CPAC Membership Not That Into the Fight Against Equality

February 21, 2010 at 5:56 pm 176 comments

by Brian Leubitz

We’ve been doing some coverage of the big conservative shindig, CPAC, over the last few days. From the right-wing leadership, you get garbage like their crazy statements about don’t ask don’t tell that imply that American troops are less professional than many Europeans.  And then, of course, you have this idiot.

But, when it comes down to it, the grassroots of the conservative movement seems to have bigger concerns on their plate. In the annual straw poll, which is traditionally a big focus of the media for the presidential implications, only 1% of the audience said that they consider “stopping gay marriage” to be one of their top two priorities.

While the leadership of the anti-marriage movement has forced the Republican party and the conservative organizations to be zealots on this issue, it just doesn’t rank to most Americans.  This is the truly one of the most right wing groups in the country that we are talking about here, and they simply don’t care about “stopping gay marriage.”

Of course, some of the marriage people are upset because Ron Paul, the libertarian anti-government Congressman from Texas was out in force at this straw poll. They point to club-packing of sorts by Paul and his supporters, but more critically, they point to this figure as evidence showing this was an outlier:

Granted, students comprised 48 percent of the sample — how else could Paul have won? — but that might be less significant as evidence that the poll’s an outlier than as evidence that it may not be such an outlier a few years from now. (More than half the votes cast in the poll were by those 25 years old or younger.) (Hot Air)

This was a voting body made up of the future of the conservative movement, such as it is.  I’ll leave the other political ramifications of the CPAC conference for other blogs.  But the future, for at least marriage equality, holds great promise.

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  • 1. K!r!lleXXI  |  February 21, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Conservatives should not be stopping gay marriage because marriage is a conservative thing, they should be welcoming us for fighting so hard to be able to enjoy this institution, a conservative one, judging by opinions from Europe where less and less people want to enter this institution because of all the legal consequences, they don’t care their children will be born out of wedlock, they don’t care about benefits and rights, they don’t want the government to be a part of their families…

    Marriage is dying all over the world. Conservatives should be glad we want it so much. And even though we come off like some sort of libertarians, many of us are conservative, we want marriage, not so much for all those benefits, but for the sake of tradition that love between two people should be celebrated and perpetuated in marriage!

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    • 2. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:01 pm

      Conservatives really don’t care about the gay issue! Gay people bring money and intelligence and manpower and money….real conservatives know what is valuable…defending marriage just costs money and loses business.

      Those who are fighting so hard against gay marriage have personal issues. Happy people could care less about who gets married or how they live their personal lives.

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      • 3. G. Rod  |  February 22, 2010 at 5:38 am

        Religion drives this agenda. If you can’t see it in California, look to Maine.
        Perhaps the battle needs to be enjoined denomination by denomination at a time. Gays in Virginia ought to transfer their membership to the Episcopalian Church. Last weekend were they not just short of approving the blessing of same sex marriage? Sixteen dioceses, including three since last summer, have same sex blessings. That denomination is expected to endorse some kind of rite at its 2012 meeting.

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      • 4. Dave T  |  February 22, 2010 at 6:37 am

        The fight against gay marriage brings (in the short term) more money, at least to these organizations. That’s what’s important to them.

        Seriously, all the bozos at NOM would be out of work if they gave up the fight. So regardless of how they actually feel about the issue, they’re not about to simply stop working on this when it’s been so lucrative for them.

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    • 5. David Kimble  |  February 22, 2010 at 10:11 am

      Just so we are all on the same page – the Libertarians are conservative and even more so than any other of the current parties, when it comes to finance. They hold a spartan view, when it comes to what should be done by the government. They firmly believe in smaller government, as a way to control spending, yet I am not certain this could be accomplished given the many social programs, like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid being at the forefront front of American life. While they may be advancing in numbers against the Republicans, I doubt very seriously they will garner much strength from the Democrats.

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    • 6. David Kimble  |  February 22, 2010 at 10:37 am

      K!r!lleXXI – I went to your website yesterday and tried to leave you a message there, but I have to have your approval first – can you unblock me? I am seaman93555. <3 David

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      • 7. K!r!lleXXI  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:11 am

        @David
        If by my website you mean my YouTube channel page, and by messaging you mean leaving a comment openly for everyone to read on that page, then it is not my fault — YouTube is on the fritz, I can’t leave comments to people’s channels as well. I haven’t blocked anyone anywhere, so I don’t know how to unblock you; I imagine personal massaging engine should work just fine, but, then again, I haven’t received any messages from anyone after I stumbled upon this problem las week, maybe it also doesn’t work.

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  • 8. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 21, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    So, once again, the politicians are NOT listening to the people they claim to represent. Whay does that NOT surprise me in the least?

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    • 9. waxr  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:37 am

      It is not a matter of numbers, it is a matter of how ardent they are on the issues. So what if over 52 percent of conservatives may place reducing the size of government as the number one issue? Nobody gets excited about that.

      So only 3 percent of conservatives consider same sex marriage to be important? They are emotionally against it! They donate money, make phone calls, white letters, show up at rallies, and work the precincts. They make themselves heard, and get the attention of the politicians and voters.

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      • 10. Linda  |  February 22, 2010 at 7:34 am

        Nope; the survey is of younger voters (younger than 25). What it points out, quite graphically, is the ssm issue is a NON-ISSUE to them. Their parents are the ones doling out the money and the hours and the b***s*** to get people to vote away our rights.

        But I do agree that emotion is the tool that they use. Of course, they have to use lies and scare tactics (and ‘wrath of God’ threats) to manipulate their ‘constituents’. But, waxr, emotion is completely different than passion. Emotion is like a match flame, it ignites and then immediately proceeds to burn out.
        Passion, on the other hand, is constantly refueling. It doesn’t burn out; rather, it grows stronger.

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      • 11. Don  |  February 22, 2010 at 2:27 pm

        I think you’re mistaken. The vote was taken at the CPAC meeting, held recently. It was a large convention. The audence skewed young, because Ron Paul probably organized to get college students out, to suport him. He won the Presedental Straw poll. He’s of the Libertarian wing of concervatives. But there were plenty of other concervatives there. Suposedly half of the attendees were under twenty-five. But even if that group was eliminated, two percent had stoping gay marriage as their second priority, none as their highest priority. NOM was there, as well. Maybe it’s not their top priority, or didn’t care to vote, or it might be because the percentage was rounded off from less than half a percent to zero.

        I think that ranking priorities like this is of limited value and doesn’t predict, how even that group, might vote on a ballot maeasure on a low priority item.

        love,
        don

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      • 12. Prup (aka Jim Benton)  |  February 24, 2010 at 8:08 am

        I don’t understand the elation at these results. Is ‘stopping gay marriage’ among their top two concerns? No. But homestly, as important as it is, ‘passing gay marriage’ isn’t one of MY top two concerns either — because Health Care Reform, a jobs bill, appointment of judges, fixing the filibuster so that ‘majority rules’ is again potentially possible (and thus fixing a broken government), accepting and doing something about global warming, and financial reregulation are all more important to more people — and to the functioning of our government AND to insuring that the Republicans — with their anti-gay agenda — don’t make a comeback.

        I would like to have seen a poll which did not list a ‘top two’ buit asked for each issue whether it was very important, important, not too important, or whether they opposed it. Then ‘stopping gay marriage’ would have ranked much higher.

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  • 13. Ronnie  |  February 21, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    So basically they just told all young Americans that your vote is worth SHITE and should not be counted…real nice way to alienate eligible voters and those who will be eligible to vote in 3 years…..they just keep digging themselves deeper into that whole….<3…Ronnie

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    • 14. Prup (aka Jim Benton)  |  February 24, 2010 at 8:48 am

      I am sorry to be so pessimistic in my comments, but I can’t agree with the idea that ‘all young Americans’ are pro gay rights. The Daily Kos/PPP poll of Republicans showed that younger Republicans were less homophobic than older Republicans — but by relatively small amounts. (In other areas though, the numbers were closer, gay rights shows the biggest separation.)

