Virginia Students Rally for Non-Discrimination Policies

March 9, 2010 at 7:35 am 150 comments

by Brian Leubitz

In Virginia, the electorate shifted back towards Republicans in the 2009 elections. So, you have a new governor who has written some pretty far-right stuff in his past. And you have an Attorney General who is going out of his way to end non-discrimination policies at the state’s universities.

Campus activists across Virginia put spring break on hold Monday to mobilize against Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II, who has riled student groups with a letter advising public universities to retreat from their policies against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

More than 3,000 people joined the Facebook page “We Don’t Want Discrimination In Our State Universities And Colleges!” Nearly 1,000 people joined another, started by activists at the College of William and Mary. The University of Virginia group Queer & Allied Activism urged students to protest on Cuccinelli’s Facebook page and on Twitter.

Students at Virginia Commonwealth University, one of the few in the state not on break, planned a rally for noon Wednesday, with several hundred students committed. At Christopher Newport University, student Republican and Democratic leaders will discuss their next steps at a bipartisan meeting Friday. (Washington Post)

As we saw in the Prop 8 election, the line between those who support equality and those who oppose it is less about political party and more about age. Age was one of the largest dividing lines. Those under the age of 30 voted against Prop 8 at over 60%, while those over 65 voted in support of it at over 60%.

And in Virginia, we are seeing students who are standing up for the values that they want to see embodied in their institutions. While the law is not really clear if the Attorney General can really force the universities to roll back their anti-discrimination policies, as they are semi-independent, the letter is bringing attention to the issue. Democrats are pushing the Governor to support a non-discrimination bill in the legislature, where bills have been previously blocked by the Republicans.

With every passing day, Americans shift gradually toward equality. As millenials become as big of a voting bloc as the Baby Boomers, marriage discrimination laws will fall like dominoes. It’s why the Right is pushing so hard to get constitutional amendments to close down debate as much as possible. They are trying to lock in discrimination now, before the tide of equality washes over them.

But the tide will indeed wash away the bigotry.

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  • 1. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  March 9, 2010 at 7:42 am

    Your article gives me hope Brian — thank you for putting things in perspective :) I live in Utah where discrimination is already “locked down” but I have hope the “tide” will wash this away too. Though even in Utah we are making some progress: http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13758070

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    • 2. Bob  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:37 pm

      baby steps, common ground, face to face communication, the extention of an olive branch , congratulations on making some progress, what an example, that gang of five, kept working at it , and returning to the dialogue even after things broke down, thanks for sharing this Gregory

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  • 3. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  March 9, 2010 at 7:47 am

    All I can say is that the students in Virginia give me great hope for our future and for our younger generation. We are moving toward what Gene Roddenberry tried to demonstrate on Star Trek: Equality for all. YOu go, young folks!

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    • 4. Marlene Bomer  |  March 9, 2010 at 12:02 pm

      To my knowledge, there has been no openly TLBG character in any forms of Star Trek, Richard. The closest in my opinion was Tasha Yar, and Denise Crosby left — whether it was by her choice or pressured out — because she looked so butch.

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      • 5. Kevin S.  |  March 9, 2010 at 12:09 pm

        In 1966, a cast that included a Scotsman, an Asian man (who was played by a gay actor, but I don’t know when George came out), an African-American woman, an alien and a Russian (season 2) was the epitome of equality. It was at the height of the racial/gender civil rights movement, and the show reflected that inclusion. Not having an openly LGBT character on that cast doesn’t mean The Great Bird wasn’t making a strong stand for equality.

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      • 6. Alan E.  |  March 9, 2010 at 1:06 pm

        On the Star Trek theme, I have always enjoyed how there is mention of other races’ rituals and religions, but that was rarely brought into the workplace or was a deciding factor for hierarchy. They acknowledged that people held strongly their views, and even showed some of them, but it was a part of the person who didn’t try to make others (mostly) follow their ways or face death/ridicule. This is strictly within the Federation, but was expanded when others were included in the Federation (namely Klingons).

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      • 7. Vaati  |  March 9, 2010 at 2:19 pm

        Actually one of the first female kisses on TV was between two women on Star Trek: DS9. Dax and Lenara. <3

        It is portrayed in a small way in Star Trek, but you are right, there needed to be more. This was a big step in the right direction though, showing that love surpassed gender because in former host bodies they had been lovers of opposite gender and still felt strongly for one another in their new, same sex host bodies.

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      • 8. Lori  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:09 pm

        Also DS9… Tigan and Nerys in the episode Mirror Mirror.
        Don’t know of any same-sex male relationships made explicit in any series though.

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      • 9. Lori  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:10 pm

        Oops, I’m an idiot… meant to say Emperor’s New Cloak. Shows how much I know about Star Trek.

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      • 10. Straight Ally #3008  |  March 9, 2010 at 7:12 pm

        Then there is the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode “The Outcast,” which concerns an asexual species where expression of gender identity is suppressed:

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      • 11. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  March 9, 2010 at 8:28 pm

        @Kevin S–yes, and I named my Suzuki SX4 Sulu in honor of George Takei. After all, my car is Japanese, and I am openly gay, sowhy not name my car in honor of one of my Japanese heroes, right?

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      • 12. Straight Dave  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:17 pm

        I think Tasha Yar got dropped because she screwed Data (the android) in one episode. Some people got upset with that. I thought it was funny as hell. The dialog went something like this:

        TY: I’m sorry, Data. I keep forgetting you’re an android.
        D: Don’t worry, I’m fully functional.
        TY: How “fully functional”?
        D: In every way.

        TY: I just have one thing to say, Data. It never happened!!
        D: (very quizzical look, since he takes everything literally)

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      • 13. Straight Dave  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:21 pm

        Crap! I botched the parenthetical commentary. Try try again.

        I think Tasha Yar got dropped because she screwed Data (the android) in one episode. Some people got upset with that. I thought it was funny as hell. The dialog went something like this:

        TY: I’m sorry, Data. I keep forgetting you’re an android.
        D: Don’t worry, I’m fully functional.
        TY: How “fully functional”?
        D: In every way.
        (fade to commercial)
        ….
        (next morning as they pass in the hallway)
        TY: I just have one thing to say, Data. It never happened!!
        D: (very quizzical look, since he takes everything literally)

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      • 14. Kevin S.  |  March 10, 2010 at 6:25 am

        Something that had always bugged me as being unrealistic even by the pseudo-scientific standards of Star Trek was the interspecial characters. But, we can look at this two ways – either love is so important that it doesn’t matter if you’re the same species or not, or every being in the galaxy, sentient or not, comes from the same creator, and species is just another artificial barrier.

        I think I just got declared a heretic in eight different denominations.

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  • 15. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 7:47 am

    I said it on another thread but I’ll repeat it…..

    The Virginia Hateros….woke a sleeping Volcano…..don’t say I didin’t warn you…..<3…Ronnie

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  • 16. Bill  |  March 9, 2010 at 7:49 am

    “But the tide will indeed wash away the bigotry.”
    __________________________________________

    I agreed with the essay until that last line.

    For while I believe that the LGTB community WILL achieve equality under the law, I also believe that religious fundamentalists SO worship and celebrate their homophobia, and in such a raw & tribal manner, this bigotry will NEVER go away.

    They do not WANT it to. It MEANS something to them. Their hatred of LGTB people, and their subsequent condemnation of us is, to them, some sort of ‘proof’ that their beliefs are correct. These people have simply ‘created’ a separate class of people that they have held up as the lowest form of humanity. That would be LGTB citizens. They hold us up to society as sinful and immoral so that NO MATTER WHAT HETEROSEXUALS DO, well, at least they aren’t gay, right????

    Mostly, I can not believe that heterosexual people do not see through the transparency of all this…

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    • 17. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 8:03 am

      “These people have simply ‘created’ a separate class of people that they have held up as the lowest form of humanity. That would be LGTB citizens.”

      Just replace LGTB with Black and you have the anti-civil rights.

      Just replace LGTB with Feminists and you have the anti-womens right movements.

      Just replace LGTB with colonials and you have the anti-revolutionary war.

