Trial Re-enactment: Day 2 Parts II and III

February 15, 2010 at 10:33 am 20 comments

By Julia Rosen

Hey everyone. Please consider this an open thread to talk about whatever is on your minds this fine President’s Day.

Here are parts II and III from Day 2 of the MarriageTrial.com re-enactments.

Entry filed under: Televising.

Trial Re-enactment: Day 2 Always Fighting

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  • 1. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:52 am

    I totally forgot that it was presidents day….anywho..thank you Julia….I <3..you….Ronnie

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  • 2. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Hi, everyone. First of all, my ongoing thanks to Julia and everyone at Courage campaign for keeping this board available to all of us.

    I have to admit, I have been very upset about David having been triggered by “Kay’s” bullying. I have not been able to focus on too much other than that. Now, I am sure that “Kay” thinks that “she” is very powerful because of this. I’ve already said what I have to say about that misperception. I am far more concerned about David at this point.

    I wrote about bullying and its effects in my memoir Les Pensees Dangereuses. (You can check out a sample and, if you are interested in having the whole thing, please feel free to set the price to $0 … I put it up as a “set your own price” deliberately because there are people who may need the information there and be unable to afford even $1.) There are some seriously sad people out there who derive their power from bullying. They are like the hyenas who go after the person or people whom they perceive as the weakest in the herd, because they see them as the easiest targets to wound and kill.

    Please, everyone, be gentle with yourselves and others today. We are better people than those who want to wound and kill.

    Love,
    Fiona

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    • 3. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:27 am

      Fiona,

      Here is a repost that I think will be valuable here as well.

      Fiona,
      Regarding you comment about ‘K’ being a highschool boy…

      What unmarried woman goes to church to see who is preaching just to walk out 5 minutes later to read graphic novels about the Civil War or whatever for an hour?

      The answer?

      The kind of unmarried woman that is a teenage boy who is dragged off to church with his mother and has to kill an hour because he has no transportation home. Any truly self-sufficient person would not bother otherwise.

      I picked up on this when he made his religious statement. I alluded to the fact that it was teenage rational. I have since stopped trying to carry on a marriage debate with someone who is not here to debate marriage especially considering he is unmarried and has not even expressed a solid position on the issue.

      His latest post makes it clear why he is here. Harassment, personal playtime and engendering a smug sense of satisfaction at getting people to argue with a teenager cloaked by net anonimity.

      It is time he voluntarily remove himself from the board.

      Sincerely,
      Felyx

      Post Scriptus: Merci pour tes Pensees Heureuses!

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    • 4. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:33 am

      Dear Felyx:

      Merci beaucoup! C’est mon plaisir. :-)

      (I was teacher’s pet in French class, but that was a long time ago. Malhereusement, I now understand/read the language far more fluently than I speak it.)

      Love,
      Fiona

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      • 5. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:33 am

        Ugh. Make that Malheuresement. I obviously cannot spell today. :-/

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 6. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:46 am

        Heheheh! I can’t tell you how often I make that exact same spelling mishap! And as a further funny ‘gratuitity’, I can say ‘pour’ and I can say ‘boire’ but for the life of my I can’t seem to say ‘pourboire’!! I will frequently chicken out and just say, “Pour vos efforts.”

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      • 7. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:50 pm

        What’s even funnier, Felyx, is that when I re-read the post I discovered I *still* didn’t have it right. Malheureusement. Argh!

        Mlle Sato (wherever you are), I apologize. :-)

        Love,
        Fiona

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    • 8. Felyx  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:05 pm

      I thought I would repost this here as well as it seems relevent.

      (Linda makes a very good comment…)

      Can we all agree to give no attention to any further posts by this person (KM)? Please, attention in any form is undeserved.
      Thank you!
      Love,
      Linda

      (My reply for better or worse…
      )
      Unfortunately Linda,
      ‘K’ has adepted himself to the art of psychological manipulation. It doesn’t take too much skill and it actually is very powerful for those who would use it. I would compare it to an immature individual picking up a gun and randomly firing it off in a room. Even if no one is hit, it is hard to ignore.

