NOM Returns to California

March 15, 2010 at 1:19 pm 67 comments

by Brian Leubitz

Last we heard from NOM, they were busy getting into trouble for interfering with Maine’s election system and not wanting to disclose donors. Well, they’ve also been writing about the federal Prop 8 trial, but they have no official capacity in that.

But, they are now back in California! Huzzah! And as you can see from the ad to the right, they’re still up to their old fear-based campaigning methods. While Californians understand that there is a difference between Senator Boxer and Tom Campbell, NOM is trying to tie the two together as some sort of hippie love twins of John Maynard Keynes and Divine.

I would write up some witty commentary about the inanity of this ad, but a comment on the YouTube video pretty well sums it up:

Maggie Gallagher drinks water.
Joseph Stalin drank water!

Maggie Gallagher walks on two feet.
Adolph Hitler walked on two feet!

Maggie Gallagher wears black.
Darth Vader wore black!

Thanks, NOM, for the sophisticated political commentary.

While I disagree with Tom Campbell on many points, you have to give him credit for very publicly opposing Prop 8. In fact, he wrote an op-ed in the libertarian Reason magazine opposing it:

Gay couples are asking for a chance to play by the rules. We can give them that chance. For those of us who are proud of our party’s and our state’s reputation for fairness and against discrimination, our choice is very clear: No on Proposition 8. (Reason Magazine)

NOM is terrified that the Republicans will give up their hard-hearted and hardened positions on marriage equality in favor of a big tent approach that would welcome those who support marriage equality. They understand that when that happens, eventually those who support equality will ensure complete control of all branches of government. If Republicans are not dogmatic, the rapidly shrinking anti-equality movement will lose its public face in the political sphere. They need the dogma to persist, so they wrap their message in one of general conservatism, completely forgetting that real conservatives (small “c”) prefer the government not making decisions such as who they can and cannot marry.

This ad is a sign of an interest group in fear of the future, and so they are using fear (what else?) to scare Californians.

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  • 1. John  |  March 15, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Change will always beat stagnation in the long run. If you don’t adapt to changing social forces, you will disappear. That is happening to those who would pursue hate over love. And they know it.

  • 2. Straight Ally #3008  |  March 15, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Will the Dark Prince of Propaganda, Frank Schubert, be lurking in the shadows as before?

    • 3. Kathleen  |  March 15, 2010 at 1:57 pm

      Wow, straight ally, that series of videos certainly lays out the Yes on 8 campaign in graphic detail. Basically, the California electorate felt like gay marriage didn’t really affect them, and they were generally tolerant of the idea, so savvy politicos had to devise ways to make the voters become intolerant.

      • 4. Straight Ally #3008  |  March 15, 2010 at 2:05 pm

        Kathleen, at the risk of invoking Godwin’s Law, Joseph Goebbels and Julius Streicher would have been proud.

      • 5. John  |  March 15, 2010 at 2:06 pm

        So, do we have to stop commenting now?

      • 6. Kathleen  |  March 15, 2010 at 2:26 pm

        I learn so many things on this board. The other day it was what “freep” meant and today I learned about Godwin’s Law! Hilarious. I guess it’s an online twist to that old adage about long, late night parties/discussions: the later it gets, the greater the odds that the discussion will turn to shit (in the literal sense).

      • 7. Sagesse  |  March 15, 2010 at 6:25 pm

        I believe this story made it into the record for the plaintiffs in the Prop 8 trial. There is reference to an article by Schubert and co. in Politics magazine that covers much of the same ground, but it is subscription only, so I couldn’t read it.

        To me this supports why minority rights issues need to be decided in the courts. Such is the wonder of free speech that you can spend millions mouthing things that are logically indefensible to voters and in legislative debate. In a court, you have to back it up, which is what the plaintiffs’ case did.

    • 8. GAYGUY  |  March 15, 2010 at 2:43 pm

      5 minutes into it and I want to upchuck…he doesn’t even believe in prop 8…he just helped them pass it in a liberal state and is now telling people how he did it. I think it is completely appauling that there are companies out there that get paid millions to sway votes, for either side, (NOT even being required to tell the truth about the propsotion). He is just a PR man!