      Still, the numbers aren’t exactly encouraging. There were four questions asked, and the splits between 18-29 (y) and 60+ were as follows (figures are yes-no-not sure with ‘yes’ referrong to the pro-gay side):

      1) allowing gays to serve in military:
      Y: 31-47-22
      O: 23-60-17

      2) allowing ssm:
      Y: 11-74-15
      O: 5-78-17

      3) giving ss couples ANY state or federal benefits
      Y: 15-64-21
      O: 9-69-22

      and — the most surprising vote of all, given that this battle has been fought and won

      4)should openly gay men and women be allowed to teach in public schools
      Y:9-71-20
      N:7-74-19

      Ronnie, I know there is a generational difference on gay matters — and has been since Stonewall (I was 21 when that happened) but it is much less strong that it can appear. (People my age remember the idea of youthful rebellion in the sixties — but more 1st time voters in 1968 went for George Wallace than Gene McCarthy.) We forget that today’s ‘younger generation’ includes the ‘homeschooled generation’ and a lot of children of conservative parents growing up in conservative areas. (In every one of these questions, in fact, I believe in every single question asked, the geographical splits are more pronounced than the age ones, with the NE being more liberal than the younger generation, and the south being more conservative.)

      We have to build on that youth split, yes, and more importantly keep people from turning more homophobic as they age — those ‘awful 60+ers’ were at least 18 when Stonewall happened, and they were the group whose youth meant that homophobia was dying out as the ‘old farts’ of the era died off. Didn’t happen.

      All I am saying is to back off from too much over-optomism towards them. They are more friendly than their elders, but still are opposed to us, still see us as ‘dangers to their children’ — the only explanation for the vote on gay teachers — and still have a lot of hate in them.

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      • 15. Ronnie  |  February 24, 2010 at 9:02 am

        I disagree….first I don’t follow polls because they are in no way representative of all people….the only way to know would be to force everybody to vote and attach a lie detecter to them while they are doing it….like I have posted before there are 100+ people in my family and not one anti-LGBTQQI including a 95yo JW Male who served in the Navy during WWII….most of my family in under 40 and a large % is under 30….and 3rd….polls can be faked, rigged, and well biased….<3…Ronnie

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      • 16. Prup (aka Jim Benton)  |  February 24, 2010 at 9:31 am

        There are certainly accepting people around. There always have been. (Again, I grew up in a lesbian household in the Ozzie-and-Harriet-land of Suburban Jersey in the 50s, yet we were generally accepted.

        Not ‘pillars of the community,’ we were too broke and my ‘birth-mother’ had a few problems that didn’t help, but generally accepted in a lower middle-class Catholic suburban community.

        As for the poll it was a poll of Republican opinion, commissioned by the left wing Daily Kos. maybe they wanted to make Republicans seem crazier than they are, but the PPP is a pretty reliable organization, and the consistency of the results and the ‘splits’ — men are consistently more conservative by about 4 points, the young are very slightly less conservative than the old, etc — show that — given the unreliability of polls as exact measurements — this is a pretty good one for showing general trends.

        Again, I’m on your side, I want to see these positions won while I’m still alive to celebrate — in fact my greatest regret is that Billie and Claire didn’t survive much past Stonewall and never could celebrate their own love publicly. All I am saying is don’t assume an inevitability, know it is a long haul satill and let that inspire rather than depress you.

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      • 17. Ronnie  |  February 24, 2010 at 9:49 am

        Oh trust me it doesn’t depress me in any way…..if anything it make fight harder…and now that the Hateros are publicly stating that they want to re-criminalize and be aloud to bash and murder LGBTQQI people by trying to repeal the Hate crimes act……I believe the protesting and violence of the 60’s and Stonewall are is inevitably going to return times 3….The gov. will not be able to ignore that…It has already started….Like I said we are peaceful now but push us any further and the gloves are off…..You can ignore a sleeping volcano but you cannot ignore the eruption….<3…Ronnie

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      • 18. Ed-M  |  February 25, 2010 at 1:25 am

        Ronnie, some of them even want to enact a “Kill The Gays And Their Allies” bill here!

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      • 19. Ronnie  |  February 25, 2010 at 6:26 am

        I like to see them try….and then they can see if I don’t do it first….pift…..<3….Ronnie

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  • 20. Joe  |  February 21, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Likewise, one year later, a poll was given to Iowans of what should the legislature give it’s priority to this legislative session. Defeating gay marriage was last, after standardizing the way concealed-weapons permits are issued.

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20102080322

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  • 21. Linda  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Hmm….

    Could it be that our youngest generation of voters are much less influenced by the dogma coming from the pulpit, and much less interested in controlling everyone else’s lives? Could it be that they know LGBT’s and realize that we are people, just like they are? Could it be that they truly believe in civil rights for all, and would prefer to see the millions of dollars wasted on this issue to be spent in better ways?

    That must scare the s*** out of all those middle-aged bigots! No wonder they’re desperate to get as much anti-gay legislation passed as possible. They know that if they don’t do it, it won’t get done, ever.

    I’m laughing! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

    We’ll continue to fight. Our civil rights should never be dependent on the majority vote. But won’t it be nice for our next generation to not have to face this sort of persecution.

    Love,
    Linda

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    • 22. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:07 pm

      Linda,

      It is good to see you laugh. Really, this is a big joke on those who are wasting their time and money, it is a losing battle. As education increases and knowledge spreads people are really getting a handle on what is important in life.

      Without going on in a long comment, the answer is happiness. What person wants to waste their time on such an unhappy fruitless crusade? Not many. The anti-gay anti-‘let others be happy’ movement is going to die rapidly in this country!!!

      Soon we can focus on helping other less fortunate countries to find true happiness!

      Felyx-Dedicated to a happy world!

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      • 23. Prup (aka Jim Benton)  |  February 24, 2010 at 9:06 am

        Felyx, I’m not trying to be a downer today, let trying to bring some realism to the discussion. I got giddy myself in the late sixties, when all the changes you foresee looked like they were about to be happening. (If I had been told that I’d still be fighting for gay rights, legalization of marijuana, protesting an illegal war, and even fighting for women’s equal pay (The Lily Ledbetter Act) forty years from then I would have laughed. Either the chages would have happened, or America would have become so repressive that these fights would have been meaningless. Ironically, of all the fights that were going on, GLBT rights have done better than any other.)

        But we have to keep fighting, keep arguing, and we can’t abandon politics — we tried that after Nixon and gor a period where the ‘liberal democrats’ moved to the right of where the “Eisenhower Republicans’ had been.

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      • 24. K!r!lleXXI  |  February 24, 2010 at 9:26 am

        @Prup
        I think this country is dying, like any great empire there was in our history. Every empire is destined to die. The previous one was USSR. USA is next. I’m not saying that it is a bad thing, but I think this is that great difference that we have now and that you didn’t have 40 years ago.

        Now it is obvious that the end is coming. And that end will bring a lot of differences. People will finally wake up, just for a little while, but they will. Trust me, I know, I’ve seen them wake up when I was a child living in USSR. And I’ve seen them desperately reaching for something they were deprived of for too long, and that time of change will also bring us equality in the former USA — whatever will be left of it.

        Of course, the question is, will there be some stupid politician who will bring it about sooner rather than later because of his screwed-up decisions, or it will be going on for much longer with patching up holes in economy and everything else?

        Only, the pattern is clear: it’s coming, and it’s inevitable.

        –K♥r♥ll

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      • 25. Felyx  |  February 24, 2010 at 9:33 am

        Prup,

        Your generation has been invaluable. Thank you for all you have done. Truly.

        My generation will be taking over now…and we have the internet. Stand back and feel the pleasure of rights being won.

        Sincerely,
        Felyx

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      • 26. Prup (aka Jim Benton)  |  February 24, 2010 at 9:47 am

        K!rr!lle — Can I call you Kyril please — if the American Empire is ending, I see little similaritry to the end of the USSR — or to the end of the British Empire earlier. If anything, the conditions remind me of the end of Willhemine Germany, a total collapse of the country, a weak and unloved democracy in place, and a fight for control between the farthest crazies of the left and right.

