Energy and excitement

June 16, 2010 at 9:46 am 174 comments

By Rick Jacobs

It’s all different this time, much more like the stories I read about William Jennings Bryan and Clarence Darrow. I’m typing this now balancing on movie theater style rope and post. Anthony is balancing the computer for me. What would we do without him?

There must be 300 people here, maybe many more, trying to get into the overflow room or the courtroom. I was in the overflow room thanks to some of our staff/volunteers such as Courtney and Wendy. Now, I’m number 10 in line to get into the main courtroom, which is very, very exciting.

The rally outside was terrific: bright sun, 100 or so people, Molly McKay singing.

I’ve seen all of the plaintiffs; Jeff Zarillo just walked by. I had a good hug with Ted Boutrous and Chris Dusseault from our side. I gather Ted Olson has been up since early this morning, part of his ritual before such work.

Gilbert Navarro from Fresno, one of our Courage Team members, is here in front of me. There’s so much more energy than last time.

And here’s Anthony Pugno, the lawyer for Protect Marriage, who is using his position of divider in chief to run for office in California’s 5th assembly district. We have to stop him before he hurts again.

Terry Stewart and Dennis Rivera just walked by.

The real Red Carpet of life is here. Forget that Hollywood stuff. This is history.

[UPDATE] 9:56 I’m in! I’m sitting in the back row on the right. I gave Ted Olson a quick hug on the way in. Chad Griffin, the brilliant strategist behind this whole case, came by. The AFER team is second to none. They are truly brilliant. It’s a pleasure to see our side have the political and PR acumen one rarely even sees on a presidential campaign.

It’s quiet in here now. Everyone is waiting for the judge to show up. The lawyers are at two very large rectangular tables perpendicular to the judge’s bench. Ted Olson and Ted Boutros are conferring.

[UPDATE] 10:44 By Julia: Rick is having connectivity issues. As soon as he gets a signal we will get the transcript up. Sorry about this folks.

[UPDATE] 11:22 The updates from Rick are starting to come in. New thread is up here.

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174 Comments Add your own

  • 1. bJason  |  June 16, 2010 at 9:47 am

    me first!

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    • 2. Kimk  |  June 16, 2010 at 9:50 am

      Loser.

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  • 3. Ronnie  |  June 16, 2010 at 9:48 am

    me second!……<3…Ronnie

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  • 4. Phil L  |  June 16, 2010 at 9:48 am

    I can’t wait for things to get under way.

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  • 5. Kathleen  |  June 16, 2010 at 9:49 am

    I can feel the excitement from here in So Cal!

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  • 6. bJason  |  June 16, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Thanks to Rick and everyone making this happen!!

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  • 7. bJason  |  June 16, 2010 at 9:49 am

    hello, friends!

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  • 8. Kathleen  |  June 16, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Hi Jason!

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  • 9. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  June 16, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Yes, Rick, this is history. And unlike the Hollywood red carpet, this is actually our lives at stake here. Thanks to everybody at Courage Campaign, and also to Rob Reiner and Michelle Singer. All of you out there are helping to make this possible. Yes, there is a new energy today. And this new energy will be a driving force behind a new wave of equality and civil rights across the United States.

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  • 10. Ronnie  |  June 16, 2010 at 9:55 am

    hey hey hey

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  • 11. Mike  |  June 16, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Thanks again for helping to make history! Especially for bringing to the light and eyes of hundreds of thousands what those people like Pugno have so desperately tried to hide. I cannot remember who said it but I remember someone saying the business of denying people their dignity and rights is best done in private.

    Well through the dedication of people such as yourself and the internet itself, let’s all work to make that private place a thing of the past!

    You rock!

    Mike / St Charles MO

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    • 12. Taelyn  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:04 am

      Former St. Charles County here! Born and raised St. Peters, now logged in from Hollywood, CA*.

      I’m a bi t-girl, and some might think this wouldn’t interest me. If anything, the inconsistencies on that make the idea of marriage ever as big a nightmare for me as my gay brothers and sisters. Olsen and Boies Super-Team GO!