      Just replace LGTB with Witch and you have the Salem Witch trials.

      And finally replace LGTB with Jewish and you have the Holocaust

      enough said…..<3…Ronnie

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    • 18. David Kimble  |  March 9, 2010 at 8:22 am

      Agreed, Bill. What is so infuriating to me is the way they justify their homophobia and hatred with the Bible. I would like to grab each of them by their shirt collars and shake them, while screaming at them, “HELLO, IS ANYBODY IN THERE?”
      Thanx Ronnie for the great video – I had forgotten about that song, but it is one of my favorites. <3 David

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      • 19. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 8:26 am

        You’re welcome….<3…Ronnie

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      • 20. Waxr  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:29 am

        Throughout its history the Bible has been used to justify hate.
        There is no need to justify love.

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      • 21. Mike_at_the_beach  |  March 9, 2010 at 1:36 pm

        More hatred, discrimination, murder and genocide have been perpetrated in the past 4000 years using religion, a supreme being(s) and books like the Bible and the Koran as justification than for any other reason, even more than material wealth and land. These things ain’t goin’ nowhere fast. We will perhaps see the end of institutionalized homophobia in our lifetimes, as we have significanly reduced institutionalized racism and discrimination against women. But the latter have been kept alive in many people’s hearts and minds, as will homophobia persist past the legalization of same-sex marriage. However as long as we claim and obtain our rights among other Americans, it will be easier to say to the haters, “Screw you. I don’t need you in my life. And waking up as yourself every morning is the worst punishment anyone can be sentenced to”. Until then though, we have to make nice and pretend in order to convince. I do hope I live to see the day when I can cut them all loose.

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  • 22. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 7:54 am

    We need a song……<3…Ronnie:

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    • 23. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  March 9, 2010 at 9:02 am

      Thanks for Song! I did need that! I get so knotted up from all this I appreciated it! Here is another:

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  • 24. Papa Foma  |  March 9, 2010 at 8:13 am

    @Bill
    While I agree that homophobia will probably never be stomped out, I have watched over fifty years as race became a non issue for the majority. It may not be in my lifetime, but homophobia will certainly be reduced, too.

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    • 25. K!r!lleXXI  |  March 9, 2010 at 9:51 am

      @Papa Foma
      I agree, and it doesn’t feel like a simple hope for the best, it feels like it is real and it’s going to happen. It is already happening all over the world, we have examples, and we’ll have even more, that we still have a room for advancements, we haven’t hit the bottom just yet. I hope I’m not being too optimistic, for it is going to happen, it’s more than a hope, it’s a firm believe that common sense and the value of equality will prevail!

      –Kirill ♥ F

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      • 26. Bill  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:27 am

        My purpose was not to be pessimistic, but rather to be pragmatic.

        And to point out that bigotry toward LGTB people isn’t going away. Even when we achieve equality.

        It worries me a bit that a lot of people seem to think that with equal rights comes equal status.

        It doesn’t and it never will.

        There will always be people who feel it is their right and their duty to abuse LGTB citizens. And just because the government no longer will participate in that abuse when we achieve equality, so many of the heterosexuals who created all the gays will still treat us with contempt and disrespect and hatred.

        They LOVE to hate us. They LOVE to abuse us. They LOVE to degrade us. It makes them feel HOLY and RIGHTEOUS and BETTER THAN another human being.

        So I think this notion of, ‘once we achieve legal equality, all will be OK’ is just that – A NOTION.

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      • 27. Kevin S.  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:32 am

        It’s not that people’s minds will change though, it’s that the people themselves will change. The point is that hatred is slowly dying out as younger people reject bigotry – the College Democrats and College Republicans coming together at Christopher Newport on this was notable, to me. As Brian said, it’s not just the liberal youth (which is a larger portion, obviously), it’s all youth. It will take time, but unless people who aren’t bigoted now become so as they get older, it will die off when the propagators die off.

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    • 28. Alan E.  |  March 9, 2010 at 9:54 am

      As a devil’s advocate rebuttal to race being a non-issue, the Tea Baggers are pretty much all about race, and they are surely getting a lot of airtime.

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    • 29. Ed-M  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:05 pm

      Homophobia is certainly reduced in some areas from the early 1980s when AIDS phobia was at its height and Anita had just severely damaged our community. Here in this video “Overkill” Colin Hay of Men At Work is talking of his frustration of sleeping alone on a weekend night or putting himself in a dangerous situation by going out cruising for men in the streets. Funny, how the lyrics went over everybody’s heads including mine back in 1983. Yet Colin being out on a pier at the beginning and the two men having a light at 0:35 makes it obvious. The 1948 movie “Glen or Glenda” shows one gay man picking up another by offering him a light (yes, lots of people smoked then). I am sure police training films in the 1940s and 50s showed the same thing!

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    • 30. Ed-M  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:24 pm

      Here is another song from Men At Work about growing up as a boy who isn’t into sports and the revelatory lyrics starting at 1:20 are:

      Are you going to play football this year Johnny?
      Not. Not.
      Oh.
      Then you are going to play cricket this year Johnny.
      Not! Not! not!
      Heh. You sure are a funny Kid Johnny.
      But I like you!
      So tell me.
      What kind of boy are you Johnny?
      I only like dreaming
      All the day long

      Dreaming to escape reality! And check out the scene at 1:50. Quite obvious to me!

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  • 31. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 8:25 am

    WOW!!!!…now seriously I was joking about the Hateros being ably to criminalize LGBTQQIA in the media(i.e. movies, tv, ect ect.)….but I guess I was right….

    http://www.advocate.com/Arts_and_Entertainment/Entertainment_News/Tax_Incentive_to_Cut_Gay_Film_Characters/

    Tax Incentive to Cut Gay TV, Film Characters
    A proposed tax incentive to attract the film and television industry to Florida would not apply to productions that showcase “nontraditional family values,” says the Republican house member sponsoring the jobs stimulus measure.
    By Julie Bolcer

    (me) umm…that’s not legal

    “Films and television shows with gay characters could be ineligible for a “family-friendly” tax credit, part of a $75 million incentive package that Florida house Republicans hope will attract entertainment jobs to their state.”

    (me)Are you f-ing kidding me with this shite…..

    “According to the Palm Peach Post, “the bill would prohibit productions with ‘nontraditional family values’ from receiving a so-called family-friendly tax credit. But it doesn’t define what ‘nontraditional family values’ are, something the bill’s sponsor had a hard time doing, too.”

    (me) and there it is….That is what NOM and Haggie has been up too….hmmmmm……

    “”That would not be the kind of thing I’d say that we want to invest public dollars in.” – state representative Republican Stephen Precourt

    (me) wait?!…..whose public dollars?……LGBTQQIA public dollars?….LIARRRRRR!!!!!!!!

    “Smoking, sex, nudity and profane language are prohibited, as are ‘obscene’ productions as defined by the state’s sex crime laws.”

    (me) well I can understand that…but how does this apply to “Modern Family”, “Secret Life of Teens”, “Brother’s & Sisters”, “Desperate Housewives”?……just to name a few……

    “Precourt’s proposal would boost the credit from 2% to 5% and expand the list of taboos to include any ‘exhibit or implied act’ of nontraditional family values and gratuitous violence,” reports the Post.”

    (me) escuse me….whose traditional family values?…..I mean seriously…..Haggie is that you in drag?

    “Precourt represents the district including Walt Disney World.”

    (me) Whats next Prekay?…..forcing Disney to stop Gay Days?….Yeah like that will happen….<3…Ronnie

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    • 32. Alan E.  |  March 9, 2010 at 9:18 am

      But it doesn’t define what ‘nontraditional family values’ are, something the bill’s sponsor had a hard time doing, too.

      This is exactly what I try to explain to people touting this “traditional family values” line. No one can seem to explain it without putting women “back in their place” (being facetious; this is not my opinion) and/or diverting to pre-50’s households. A lot has changed in this century alone. I think it was too fast for people who don’t think.

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    • 33. Dave T  |  March 9, 2010 at 9:27 am

      But it doesn’t define what ‘nontraditional family values’ are, something the bill’s sponsor had a hard time doing, too.