        Maybe a better scenario is the ones Heilein laid out in his stories concerning Nehemiah Scudder, a religiously-based authoritarianism supported by a large proportion of the populace. The ‘waking up’ you forsee happened already, what is replacing it is a flood of the New Irrationalism. It’s that which we have to fear and fight.

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      • 27. K!r!lleXXI  |  February 24, 2010 at 10:24 am

        @Prup
        You can call me anything you want, I don’t care… Easter Bunny, Shrimp (because Kirill → krill = shrimp — our internal joke). :)

        The majority of people cannot see anymore that they do not have a real democracy in USA. If anything, it is a theocracy and crazyocracy. I’m not saying it’s better in Russia, because it’s worse: Russia continues to decay in its own filth, in everything USSR left us with; we had our chance, we didn’t take it (didn’t have politicians who would really care about the country, not about their own wealth), but in the heat of the moment when everyone woke up in early 1990s, we got sodomy law repealed and some other stuff (USA completely repealed sodomy laws only in 2003, 10 years later! talk about progress!).

        As for the better form of government, I wholeheartedly agree with Churchill:

        Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

        Funny as it is, it is also sad and true. I oppose any religiously-governed regime: any religion is a collection of dogmas and statements that consequently would not be so easy to contest and abolish if in time it becomes clear that they are simply not true and should be changed. Religions rely on traditions and sanctity of their teachings, whatever they say, no matter how crazy they turn out in time. And if they cannot keep up with the progress, they will only hold us back, into the real pit, not the one that exists in Christians’ imagination.

        Waking-up already happened? Well, I don’t live in USA, you should know better. I hope this process of the old empire going down and a new country being born instead will go as smoothly as possible.

        –K♥r♥ll

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    • 28. Dave T  |  February 22, 2010 at 6:39 am

      Unfortunately, they’re likely to get louder and more obnoxious (not to mention probably more violent) before they fade away.

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      • 29. Felyx  |  February 22, 2010 at 7:29 am

        It doesn’t matter how loud they get, they do not have the staying power we have!!! They are fighting for money and power and control….always a losing proposition, we fight for love and equality. You can compete with that?!!!

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      • 30. Linda  |  February 22, 2010 at 7:44 am

        Dave T–Oh definitely. Ever see a toddler have a fit? Well, it looks (and sounds) much the same. Leave them alone long enough and they’ll eventually wear themselves out and stop. That’s my point about emotion (see post above). Emotion is transient. But passion is different. We have Passion for our Cause.

        We’ll win.

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      • 31. Dave T  |  February 22, 2010 at 8:10 am

        We absolutely have more staying power than they do and we will win in the end.

        It’s just going to be SOOOO tiresome getting there…

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      • 32. Bill  |  February 22, 2010 at 8:26 am

        We will know they are on their last argument when they start blaming us for our own oppression.

        Mark my words.

        It is ALWAYS the last battle-cry of the bigot.

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  • 33. Linda  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    forgot to subscribe….

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    • 34. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 26, 2010 at 2:47 pm

      They have been accusing us of oppressing them for years, so blaming us for being oppresssed is not that far a stretch. And actually it would only be the same song, different verse fr them. Remember, they blamed the men and women who were found to have HIV rather than trying to help find a cure for it.

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  • 35. Richard W. Fitch  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    It really points to the fact that those who seem to think they are in charge are more interested in protecting their monopoly on marriage than listening to the true conservatives in their midst. Again, it smells of politics driven by theocratic aspiration.

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  • 36. Ronnie  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Just think about this (to the Bigots)…unemployment is still rising…….cost of college is at an all time high……Homelessness is at an all time high and the majority of that is young people…..Healthcare is ridiculously unaffordable……the average cost of milk,bacon,eggs, and bread is at least $3……our entire everyday average world is run by electronics and technology which does not come at a low price….all that money that is wasted on your holy crusade to destroy other people lives…Oops I mean “protect” marriage (as if it is a thing or person that is in danger….I hear there is spray for that and a vest of the bulletproof variety, and fire retardant clothing) ….. can be used to reduce the levels of those things….you know those people are unhappy too….I mean I’m glad me being a Gay man is so high on your list of thing to pay attention too(oh wait that poll say differently)…but seriously I very flattered and honored that I mean so much too you…what ever will I do without you in my life?…..Get married?….well if you can supply me with a steady boyfriend that would be GREAT….Move on with my life?….oh a boy could dream can’t he………Learn how to stay young forever?….Well if I had the money (that you have) i could get plastic surgery until the day I die and leave a very good looking 110yo corpse(current life expectancy or something like that)…..Or better yet I could figure out how to live forever?…..I wonder if Edward Cullen can help out with that one even though I am apart of team Jacob….And then maybe I can figure out how to get harsher punishment for parole violators Stan…and WORLD PEACE…….<3…Ronnie

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    • 37. Linda  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:36 pm

      Ronnie, you crack me up! I LOVE ‘Miss Congeniality’! And I also loved ‘Legally Blonde, the musical’. I know you love the movie, I assume you’ve seen the musical version as well…..?

      “Is he gay, or European? Wait, he’s gay AND European!”

      Always makes me laugh!
      Love,
      Linda

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      • 38. Ronnie  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:42 pm

        LMAO….”totally proposal eyes”….Oh my god…oh my god you guys”….”It’s a us, the Girls from Delta Nu”…….”hand me my dog, hand me my bag, and an American Flag”…..”TAKE A PICTURE!!!!”……I’m a musical Queen and dang proud of it…hehehe….<3…Ronnie

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    • 39. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:39 pm

      ‘Fire Retardant Clothing’…..

      Is that something thems ‘retards’ wear when they go to the lake of fire? Hehehe!

      I once told a Evangelist trying to convert me that I would never willing join a religion that would send me to Hell!!!

      (Guess it’s cuz I can’t afford the clothing! ROTFLMAO!)

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      • 40. Ronnie  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:44 pm

        Or the SPF……hehehe……<3…Ronnie

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      • 41. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:01 pm

        And I for one have had to tell more than one person who wanted to trash me for being openly gay that he would need the asbestos underwear before I would.

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      • 42. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:36 pm

        Richard,

        They are not called Asbestos Underwear….

        The Mormons refer to them as Sacred Vestments!!

        Hehehehe! (Ronnie, you should be hearing the witch from bugs bunny when I type this!!) <3 Felyx

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      • 43. Ronnie  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:42 pm

        But wait I thought the Mormon underwear shimmered?……Dang it more lies….thats what made “Latter Days”…”Latter Days”….now that movie is ruined for me…thanks…..<3…Ronnie

        (Felyx, you should be picturing Dane Cook when I say that thanks)….lol

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      • 44. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 21, 2010 at 9:15 pm

        Actually, the ones I have had the privilege of removing from their little elders who visited my little hometown in West Virginia felt more like wool, and not the very well-spun kind–the scratchy kind. I wonder if that is why so many of them are so angry all the time? They have an itch that cannot be scratched?

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      • 45. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 9:25 pm

        I’ll say!!!

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      • 46. Ronnie  |  February 21, 2010 at 9:28 pm

        Somebody should introduce them to Andrew Christian Underwear…good quality, affordable, enough said….hehehe…<3…Ronnie

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      • 47. Joe  |  February 21, 2010 at 9:52 pm

        My favorite line from Latter Days… “A religion without gays or alcohol? I can’t imagine heaven without either!”

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  • 48. Linda  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Looking at that chart I see that 52% of the respondants marked ‘reducing size of federal government’ as their first or second choice. It makes sense, then, that they really are not concerned about stopping gay marriage. If they want to reduce federal government, they’re not going to want to add yet more regulations and restrictions.
    Duh!!!

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    • 49. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:56 pm

      The ‘Doing Away With Abortion’ bothers me. I don’t think trying to accomplish that through laws is in any way appropriate.