      *Oh, and the red carpet events out here? Really make it a pain to live day to day when the roads are closed for movie screenings or whatever. Trust me, way overrated.

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  • 13. Keegan McGraw  |  June 16, 2010 at 9:55 am

    So for those of us on the east coast its almost 1pm, when do the actually closing arguments start? How long from now. I assume its almost 10 there ?

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  • 14. Leslie  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:00 am

    While as you’ve already stated, I don’t expect to really hear (read) anything new today, I’m still planning my day around my F5 key (refresh! refresh! refresh!) if only to be there in solidarity with everyone else who is essentially holding vigil over these final presentations.

    Can someone tell me when the judge’s decision is expected?

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    • 15. Kathleen  |  June 16, 2010 at 5:26 pm

      Lawyers have said “a few weeks.” Maybe sooner.

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  • 16. Lesbians Love Boies  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Morning all! Hi Richard!

    And hello to all our Rock Stars at the courthouse.

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    • 17. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:14 am

      Hello! God I wish I were closer to everybody. I can imagine the party we would be having! And I would have no problem keeping my coffee pots & espresso machine going, along with tea, lemonade, milk, water, and whatever else. This is history!

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      • 18. fiona64  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:50 am

        I really wish I could be there with somebody — and it would be particularly nice to be with Richard and BZ. No one would tease me about my Dr. Pepper. ;->

        Love,
        Fiona (who will be checking in from time-to-time today)

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      • 19. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:14 am

        We would even supply you peanuts to put in it.

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  • 20. Ed C  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:02 am

    I’m so excited about this, but so scared of what the H8rs are trying to do.

    One-half of the lucky 18,000 couples.

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  • 21. Theresa Henry  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Logged on in Illinois – this is so important!

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  • 22. Kathleen  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:09 am

    did rick just say he got into the main courtroom? I thought there was no live-blogging allowed from the main courtroom last time.

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    • 23. David Kimble  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:13 am

      Yeah, I caught that too! I hope someone will be blogging this one. <3 David

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  • 24. Deborah  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Greetings from Pennsylvania and thanks to Rick and everyone at Courage Campaign. Let’s watch some history being made!

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  • 25. KittyLD  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:10 am

    I’m across the entire country from you guys, and as a TV, I hope that this works out. Gotta stop the hate, it only damages people.

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  • 26. Louise Stout  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Sending mindbending thoughts from Madison Wi! Can’t wait for the news!

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  • 27. Mary Ellen  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:12 am

    waiting anxiously in Albuquerque NM

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  • 28. gayathomemom  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Here behind the Orange Curtain.. son is napping.. ready to read the closing arguments! On behalf of my partner of 10 years and our son, thanks to all involved in trying to overturn prop 8. You are all true heroes.

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    • 29. Mars  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:40 am

      Alabama (believe it or not, we’re not all jumpin Jebus freaks here)

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      • 30. Mars73  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:44 am

        Huh. It said this one didn’t post & it didn’t like my user name. Sorry for the dupe!

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      • 31. Bobby  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:10 am

        Is this JJ?

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  • 32. Lesbians Love Boies  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:13 am

    I wonder if we will have all US states present today :)

    Arizona here.

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    • 33. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:15 am

      Let’s have a roll call. I’ll lead it off.
      North Carolina!

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      • 34. Phil L  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:21 am

        Texas

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      • 35. Lesbians Love Boies  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:22 am

        So far I see

        California
        Missouri
        Florida
        Georgia
        Maryland
        New Jersey
        Texas
        North Carolina
        Arizona
        New Mexico
        Pennsylvania
        Navajo Nation
        Vermont
        Atlanta

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      • 36. KittyLD  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:23 am

        I’m from DC

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      • 37. Ero  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:29 am

        (straight, married) ex-Californian, in NYC, refreshing anxiously in hopes that the haters will get a well-deserved ass-kicking.

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      • 38. Kevin  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:32 am

        Michigan

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      • 39. Leslie  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:33 am

        Delaware here!

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      • 40. Vene  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:35 am

        Add Minnesota to the list

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      • 41. ceevee  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:43 am

        South Carolina (Charleston), soon to be a Coloradoan (Denver area)!