      Come on guys, it’s not that hard.

      Nontraditional family values = anything that doesn’t look like “Leave it to Beaver” or “The Dick Van Dyke Show”.

      I considered adding “I Love Lucy” to that list, but she married a latino (gasp!).

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      • 34. Alan E.  |  March 9, 2010 at 9:55 am

        Beds apart or pushed together?

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      • 35. Kevin S.  |  March 9, 2010 at 9:56 am

        You forgot 24. The right loves it some patriotic torture – hating brown people is wholesome family entertainment!

        (note: the use of ‘brown’ was not meant to be demeaning to any ethnicity, but rather the inability of a certain segment to understand or care about the difference between Arabs, Hispanics and Indians)

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      • 36. Alan E.  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:30 am

        There were some people speaking Arabic to each other on the bus today, and as I looked around, there were many people who were giving them very wary looks. I can’t stand the knee-jerk reactions that some people get. I am guilty of having such reactions at times (mostly with extremely religious people), but I am working on recognizing when I do to try and better myself.

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      • 37. PDXAndrew  |  March 9, 2010 at 11:44 am

        I wish the definition of a ‘traditional damily’ is one where two adults love each other and support each other and love and support their children… But we all know that’s far from what we have ‘traditionally’ had in the US.

        I gotta love their “drive away incoming revenue” sceme. I guess I’ll just have to make do visiting Anaheim instead of Orlando for Gay Days.

        Love, Andrew

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      • 38. Sheryl  |  March 9, 2010 at 6:38 pm

        That certainly leaves the single parent family out also. In the minds of these people, nothing traditional about divorce.

        Sheryl B

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    • 39. dieter  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:24 am

      Well if all they will allow is “traditional” (meaning biblical) values movies, then in their state we should be seeing a huge influx of movies where the subject matter is all about, murder, rape, incest, infanticide, infidelity,polygamy,and witchcraft.

      because only a witch could change water into wine….it’s tradition to do that ya know…the bible tells me so.

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    • 40. Waxr  |  March 9, 2010 at 11:01 am

      The way I understand it is that a scene showing two women kissing would be forbidden. But if a man enters the scene with a shotgun, and fires several rounds into the two women it would be acceptable, as long as the shooting is part of the plot and not gratuitous.

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      • 41. Kevin S.  |  March 9, 2010 at 11:03 am

        No, no, two women kissing is entirely wholesome and respectable. Remember, women are nothing more than objectified sex toys. It’s an important lesson for the kiddies to learn – there’s a hierarchy in society.

        /sarcasm (yeah, it was obvious, but just in case)

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      • 42. Waxr  |  March 9, 2010 at 11:03 am

        An additional important point: The man with the shotgun would have to be the husband of one of the women. That way the story is affirming traditional family values.

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    • 43. Marlene Bomer  |  March 9, 2010 at 12:20 pm

      This reminds me of the brouhaha when South Pacific opened on Broadway, which exposed the hate behind racism and segregation!

      In the musical, there’s a song called “You’ve Got to be Carefully Taught”, on which the entire musical rested.

      The magazine Theater Journal back in 2000 said this about the controversy:

      Rodgers and Hammerstein risked the entire South Pacific venture in light of legislative challenges to its decency or supposed Communist agenda.

      While on a tour of the Southern United States, lawmakers in Georgia introduced a bill outlawing entertainment containing “an underlying philosophy inspired by Moscow.”

      One legislator said that “a song justifying interracial marriage was implicitly a threat to the American way of life.”

      Rodgers and Hammerstein defended their work strongly. James Michener, upon whose stories South Pacific was based, recalled, “The authors replied stubbornly that this number represented why they had wanted to do this play, and that even if it meant the failure of the production, it was going to stay in.”

      So this isn’t new from the bigoted right-wing…

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      • 44. Waxr  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:53 pm

        Here are the lyrics for the Roger and Hammerstein song “You/ve Got to be Carefully Taught” from “South Pacific”.

        You’ve got to be taught
        To hate and fear
        You’ve got to be taught
        From year to Year
        It’s got to be drummed
        in your dear little ear
        You’ve got to be carefully taught

        You’ve got to be taught
        To be Afraid
        Of people whose eyes
        are oddly made
        And people whose skin
        Is a different shade
        You’ve got to be carefully taught

        You’ve got to be taught
        Before it’s too late
        Before you are 6 or 7 or 8
        To hate all the people
        your relatives hate
        You’ve got to be carefully taught

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    • 45. Ed-M  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:43 pm

      That guy Stephen Precourt looks like a closet case to me. Wonder when his cover will be blown by him doing something stupid?

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    • 46. Bry  |  March 10, 2010 at 5:33 pm

      Welcome back Production Code

      I thought we 86’ed you back before 68….

      Brothers and sisters, grab your fake dildos, we’ll Clockwork Orange them

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  • 47. David Kimble  |  March 9, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Geesh! I can’t believe they would actually do this, yet there it is in black and white! Florida is home to a lot of the GLBT community. <3 David

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  • 48. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 9:24 am

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/03/09/Australian_Gay_Leaders_Want_to_Meet_Threatened_Pol/

    Posted on Advocate.com March 09, 2010
    Australian Pol Feels “Threatened” by Gays
    By Julie Bolcer

    “Gay rights leaders in Australian have written to politician Tony Abott to request a meeting in the wake of his statement that he felt “threatened” by homosexuality”

    (me) I just…I mean…I can’t….I don’t….huh?….what?…who?….when?……sometimes Y…..

    “It’s a fact of life and I try to treat people as people and not put them in pigeonholes,” said Abbott.

    (me) ahchubull shite…..<3…Ronnie

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    • 49. Ed-M  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:42 pm

      I took a look at Tony Abott’s pic… looks closet gay to me. So does that GOP Politician Stephen Precourt pushing ‘family-friendly’ *cough* film tax credits in Florida.

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    • 50. Roger  |  March 9, 2010 at 7:45 pm

      Abbott is a d*ckhead. He makes a big show of being confident the conservative coalition (Liberal and National Parties) will win this year’s federal election and he’ll become Prime Minister, but present opinion polls strongly suggest otherwise. If he loses, then his head will roll and the conservatives will be back to squabbling among themselves about who they want as leader of the Opposition.

      And the opinion polls increasingly show that we Australians are in favour of gay rights and equality.

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  • 51. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 9:48 am

    So you know how the Hateros keep saying that they are the victims and all the shenanigans hoopla…..BULL PUCKY…..I didn’t know about this until today(this might be old news) but umm pot meet kettle(sigh…. again)

    http://www.americanapparel.net/legalizegay/

    American Apparel responds to those who destroyed Legalize Gay window
    07/21/09
    Yesterday, an American Apparel store in Silver Spring, Maryland had a window broken by someone upset over the company’s support for gay marriage. Our Georgetown location and others in the areas have received similar threats. We just wanted to use this forum here to announce that not only are they not going to prevent us from speaking out on an issue that is important to this company and our employees but we’ll continue to run Legalize Gay advertisements in papers across the DC-Metro area. We’ll also send Legalize Gay t-shirts to any group in Washington DC that is fighting for gay rights and will help support any protest or rally for the cause.

    We don’t find this kind of thing funny and we definitely don’t find it intimidating. Thanks to everyone who has reached out to us and if you need anything please contact:

    (me) excuse my who is receiving death threats?…..that’s what I thought……

    There is a lot of relevant info on the site I linked to…..check it out…oh and do shopping too….hehehehe……<3….Ronnie

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    • 52. David Kimble  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:14 am

      Thanx Ronnie, for the link btw here is a link to the story –
      <3 David

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    • 53. Ed-M  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:49 pm

      Ronnie, the hateros claim that they are at the receiving end of death threats. If there are any, they’re idle threats… just sayin’

      Meanwhile their side are making death threats by advocating death penalty laws against us, here at home.

      Meanwhile hatero PUNKS make death threaats against us, and carry them out in a most brutal fashion… :(

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  • 54. Straight Ally #3008  |  March 9, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Meanwhile, right next door, same-sex couples were officially married in DC for the first time this morning. Take that, you Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell cabal.