      • 9. Straight Ally #3008  |  March 15, 2010 at 4:03 pm

        Oh, Schubert also believes in his cause. What’s even more astonishing is that he has an openly lesbian sister. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the opposition!

      • 10. Marlene Bomer  |  March 16, 2010 at 2:42 am

        Not PR, love… propagandist. They’re the lowest form of PR types.

    • 11. Billy  |  March 16, 2010 at 2:17 am

      Look at this man, and know the face of true evil. Someone willing to sell out their own morals and fellow human’s rights for a buck. He’s not doing it for personal religious moral convictions, or bigotry… he’s dissecting us. He’s using studies of language, action and thought in order to achieve a monetary gain at the expense of others. I cannot think of a more sick individual.

  • 12. Richard W. Fitch  |  March 15, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    The quote from YouTube really hits it.

  • 13. dtwirling  |  March 15, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Maybe we should contribute money to buy the folks at NOM a hobby that doesn’t have them actively trying to disrupt people’s lives…

    How expensive could a bunch of yarn and knitting needles be?

    • 14. John  |  March 15, 2010 at 2:46 pm

      They probably just aren’t getting laid enough. I can’t think of any other reason why they would be so interested in the personal lives of other people.

  • 15. fern  |  March 15, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    He seems to say that he used the lack of knowledge of gay people by the non gay people.
    This guy is smart, ambitious and a winner and in order to win he’ll not be stopped by misconstrued evidence, half truth or lies, so when you oppose the LGBT sitting quietly discussing the advantages of a state by state strategy giving SSM in about 40 years given the “well known fact” that California is the most liberal state (which was my opinion too except that I don’t live in California), we all know the end of the story.
    That is why I like the courage campaign since they realized one has to fight to get something, Stonewall was fighting, not wining politicians.

    • 16. LoriH  |  March 15, 2010 at 4:34 pm

      re: liberal California. I do live in California and I think in actuality our state is not the liberal state people think it is. It is liberal in San Francisco, L.A. and a few other areas along the coast. One must not forget that California is primarily an agricultural state and it has the death penalty (hardly an indicator of liberalism).

      I learned this the hard way when I was the only No on 8 lawn sign in my entire development in Ventura County. To this day I refuse to speak to most of my neighbors now that I found out they are mostly haters.

  • 17. jimig  |  March 15, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    I have had a number of conversation with some of my co-workers they not only believe the anti-gay propaganda they believe it is endorced by their church as well.

    Maybe now that the curtains are up people will be less likely to believe them.

  • 18. GAYGUY  |  March 15, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    NO KIDDING…they believe the churches lies about US?

  • 19. Ronnie  |  March 15, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    “NOM returns to California”……because they failed in D.C….oh don’t get me wrong…..they’ll be back…..because they are not happy unless other people are unhappy….I just got home….haven’t eaten yet… I am glad I read your comments before I watched the videos….I’ll eat first…and then watch….and then throw up…..thats the healthy way to live…..<3…Ronnie

  • 20. Bolt  |  March 15, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Who is paying these religious assholes to campaign against our rights?

  • 21. Bob  |  March 15, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Your govenment

  • 22. Ronnie  |  March 15, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Ok one minute in and I was gone…..that’s enough of that…..<3….Ronnie

  • 23. Ronnie  |  March 15, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Posted on March 15, 2010
    Gay Marriage War Heats Up in Pennsylvania
    By Neal Broverman

    “Blogger John Morgan writes on The Pennsylvania Progressive, “I spend a fair amount of time in Harrisburg. I know who is closeted. Any closeted senator who votes for Eichelberger’s bill will be outed. I also know a state senator who is wildly homophobic and is also an alcoholic. One of her rants will also be made public depending on her vote. This is fair warning.”

    (me) Dude your my hero……..

    “The bill is sponsored by state senator John Eichelberger (pictured), who last year said of gays, “We allow them to exist.”

    (me) Excuse me?!!!