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    • 42. Mars73  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:43 am

      One from Alabama here! (believe it or not, we aren’t all jumpin Jebus freaks)

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    • 43. Laura Waldron  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:07 am

      Woot! Arizona! Although I am in SF, I am from AZ.

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  • 44. Jennifer V  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Thank you so much for keeping us updated. it has been hard to work I am so anxious to hear the news.

    Constantly refreshing in Dallas!

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    • 45. Dave P.  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:59 am

      Hee hee! Yes indeed you are, my dear! In fact I feel that all our friends on this site are constantly refreshing! :) :)

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  • 46. Ronnie  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Nu Joisey here

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  • 47. TheFullMonte  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Hello all, from sunny Florida! I am so thrilled to be alive to see this historic day!

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  • 48. Stephanie  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:15 am

    MA here!! Hoping to find out soon if equality prevails…married my beautiful wife on 5.5.10 in CT and want the option across the US.

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  • 49. Robby Robbins  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Best of luck to our team! My partner and I are one of the 18,000 couples married here in CA and hope to have the rest of my community join us. I have also heard that the opposition is trying to revoke state recognition of our marriages in this process as well.

    I have my state issued marriage certificate that took us 13 years to get, framed and on the wall. They will have to pry it out of my cold, dead, gay hands.

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    • 50. Mike K  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:22 am

      lol … Ditto Robby … we too are one of the 18,000 couples here (married in Oct ’08). And still so very happily so. And I told my hubby the same last night … they had better come with a crow bar if they hope to pry that Marriage Certificate out of my hands.

      Thanks to the entire team for the fight … keeping the faith each and every day.

      Mike & DJ

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  • 51. bJason  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Georgia

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  • 52. Mike  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Missouri here.

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  • 53. Ryan  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Logged on from FL, not much work getting done this afternoon!

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  • 54. Wren  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Ya’at’eeh abini T’iists’ozi’dii. Good morning from Crownpoint on the Navajo Nation!!! Glad to be on this blog for this historic event!

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    • 55. Papa Foma  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:47 am

      Yahtaheee!! Good to see truly native representation!!!

      Felyx

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    • 56. fiona64  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:51 am

      Ya’at’eeh!

      Love,
      Fiona

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  • 57. Jon  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:19 am

    I’m grateful for everything you guys are doing to get this discriminatory proposition repealled. Watching and refreshing in Maryland.

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  • 58. David  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Checking in from Sacramento.

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    • 59. Amy  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:28 am

      Another from Sacramento… waiting to find out if my September wedding will be legal… Thanks for showing up, David!

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      • 60. David  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:55 am

        Thanks Amy. We got married Aug 24, 2008. Marriage absolutely DOES change one for the better. Good luck!

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  • 61. Josh Slocum  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Vermont here!

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  • 62. Ben  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:20 am

    REFRESH from Atlanta!

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  • 63. Sagesse  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Toronto, Canada

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  • 64. Ed  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Indiana….but i spent 31 years in Louisiana (forever a southerner), so I’m representing 2 states….hope thats allowed lol

    ED

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  • 65. Lance  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Hi everyone! Can’t wait for the trial to finish and a ruling to come!!

    <3 Lance from Pennsylvania

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  • 66. Heather Freeman  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Eagerly refreshing this page every hour from here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

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  • 67. Rob  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Texas here anxiously awaiting commentary from the courtroom!

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  • 68. Phil L  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Watching from Austin TX!

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  • 69. twilley  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Here refreshing in Germany–but at home in Saint Louie!

    And newly engaged, to boot ;o) California would be a great honeymoon option…

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  • 70. Jason Zenobia  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:24 am

    I have a job interview today, but I’ll be checking back in as soon as I get home. I don’t know which I’m more excited about.
    Thanks to everyone for all your hard work.

    Particularly interested in how the bigot-lawyers address the question: “How denying marriage to gay couples HELPS straight marriage?”

    It’s really all they’ve got left – and it’s nothing.