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    • 55. Straight Ally #3008  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:47 pm

      Video of the first three of the DC marriages:

      Watching this, aside from getting choked up, I can’t help but think – THIS is what people are afraid of? Really? These committed couples? Marriages that, under the Constitution, you would never even be forced to sanctify in your church? No wonder the Prop 8 folks fought so hard to stop the trial from being televised – when you see LGBT people as human beings, it becomes so clearly a matter of equal protection vs. discrimination.

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  • 56. Sagesse  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:18 am

    A little late to the party, but I finally watched the Minnesota hearings video. Some things just don’t come across in a transcript.

    What struck me was the Judiciary Committee pretty much saw through the No arguments, and were sympathetic to the Yes arguments. So they will vote to approve, but when it gets to the floor, everyone else will just hear the propaganda soundbites (save marriage, save the children) and the wailing of their constituents and the churches and cast whatever cowardly self-serving vote serves their interests.

    As with the Prop 8 trial, it’s a shame that voters and lawmakers never get to see how sane the Yes arguments are, and how intellectually bankrupt the fear mongers are.

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  • 57. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Time for a laugh….get your tissue boxes ready….I heart Margaret Cho (if you didn’t notice that already…lol)…..<3….Ronnie:

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    • 58. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:31 am

      pardon the end of the video starting at 7:00….still funny though….LMGAO….<3….Ronnie

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      • 59. David Kimble  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:47 am

        Thanx, Ronnie that was great! I nearly piddled my pants at one point! LMGAO!

        Well, I need to lay down for a while, I will be back later. I am enjoying everyone here so much, thanx for being here! <3 David

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      • 60. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:53 am

        You’re welcome David K….have a nice rest…I’m going to go watch the “untraditional family” filled “One Life to Live”….bwaaaaa…..<3…Ronnie

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  • 61. Sarah Seritc  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:32 am

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/bigotry-in-virginia-lets-end-lgbt-discrimination shameless self promotion, I have started a petition that I want to send to the Governer and the Virginia Attorney General by the end of the month. It is my first petition so I know it is not perfect. Thank you for any support.

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    • 62. PDXAndrew  |  March 9, 2010 at 6:21 pm

      Thank you Sarah for the petition, I hope you get tons of signatures to add to mine. I remember the old black & white Christmas movie, Miracle on 34th Street when they produce the bags upon bags of Santa letters on the judge’s desk… I hope you get to literally bury the governor and ag in signatures :)

      Love, Andrew

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    • 63. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 6:27 pm

      I signed it too….right after you posted it….lets take this Hatero down…..<3…Ronnie

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    • 64. K!r!lleXXI  |  March 13, 2010 at 12:19 pm

      Signed it as #67 :)

      –Kevyn

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  • 65. Alan E.  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:33 am

    More transphobia
    Trans Panic! At The Disco from Joe.My. God

    Good As You points out the latest bit of transphobery from the Tradition Values Coalition.

    President Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats are quietly rushing through legislation (H.R. 3017 & S. 1584) that would actually bring cross-dressing teachers into your child’s classroom. Under the so-called, Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), your children will be trapped in classes taught by drag queens and transgender activists. Students will be indoctrinated that “alternative lifestyles” are no different than traditional lifestyles. Young children will be forced to learn about bizarre sexual fetishes – and you will have no say in the matter. It is already happening in some states and concerned parents can’t do a thing about it – until now. This radical bill goes too far. That’s why the Traditional Values Coalition is standing in strong opposition to ENDA. Sign our petition against ENDA today and send Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and their liberal allies a clear message: cross-dressing teachers do not belong in our classrooms!

    The haters understand very well that transphobia is one their safest bets when trying to quash any LGBT rights bill.

    Students will be indoctrinated that “alternative lifestyles” are no different than traditional lifestyles.

    But they are different, there is no questioning that. It’s the fact that they aren’t better or worse is the real issue at hand (although one could argue that they are better because they are at least honest with themselves).

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    • 66. Kevin S.  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:38 am

      I’d like to know what schools would consider dressing in drag to be the professional attire they all require from their employees. And I’d also like to see what scientific poll they consulted that led them to conclude every transgender person cross-dresses.

      I won’t hold my breath.

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      • 67. Alan E.  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:45 am

        They are another group that touts “Traditional Values” (it’s in their name!), but I bet they couldn’t define what traditional without being ambiguous about it.

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    • 68. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:45 am

      Show what they know….my kindergarden teacher was a transexual(M2F)……best one out of the 4 grade schools in Hawthorne NJ….award winning……and the whole indoctrination thing is moot since kids can still learn it about on tv,movies, smart phones, periodicals, ect ect ect….Holy crackers and grape juice…These Hateros know nothing about the technology generation……Lets school them on the diff btw….Drag….Trans….and Cross(who is not a gay man/woman)……<3…..Ronnie:

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    • 69. Michelle Evans  |  March 9, 2010 at 12:24 pm

      Just proves my point that being transgender is considered to be the absolute bottom of the barrel. Those of us here who are “only” gay, lesbian, or bi, have it really easy compared to the daily life of a trans person. Welcome to my world of being thrown under the bus each and every day.

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      • 70. Bry  |  March 10, 2010 at 5:38 pm

        Well personally although I know it’s not quite the same and that technically it’s anime so it’d be different irl but I rather like seeing lithe cute feminine-looking boys crossdress in doujins.

        ….Though Rolo and Shuichi look cute no matter what they’re wearing…

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    • 71. Sheryl  |  March 9, 2010 at 1:44 pm

      Another fear mongering by the far right. Notice they do not tell us what states or what schools. After all they wouldn’t want us checking out the facts and finding out that they are making this up.

      Also, I bet they want to see the females, both students and teachers, in female attire (which excludes pants). Wonder if their daughters dress in jeans and t-shirts.

      Sheryl B

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  • 72. Bolt  |  March 9, 2010 at 10:54 am

    This may be regressive, but I believe that we need to treat the religious fascists to their own poison. They need to be subjected to the exact discrimination that they seek to impose on us. They are absolutely ignorant to what they’re doing. We need to put their rights up for a vote to show them what it’s like to be on the receiving end of a popularity contest.

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  • 75. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 11:13 am

    http://www.advocate.com/Politics/Marriage_Equality/Crate_and_Barrel_Wedding_Contest_Jonathan_Howard_Gregory_Jones/

    Posted on Advocate.com March 08, 2010
    We Now Pronounce You …
    When Jonathan Howard and Gregory Jones found out Crate & Barrel’s Ultimate Wedding Contest was open to couples holding commitment ceremonies, they entered. Now, they have a good shot at winning.
    By Ross von Metzke

    (me) but since they live in D.C……THEY CAN GET MARRIED…………WOOOOOOOOOOO…..HOOOOOOOO….lets’s vote people……<3….Ronnie

    "They got their marriage license last week (“Our picture was in The New York Times,” Howard says with pride) and plan to get married later this year. But before they settle on a date (Jones says they’re leaning toward October 10, which is the one-year anniversary of when Howard proposed), Howard says they want to see how the contest shakes out. "

    (me) I'm jealous and happy for them at the same time….<3…Ronnie

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    • 76. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 11:15 am

      Here is the link to vote….they are in second….<3…Ronnie

      http://www.ultimateweddingcontest.com/entries?sort=votes#22682

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      • 77. Alan E.  |  March 9, 2010 at 11:55 am

        They are pretty far behind, but everyone should go vote and post it on your Facebook! They have a link where you can share it easily.

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      • 78. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 12:02 pm

        True they are far behind but….this vote is just to get them in the finals…the winning couple is chosen by judges….C&B is would drool over the large amount of PR this would do….especially since they are a D.C. couple….I see reality TV show deal coming out of this….<3….Ronnie

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    • 79. Kathleen  |  March 9, 2010 at 1:35 pm

      I voted for them. I don’t usually like having to register for these sites in order to vote, but I made an exception this time, because I soooo want them to win.