    • 24. David Kimble  |  March 15, 2010 at 5:37 pm

      “We allow them to exist.” Thanx, Ronnie, I agree with your appraisal – Allow us to exist, as if they could kill all of us in one fell swoop and be done wtih us! However, I believe there are fringes of the “right wing” that would love to do nothing else. They believe, we are plague upon the land. Well, maybe, it’s time we get very vocal and demand this kind of outrageous remarks are labeled for what they are – HATE AND DEGRIDATION OF A PORTION OF SOCIETY.
      <3 David

      • 25. Ronnie  |  March 15, 2010 at 6:14 pm

        Exactly David K…..I 100% feel that this peaceful thing is wearing thin…….They ignore the numbers…..It doesn’t matter what your o.p. of type of people that make up those numbers….but seriously….like i said…..500 thou at last years nyc pride….. 150 thou at march for equality in D.C. last oct……over 65 thou trained LGBT soldiers……2,177,611 members of the 1 mill to support same sex marriage FB group…….277,749 fans of the let Constance take her girlfriend to the prom FB page……1,954 members of the Prop 8 trial tracker FB group……not to mention all of the pride events all across America….the groups, camps, clubs..ect ect ect…..

        Now I ask the government…..What are you going to do when that many people say that’s it…..and become violent?……Everybody thought the Civil war was going to be one battle….It lasted 4 years because both sides under estimated each other…..The British thought the rev war was going to be over in one battle….it lasted 7 years……the differences btw. them and the LGBTQQIA Americans of the 21st century is that we do not under estimate our opponents………We know exactly who they are, what they can do, what they really want and what they say they want(2 diff things)…..we realize what their numbers are and we don’t ignore it….we fight it….we acknowledge it……

        Like I always say… can ignore a sleeping volcano…….but you can not ignore the eruption…Do you hear that?…..Is that yellowstone?…..or is it Yogi being attacked by a mob of Hateros?……<3….Ronnie

    • 26. Roy  |  March 15, 2010 at 8:41 pm

      Outing someone before they’re ready has always been a rocky road, and for the most part, I’ve felt let them be so long as they don’t muck up my life.

      Soon as I read that the blogger would out closeted senators who voted for that hate bill..I found myself cheering. Elected officials who indeed make votes to suppress the rights of others, and help endorse the ‘we allow them to exist’ mantra, deserve to be outed..loudly.
      They lose their privacy when they muck up my life.

      • 27. fern  |  March 16, 2010 at 4:50 am

        I always thought that this was one good way to fight them find anything damaging in their private life and make it public. After all they’re the ones convincing the heteros who most of the time don’t know any better, being a hetero myself (not by choice…) I can tell they don’t really care about gay people they have a tough enough time to fend for themselves and not much time to think.
        Why don’t you people go after Chuck Colson, he was a crook for Nixon, now he’s a crook for “God” and his wallet.

      • 28. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  March 16, 2010 at 5:24 am

        Oh, yes, Mr. Colson! One of the Watergate conspirators who “Found G-d” while in prison (he was in Club Fed, everybody!) and then went on to found Prison Fellowship, based in Washington, DC. Through their rag, the Inside Journal, they push Fundevangelistic views on the men and women in prison, and convince them that Jews, Catholics, and LGBTQQIA’s are less than they are. About the only thing I can think of that they do which might almost seem worthwhile if it were to be divorced from the fundevangelistic movement is the Angel Tree program which helps to make sure that the inmates’ children have at least one gift at Christmas time. Too bad those same children have to hear the fundevangelistic message of discrimination while they are opening their gifts.

    • 29. Billy  |  March 16, 2010 at 1:43 pm

      He “allows” me to exist, huh? Well, I’d like to see him come up to me and try to take that right away. Go ahead, punk. Make my day.

  • 30. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  March 15, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    To be honest, I really do not expect anything else from MagPie and her crew of brainless sheeple. They never want to hear th truth. That is why their site does not allow comments. Oh, well. Their loss. They are depriving themselves of the opportunity to be on the same level as some truly fabulous people.