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  • 71. Audrey GetEQUAL Smith  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Sitting on the edge of my chair hitting refresh and reading tweets in central Pennsylvania (I guess this is an upside to being currently unemployed)

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  • 72. Kathleen  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:25 am

    There are “live transcripts” at the AFER site. A little hard to follow. Not sure if they’re the result of voice recognition software, or what.. .you have to kind of skip over the incomprehensible sections, but you can get a good sense of what’s going on live, while waiting for updates from Rick.
    http://www.equalrightsfoundation.org/action/follow-closing-arguments/

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    • 73. Desh  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:36 am

      These are probably a live feed from the court reporter. The symbols in {BRACKETS} are things the reporter typed that could not be recognized by the real-time software. The reporter will clean this up later for it to become the official court transcript.

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      • 74. Kathleen  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:45 am

        Thanks for the explanation, Desh. Appreciate it. Makes sense now.

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  • 75. dlemex  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:26 am

    This California is watching from Mexico.

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  • 76. Stacey  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Mississippi here. With the recent treatment of Constance McMillen and Ceara Sturgis, it is imperative that we have federal protection. Watching closely. Thanks to everyone for fighting for us.

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  • 77. politicalsailor  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:27 am

    trial has started…emptywheel made comment that wireless is weak, is rick having update problems or just waiting for a big update chunk?

    checking in at both places, but to share a bit more of a blow by blow:
    http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/06/16/prop-8-liveblog/

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  • 78. MChristoff  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Fargo North Dakota here.

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  • 79. Rob  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Not sure why this site isn’t updating yet but firedoglake’s site is more current — at the moment — with opening remarks updated.

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  • 80. Rich  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Nevada here…!!!

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  • 81. Sandy  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:29 am

    grateful for the live blogging here in Virginia! Thank you.

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  • 82. Jason  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Oklahoma is here too! Doubt any of you thought you’d hear that! :D It’s really nice to see people from all over the states here to support this cause!

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  • 83. Mike Wallace  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:30 am

    From cloudy Long Beach, CA. I know this process will be dragged for quite some time with appeals but I know in my heart we are closer to endingof this stupid ballet measure. My legal husband and I look forward to many more friend’s wedding in the years to come.

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  • 84. Andrew Vergowven  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:31 am

    I’m sitting outside the courthouse. Lot’s of people here excited that the judge will do the right thing.

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  • 85. Bryan  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:31 am

    I’ve been refreshing and nothing is happening. The trial has already begun.

    http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/06/16/prop-8-liveblog/

    I hope someone is blogging!!

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    • 86. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:37 am

      See Kathleen’s comment above. AFER is doing live transcripts. I am following that and here. Olson has already blown it out of the water about how the Pro Prop H8 side was claiming protect the children in the voter guides and then during the trial changed to traditional marriage and procreation arguments.

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  • 87. hotdog  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:32 am

    The Great Pacific Northwest here – WA….can I rep two states too? I was a CTer for MANY years.
    It’s been toooooooooo long coming – equality at once!

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  • 88. rf  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:33 am

    firedoglake is a little farther along — http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/55046

    –New Jersey

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  • 89. Lex  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:33 am

    I’m late for the roll call — but Maryland is here! Can’t wait to read what’s going on. This is very exciting.

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  • 90. Sharon  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:34 am

    New Hampshire, where same-sex marriage is legal, is represented.

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  • 91. Casey  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:34 am

    I’m in Virginia, too – Richmond representing! See all of you here actually brought a tear to my eye. Thanks for the solidarity. I wish we could all stand together physically, but it helps that our hearts and minds are focusing such positive energy on our team in California!

    GO TEAM GO!!

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  • 92. Gabe  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:34 am

    I’m in the dentist chair waiting for any updates…San Diego representing!

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  • 93. Shirrell  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:34 am

    refreshing from GA =)

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  • 94. Rob  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:36 am

    firedoglake is reporting opening comments by Olson and questions posed to him by Judge Walker.

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  • 95. Bradb  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Peace Corps Volunteer from Illinois here following anxiously all the way from Ecuador! Thanks for all you’re doing back home. I wish I could be there to help with all the exciting progress that’s being made on behalf of GLBT rights.

