.org):

    Hostage taking is morally wrong;
    Threats of legislative retaliation are morally wrong;
    Using political power to suppress First Amendment freedom is morally wrong; and that
    Bias and discrimination have NO place in American society.

    David

    P.S., I’m married to a female, father of four, Goldwater conservative, small-“r” republican, and I absolutely hate living in Utah. Although the mountains east of Sandy are beautiful, the political and social systems here are controlled by excrement-spewing bigots.

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  • 222. Michelle Evans  |  February 16, 2010 at 11:08 am

    David,

    Utah is indeed a beautiful state. You have the most national parks within your borders and the whole place is just gorgeous. Standing at the top of Cedar Breaks at sunset is almost a religious experience, even for an atheist. :-)

    It is too bad that this beauty has been tainted by the religious zealots that want to defile the entire region with their hatred, and eventually, our nation.

    Interestingly, Cherie and I once thought about moving to Utah because we loved the area so much. That was before my transition, and I can only imagine what my life would be like (if I was still alive) if we had followed through on that thought.

    My grandfather was the head of the Methodist church in Salt Lake City until he passed away in 1975. Talk about being an outcast in that city! As a child, I visited my grandparents there almost every year, and loved the place. Nowadays, post transition, I fear to cross the border!

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    • 223. David from Sandy UT  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:32 pm

      I make a HUGE point of saying that all individuals are welcome to their religious beliefs—I do no care if they believe in Jesus, the Tooth Fairy, or whatever—so long as they DO NOT HURT other people.

      Some members of the Locally Dominant Sect (a.k.a. the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) support full secular equality for ALL law-abiding adult citizens. These individuals are powerless, politically powerless and socially powerless, because of the wide-spread belief that “When our leaders have spoken, the thinking has been done.” Anyone who would dare criticize the living prophet is by definition an apostate and probably will be disciplined by the organization’s leaders. The LDS organization breeds a culture of mindless obedience and the unabashed, narrow-minded arrogance that comes from the belief that the LDS organization is the ONLY source of religious truth in the entire world.

      I also make a HUGE point that the common, English-language word ‘marriage’ already has multiple meanings depending on the context in which it is used and that causing serious emotional and financial harm to our fellow citizens because individuals cannot stand the thought that the government would give secular, government-issued piece of paper with their special word on it to a same-gender couple.

      In my never-humble opinion, the LDS leaders and politically active LDS members are WORSE than the racist bigots of the Old Segregationist South. Why worse? Welcome to the Twenty-First Century. LDS leaders and politically active LDS members should know better than to hurt our fellow citizens because of an irrational, illogical, fear-mongering, hate-spewing personal opinion. No religious belief, regardless of how strongly it may be felt, justifies hurting other people.

      David

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      • 224. David from Sandy UT  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:35 pm

        . . .and that causing serious emotional and financial harm to our fellow citizens (because individuals cannot stand the thought that the government would give a secular, government-issued piece of paper with their special word on it to a same-gender couple) is morally wrong and just plain stooopid.

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  • 225. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    OMG!!!…this is hilarious check out this link: “30 Unintentionally Hilarious Political Signs”…..most of them are of the anti-LGBTQQIA and pro religious nature….hehehe…<3…Ronnie

    http://www.urlesque.com/2010/02/10/misspelled-political-signs/?ncid=webmaildl5

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    • 226. LoriH  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:53 pm

      Thanks Ronnie. I would probably add to the list one hand lettered sign on the back of a car that said, “English Was Good Enough for Jesus”

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      • 227. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 16, 2010 at 12:56 pm

        Yes, that is hilarious, Lori. I guess they forgot that Jesus, due to where he was raised, and the fact that he was Jewish, moe than likely spoke either a mix of Hebrew and Aramaic, or Koine (common) Greek.
        I have also seen one that says “If the King James was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for me,” which only proves that they didn’t bother to check the dates.

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  • 228. Ronnie  |  February 16, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Hmm no conservative agenda to get rid of anything progressive and liberal…BS….:

    Nation’s Top Conservatives Will Sign Philosophical Declaration of War against Big Government
    Tuesday, February 16, 2010
    By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/61365

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  • 229. Denny  |  February 16, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    I’m so glad someone held her responsible for those statements and demanded substantiation. If I’ve learned anything from reading this trial and posts like this its that if people are going to make outrageous claims we need to demand they back them up. We may not change their minds, but at least it will erode their argument because the public will see they are lying (Provided their statements are actually broadcast :-).

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  • 230. Ed-M  |  February 16, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    “We must constantly defend that which we have while looking to improve our status. This is our lot. But it also means that there is a real reason why the courts can, and should, step in. They are charged with the task of protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority. In this case, we have seen a political system that doesn’t seem up to the task of protecting minority rights. Striking down Prop 8 would be a valid and justified use of the judiciary’s power of review.”

    James Madison in his Federalist Paper No. 10, envisioned the bicameral federal legislature and the veto power of the executive as sufficient to protect minority rights from the tyranny of the majority. History has borne out that he was in error! This country is lucky that the SCOTUS stepped in and set precedent to protect minorities and even individuals with its Marbury v. Madison decision. Otherwise, we and other minorities could be much more oppressed, terrorized and tyrannized.

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