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      • 80. Alan E.  |  March 9, 2010 at 2:03 pm

        They are a really cute couple too =)

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      • 81. fiona64  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:13 pm

        I did the same thing. :-)

        Love,
        Fiona

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  • 82. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 11:49 am

    I saw this video last night via instinctmagazine.com…..I was going to post it…but it was late here in NJ…but since Advocate.com has posted here you go…..

    You see Hateros….your kids are trying to give you a message………… STFU……
    Students at the University of Rochester posted a gay cover of Taylor Swifts “You Belong to Me”…..enjoy…<3…Ronnie:

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    • 83. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 11:56 am

      On instinctmagazine.com there is s diff. version of the song and Video with the vocals from UofR’s a capella group the Yellow Jackets…..the 2 guys in the video are apart of the group….<3…Ronnie:

      http://instinctmagazine.com/blog/video-of-the-day-march-8

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    • 84. Lori  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:20 pm

      Awesome video!
      Ironically, I’m working on rewriting that song as a gay love song between two girls.

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      • 85. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:31 pm

        Go for it…Lori…..the funniest thing is that Taylor Sq.(Swift and Lautner) are both for equality…..I mean one?….why can’t the Hateros find one credible celeb to help them?…Because there are none…that’s why….heheheeheheeh….snicker…..snicker……<3…Ronnie

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  • 86. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Here is a good chart that was posted on instinctmagazine.com

    showing same sex couples per 1,000 household…from UCLA and HRC….I don’t get it…I have never been that good at reading charts w/o a guide but its still interesting…..<3…Ronnie:

    http://instinctmagazine.com/blog/graph-of-the-day-march-9

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  • 87. Michelle Evans  |  March 9, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    To get back to the main point of this current post, it is great that those in Virgina are starting to rise up against the bigotry. However, I really think that the situation needs to be monitored very closely so that the very first time anyone who is LGBT in Virginia is attacked in any way, that an immediate movement MUST be launched to have the Governor and AG tried under the Federal Hate Crimes Law.

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  • 88. Marlene Bomer  |  March 9, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Let’s not forget this, people…

    Mildred Jeter married Richard Loving in June, 1958 in guess where: the District of Columbia!

    They were married in DC in order to avoid Virgina’s purity law banning interracial marriage, and the US SUpreme Court said that Virginia’s law violated the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of portability of contracts from state to state.

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    • 89. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 12:38 pm

      (singing) “Just a little bit of history repeating”….hehehehe…..<3….Ronnie

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    • 90. Kevin S.  |  March 9, 2010 at 1:32 pm

      They ruled specifically that the 14th Amendment guarantees portability of contracts from state-to-state? How did DOMA even get off the ground?

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    • 91. Kathleen  |  March 9, 2010 at 1:59 pm

      The 14th Amendment doesn’t guarantee portability of contracts from state to state, nor was that issue which decided the case.

      Loving was decided on the basis that the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment were violated by the statutes in Virginia which prohibited people of different races from marrying each other.

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      • 92. Marlene Bomer  |  March 9, 2010 at 4:47 pm

        Kathleen, I must disagree.

        The 14th guarantees equal treatment for everyone.

        The couple was married in DC, and lived in Virginia, where it was illegal. The Court ruled that laws banning interracial marriage violated the Clauses you mentioned, thus the 14th Amendment protects the portability of contracts.

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      • 93. Kathleen  |  March 9, 2010 at 5:07 pm

        Marlene, no… I suspect the “portability of contracts” that you’re referring to is the “full faith and credit” clause of Article 4 of the Constitution. While the ruling in the Loving case had the effect of requiring the Commonwealth of Virginia to honor the Lovings’ marriage, there was nothing in the argument that had to do with one state honoring the marriage of another’s per se. The ruling simply said that the law in Virginia was unconstitutional, thus they couldn’t refuse to recognize the marriage based on that unconstitutional law.

        If Virginia’s argument had been “we refuse to recognize the marriage only because it was performed in another jurisdiction” (and not because it violated a Virginia statute, THEN it would have been a question of “full faith and credit.”

        I know it seems like I’m splitting hairs, but that’s what happens in the law. If, in fact, Loving v Virginia stood for the proposition that each state must always recognize another state’s marriages, then DOMA would be, on its face, unconstitutional. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a Supreme Court case that has come to that conclusion (that one state must, without restriction, honor the marriages in another).

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      • 94. Straight Dave  |  March 9, 2010 at 6:36 pm

        @Kathleen
        Yup, you nailed it, girl!
        In fact it was the fear of Article 4 forcing the recognition of other states’ SS marriages that inspired DOMA. Article 4 has a loophole allowing Congress to define the extent of such recognition: “Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.”.

        I personally think Congress stretched the meaning, but they thought it was a good enough excuse at the time.

        However, this only applies to the part of DOMA that covers inter-state recognition. The part that covers Federal recognition has no basis at all in the Constitution. Congress just gratuitously threw that in while people were all riled up back in 1996. That’s why I think it is toast when the suit by SSM couples in MA gets to SCOTUS. Only Scalia and Thomas could still uphold it, and even they probably know better.

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    • 95. Straight Ally #3008  |  March 9, 2010 at 2:25 pm

      Roy Zimmerman’s musical take on Loving v. Virginia:

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  • 96. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    So “ex-gays” are also kid nappers?…..

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/03/09/Friends_Defend_ExGay_Mom_on_the_Run/

    Posted on Advocate.com March 09, 2010
    Friends Defend “Ex-Gay” Mom on the Run
    By Michelle Garcia

    “Friends of missing woman Lisa Miller say they have no idea where she or her daughter have been for the last six months. Miller, who is in the middle of a custody battle with former partner Janet Jenkins, has been missing since last September, allegedly taking off with their 7-year-old daughter, Isabella.”

    (me) Have you asked Haggie if she knows were this nutcase is (she is nuts….it gets better)?……

    “A court in Vermont, where Miller and Jenkins were joined in a civil union, had awarded full custody of Isabella to Jenkins;”……”But Miller and the child have disappeared.”

    (me) how christian and legal of you Ms Miller……wait for it…..

    “Wall (Linda Wall a friend of Miller’s)added that offers came from as far away as Israel to hide them but said she had nothing to do with their escape.”

    (me) recruiting people?……kid napping?…..Illegal yeah?….wait here’s the kicker

    “Wall also compared herself to Harriet Tubman, who led slaves in the South to freedom in the Northern states before slavery was abolished.”

    (me)……WHOA!!!!!….KOO KOO KOO!!!!!!!…….KOO KOO KOO!!!!!!…….I’m just saying…..as the decent of slaves I’m am utterly insulted by these PSYCHOS….<3….Ronnie

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    • 97. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 1:23 pm

      lol….typo….as a descendent of slaves….I am utterly insulted by these PSYCHOS…..<3….Ronnie

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      • 98. Waxr  |  March 9, 2010 at 11:54 pm

        Ronnie: “as a descendent of slaves. . . ”

        What a coincidence. I am a descendent of slave owners.

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      • 99. Ronnie  |  March 10, 2010 at 6:33 am

        That’s cool I guess….Waxr,…..Not really a coincidence…most Americans are…although they forget that pretty much EVERY person in this country is descendent of American History…or World History for that matter…..did you watch that new show, “Who do you think you are”….its really good(even though there has only been 1 episode)….My mother and I are going to get a full genealogy done…as far back as it can go….whats so funny is that a genealogy proves that we are all related(making the incest argument moot)…..like on “Oprah” yesterday…..Eva Longoria(Mexican) found out that she’s related to Yo-Yo Ma(Chinese)…..hmmmmm…..<3….Ronnie

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    • 100. Sheryl  |  March 9, 2010 at 1:40 pm

      Parents taking children goes on all of the time in the hetero community. People are people–some good, some not so good, some break laws, some don’t. Sexual identity has nothing at all to do with it.

      Sheryl B

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      • 101. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 1:51 pm

        However this case is diff. then those…this is about sexual identity and she is having help…most likely from the reich….this is not some mother who is trying to protect her child from an abusive father….this is an “ex-gay” nutjob who is trying to protect her child because she doesn’t want to be gay anymore….this is BULL SHITE!!!!……<3…Ronnie

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  • 102. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    I’m going to hurt something….