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  • 96. Michael Herman  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:37 am

    I used to live in California and clearly remember the Prop 8 vote. I made my voice known loud and clear that this was wrong.

    Now I’m living in Oregon, and I’m still just as vocal.

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  • 97. Cristina  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Logged on in Seattle, anxiously awaiting every word!

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  • 98. R Lavigueur  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:38 am

    I’m watching from Fredericton, up in Canada. This fight for equality impacts all of us, we’re supporting you too!

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    • 99. Bob  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:36 am

      hey Fredericton, I’m from Salt Spring Island, from East to West, Canada’s watching, and supporting, this fight is for us too,

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  • 100. Rusty Ross-Brooks  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Good morning, friends and fellow warriors. Sometimes it felt like today would never arrive, didn’t it?

    My beautiful rainbow flag is flying proudly in a just-enough breeze from my porch out here in the ‘burbs of the Bay Area. It is a gloriously mild sunny day that we’ve all waited anxiously for. Perhaps a sign that the universe is smiling down on us.

    Thanks to all who have labored so hard to be our eyes and ears. My wife and I of 30+ years are eternally grateful. We also have our marriage license framed on the wall along with our marriage certificate that came 20 years to the day before we were “legal.” So let me second Robby Robbins’ statement: >> They will have to pry it out of my cold, dead, gay hands.<<

    I for one intend to fight until our battle is won!!!

    Another half of the lucky 18,000 couples.

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    • 101. JC  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:39 am

      Good idea–I’ll run out on a break and put out our rainbow flag, too!

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      • 102. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:08 am

        Ours flies every day here in Hope Mills, right next to our Israeli flag. And we have rainbow flag stickers and magnets on our car and our truck, along with our rainbow arm bands.

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  • 103. Theresa  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:40 am

    GOOD MORNING & THANK YOU RICK!
    F5 from Los Angeles, CA

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  • 104. Up&Adam  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:40 am

    greetings from Nebraska, blood pressure is through the roof, ineffable thanks to all concerned

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  • 105. Kathleen  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Now playing clips of plaintiffs’ original testimony of what marriage means to them – makes me cry as much the second time as first.

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  • 106. Emily  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Sacramento here… hoping to hear some GOOD news. =) Let’s make this Pride Month one to always remember!!!

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  • 107. Kerri  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Watching !!!! and waiting …. can’t wait to see what comes from today’s arguments.

    -from one of the lucky 18,000

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  • 108. Adrenalin Tim  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Seattle, Washington checking in.

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  • 109. B&E  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Live in Nashville, TN one of the 18,000.

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  • 110. Rob  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Anyone know why this site isn’t updating???

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  • 111. Anne  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Firedog lake has already started posting their blog – http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/55046

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  • 112. lou  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:45 am

    See live transcript here http://www.equalrightsfoundation.org/action/follow-closing-arguments/

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  • 113. Sheryl  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:46 am

    here from Concord, Calif.

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  • 114. LER  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Seattle here, tuned in.

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  • 115. K!r!lleXXI  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Subscribing

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    • 116. K!r!lleXXI  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:53 am

      Darn it, forgot to say:
      Following closing arguments from RUSSIA (150 miles outside Moscow).

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      • 117. Felyx  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:56 am

        Sitting with Russia on Skype watching from Raleigh, NC…cheers to the future of marriage and to our future!

        F&K

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      • 118. K!r!lleXXI  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:03 am

        Yay!
        Cheers!
        And here’s to our future, my lovely mister Felyx!
        ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
        K

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  • 119. KRJ  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Seattle Washington here

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  • 120. Rob  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:52 am

    The live transcript on the Equal Rights Foundation website is very specific if you want to check it out!

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  • 121. hotdog  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:53 am

    SWEET! That’s 3 of us so far in Seattle and surrounding WA. Let’s all commit to displaying our rainbow flags on decision day – to exhibit the solidarity we show each other here….to show everybody else. Spread the word! Out and Proud!

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  • 122. john t  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Watching from Portland, Oregon here — but born and raised in California, where most of my family still lives, so Prop 8 is kinda personal.