      It has been shown that increased education and increase support of women in the workforce are excellent ways of increasing peoples desires to preplan for children. Contraceptions help too as so often abortion is really post-conception contraception. Less expensive and emotionally traumatic to take care of that before hand.

      If we as a species worked more towards helping ourselves be happy and productive there would be a significant decline in the need to do drastic things like abort. The rate of abortion would be so low that there would be no need for laws.

      Take care of people first and ‘bad stuff’ will become less of a bother.

      Just my opinion. Felyx

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      • 50. Kevin S.  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:03 pm

        The illogic behind anti-abortionists opposing contraception and education is mind-numbing. Despite thousands of years of behavioral evidence to the contrary, people still think that saying “Don’t do it” is more effective than teaching responsibility, then they wonder why the abortion rate goes up.

        These people are often the same people who think being gay is so abominable. You’d think they’d be all for it, since gay sex can’t lead to pregnancy!

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      • 51. Ronnie  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:09 pm

        ah….but a turkey baster does….bwaaaaaa….<3…Ronnie

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      • 52. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:19 pm

        Yes, Ronnie, a Turkey baster CAN lead to pregnancy. I still remember the case in Chicago. Two lesbians. And you know what? I don’t blame them one little bit.

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      • 53. Kevin S.  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:28 pm

        Ah, Glee. I only watched a couple episodes before giving up on it, but I particularly enjoyed the turkey baster line.

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      • 54. Linda  |  February 21, 2010 at 9:47 pm

        Ah yes; abortion. My relatives are all staunchly against abortion. Of course, my cousin had an abortion; and my aunt encouraged her daughter (a different cousin) to have an abortion. But that’s different apparently. Their situations were the exception, apparently.

        HYPOCRITS!!!

        To me, the abortion issue is part of the larger issue of women’s rights.

        And you’re right, Felyx; education about preventing pregnancy would be much better. But see, those that oppose abortion are often the same ones who refuse to talk about sex with their kids because it’s dirty and sinful.

        Such repression!

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      • 55. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 21, 2010 at 10:03 pm

        Yes, you are so right, Linda! they are so repressed. What is really so ironic is that everyone considers the Victorian era tobe the time when people were such prudes, and yet when you actually look at letters people wrote, or the books and songs of the era, even pictures that were made, and stage shows, the Victorians had a much healthier view of human sexuality than we do today! In fact, the biggest complaints against Oscar Wilde were not the fact that he was gay, but that people thought he was pretending to be gay, because he was married! As for abortion and honest teaching about sexual functions and the reproductive system, it is more than just repression that keeps people from talking about it with their children–it is fear. They are so scared that if they teach their children the facts, that their children will become promiscuous. this flies in the face of all the peer-reviewed studies that have proven when our children are taught all the consquences they face, the incidence of teen-age promiscuity actually drops and the rate of abortions also drops. I see nothing wrong with planning out when you are going to have children, or even planning IF you are going to have children. And the only time I object to abortion is when someone is having one every six or eight months because she will not use preventive measures and because her boyfriend is not man enough to use preventive measures. AndI particularly do not like partial-birth abortions. If you have carried the child to the stage where he or she can live if you went into labor on that day, then place the child for adoption, please. there are so many of us who would dealry love to have a child to raise and love, a child we could train to know that he or she is a very worthy person who deserves to have the best life has to offer. And Linda, I look forward to the day you and Leslie can not only live together in the same house, but also be married. And we shall see that day soon.

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      • 56. Linda  |  February 21, 2010 at 10:44 pm

        Richard–Thank you. Yes, Leslie and I hope to be able to marry. We may make the trip up to Canada; or we may have a commitment ceremony in our home. I do hold out hope that prop 8 will be repealed.

        Re: abortion, and talking with kids about sex, etc. Don’t you find that religious people are really repressed sexually? They seem afraid to admit that they enjoy it. When discussing sex with my own children I told them that it can be incredible, or it can be horrid. It all depends on who you’re with and why you’re doing it.

        Abortion needs to remain a personal decision. A woman has to have authority over her own body. Some women abuse this right, it’s true; but we can’t rescind it because some take immoral advantage of it. (IMHO).

        I appreciate your posts, Richard. You make good points, and you express your thoughts very well. I enjoy reading them and gaining insight.
        Love,
        Linda

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      • 57. fiona64  |  February 22, 2010 at 6:40 am

        Well, Linda, you know it’s different when the anti-choice choose abortion. They “have to”; other women are just sluts.

        http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 58. fiona64  |  February 22, 2010 at 6:43 am

        Dear Richard:

        I must say that, quite frankly, the “woman having an abortion every six months” is a myth made up by the anti-choice folks. And no one is going into labor and asking for a mulligan on the whole thing. Late-term abortions by dilitation and extraction (DX), the correct term for “partial-birth abortion,” is a procedure reserved for wanted pregnancies gone desperately wrong in ways that cannot be detected earlier. It preserves the woman’s health and fertility. It is a sad and unfortunate thing that does happen. There are fewer than 100 of these procedures performed in a year.

        Just FYI.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 59. Dave T  |  February 22, 2010 at 8:15 am

        @fiona64: you write “And no one is going into labor and asking for a mulligan on the whole thing” – actually, my wife did. She was not happy when she was in labour :-)

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      • 60. fiona64  |  February 22, 2010 at 8:22 am

        ROFLOL, Dave.

        You know what I meant, though. :-P

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 61. Bill  |  February 22, 2010 at 8:28 am

        It is TOTALLY FINE to be against abortion.

        FOR YOUR OWN BODY.

        Other than that, it is absolutely none of anybody’s business. None at all. Not even 1 iota.

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      • 62. Sheryl  |  February 22, 2010 at 1:58 pm

        Fiona64, thanks for those statistics.

        I am definitely pro-choice on this issue. And what I find ludicrous about the other side is that they consider abortion murder and yet it is okay to murder the doctors and nurses and employees of abortion centers.

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      • 63. JQ  |  February 26, 2010 at 10:39 am

        @Fiona64 Comment #57

        Thank you so much for posting your comments. Those myths about abortion are so pervasive and designed solely to drum up support for anti-choice initiatives. Even the term ‘partial birth abortion’ was created by the National Right to Life Committee to vilify ‘pro-aborts’ and cast a negative light onto a medical procedure. And the only way to fight myths is to bust ’em!

        http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5168163

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    • 64. Sean  |  February 22, 2010 at 10:10 am

      You gotta love how conservatives are always whining about how government power should be reduced…and then they go saying shit like “oh, but YOU shouldn’t be allowed to get married. And YOU shouldnt’ be allowed to have that abortion. And YOU shouldn’t be allowed to speak out against what we believe!”

      So…do they want to reduce or expand government power? That’s called hypocrisy, boys and girls.

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    • 65. Prup (aka Jim Benton)  |  February 24, 2010 at 10:11 am

      Linda: You would be correct if the responders used words the way you do, or if they valued consistency or were as capable as most of us are of recognizing it. (There is a reason I refer to the “New Irrationalism.”) They don’t see it as an intrusion for government to enforce ‘morality’ — usually in Christian terms. They don’t want government to have economic power, or to tax them, but even the Saint of Libertarianism, the Texas Doctor, is pro forced pregnancies, racist — no governmenrt intervention like civil rights laws is one reason his followers include the Stormfront Crowd — and no fan of our rights.

      But they are more typically confused than vile. This is the crowd that calls Barack Obama. the centrist who has been so deferential to the legislature that he has gotten very little done, a ‘dictatorial socialist.’ showing little respect for evidence or the use of words. This is the “Keep Government’s hands off our Medicare” crowd. They wouldn’t recognize a logical contradiction wearing a name tag saying “Hi! I’m a logical contradiction.”

      (More later, when I get back to the computer, but have shopping and cat feedimg coming up at once. Yes, Kittenz, you can stop blocking the monitor now.)