    • 31. David Kimble  |  March 15, 2010 at 4:43 pm

      @ Richard Walter – I diagree, since if Prop8 is struck down in CA, by Judge Walker, they will be back in a big way. They will claim, their lies to be truths, just as they have always done and beat their crowds into frenzy – “HOW DARE A LIBERAL JUDGE, UNDO THE PEOPLE’S WILL.” This has been their strategy all along, losing in court, at this juncture is actually a good thing for them, since it guarantees that their minions will cough-up more money for their virulent cause! <3 David

  • 32. Ronnie  |  March 15, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    I’m posting the video from youtube but I got the story from….

    Posted on March 15, 2010
    Will Phillips Shines at GLAAD Media Awards
    By Julie Bolcer

    “Will Phillips, the 11-year-old Arkansas boy who refuses to say the pledge of allegiance at school until gays and lesbians have full equality, stole the show with his acceptance speech addressed to President Barack Obama at the GLAAD Media Awards in New York City on Saturday.”

    (me) His parents seem really proud and they should be…..

    “accept the award for Outstanding TV Journalism Segment for “Why Will Won’t Pledge Alliance” on CNN.”

    (me) Metal note….must find segment…….<3….Ronnie

    • 33. Ronnie  |  March 15, 2010 at 4:44 pm

      lol…..mental note…..typo…still reeling from that video way up above…..<3…Ronnie

    • 34. David Kimble  |  March 15, 2010 at 5:30 pm

      Thanx, Ronnie, that was precious! <3 David

      • 35. Ronnie  |  March 15, 2010 at 5:45 pm

        you’re welcome….<3…Ronnie

    • 36. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  March 16, 2010 at 5:19 am

      This young man will be a lawyer on the level of Olson and Boies!

  • 37. Kevin S.  |  March 15, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    so they wrap their message in one of general conservatism, completely forgetting that real conservatives (small “c”) prefer the government not making decisions such as who they can and cannot marry.

    As a “small c” conservative, can I just say that you’ve hit the nail on the head about what irritates us most with the crap coming from the religious right? I no longer identify myself as a conservative for the most part – if it comes up in conversation, I say I’m either a libertarian or a Goldwater conservative. With people like Dale Carpenter and Ted Olson getting more visibility though, maybe people will finally realize that you don’t have to be a hateful invader of privacy to support a “bridges and roads” type approach to government.

  • 38. Shun  |  March 15, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    On another note, I assume we don’t know yet but…when will the judge and the lawyers resume the trial?

  • 39. Kathleen  |  March 15, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    To date, closing arguments have not yet been scheduled. There are still battles going on over what evidence must be turned over to the Yes on 8 people.

    There’s a judicial order that sets a March 31 deadline for the No on 8 campaign to turn over certain documents. However, both sides are objecting to the scope of the order (Yes on 8 wants to have more, No on 8 wants to give less). There’s a hearing tomorrow on that issue.

    You can get updates from the court’s site:
    Their current statement is:
    “The presentation of evidence has not been completed; defendant-intervenors requested that their case remain open pending completion of discovery they are seeking from third parties.”

  • 40. David Kimble  |  March 15, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    @ Kathleen, this statement would seem to indicate the Prop8 is not seeking information, not from the No side, but rather third parties – which third parties? I am again confused, can you explain? <3 David

    “The presentation of evidence has not been completed; defendant-intervenors requested that their case remain open pending completion of discovery they are seeking from third parties.”

    • 41. Kathleen  |  March 15, 2010 at 5:40 pm

      David, the third parties are the organizations involved in the No on 8 campaign – Equality California and the ACLU of Northern California

      Recall that it’s four individuals bringing this suit, not the “No on 8” campaign. So these No on 8 campaign organizations are not parties in the lawsuit suit, thus they are “third parties.”