      There are people on this MB who have a lifetime of pain and are not able to filter out button-pushing comments. It has been tried before and it was not effective. The boy knows this. You might as well ask a victim of rape to sit in a room with the attacker and request that he or she just not give it another thought.

      I suggest you write a calm rational heart-felt email to prop8trial@couragecampaign.org and let them know how you feel. When harassment disguised as debate starts to affect a community like ours, it is time to let the moderators know.

      Peace and Love Linda,
      Felyx

      To anyone feeling harassed and not fairly debated, I encourage you to speak up directly to the moderator. They care and are here to help us.

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      • 9. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:08 pm

        I’ve done that several times….<3…Ronnie

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      • 10. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:16 pm

        Although I have managed lately to not comment directly to the poster within those threads, I have read their comments…most seem to be copy/paste from other boards. When I finally see an well thought-out original post, I might comment.

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      • 11. fiona64  |  February 15, 2010 at 12:32 pm

        I also suspect that “K” is spoofing his IP … which is why he is getting around the bans so easily.

        Love,
        Fiona

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  • 12. Ray Harwick  |  February 15, 2010 at 10:56 am

    I’m deaf and closed captioning is important to me. These videos are not captioned so they are inaccessible to the deaf. I’m thankful that AFER has provided transcripts of the trial but I ask that the Courage Campaign Institute find the courage to encourage video producers to caption their content.

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  • 13. Brad  |  February 15, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Hi, I haven’t watched the latest reenactments but at leasts the first day 1 segments were close captioned (I personally turned CC on by accident.)

    Be aware that they are shown on both the http://www.marriagetrial.com site as well as on You-Tube & may be CC in one place & not the other.

    Also as they rush to get the segments out, they may be pastponing (or even no longer CC the vids :( ) Were you able to get CC on the 1st few segments?

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  • 14. PDXAndrew  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Ugh… I can’t make it thru day 1, episode 2. The defense’s laywer going on about how Blankinthehead will prove everything. How the institution of marriage is already bring destroyed by the straight folks, and how he ‘fears’ that gay marriage might (or might not) accelerate this process.
    I am truly surprised that they use this as their major ‘proof’. I’d expect that the ‘big straight agenda’ would secretly want us to marry. That way, if marriage doescompletely collapse, they could hang us out as the scapegoats…. Without us, they’d have to take responsibility for their actions — Heaven forbid they ever own up to their mess.

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    • 15. Ronnie  |  February 15, 2010 at 1:26 pm

      Here is a funny video to debunk their convoluted arguments……..hehehe….<3…Ronnie:

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  • 16. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 15, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Thank you for this. And when I say thank you, I am talking to everyone who is responsible for this series of videos being available.

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  • 17. Wade MacMorrighan  |  February 15, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Great vid.! But, I wonder if anyone has ever attempted to refute Maggie Gallagher’s arguments (in which she obviously rejects any but the Christian definition of a neo-“marriage”), that, marriage protects and assures a child’s rights to know/ be known by and to love/ be loved by their biological parents!” I saw someone clamoring about this on-line and said that marriage has nothing to do with producing children (given that infertile couples can get married)–unless you live in the 1950s when it was intended to channel the innate sex drive of both genders and to ensure virginity! ‘Course, I made some comment that some people (like myself) don’t even want nor care for children! One woman that jumped all over me like she had a “gotcha'” moment and retaliated, “So, THAT’S what you think of children!!!”

    of course, I had also been typing at length about societies and cultures, to whom we are culturally, geographically and temporally relating having legally allowed Gay marriages only to have some declare, emphatically, “Those don’t COUNT as REAL marriages!” WTF?!