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  • 66. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Question….what will Maggie do for employment when no one wants to waste their money any longer? Does she have are real job skills other than doggedly defending deficient dogma? I doubt she will be president of anything anymore…do you suppose she will end up a manager at BurderWorld or something? (God help the kids who have to work under her!!)

    Let’s hear your opinions…I really am curious!

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    • 67. Ronnie  |  February 21, 2010 at 7:52 pm

      It won’t be McDonalds or a character actor at Disney….they both support Marriage Equality…..The Salvation Army may be looking for sales associates…..I hear the position of Nanny for Sarah Palin’s grandchild is open…..but does Haggie know how to shoot a gun?……<3…Ronnie

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      • 68. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:04 pm

        No, Ronnie. The only thing Magpie knows how to shoot is her mouth. And she seems to do that before engaging her brain.

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      • 69. Ronnie  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:07 pm

        She has a brain?……<3…Ronnie

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      • 70. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:12 pm

        You’re right. Sorry about that mix-up. All Magpie has is an internal MP3 player that randomly spews out preprogrammed idiocy.

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      • 71. Ronnie  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:23 pm

        ROTFLMGAO!!!!!…..an MP3 player sold at the dollar store for a dime because its ancient that was implanted while she slept….that explains all those voices in her head….heheheeh…<3…Ronnie

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      • 72. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:31 pm

        Ronnie,
        I don’t see her working at SA…they usually only employ handicap.

        Ohhhh…….that’s right!!! Mentally challenged also qualifies! LOL

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      • 73. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:35 pm

        It would also explain the associated distortion, wouldn’t it?

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      • 74. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:40 pm

        Felyx, I think that is GoodWill, not the Sally. Of course, if MagPie ends up going to prison over the campaign contribution issue in Maine, she may not even be able to get a job at the SA, because they won’t hire convicted felons.

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      • 75. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:44 pm

        You are right of course…I was thinking GoodWill…..they would not hire her based on their name alone!!!

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      • 76. Ronnie  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:45 pm

        “Chain…chain..chain……Chain of FOOLS!!!!”….Oh Haggie orange is so your color…hehehe….<3…Ronnie

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      • 77. Michelle Evans  |  February 22, 2010 at 1:41 am

        As for the idea of The Salvation Army, on a serious note, I ask anyone on this site to always do what you can to avoid making any donations of any sort to support this organization. Yes, they are religious nutcases, but they also killed a transgender person in December 2008 in Austin, Texas.

        If anyone’s interested in the full story about what happened, I wrote a column on it. It is posted at the below location, and scroll down to the January 2009 column.

        http://www.mach25media.com/sexed101.html

        Thanks for your assistance in getting the word out to avoid this organization.

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    • 78. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:02 pm

      Felyx, I love the quadruple alliteration there (doggedly defending deficient dogma)! Way to go. Glad you are feeling better.

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      • 79. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:29 pm

        Me too. I was bleeding a lot there for awhile and it was really bugging me. I refuse to get a blood transfusion. I am walking more and able to do more work so soon you may not see much of me on here. Then again….I have become somewhat addicted! Hehehe!!! <3 Felyx

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      • 80. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:36 pm

        Felyx, remember this. You are in our prayers. And remember, you have our number, so feel free to call. My husband is a rabbi, so there is no such thing as a do not call time. If you need to talk to us we are here.

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      • 81. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:42 pm

        Thank you for the love! I look forward to Raleigh and action day….<3Felyx

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    • 82. Linda  |  February 22, 2010 at 7:24 am

      That’s easy: she’ll write a book and hit the lecture circuit.

      Works for Sarah Palin!!! (wink, wink)

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    • 83. Bill  |  February 22, 2010 at 8:29 am

      I think she’d make a hell of a stripper.

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      • 84. Felyx  |  February 22, 2010 at 8:40 am

        What a jerk Bill!!! Now I have lost my breakfast, my sense of well-being….Palin as a stripper is just aweful….and Maggie……..achhhht…….retch……crud…..there went last night’s dinner….and my will to live! <3Felyx

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      • 85. Felyx  |  February 22, 2010 at 8:42 am

        Oh I just got it……for her punishment she will be made to be a stripper in HELL!!!!!

        OK I feel better now. Pfffew! <3 Felyx

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  • 86. Ronnie  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Ok here is one…Dieter had mentioned the whole natural disasters thing on the “Ken Starr” thread comment #38(very enlightening stuff)….but NJ has started to have minor Earthquakes…there was one today….(I’m in NJ)…..the bill to legalize marriage equality here in NJ was rejected last month….coincidence?….I think not….<3…Ronnie

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    • 87. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:37 pm

      You are probably right, Ronnie. That does not sound like coincidence to me. And we all know that G-d definitely has her ways of letting people know when she is pissed!

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      • 88. Lynn Elwood  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:54 am

        Is that why most tornados hit the bible belt?? They seem to ignore that, don’t they?

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      • 89. Marlene Bomer  |  February 22, 2010 at 1:07 am

        OMG… that reminds me of the threats ol Pat “don’t you DARE call me Marion” Robertson spewed a few years back when Orlando put up pride flags on all of the city’s light poles:

        “I would warn Orlando that you’re right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don’t think I’d be waving those flags in God’s face if I were you, This is not a message of hate — this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It’ll bring about terrorist bombs; it’ll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor.”

        But of all the moronic things to ever come out of his perverted head is this: “(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.”

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      • 90. Felyx  |  February 22, 2010 at 3:14 am

        Wow!!! Feminism can do all that?!!! Women are awesome!!!!

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      • 91. Ed-M  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:17 pm

        We’ve had a meteroite hit somebody’s house in New Orleans. The house belonged to a heterosexual family. No-one was injured. “Kill teh gayz!!!!” scream the hateros. “Otherwise G-d will kill decent normal G-dfearing Christians!!!”

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  • 92. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    @Linda,

    If you parents are heavy into Biblical scripture I would recommend you get ‘What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality by Daniel A. Helminiak’. It is so well written that it would be convincing enough for a loving family to make a significant change in the way they view scripture.

    Only those who hold religion higher than family would refute the compelling research and obvious logic.

    High hopes,
    Felyx

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    • 93. Linda  |  February 21, 2010 at 9:01 pm

      Thanks Felyx, I’ll check it out. :)

      I’m sorry you’ve been sick, btw. I wasn’t aware. I hope you continue to grow stronger.
      Love,
      Linda

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      • 94. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 9:11 pm

        No worries….I will live. And if I don’t then that is ok too. Somethings are inevitable…..like the evolution of the human species. Universal marriage is just a matter of time….just you wait and see!!! <3Felyx

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      • 95. Felyx  |  February 21, 2010 at 9:13 pm

        Hey, got an excellent site for you that covers all the basics…

        http://www.truthsetsfree.net/study.html

        I still recommend getting the book. It supports the author and you can pass it on to those in need!<3Felyx

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  • 96. waxr  |  February 21, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Daily Bible Passage:

    Song of Songs 2:3
    Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest,
    so is my beloved among the young men.
    I delight to sit in his shade,
    and his fruit is sweet to my taste.

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    • 97. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 7:00 am

      See…the bible is sooooooo Gay……..<3…Ronnie

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  • 98. waxr  |  February 21, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Daily Bible Passage II

    Song of Songs 4:12-5:1

    You are a locked garden, my sister, my bride;
    you are an enclosed spring, a sealed-up fountain.
    Your shoots are a royal garden full of pomegranates
    with choice fruits:
    henna with nard,
    nard and saffron;
    calamus and cinnamon with every kind of spice,
    myrrh and aloes with all the finest spices.
    You are a garden spring,
    a well of fresh water flowing down from Lebanon.

    Awake, O north wind; come, O south wind!
    Blow on my garden so that its fragrant spices may send out their sweet smell.
    May my beloved come into his garden
    and eat its delightful fruit!

    I have entered my garden, O my sister, my bride;
    I have gathered my myrrh with my balsam spice.
    I have eaten my honeycomb and my honey;
    I have drunk my wine and my milk!