      • 42. David Kimble  |  March 15, 2010 at 7:02 pm

        Thanx, Kathleen. <3 David

  • 43. Bob  |  March 15, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Kathleen, could you google Granny D orchard speach, and have a read, this is a most enlightening speach, explaining that we are fighting religious right and gov’t combined, it is about slavery of the mind. everything else is a distraction,, I don’t know how to put the link up, but it is an amazing read, if you haven’t already, she gave it in 2005

  • 45. David Kimble  |  March 15, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    I wanted to write a message to all this website. Today, I traveled to Bakersfield to see the doctor. The news was not good, but nonetheless, news I was prepared to hear. My time left in life grows very short – less than 6 months, but should I be granted a reprieve, it is my fervent wish that I live long enough to see justice done.
    My words will not be drowned by the voices of hate, which have inundated America and caused so much discord. We all kinow that truth is expected to win-out, in the end, but only if the voice of reason prevails, I have trust this will be the case. We must remain vigilant in our effots to educate the poorly-drawn cart, which carries the messages of hatred and bigotry. We must not allow the light of justice to become dim, when we stand so close to our goal. We must now allow the side, which claim to be fighting for “righteous reasons” to have their voice in our future. Where there is darkness, we must shine our light so bright, that no one cannot see our cause is a just one. Where there is ignorance, we must use the tools of education to again shine our light proudly in darkness.
    Our cause will not be won in the courts, but rather in the good hearts of those in this community. Some years after Brown v Board of Educatiion, we still see the impoverished forced to pull the yoke of indignity and disgrace. No more will we allow the voices of the rich and powerful to control our lives. We must take-back our country, or risk losing the freedoms we enjoy. Freedom is seldom, if ever free.
    I have been working on a book, called, “ON THE PLANET PARADOR” – the story falls under the classification of gay SCI-FI. I have nearly finished penning this book. The book’s contents came to me in vivid dreams I have had over the past few months. The story has written itself. I do not know how this book will be received, but I hope the voice which speaks from the book will be heard long after I am gone. The book is about bigotry and so many other issues. <3 David

    • 46. Straight Ally #3008  |  March 15, 2010 at 7:08 pm

      Oh, David, I had no idea. Mark my words, we won’t quit the fight, and I hope we have you marching along with us as long as possible. And may your book be further testimony for you.

      • 47. Sheryl  |  March 15, 2010 at 9:11 pm

        David, I’m so sorry to hear the news. I sent you message on facebook, please read it.

        Sheryl B

    • 48. Ronnie  |  March 15, 2010 at 7:14 pm

      David K……Girl you so silly….you ain’t goin no where….I did get your email of the book…I’m going to try to get into it 2morro….I’m glad you resent it because the first time you sent it…it got buried somewhere in my email…We will never stop fighting for our rights and our lives……..NEVER!!!!!!!!!…… and you better not either….all aspects of it…..Oh and get a second, third, millionth o.p……the Ronnie says…”you’re golden”….at least in my eyes…..feel better soon….kissses…..xoxoxxo…..<3…Ronnie

      • 49. dieter  |  March 15, 2010 at 11:01 pm

        IN THE NEWS :

        one of our ALLIES for the supreme court prop 8 decision is RETIRING!!!!

        this could spell disaster for the outcome of the case!

        WASHINGTON – Justice John Paul Stevens, at 89 the Supreme Court’s oldest member, says he will decide in the next month or so whether this term will be his last.

        Stevens tells The New Yorker magazine that he definitely will retire in the next three years. His comments suggest that President Barack Obama, whom Stevens says he admires, will likely nominate his successor.

        The leader of the court’s liberals, Stevens is the second oldest justice in U.S. history and fourth longest-serving. He says that breaking those records doesn’t interest him.

        Republican President Gerald R. Ford nominated Stevens to the court in 1975. Stevens turns 90 in April.

        The New Yorker’s profile of Stevens appears in its March 22 issue

    • 50. Kathleen  |  March 15, 2010 at 11:09 pm

      Dieter, this has been expected for some time. Given his age, he couldn’t have realistically stayed much longer. It’s better he retire while he can be certain that there’s a Democratic president, rather than take a chance of a shift to the Republicans in the 2012 election.

      • 51. Marlene Bomer  |  March 16, 2010 at 2:49 am

        Agreed, Kathleen. Justice Sotomayor is a breath of fresh air compared to the ideologues put on the Court by BushCo. and the GOPs in the Senate.

        I have no doubt that Obama will make another outstanding choice to replace Stevens.

      • 52. dieter  |  March 16, 2010 at 7:28 am

        yeah then the republitards can take 4 years trying to block the next nominee…… like they tried with sotomayor.