    I don’t think I’ve commented here before, but I just wanted to say thanks for this great site and the work you’ve done transcribing the trial and providing background and commentary.

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    • 123. fiona64  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:12 am

      Welcome, John!

      Love,
      Fiona (straight ally for equality)

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  • 124. Denny  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:54 am

    here in New Jersey

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  • 125. LER  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:55 am

    I should also say my wife and I were married in California two weeks before the 2008 election. And hello RUSSIA!! The world truly is watching today.

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  • 126. Mark  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Just across the bay here, but eagerly awaiting the live blogging.

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  • 127. fiona64  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Checking in from my office in Milpitas, CA. Silicon Valley is paying attention. :-)

    Love,
    Fiona

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  • 128. Straight Ally #3008  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:58 am

    It’s all different this time, much more like the stories I read about William Jennings Bryan and Clarence Darrow.

    I sincerely hope the outcome is better than the Scopes Trial, even though there is no doubt in my mind that marriage equality will rule the day sooner or later. Remember, John Scopes lost that trial, but, happily creationists have been defeated in every major court case since that time. Lets hope this trial leads to a Brown v. Board of Education and not a Dred Scott decision.

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  • 129. Patrick  |  June 16, 2010 at 10:59 am

    from http://www.equalrightsfoundation.org/action/follow-closing-arguments/

    Proposition 8 is unconstitutional because California
    voters don’t know whether allowing gays and lesbians to
    marry would discourage heterosexual from pro creative
    conduct. Well that is what the proponents say about
    marriage and the threat to their concept of the
    institution of marriage from allowing marriage by
    persons of the same sex.

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  • 130. Patrick  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:00 am

    JUDGE WALKER: Well they have identified a
    difference between opposite sex and same-sex couples in
    that opposite-sex couples can pro create without the
    intervention of a third party. That is a difference.

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  • 131. Niles  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Checking in from Chicago, IL here. I had p8tt open constantly for most of January (even sitting in the middle of class…), and I’m going to have it open constantly for today, too :D

    Reply
  • 132. Marc C (mediamaniac)  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Thailand here.

    Reply
  • 133. Patrick  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:01 am

    JUDGE WALKER: But doesn’t California
    accommodate gays and lesbians by providing domestic
    partnership rights which are essentially all the rights
    associated with marriage? Why isn’t that sufficient
    accommodation?

    Reply
  • 134. Kathleen  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Hello everyone. It’s so great to see people joining in from all over the world!

    Keep reporting your locations. I’ll go through the comments after the fact and summarize all the localities represented.

    Reply
  • 135. Patrick  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:02 am

    MR OLSON:
    The Supreme Court has said that marriage is
    the most important relation in life. Now that’s being
    withheld from the plaintiffs. It is the foundation of
    society.

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  • 136. Mandy  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Here from walnut creek, ca

    I have been reading the transcript over at firedoglake and it is giving me goosebumps. Plaintiff’s attorneys are so eloquent and frankly amazing. Here is to the law getting it right.

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  • 137. Patrick  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:04 am

    MR OLSON:
    Marriage the
    Supreme Court has said again and again is a
    component of liberty privacy association spirituality
    and autonomy. It is a right possessed by persons of
    different races, by persons in prison, and by
    individuals who are delinquent in paying child support.
    It is a right of individuals, not an indulgence
    dispensed by the California to favor, or any state, to
    favored classes of citizens which could easily be
    withdrawn if the state were to change its mind about pro
    creation.

    Reply
  • 138. hotdog  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:05 am

    I agree with Mandy – move to firedoglake….up-to-date and VERY stimulating/encouraging….stunning how simple the argument sounds, but how clever the presentation is.

    Reply
  • 139. James Tuttle  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:06 am

    YAY!!! Closing arguments…I know its weird, but I feel an electricity in my body today…I’m antsy even though a ruling is still weeks away. I would give a thumb to be able to share this excitement with some fellow trial tracker followers…especially when I look around…and everyone in my real world is so completely unaware how important this day is for us…and my partner is at work. In any case..I raise my cup of coffee to you all…cheers to marriage and more importantly, equality!!