    Eat, friends, and drink!
    Drink freely, O lovers!

    ———————
    NET Bible translation
    http://net.bible.org/bible.php

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    • 99. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 6:59 am

      Ooo….Honey Combs…..I havn’t had those in years…..I love that cereal…..do they still make that?…….<3…Ronnie

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    • 100. Linda  |  February 22, 2010 at 7:25 am

      blah, blah, blah…..

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      • 101. waxr  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:04 am

        I am disappointed that you do not appreciate the beauty in Song of Songs

        In the above passage you must see the garden and the flowing stream, you must hear the blowing of the wind and feel it upon your body. You must smell the myrrh and the spices, taste the honeycomb and become drunk on the wine.

        Eat, friends, and drink!
        Drink freely, O lovers!

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      • 102. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:08 am

        Wine is for sissies…….I want my Vodka!!!!!!…….<3…Ronnie

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    • 103. JimiG  |  February 22, 2010 at 7:52 am

      Song of Songs always makes me horny, I just want to go play in the garden of love, passion and sex. Thanks for the verse.

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      • 104. waxr  |  February 22, 2010 at 10:42 am

        I am glad to see that you enjoy Song of Songs for what it is, a collection of love poetry, and not some allegory about Jesus’ love for the Church or other nonsense.

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    • 105. Linda  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:33 am

      I Sam. 18:1 (NIV) “After David had finished talking with Saul, Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself.”

      Sounds like marriage to me.
      Love,
      Linda

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      • 106. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 26, 2010 at 3:04 pm

        You are so right about that, Linda. In fact, even though we are a Jewish household here, we have a copy of the book Jonathan Loved David by Dr. Thomas M. Horner that goes into detail about homosexuality in the Bible and it seems very appropriate that Dr. Horner is an Episcopal priest. Here is the infomration for you and anyone else who would like to find it and see if it is still in print.

        Jonathan Loved David
        Thomas Horner
        ISBN 0-664-24185-9
        copyright 1978
        The Westminster Press
        Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

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  • 107. rf  |  February 22, 2010 at 6:35 am

    Ronnie – The NJ earthquakes are happening out by me in one of NJ’s repuglican strongholds. in fact, our charming governor lives right in the strike zone. So if the womyn upstairs is angry, seems like she’s going after the bigots and not NJ’s godless masses. unfortunately, I live among them and although it was cool to feel it, would prefer my house didn’t fall down…

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    • 108. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 6:45 am

      Oh don’t get me started on that guy (gluttony is a sin)…..I don’t have a problem with plus-size people….my mother is plus-size and I love her….I have even got her to accept the fact that she is plus-size…now she doesn’t care…but anyway, I’m sure Christie is responsible for some of the earth displacement just by stepping out of bed…..bwaaaaaaa!!!!…..I just find it funny that whenever the NJ gov. or the people do anything that is anti-LGBTQQIA…..a natural disaster hits…….<3…Ronnie

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  • 109. Dave T  |  February 22, 2010 at 7:06 am

    Here’s some crap from the CPAC convention: Real men marry women.

    Let the parodies begin!

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    • 110. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 7:12 am

      Oh Jesus’s body is a cracker…..Oh Tiger Woods is such a man…..Senator Mozaerot(spelling) is such a man for slashing his now fiancee with a broken bottle……

      I’ve got one:

      “Real Men take it like a Man”……<3…Ronnie

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      • 111. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 7:15 am

        Senator Monserrate…..whoa….I was way off…..F-it…he’s a wife beater….who cares if I “F” up his name…..<3…Ronnie

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    • 112. Tony Douglass in Ca  |  February 22, 2010 at 7:22 am

      Photo Caption: Okay mom, I did what you wanted, can I get back to my gf now??

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    • 113. Felyx  |  February 22, 2010 at 7:43 am

      I thought Real Men Love Jesus….Good thing you don’t actually have to marry the one you love!!!

      Also, as an ordained minister I would have to agree that Real Men Marry Women….to Other Women!

      (Hehehe! Real Men…Heheheheheh!!!!-Broom-Hilda)

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      • 114. Ed-M  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:34 pm

        Actually at the Second Coming there’s going to be a wedding and reception called “The Marriage Supper of the Lamb.” and all those real men WILL have to marry him! Bwaaaaah…

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  • 115. JimiG  |  February 22, 2010 at 8:01 am

    The other day I got in trouble at work. I work with college students, one of them complained about me (happens). My boss said to me I needed to understand that a persons (college student) perspective is often their reality.

    Can’t stop thinking about it, we who support SS marriage and LGBT need to recognize that it’s not their minds or beliefs we need to change but maybe their perspective.

    I believe the witnesses during the trial have done a great job shaping the way to shift or change peoples perspective.

    Bible guy, really song of songs like I said now I am just horny, lots of sex and love in the bible.

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    • 116. David Kimble  |  February 22, 2010 at 10:28 am

      I prefer to think of it, as changing their hearts, rather their perspectives. Some of those in the world of theology cannot see beyond their own prejudices to realize they are bigots. <3 David

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  • 117. Felyx  |  February 22, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Nothing new….but a completely excellent article.

    http://wakingupnow.com/blog/gay-judges-conservative-christian-privilege

    Enjoy!

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  • 118. Felyx  |  February 22, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Wow! We thought it was bad in Russia or Iran?…..Just wait til you see what Uganda has planned!!!

    Even heterosexuals can get the death penalty just for knowing someone thinks they might be gay!!!

    http://wakingupnow.com/blog/uganda-kill-everyone-video

    That’s it….I am moving to Mars! (I wonder how long it will take to learn the language?)<3 Felyx

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    • 119. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 9:21 am

      Oh HELL No…..that’s it…..we need to take all of the good people out of Uganda and then NUKE it!!!!!……….<3…Ronnie

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    • 120. Michelle Evans  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:14 am

      You’ll have to learn Chinese since America has ceded its leadership in space with the new Obama policy of shutting down our space program. Definitely off topic, but I could get into a nice tirade about how the Obama administration has let us down in this area as well as on same gender marriage and civil rights.

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  • 121. Bill  |  February 22, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Off topic, but here’s a very interesting article about Obama’s flip-flopping stance on same-sex marriage…

    http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2010/02/expediency.html

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  • 122. Alan E.  |  February 22, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Yesterday at the grocery store, a guy was out front asking for money for some organization (I ignore them all except Girl Scouts, and even then I try hard to ignore their cuteness and overpriced but delicious cookies). My husband had walked into the store ahead of me as I got a cart. The guy approached me and said:

    Man: “Are you brothers?”

    Me: “Excuse me?” (At this point I thought he was asking me if I was a “brother” since he was black. I thought it was a strange way to start a conversation to ask for money for his cause.)

    Man: “Are you two, like, brothers, or something? You got out of the car at the same time and seem like you act like brothers, but you don’t look alike at all.”

    Me: “Or something…we’re married.” I showed him my ring and left it at that. He didn’t talk to us on the way out to ask for money. I know he saw us, but he turned his head away quickly to pretend he didn’t see us.

    *facepalm*

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    • 123. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 9:28 am

      “We’re Brothers”….hehehe….RENT….gotta love it….<3…Ronnie

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    • 124. Bill  |  February 22, 2010 at 9:28 am

      That’s the same thing whites used to do to him when he went to the grocery store.

      He must have felt powerful and vindicated to have the opportunity reciprocate.

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    • 125. K!r!lleXXI  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:40 am

      @Alan
      Good for you!
      We should never be embarrassed and should always be proud to be married to people we love! and call them our spouses! In their bigoted “brotherly” faces!

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    • 126. Kevin S.  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:59 am

      Bigotry > eating?

      Got it.

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      • 127. Kevin S.  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:34 pm

        Wait, I misread that, but it’s even worse. Turning down aid for yourself because you don’t like who somebody is might be stupid, but to cut off possible aid for people you’re supposed to be helping is just abysmal.