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/03/09/SC_Cuts_HIV_Funding/

    Posted on Advocate.com March 09, 2010
    S.C. Legislators Cut HIV/AIDS Funding
    By Advocate.com Editors

    “Following the South Carolina House of Representatives’ vote to slash all HIV/AIDS funding from the state budget last week, local leaders and HIV patients are pushing for lawmakers to reconsider,”

    (me) Then stop taxing LGBTQQIA people….seriously I hear the Yellowstone Caldera grumbling…..can you hear it?……

    “about 3,000 state residents with HIV depend on state assistance for medication through the AIDS Drug Assistance Program, or ADAP.”

    (me) WOW!!!!…..nice way to steal tax payers money by cutting the things those tax payers need….JMHGO….<3…Ronnie

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  • 103. Richard W. Fitch  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    TO: Brian, P8TT, CC and all who participate; Thanks for the continuing focus on Marriage Equality and LGBT Rights issues. This may have been started as a way to keep everyone abreast of the daily happenings of the Prop 8 trial, but it has become an exciting venue/forum to share essential and relevant information.

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    • 104. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:33 pm

      I concur…..<3…Ronnie

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  • 105. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    DING!!! DING!!! DING!!!! DING!!!!!…..the Hateros are losing ground…..

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/03/09/More_Senators_Backing_DADT_Repeal/

    Posted on Advocate.com March 09, 2010
    More Senators Backing DADT Repeal
    By Michelle Garcia

    “Nine senators have been added as cosponsors of the bill to repeal the military’s ban on openly gay and lesbian service members.”

    (me)…SCORE!!!….This makes what?…22….including my peoples Frank Lautenburg from NJ……

    “As we continue to fight two wars, our national security depends on a strong and talented military,” Casey said in a statement. “And ending this discriminatory practice is the right thing to do for our military and for those who want to openly serve their country. I am pleased to join my colleagues in the Senate, as well as the effort led by Patrick Murphy in the House that continues to draw the support of past and present military leaders and other officials.”

    (me)…Oh I love the smell of roasted Hatero in the evening…..hehehehehehe…..<3…Ronnie

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    • 106. Straight Ally #3008  |  March 9, 2010 at 4:22 pm

      On Sen. Lieberman’s web site, it lists the original cosponsors:

      Joe Lieberman (I-CT), Carl Levin (D-MI), Mark Udall (D-CO), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), Roland Burris (D-IL), Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Ron Wyden (D-OR), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Arlen Specter (D-PA), Jeff Merkley (D-OR), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Al Franken (D-MN), and Ben Cardin (D-MD)

      Over a fifth of the Senate…an excellent start!

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      • 107. PDXAndrew  |  March 9, 2010 at 5:41 pm

        W00t! Note that BOTH Ron Wyden and Jeff Merkley from Oregon are listed… Back on the day after Obama’s State of the Union, HRC had a thing to send off to your congressmen to tell them how important this is.
        I got a pretty quick response from Jeff Merkley; probably a form letter but still. My Rep David Wu also sent a response… Let’s see if he signs on board when this hits the House.
        I wonder if maybe my small little voice helped get this going? That’s nice to believe :)

        Love, Andrew

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  • 108. Kathleen  |  March 9, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    The D-Is in the Perry case just filed another document with the court – asking that the Judge modify the discovery order to be more inclusive.

    The original order dated Mar 5, defined which emails from the No on 8 campaign must be turned over to D-Is. The Court held that “the No on 8 groups shall only be required to review electronic documents containing at least one of the following terms: ‘No on 8;’ ‘Yes on 8;’ ‘Prop 8’; ‘Proposition 8;’ ‘Marriage Equality;’ and ‘ProtectMarriage.com.’”

    The Yes on 8 people are saying that’s too restrictive. They also want all of the following search terms included:

    campaign; ad; advertisement; script; draft; emotion*; famil*; focus* w/3 group; poll*; message; Newsom; relig*; school*; “whether you like it or not”; attorney w/3 general*; Brown; AG; governor*; Prentice; bigot; right-wing*; hate; ballot; vote; Obama; procreat*; harass*; violence; fear; intimidat*; motivat*; Massachusetts; Mass.; MA; equal*; dignity; stigma*; fair*; educat*; parent*; moral*; Unitarian; Episcopal*; Mormon*; Catholic*; Christian*; LDS; Latter Day Saints; Jew*; evangelical*; fundamental*; “activist judg*”; Wirthlin; editorial*; child*; church*; curriculum; demographic*. (where an asterisk “indicates that the search should be for any variant of the root term”).

    As always, I have a copy of this for anyone who wants to read the original. Either send me a private message through Facebook or an email, if you already have my email address.

    Love,
    Kathleen

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    • 109. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm

      Thats Bull shite…they might as well say here’s the dictionary….that’s what we want……they are fishing for things that are not there….and they are trying to use emails from personal letters……I guarantee you…they will find an email from some 13yo kid who was thanking them and twist his/her words….Hey Hateros YOU ARE ON TRIAL NOT US!!!!!….they had their fu<king chances a blew it(pun intended)….These people make me sick because they know nothing about the law, history, and the constitution….<3…Ronnie

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      • 110. PDXAndrew  |  March 9, 2010 at 6:31 pm

        I agree that this is pure manure.., they’re just being snotty spoiled brats as usual.

        But, what do we have to hide? We keep talking about how the TRUTH will set us free, so why not give them EVERYTHING and let them hang themselves?

        Or are we afraid that we put skeletons in the closet when we came out?

        Love, Andrew

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    • 111. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 4:31 pm

      Do you have the list of what terms where requested by the plaintiffs(No on 8)?….<3…Ronnie

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      • 112. Kathleen  |  March 9, 2010 at 4:35 pm

        Not readily available. There was a lot of back and forth with that order, even involving the 9th Circuit. I’ll see if I can track down the final discovery order.

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      • 113. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 4:44 pm

        Thank you Kathleen…..I think if anything they should only be aloud to ask for the same things that was requested from them…but still….they are not playing by the law….and that’s pissing me off….If this was other way around you know they would fight it until the courts say STFU or else…..<3….Ronnie

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      • 114. Ed-M  |  March 9, 2010 at 6:03 pm

        It’s pissing me off, too. They are revealing their arrogance in that they believe they have special rights. Yet these hateros think that unless we are eliminated somehow, either genuinely converted to heterosexual (as if that will ever happen) or KILLED…, WE are the ones with “special rights.” Grrrrhhh… X(

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      • 115. Kathleen  |  March 9, 2010 at 6:21 pm

        Ronnie, still haven’t tracked down the original order. It’s going to take more time than I have right now (I have some other stuff I should be tending to right now).

        I’ll pick up the search in the next day or two. But did want to point out that there are different questions about discovery on the two sides.

        First, the documents of the “Yes on 8” side were relevant to the plaintiffs’ arguments – that the amendment was motivated by animus against gay people, rather than by a desire to achieve some legitimate state interest. Therefore, understanding the strategy of campaign goes directly to what Plaintiffs are trying to prove.

        Secondly, unlike the plaintiffs’ request, the D-Is discovery request is against third parties–that is, people who aren’t parties to the lawsuit. So, the court has to balance the need for the documents against the burden (especially financial) it would put on the third parties to have to comply.

        I’ll let you know when I find the relevant order. In the meantime, if anyone has it at hand, maybe they can answer the question for you.

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      • 116. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 6:25 pm

        No worries, Kathleen….thank you…<3…Ronnie

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      • 117. Bry  |  March 10, 2010 at 5:46 pm

        Kathleen –

        Are we able to use this against them? Claim we only wanted documents relevant to the case but they’re making this into a bit of a witchhunt against our side and that backs up the animus claim post-facto? Would that be considered relevant at all?

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      • 118. Kathleen  |  March 10, 2010 at 5:57 pm

        Bry, I don’t know that we’d really get much traction with the argument. Our adversarial judicial system makes all this discovery sparring par for the course (have I just mixed sports metaphors?)