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    • 18. waxr  |  February 16, 2010 at 3:51 am

      “. . . marriage protects and assures a child’s rights to know/ be known by and to love/ be loved by their biological parents!”

      In the Bible marriage was to protect and assure a husband’s right to know his own biological children.

      Numbers 5:11-29 NETBible
      5:11 The LORD spoke to Moses: 5:12 “Speak to the Israelites and tell them, ‘If any man’s wife goes astray and behaves unfaithfully toward him, 5:13 and a man has sexual relations with her without her husband knowing it, and it is hidden that she has defiled herself, since there was no witness against her, nor was she caught – 5:14 and if jealous feelings come over him and he becomes suspiciou of his wife, when she is defiled; or if jealous feelings come over him and he becomes suspicious of his wife, when she is not defiled – 5:15 then the man must bring his wife to the priest, and he must bring the offering required for her, one tenth of an ephah of barley meal; he must not pour olive oil on it or put frankincense on it, because it is a grain offering of suspicion, a grain offering for remembering, for bringing iniquity to remembrance.

      5:16 “‘Then the priest will bring her near and have her stand31 before the LORD. 5:17 The priest will then take holy water in a pottery jar, and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle, and put it into the water. 5:18 Then the priest will have the woman stand before the Lord, uncover the woman’s head, and put the grain offering for remembering in her hands, which is the grain offering of suspicion. The priest will hold in his hand the bitter water that brings a curse. 5:19 Then the priest will put the woman under oath and say to the her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you, and if you have not gone astray and become defiled while under your husband’s authority, may you be free from this bitter water that brings a curse. 5:20 But if you have gone astray while under your husband’s authority, and if you have defiled yourself and some man other than your husband has had sexual relations with you….” 5:21 Then the priest will put the woman under the oath of the curse and will say to the her, “The Lord make you an attested curse among your people, if the Lord makes your thigh fall away and your abdomen swell; 5:22 and this water that causes the curse will go into your stomach, and make your abdomen swell and your thigh rot.” Then the woman must say, “Amen, amen.”

      5:23 “‘Then the priest will write these curses on a scroll and then scrape them off into the bitter water. 5:24 He will make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and the water that brings a curse will enter her to produce bitterness. 5:25 The priest will take the grain offering of suspicion from the woman’s hand, wave the grain offering before the LORD, and bring it to the altar. 5:26 Then the priest will take a handful of the grain offering as its memorial portion, burn it on the altar, and afterward make the woman drink the water. 5:27 When he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and behaved unfaithfully toward her husband, the water that brings a curse will enter her to produce bitterness – her abdomen will swell, her thigh will fall away, and the woman will become a curse among her people. 5:28 But if the woman has not defiled herself, and is clean, then she will be free of ill effects and will be able to bear children.

      5:29 “‘This is the law for cases of jealousy, when a wife, while under her husband’s authority, goes astray and defiles herself, 5:30 or when jealous feelings come over a man and he becomes suspicious of his wife; then he must have the woman stand before the LORD, and the priest will carry out all this law upon her. 5:31 Then the man will be free from iniquity, but that woman will bear the consequences of her iniquity.’”
      http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Num&chapter=5

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  • 19. Wade MacMorrighan  |  February 16, 2010 at 8:35 am

    OMGs! At about 36 mins. in, the Defense tries to make the “case” that population decline is a very real concern in the US (“national security” threats, you know!), and that reserving marriage for heterosexual couples is a step towards correcting this! Basically, all that a declining populace would mean is that our “Elected officials” would have to make less money, which is why they have an invested interest in a large population. Why don’t our EO’s make the min. wage, anyway, for their “public service”? They even claim that pop. decline would harm Americans (eg. loss of SS), which they seem to blame Gays for through inference (due to their views that being Gay is a “choice”, and that allowing gay marriage would normalize it and lead to more homosexuality, thereby harming the Nation!).

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  • 20. Richard W. Fitch  |  March 13, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    [{ catchn-up }]

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