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    • 128. Chief's Pea  |  February 22, 2010 at 5:43 pm

      Uhhhh, Allen E…. Here’s a little FYI about why I won’t ever buy or eat another Girl Scout cookie:

      Last year; 2009… A lesbian friend and her partner of 13 years decided that it might be a good idea to enroll their daughter in the girl scouts. Everything went well for a couple months until they had a project where the girls had to tell a story about their daddies. My friend went to the troop leader to ask that her daughter be excused from the project. When ased what the reason was for her request, she honestly responded that her daughter didn’t have a daddy, but that she had two mommies. She was not informed of any upcoming meetings from that point and about a month later received a letter from the main office of the Girl Scouts in Wshington State which (basically) said that her daughter was no longer welcomed.

      I will stand firm aganst the discrimination and not ever buy another cookie from them. (which SUCKS since I LOVE Girl Scout cookies!! B it is a sacrifice I am willing and happy to make.)

      Deb M.

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  • 129. Bill  |  February 22, 2010 at 9:29 am

    On another note, I once introduced my partner to someone as ‘my partner.’

    The person asked me what type of business we were in.

    I replied, ‘monkey business.’

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    • 130. Bill  |  February 22, 2010 at 9:32 am

      that was @ Alan E

      I think I responded to the wrong post…

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    • 131. JQ  |  February 26, 2010 at 11:05 am

      hahahahaha.

      Although I’m not a big fan of the ‘my partner’ terminology…I L.O.V.E. that response.

      Monkey business…hahahaha. Good one.

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  • 132. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Oh the hypocrisy of it all….although O.T. it just points out the double standard of the Reichies:

    Rep. Pence: Stop Using Taxpayer Money to Fund Planned Parenthood
    Friday, February 19, 2010
    By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/61637

    There is just too much to rip into in this article but I would like to point out one thing……

    “Organizers estimate that 12,000 people are attending this year’s CPAC, which runs through Saturday, at the Washington Marriott Wardman Park Hotel in Washington, D.C.”………..as opposed to the 150 thousand people who attended the March for Equality back in October and the over 2 million people who openly support marriage equality on the FB page.

    and finally…. but what about my hard earned tax money?…..You Swatzies are using my tax money to pass laws against me….now does that seem fair?…..Nooooo!!!!….you’re a FOOL!!!!!!……….<3…Ronnie

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  • 136. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Another thing is…I don’t understand that they keep mentioning this “fundamental American Tradition”….that goes back to before the constitution and the time of…..I’m convinced that they intend to destroy anything and anyone who is not Christian…..it is evident in their choice of words or lack there of…..They keep talking about Christian values and morals….and leave out Jewish, Buddhists, Hindu, Islamic, Celtic, ect. ect. ect…..Not only are we at the precipice of a Civil War…we are on the edge of the same cliffs of Holy War and WWIII….JMHO…….<3…Ronnie

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    • 137. David Kimble  |  February 22, 2010 at 10:13 am

      Yes, haven’t you heard about the apocolypse that is coming to America, as a direct result of our “lifestyle”?

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      • 138. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 10:20 am

        Yes David K….but in a way they are also saying that anything and anyone who is not Christian is linked in with our “lifestyle”….Why don’t these people(other religions and nationalities) see though this?….It would be so easy for them to include those other denominations into their consensus and blah blah yada yada….but do not…..Like they said in “Bride Wars”…..”it’s the elephant in the room”…….<3…Ronnie

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      • 139. Phil L  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:49 pm

        So wait… are we NOT supposed to be causing record snowfalls, massive storms, and closet boogeymen? I thought that was our goal! I’ve been working to make all of those things happen!

        *Pffft* Well, there goes all of my hard work. *Rolls eyes*

        Seriously though, we’re not causing disasters. They can point to their magic book all they want and say “It’s all in there! See?! The evil gays are making bad stuff happen to the planet,” but in ten years they’ll be saying the same thing about some other group they dislike.

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    • 140. Ed-M  |  February 22, 2010 at 1:22 pm

      You are absolutely right, Ronnie! The thin Rainbow line is the only thing separating them from their heart’s desire: The Apocalypse! Which non-Christians and liberal Christians alike call World War 3.

      But we are only 5% of the population and the hateros are 35%. Our allies (those who aren’t too apathetic to even go to the polls) still are only 25%, that’s why we’re 0-31! We can’t win at the ballot box so long as there’s this huge mass of people who think LGBT rights don’t affect them, for our rights DO affect them! Our rights need to be restored, strengthened to full equality and secured to KEEP the end-times Xtian far right from gaining control of the US Govt, the military industrial complex and all those nuclear weapons!!! Otherwise, it’s curtains for life on Earth, Second Coming or no Second Coming. And if Jesus returns during their Apocalypse, THEY will be the ones who won’t like it when he judges them, not us.

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      • 141. JQ  |  February 26, 2010 at 11:13 am

        First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
        Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
        Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
        Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

        Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

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  • 142. waxr  |  February 22, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Daily Bible Passage

    Song of Songs1:12-14
    While the king was at his dining couch,
    my nard gave forth its fragrance.
    My beloved is like a fragrant pouch of myrrh
    spending the night between my breasts.
    My beloved is like a cluster of henna blossoms
    in the vineyards of En-Gedi.

    Notes:
    The “dining couch” was a couch or divan with cushions upon which a person may recline while eating.

    En-Gedi is a triangular shaped oasis on the south-western shore of the Dead Sea. It is watered by a natural spring which comes up out of the rocks.

    By “En-Gedi” the poet is obviously referring to a delicate part of the woman’s body.

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  • 143. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 10:37 am

    They had “Lay-Z-Boy” couches back them?…..SWEET!!!…..<3…Ronnie

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    • 144. Felyx  |  February 22, 2010 at 10:46 am

      Now you know why there is so much poetry in the Bible…..cuz deh En-Gedi-ng any!!! LOL

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      • 145. waxr  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:15 am

        “deh En-Gedi-ng any”?
        I am Gedi-ng it, but that is bad.

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  • 146. Felyx  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Gratuitious Cute Random Gay Scene From Blackula! Here’s to you Ronnie! Gotta love it! <3Felyx

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    • 147. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:30 am

      I’ve never seen that before….but thank you……what is with that suit?….poor fashion victim….hehehe….<3…Ronnie

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      • 148. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:53 pm

        Ronnie, Blacula is older than you are. It was made in the 70’s just as disco was about to take off. Everbody had afros, leisure suits, the whole nine yards of cheesiness.

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      • 149. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:58 pm

        LOL…..I know all about that cheesiness ….I got an “A” in Fashion History and Costume History….but still…Cobalt Blue?….<3…Ronnie

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  • 150. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:47 am

    OMG….they are tackling the whole Gay parenting thing on “One Life to Live”(i’m watching it right now)

    Ok so Rex sleeps Stacey who is Gigi’s sister….Gigi is Rex’s baby mamma(their son is in junior-high…long story)….Stacey gets pregnant but Gigi tells her she hopes she loses the baby…surprise surprise…Stacey has a miss-carriage….Her friend from Vegas, Kim (both are ex-strippers) shows up to help stacey…They drug Skyler who is an ex-drug attic…and Stacey has sex with him…but doesn’t get pregnant…so then she goes after Oliver who is a Gay cop but wasn’t out at the time….the next morning he shouts out “I”M GAY”….Stacey gets pregnant but is telling everybody that the baby is Rex’s…..Gigi and Rex break up and now she is with Skyler….Oliver is dating Kyle and Rex has no one…..Stacey died last week(maybe..no body)….and Rex and Skyler told Gigi…..but neither of them know that Oliver might be the babies father….but Kyle thinks that Oliver is the father…..The baby was born with a heart defect and needs a transplant…..Oliver and Kyle are fighting over whether they should tell Rex, Gigi and Skyler…but right now Kim is the one who knows the full truth….Oliver is the Baby daddy…..OMG!!!!!…..<3…Ronnie

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    • 151. K!r!lleXXI  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:55 am

      @Ronnie

      Who knew there’d be so much drama inside the gates of Pacific Bluffs? I never knew.
      Shelter (2007)

      :-)

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    • 152. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 11:57 am

      To sum it up…Rex is not the Father…..Skyler thinks he’s the father….Oliver(Gay cop) is the Father…..MAURY!….MAURY!!….MAURY!!!……<3…RONNIE

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  • 153. Ed-M  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Slightly off subject but the police officers who “allegedly” raped Michael Mineo (SOMEBODY raped him he couldn’t do it himself!) and humiliated him with antigay slurs got off scot-free. In the video at the link take a good look at officer Kern, the one alleged to actually have committed the penetration: tell me he’s not gay!!! He looks like he’s a “twink,” either openly gay or closeted. http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=7289811#global Well let me tell everyone something: if you’re an openly gay man and you rape someone it’s extremely bad for the LGBT community especially if you’re a police officer. And if you’re closeted you need to come out BEFORE you commit an act of rape… then never, EVER commit such an act!!!