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  • 119. Michelle Evans  |  March 9, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    As part of my campaign to raise awareness that the Gov and AG of Virginia should be tried under the Federal Hate Crimes Act, this afternoon I sent an email directly to the Virginia AG. I urge others to do the same. Join me against the bigots!

    Here is the link where you can send your comments. (Note that your email must be no longer than 750 characters.)

    http://www.vaag.com/CONTACTS/index.html

    And below is what I wrote in my email:

    “I am writing on behalf of all the people of Virginia whom you believe should be discriminated against because they don’t meet your criteria as human beings. I want to point out to you that this is, in fact, illegal.

    “There is a Federal Hate Crimes Act. This law specifies that anyone who attacks a gay, lesbian, or transgender person will be prosecuted. Since you have said it is okay to discriminate against LGBT people, if any LGBT person is attacked in Virginia then you are as culpable as the perpetrator.

    “I hope you will consider the ramifications for both yourself and for those you have said are not to be protected under Virginia law. I hope you would understand what a hateful and illegal idea you have put into Commonwealth policy.”

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  • 120. Ed-M  |  March 9, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    Michelle, I sent the same thing… I wanted to embellish it but you went to the limit that can be sent to the VAAG via email… my embellished letter had to be edited back to what you had because I cannot say from scratch that which you wrote as eloquently as you have.

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    • 121. Michelle Evans  |  March 9, 2010 at 7:14 pm

      Ed,

      Appreciate the comment about what I sent to the Virginia AG. Hope he actually gets to see it himself and not have some aid delete it. Must keep up the pressure everywhere.

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  • 122. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Ummmm…can I ask?….How is this DON”T ASK…..Don’t tell?….

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/03/09/Chaplain_Fighting_DADT_Inquiry/

    Posted on Advocate.com March 09, 2010
    Chaplain Fighting DADT Inquiry
    By Michelle Garcia

    “An Army National Guard chaplain is facing investigation after an officer accused him of coming out. Aris Fokas, a United Church of Christ minister, says he never said he was gay, but a commander at Fort Indiantown Gap in Pennsylvania has ordered an inquiry.”

    (me) Ordered and inquiry?….You’re not aloud to ASK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!……..so really who is braking the rules here?….Fu<king Swatzies….WTF……<3…Ronnie

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    • 123. fiona64  |  March 10, 2010 at 8:43 am

      Um, third party accusations were supposed to be immediately dismissed already??

      Love,
      Fiona

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  • 124. Straight Dave  |  March 9, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    LGBTQQIA Community Call To Action:
    We have a very brave young woman in Mississippi, of all places, denied attendance at her high school prom as an out lesbian, despite laws and court rulings to the contrary.

    I will be sending email to the local school superintendent to express my displeasure at this decision. Three cheers for Constance McMillen!
    If you want to support her, contact:
    Teresa McNeece – Superintendent
    Email: tmcneece@itawamba.k12.ms.us
    Phone: (662)862-2159 Ext. 14

    Story from http://www.sfbaytimes.com/?sec=article&article_id=12495

    School of Scoundrels
    As mentioned earlier, Spring is coming! And with it, our annual collection of LGBT high school prom discrimination stories, along with the related rubric of gender bending Kings and Queens.

    The latest example comes from a school in Mississippi, where Constance McMillen has been rudely told that she may not bring her girlfriend to the prom, and she may not wear a tux. Further, said the authorities at the Itawamba district in Fulton, if Constance and her girlfriend come separately and slow dance, they’ll be thrown out of the event!

    You know, these school districts have lawyers. Yet time and again, they continue to plod their way over the same judicial minefields that have already exploded on their counterparts around the country. Whether it’s saying no to an after school gay straight club, whether it’s forcing a kid to take off a gay pride T-shirt, or whether it’s trying to de-gay the prom, they don’t seem to understand that these are not issues of first impression to our nation’s courts.
    In Mississippi, the ACLU has come to McMillen’s rescue with a stern letter to the school principal and the district superintendent. The letter, which demands a response by March 10, informs the officials that public schools may not punish gay students for no reason other than sexual orientation. Further, Title IX’s ban on sex discrimination in public education as well as the First Amendment also protects the choice of dress in the context of a prom. Basically, schools can enforce rules and regulations that are essential to public order or the educational mission. But they can’t impose sex stereotypes on the kids at the prom. So there!

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    • 125. Ronnie  |  March 9, 2010 at 8:43 pm

      I would love to design her tux and whatever her girlfriend wants to wear for free….I will write an email 2morro…and hopefully I can try to help with the wardrobe….maybe I’ll email “The View” or “Oprah”…..or “Ellen”….thanks for letting us know about this…..<3…Ronnie

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    • 126. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  March 9, 2010 at 8:49 pm

      I sent my email, Straight Dave! Thanks for the heads up on this.

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    • 127. Straight Dave  |  March 9, 2010 at 9:08 pm

      Here’s my email:

      Dear Superintendent McNeese:

      I recently read with dismay your preliminary decision to place excessive constraints on Constance McMillen’s attendance at this year’s prom. As a straight married man with a young daughter of my own, I understand full well the importance of this event to the students, and furthermore, the importance of them being able to freely participate as themselves. Forcing them to conform to stereotypes that are uncomfortable and out of step with their true selves only undermines what otherwise would be a joyful event for all attendees.

      Times have changed. Things are not as they were 20 years ago. The fact that Constance is comfortable being herself in public speaks to the ease with which her classmates accept her.That means her presence will not be disruptive to others. It will, in fact, enhance their enjoyment of the event as the kids are free to be open and relaxed and honest with each other. Self-identity and self-integrity are critically important to children at this age. They all deserve the opportunity to have this once-in-a-lifetime experience without being encumbered by unnecessary restrictions. You have nothing to fear. Her friends support her. They will all have a great time, especially with the elimination of a source of anxiety and resentment.

      I urge you to reconsider and give Constance the same opportunity to live her own life as the others have.You will be contributing to a more successful prom and to the peace and comfort of a young woman.

      With Best Regards,
      David Wheat
      Former Air Force non-commissioned officer at Keesler AFB, Biloxi MS

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      • 128. Michelle Evans  |  March 9, 2010 at 9:12 pm

        Bravo, Dave! Excellent email. Thanks for sharing.

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      • 129. fiona64  |  March 10, 2010 at 8:41 am

        Great e-mail, Straight Dave!

        Thanks for adding me on FB, BTW. :-)

        Love,
        Fiona

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    • 130. Ed-M  |  March 10, 2010 at 4:13 pm

      Done!

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    • 131. Kathleen  |  March 10, 2010 at 4:29 pm

      So, seems they’d rather not have the prom than to let a lesbian teen couple attend:
      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/03/10/national/a155936S28.DTL&tsp=1

      I’m guessing they’re hoping to move it to a private venue, thus getting around the legal requirements.

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    • 132. Straight Dave  |  March 10, 2010 at 8:10 pm

      That figures. I should have expected such a response from redneck territory. It’s just like the DC Catholic Charities eliminating spousal health benefits for *all* married couples just to avoid having to give them to SS couples. Gotta be fair, you know, so they go and ruin everything, as if that’s the best solution they can think of. Narrow one-track minds. No, No, No!! and the hell with whatever side-effects occur.

      Rome wasn’t built in a day, so I’ll just keep calling them out and maybe one day it will start to sink in. One day it won’t sound so new and different anymore, and then maybe a light goes on.

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  • 133. Ronnie  |  March 10, 2010 at 6:19 am

    Good Morning Trackers….afternoon to those on the other side of the world…and if you are in Cali (doink most of you are) its only 6am..go back to sleep…..

    I thought I would start the day on a good note….NOT!!!….I wish I was but the grumbles of the Yellow Stone Caldera are getting louder….

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/03/10/Antigay_Attack_in_Brooklyn,_New_York/

    Posted on Advocate.com March 10, 2010
    Antigay Attack in Brooklyn, New York
    By Julie Bolcer

    “Police say that five men beat another man in Brooklyn, New York last week while yelling antigay slurs.”