    • 53. Sheryl Carver  |  March 16, 2010 at 8:50 am

      Ah, David!

      I can only admire your courage & centeredness. May the coming days of your life be filled with the wonderful, & may there be many more days than the doctors have guessed.

      Love to you forever,

    • 54. Bob  |  March 16, 2010 at 9:28 am

      To David Kimble, thanks for sharing the information you got from your Dr. as disheartening as it is, it’s countered by your bravery , you were prepared to hear it. This indicates it is something you have been dealing with for a while, and obviously in a positive manner, because you are not in denial. Being alive and aware and accepting, takes away the power of the Dr. and his diagnosis,
      His diagnosis is a gestimate, using scientific information from past patients with a similar diagnosis. It does not factor in David Kimble, as an individual, your bright and shining spirit, and the strength that brings to the situation at hand.
      Sometimes awareness that our bodies cease to exist at some point, only creates the opportunity to become more fully in touch with who we truly are, Spiritual Beings, housed in a body for this journey through life.
      I already sense this from your contributions to these discussions and the insights you bring.
      I also sense that you have a support system around you that is loving and helpful, if not please let us know.
      AS for your writing, keep on, because writers never die but live on forever in their stories.
      Meantime, thank you so much for focusing your energy on this good fight, I for one am encouraged by your story and your words,,, comrade cheers Bob

    • 55. fiona64  |  March 16, 2010 at 10:49 am

      David, I had no idea.

      If you are interested, please consider putting your book up on Smashwords ( They are doing amazing things in the eBook world and it would be a good avenue to get your story out.

      My prayers are with you.


    • 56. PDXAndrew  |  March 16, 2010 at 10:50 am

      No human lives forever, but in the hearts of others. Know that your bravery, commitment, and wisdom shall live on.
      Your voice will NOT be silent, this I promise.

      And get that book finished; don’t be another Robert Jordan :)

      Love (as it lives much longer than hate), Andrew

  • 57. Ronnie  |  March 16, 2010 at 6:27 am

    It is so hilarious when an Hatero makes a statement that isn’t true and then gets called on it…..Rachel Maddow did this beautifully to J.D. Hayworth…….

    Maddow asked Hayworth where he found the phrase “establishment of intimacy” in the Massachusetts ruling.

    “It’s just not there, let alone the horse thing,” she said.


    The video is attached to the article……<3….Ronnie:

  • 58. Ronnie  |  March 16, 2010 at 6:35 am

    Posted on March 16, 2010
    Fresno Prof Created Antigay Environment
    By Julie Bolcer

    “Officials at Fresno City College in California found that a health science instructor created a hostile learning environment for students by making remarks that insulted gay people and teaching antigay views as facts. ”

    (me) Fire him………NOWWWWWWWW!!!!!!

    “According to the FCC student newspaper The Rampage, “Christopher Villa, Vice President of Student Services, wrote in the letter that Lopez violated several rules, including Administrative Rule 3430 which prohibits ‘insulting comments directed at a group based on sexual orientation;’ engaging in indoctrination, as well as the presentation of irrelevant material. ‘Dr. Lopez further violated District policy by teaching religious material,’ Villa also wrote in the letter.”

    (me) wait for it……..

    “Lopez maintains that he has done nothing wrong and that he is protected by academic freedom policies.”

    (me) excuse me?!……….Administrative Rule 3430?…..violated District policy by teaching religious material?…….you did everything wrong….and you broke the rules….Get over it you selfish Hatero……<3…Ronnie

  • 59. James Sweet  |  March 16, 2010 at 7:00 am

    NOM is terrified that the Republicans will give up their hard-hearted and hardened positions on marriage equality in favor of a big tent approach that would welcome those who support marriage equality.

    The current GOP has already deeply committed itself to a different “big tent” — one that somehow manages to bring together theocrats and libertarians, populists and authoritarians, even though these people should hate each other — and they are in too deep to back out now. If they stop pandering to populist paranoia and hate, their going to lose elections in the near future. It might help in the long run, but (for the Republicans) it’s going to be worse before it gets better, if they decide to go down that road.