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    • 154. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:19 pm

      Oh…I have been following that story because I live in NJ…..these cops got off(snicker) scott free…..it’s total BS……and yes me Gaydar goes off every time I see that closet case….<3…Ronnie

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    • 155. K!r!lleXXI  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:27 pm

      @Ed-M
      That link leads to a story about earthquake in NJ.

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      • 156. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:30 pm

        The video is “Verdict reached in Michael Mineo sodomy trial”….underneath the EQ video…..<3…Ronnie

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      • 157. Ed-M  |  February 22, 2010 at 1:30 pm

        I should’ve known. Igoogles minor earthquake New Jersey and found the EQ video and the Michael Mineo verdict video was immediately below. I presumed the URL changed when I clicked on the vedict video but no!!! My bad… or is it WABC 7’s bad?

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      • 158. Ed-M  |  February 22, 2010 at 1:30 pm

        igoogles = I googled

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    • 159. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:40 pm

      You know what I don’t understand in this Mineo trial…..all the subways in NYC have security cameras…..I mean everything is covered….there are no blind spots…..this is a total cover up because they are cops….total B.S…..what’s that smell?……what’s that smell?….Dirty Cops….barf….our tax money at its best…..<3….Ronnie

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  • 160. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Somewhat off topic, but at the same time, it sort of ties in. I just got an email from the Simon Wiesenthal Center about what the next step is at least for the Presbyterian Church in the USA. It is not enough that they areattackig us, now they are going after Israel. Just like an earlier post somewhere on another thread by someone else warned us, his grandfather said that when they go after the queers watch out, it’s starting again. Well, I guess it is. I will put the link to the email in my next post. I wanted to give everyone a heads up before I did it, though. Especiall because I am not sure I will be able to do it properly, andmay need to enlist the aid of one ofmy P8TT email buddies if it doesn’t work.

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    • 161. Ed-M  |  February 22, 2010 at 1:32 pm

      Is this the gay-friendly Presbyterian Church or another one with a similar name?

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      • 162. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  February 22, 2010 at 1:51 pm

        Presbyterian Curch USA. You can see the enewsletter on the Simon Weisenthal Center website. Go to http://www.weisenthal.net. This is startingto get scary, especially since it is happening here in the US.

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  • 163. K!r!lleXXI  |  February 22, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    BTW, who’s thirteen2150 from YouTube (44 years old)?
    Anybody knows?

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  • 164. Ronnie  |  February 22, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Hey CPAC an Christian Hateros…..check this video out of one of Margaret Cho’s routines (caution the video & audio are not nsync…I don’t know why….but its hilarious)…<3…Ronnie:

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  • 165. Urbain  |  February 23, 2010 at 6:57 am

    Libertarians are probably the most respectful of separation of church and state than all of the parties. As a registered Libertarian, I get their newsletter. They have been advocating the repeal of DOMA and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell because from a Libertarian viewpoint, they are both unconstitutional.

    It’s amazing how the CPAC straw poll is being blown off in the media because it was “skewed” by young, Libertarian-leaning voters. If Palin or Romney won, and denial of gay rights were a priority, it would be a “serious” indication of the where the conservatives are headed.

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    • 166. Felyx  |  February 23, 2010 at 7:10 am

      If Palin alone won it would be a serious indication of where we were ALL heading! LOL!!!

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      • 167. Ronnie  |  February 23, 2010 at 7:17 am

        Totally….Is Sarah Falin(I mean Palin) wins…..we all know what the Tea Gaggers(I mean Baggers) want to do…..We will head for the Homocaust….or the Gaynocide….We must SQUASH these Haterosexual Swatzies like the insects they are……..<3….Ronnie

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    • 168. Ed-M  |  February 25, 2010 at 1:58 am

      If Romney of Failin won, it would be all over the media!!! Remember Failin’s speech to the tea-baggers’ convention? Days of coverage for an audience of 600! Our National March for Equality in Washington last year? Just a blurb on the nightly news and nothing in my local paper!!! BIASED!!!!!

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  • 169. Felyx  |  February 23, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Morning Ronnie. Glad to see you up! :`)

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    • 170. Ronnie  |  February 23, 2010 at 7:40 am

      Good morning Felyx….the same to you…..the weirdest thing happened this morning…..I’ve always had this feeling before but I think I just proved this morning that I may be a little clairvoyant……Last week I ordered the U.S.A. Olympic Team medal ceremony Jacket and right before I woke up I dreamt that the FedEx guy delivered it (I did the whole routine, signed for it, have a nice day)….then in the real world the doorbell rung and woke me up….It was FedEx with my coat…..How weird is that?…….<3…Ronnie

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      • 171. Felyx  |  February 23, 2010 at 7:49 am

        And the part of the dream where you read that the US has federally passed Universal marriage?……What about that part? Come on…. come on…. don’t leave us in suspense!!!

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      • 172. Ronnie  |  February 23, 2010 at 7:57 am

        That one is still a little fuzzy…..but I have had a dream about that a few weeks ago and It definitely looks like it will happen in my lifetime(the younger side of it) I give it at least 3 years…….<3…Ronnie

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      • 173. Felyx  |  February 23, 2010 at 8:19 am

        Interesting, that is about what I am predicting. We just need to keep posting loving pro-gay messages and philosophy on mainstream consciousness everywhere.

        If we do it lovingly we will do in a Christian way what Christians are doing in a non-Christian way!! Forget arguing with the idiots!!! Let’s focus on converting the people who are not aware but would be for us!

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  • 174. Chief's Pea  |  February 23, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Hey everyone, I’m going to re-post this comment because I feel it is important and needs to be seen…. My apologies to those who have already read it……..

    Uhhhh, Allen E…. Here’s a little FYI about why I won’t ever buy or eat another Girl Scout cookie:

    Last year; 2009… A lesbian friend and her partner of 13 years decided that it might be a good idea to enroll their daughter in the girl scouts. Everything went well for a couple months until they had a project where the girls had to tell a story about their daddies. My friend went to the troop leader to ask that her daughter be excused from the project. When asked what the reason was for her request, she honestly responded that her daughter didn’t have a daddy, but that she had two mommies. She was not informed of any upcoming meetings from that point forward and about a month later received a letter from the main office of the Girl Scouts in Wshington State which (basically) said that her daughter was no longer welcomed.

    I will stand firm aganst the discrimination and not ever buy another cookie from them. (which SUCKS since I LOVE Girl Scout cookies!! B it is a sacrifice I am willing and happy to make.)

    Deb M.

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    • 175. Ed-M  |  February 25, 2010 at 1:51 am

      What happened to the Girl Scouts???? They used to be non-discrimatory! Now… they have to judge people by the same religious blinders the Boy Scouts use. I bet it has something to do with money. AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHH!!!

      And I really, really love their Thin Mints. ;-(

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  • 176. Chief's Pea  |  February 25, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    I used to think it was such an awesome organization for girls. Now…. Not so much. I won’t support a group that teaches discrimination and hate to our children.

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