    (me) So much for Hateros being the victims yeah?……

    “the attack occurred on March 2 at 12:50 a.m. while the 32-year-old Latino man walked on Luquer Street in the Carrroll Gardens section of Brooklyn. He was leaving a gay party at a bar.”

    (me) The Hateros must be taking Ex-Senator Monserrate and the anti-gay group that he endorses (Conter Punch)Run by clergy, whose ads actually promote violence against the LGBTQQIA community…..Nice…real fu<king NICE(sarcasm)…..

    "“The attackers, who were also Latinos, called the victim a ‘f—-t’ and punched him numerous times in the face, knocking him down and causing him to suffer a gash on the back of his head, police sources said,”

    (me) So Haggie, Tam, and PUG-No….who is the victim again?…… <3….Ronnie

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    • 134. Ronnie  |  March 10, 2010 at 6:41 am

      That’s Counter Punch…sorry I havn’t had me coffee yet…..<3…Ronnie

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    • 135. Ed-M  |  March 10, 2010 at 4:37 pm

      The Hollywood FL police department canned a gay police officer for appearing in a bondage video 15 years ago. The officer said he had to pursue an antigay harassment lawsuit against a popular supervisor at the department a few years back and was successful. He figures his days were numbered because of that lawsuit. Now he’s pursuing another lawsuit against the department.

      http://www.advocate.com/News/News_Features/Police_Activity/

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  • 136. David Kimble  |  March 10, 2010 at 7:13 am

    BURBANK, Calif. (AP) – The Los Angeles coroner’s office says “The Lost Boys” actor Corey Haim is dead at 38.

    Coroner’s Lt. Cheryl MacWillie said Wednesday that Haim died at 2:15 a.m. at Providence St. Joseph Medical Center in Burbank. She said an autopsy will determine the cause of death and there are no other details.

    Canadian-born Haim became a teen heartthrob with the 1986 film “Lucas” and 1987’s “The Lost Boys.”

    “His first role was in the 1984 hit “Firstborn,” in which he played a young child caught up in a family war. He then appeared in the 1985 television movie “A Time to Live.”

    In recent years, he appeared in the A&E reality TV show “The Two Coreys” with his friend Corey Feldman. It was canceled in 2008 after two seasons.”

    This just in from AP this morning <3 David

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    • 137. Bry  |  March 10, 2010 at 5:52 pm

      That’s sad, I hadn’t heard about that but apparantly mom had… and it was from the AP so it’s probably accurate eh?

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  • 138. Ronnie  |  March 10, 2010 at 7:35 am

    And so the hypocrisy continues and the Hatero public telling media outlets what to do….well it looks like the hate crimes in D.C. are going to rise as well…..

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/03/10/WaPo_Defends_Gay_Kiss_Photo/

    Posted on Advocate.com March 10, 2010
    WaPo Defends Gay Kiss Photo
    By Julie Bolcer

    “The Washington Post stands by its decision to publish a front-page photo of a gay couple kissing that generated a high volume of complaints from readers.”

    (me) good for them….Marriage Equality is legal in D.C. now so either Hateros need to accept all the ways it is going to be visible or MOVE!!!!!…to Uganda……

    “A few of the readers have engaged in rants, often with anti-gay slurs,” wrote Alexander. “One called me to complain about ‘promoting a faggot lifestyle.’ Another complained about the photo in an e-mail to the two Post reporters who wrote Thursday’s story about the licenses: ‘That kind of stuff makes normal people want to throw up. People have kids who are being exposed to this crap. I will be glad when your rag goes out of business. Real men marry women.’”

    (me) Oh where the eff do I start….to the first Hatero… who the FU<K do you think you are?…..

    to 2nd Hatero…I have a lot so bare with me….You Hateros make Humans with a heart want to throw up….including Heterosexual people….Notice you have officially been labeled a Haterosexual…learn it…..live it…..Love it……Homosexual people have children also who are being exposed to this image of LOVE….why should children be exposed to your words of HATE and violence?…..You don't care about the children all you care about is self….you ain't nothing but a common Hatero…..Yeah sure Real men marry women….but guess what?….Real men are marring men and you don't have any say so….so get the Fu<k over it….and how does this apply to Women?…..another thing yeah real Hatero men marry women….apparently they beat them and cheat on them as well…Tiger Woods, Ex-Senator Monserrate, Bill Clinton, Charlie Sheen…ect ect….. The Washington Post will not be going out of business….and did you think it was a rag before this picture was published?……I don't think so….

    “Kudos to WaPo for publishing the photo on its front page—and defending the decision,” wrote the NLGJA board member Oriol Gutierrez on the group’s RE: ACT blog."

    (me)..I concur……BRAVO….standing "O"………<3….Ronnie

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    • 139. David Kimble  |  March 10, 2010 at 7:44 am

      Thanx, Ronnie for keeping us (me) up-to-date with what’s happening in the world. I must admit living here in Podunk, CA, the news that finds it’s way through the filters, etc. are disgustingly pathetic. <3 David

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      • 140. Ronnie  |  March 10, 2010 at 7:50 am

        You’re Welcome David K……if you haven’t notice….I find great pleasure in commentating on these articles…..maybe i should start my own blog?…..hmmmmmmm……<3….Ronnie

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      • 141. David Kimble  |  March 10, 2010 at 7:52 am

        hey, that’s a great idea! <3 David

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      • 142. Dieter  |  March 10, 2010 at 7:59 am

        How sad:

        80’s teen idol Corey Haim found dead:

        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100310/ap_on_en_mo/us_obit_haim

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  • 143. Kathleen  |  March 10, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Virginia gov comes out on the right side of history:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100311/ap_on_re_us/us_anti_gay_discrimnination_virginia

    Though must say, I’m confused. Isn’t he responsible for removing sexual orientation from the anti-discrimination executive order he signed when taking office?

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    • 144. Ed-M  |  March 10, 2010 at 4:47 pm

      Yes, he was. Looks like he’s trying to get out of the way. VAAG Cuccinelli better do likewise if he knows what’s good for him, politically…

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      • 145. Casey  |  March 10, 2010 at 5:40 pm

        Don’t give McDonnell too much credit. He ran on a job-creation platform, making vague statements claiming that he doesn’t support discrimination of any kind – then removed GLBTQ folks from state protection less than a month after taking office. Trust and believe, if Cuccinelli had gotten away with his insane letter to VA’s colleges, McDonnell wouldn’t have lifted a finger to stop him. I find it hard to believe he didn’t know about it before it went out. As a gay person living five miles from McDonnell’s mansion, I don’t feel safe. He sent an email out to state employees today, “reiterating” his non-discrimiation beliefs – as if any of us are buying it. This is a man who was protested within 60 days of his inauguration for deep budget cuts to public schools. Ten-year-olds protested him – and now there’s this incredibly idiotic move by his AG. Today’s protests by students and others at Virginia Commonwealth University have given me hope – our young Virginians, at least, know how to think.

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  • 146. Casey  |  March 10, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    “…discrimination against enumerated classes of persons set forth in the Virginia Human Rights Act or discrimination against any class of persons without a **rational basis** is prohibited,“ McDonnell said in his directive.

    (emphasis mine)

    Rational basis? Sounds like somebody was an Attorney General himself once…

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    • 147. Kathleen  |  March 10, 2010 at 6:01 pm

      Yep. McDonnell’s a former prosecutor and attorney general.

      Reply
  • 148. Kathleen  |  March 10, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Another showdown in Virginia on the horizon?
    http://www.loudountimes.com/index.php/news/article/uproar_over_discrimination_could_touch_loudoun_board/

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    • 149. Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  March 10, 2010 at 7:25 pm

      Yes, and it is yet another showdown that the Hateros will lose!

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  • 150. JQ  |  March 12, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    @ Michelle Evans @Straight Dave (and MANY others)

    I amazed at the eloquence you have mustered in the face of hurt and rage. I find it difficult to write when I am so riled up. But you have managed to channel that into beautiful and forceful expression. I can’t imagine anyone not being moved.

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