    Which is not to say they won’t. But that would be a major shakeup of the party. My point is, the GOP can’t just reverse their position on gay marriage — there are way too many powerful voices in the party that would never stand for it. The party would have to either undergo major reform, or else fracture.

    It’s conceivable that the Teabaggers will jettison themselves the same way the Dixiecrats split from the Democratic Party over the civil rights issue. If that happened, then I could see a reversal of the official Republican position on gay marriage. Short of that, it will only ever be individual Republicans in liberal-leaning districts who choose to do the right thing (and even then, it’s as likely to be for votes as it is for morality, but whatever, the effect is the same).

  • 60. fern  |  March 16, 2010 at 7:04 am

    I would like an opinion here on this prop 8, notwithstanding the facts of its bigotry and hatred toward the LGBT community but there is also a show down of the Christian (religious) far right that they still have the power to manipulate the politicians but also to show there is no real possibility to split State from Church.
    At one time I felt like gay people were only secondary to the issue. I’m thinking like this since I worked on an NSA military, Bad Aibling (as a bartender), we were about 60 miles from Bad Tölz which was the best school of SS, then the Green Berets got the place and now it’s in the news again with the pedophile priest Hullu… something.

    • 61. David Kimble  |  March 16, 2010 at 7:43 am

      @ fern – The separation between Church and State has been so blurred in recent years by the chanting mantra of the religious zealots – most of thes people believe the separation is a one-way separation, which of course, it is not. I have had conversatioins with some of these people and have been struck[ with their ability to ignore whatever is said that doesn’t agree with their pea brains and to continue to cheer for their causes! <3 David

  • 62. Ronnie  |  March 16, 2010 at 7:23 am

    This is a very good parody of what the LGBTQQIA community is tired of, trying to say, trying to do….We are Phoebe Buffay from “F.R.I.E.N.D.S.”…..NOM, Haggie, Scott Lively, Lauren Ashley, Andy PUG-no, The Government, The WBC, The majority of the LDS, The Fundies, The Tea Baggers, Sarah Failin, Carrie Prejean, Hiram Monserrate, J.D. Hayworth, John Eichelberger, The Religious Conservative Far Reich and so on and so on and so on…..and all the other Hateros are the Fire Alarm…..<3…Ronnie:

    • 63. David Kimble  |  March 16, 2010 at 7:44 am

      Thanx, Ronnie! the sound was a little hard to hear, but I had a good laugh! <3 David

      • 64. Ronnie  |  March 16, 2010 at 7:53 am

        yeah i know….. it was the best quality I can find…..but glad you enjoyed it….<3…Ronnie

  • 65. David Kimble  |  March 16, 2010 at 7:34 am

    I have one comment about the GOP splintering – I believe it would great, if they did and I see a split coming, as a result of the tea party and their influx into the political scene. That said, I still believe our course lies in the courts, at least at this juncture in time. My reasoning is this – the courts will rule based upon the rule of law, while voters can be swayed by lies (case in point – Prop H8) <3 David

  • 66. Ronnie  |  March 16, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Speaking of ex-NY senator Hiram Monserrate…..I’m posting the video from youtube….but the article is from….

    Posted on March 16, 2010
    Monserrate Girlfriend Campaigns for Him
    By Julie Bolcer

    “Karla Giraldo appears in a video asking Queens, N.Y. voters to support her boyfriend Hiram Monserrate in a special senate election today. He was ousted from the seat last month over his misdemeanor conviction for assaulting Giraldo.”

    (me) This chick is in deep denial….

    “In his effort to win back the seat, Monserrate aligned himself with antigay religious leaders.”

    (me) yeah the anti-gay religious group, “Counterpunch”, that is promoting violence towards the LGBTQQI community…..

    In this video not only does his very stupid girlfriend look like she doesn’t want to do this video….It is soooooo obvious that she is reading from a cue card…..She should have a little talk with Rihanna, Tina Turner, and Robin givens……<3…Ronnie

    • 67. fern  |  March 16, 2010 at 1:14 pm

      There’s always talk about genocide infanticide parricide, matricide, fratricide. I’m considering idioticide.


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