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  • 140. Patrick  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:08 am

    MR. OLSON: What a powerful statement that
    slave made. The marriage covenant is the foundation of
    all of our rights. It exemplified freedom. He could
    say I do to his partner.

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  • 141. Patrick  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Missed part of that…

    an ex slave
    who had also been a union soldier and he
    declared the marriage covenant is the
    foundation of all our rights, meaning it was
    the most every day exhibit of the fact that he
    was a free person. He could say I do to his
    partner.”

    MR. OLSON: What a powerful statement that
    slave made. The marriage covenant is the foundation of
    all of our rights. It exemplified freedom. He could
    say I do to his partner.

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  • 142. Patrick  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:09 am

    MR. OLSON: So we learned also during the
    trial that racial restrictions on the right to marry
    were finally eliminated for good in Loving v. Virginia
    in 1967, ending laws like Proposition 8 which prohibited
    certain marriage choices for citizens that had once
    existed in 41 states. Proposition 8 is very, very much
    like those restrictions.

    Reply
  • 143. bubu  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:10 am

    A landmark day of such importance to my family. I blogged an open letter to my son about it. http://bit.ly/cNbPbm

    Reply
  • 144. RebeccaRGB  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Good Morning from Napa, CA! Anxiously pounding F5 as we speak… :)

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  • 145. Patrick  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:11 am

    MR OLSON:
    We are not just
    talking about the couples who wish to get married. We
    are talking about their children. In 2005 there were
    37,000 of California’s children living in households
    headed by same-sex couples. The evidence was
    uncontradicted curing during this trial and overwhelming
    that the lives of these children would be better if they
    were living in a marital household. Even
    Mr. Blankenhorn, the proponents’ witness, the
    proponents’ principal witness agreed with that
    proposition.

    NOTE: This is important. The defense said Prop 8 benefits children, Olson suggests that it discriminates against some children.

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  • 146. Marissa  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Checking in from Salt Lake City, Utah

    I know. I know. I hate my state too.

    Reply
    • 147. Lesbians Love Boies  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:15 am

      Welcome Utah!

      I was born in SLC! Don’t miss those cold winters…but very pretty state.

      Reply
  • 148. Bobby  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Hello from Alabama. As one half of one of the happy 18,000 couples I am so excited. If only I could be there to here Molly McKay singing.

    Reply
  • 149. Dennis  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:16 am

    This 58-year old Native Californian/Native American is awe-struck with the comments and interest here. I lost my partner, Larry, of 27 years in August 2006 and this would have meant so much to him!! I know he’s watching now. My thanks from both of us to all of you for this. It is really quite overwhelming. ♥
    Dennis from Covina in Southern California

    Reply
  • 150. Heather  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:18 am

    You’re awesome for being there for we who can’t be! Thank you!!!!!!!

    Reply
  • 151. Leslie Vincent-Martinez  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Asking again — when is the decision expected?

    This is extremely personal to me. My spouse and I were married 8/9/8 in San Francisco. Our grandchildren (who live with us) know that we are MARRIED. We live in Delaware, where our state law says that we could be fined $100 or sent to jail or both for having gotten married in California!! Talk about a dehumanizing law.

    It’s time for this to change. I am so emotional about all of this, and I honestly need to plan carefully for when the final announcement is made because no matter its outcome, I can’t imagine not being overwhelmed with emotion and tears.

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    • 152. fiona64  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:24 am

      Do they fine straight couples for getting married in a different state? What kind of nonsense is *that*?

      Love,
      Fiona

      Reply
      • 153. Leslie Vincent-Martinez  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:26 am

        http://delcode.delaware.gov/title13/c001/sc01/index.shtml

        Reply
      • 154. Sapphocrat  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:40 am

        Fiona: I didn’t know about Delaware, but that’s the way it is (or was, at least, in mid-2008) in Wisconsin, too: There’s a state statute that prohibits residents from going to another state to get married if that marriage wouldn’t be performed/recognized in Wisconsin. Violators can be fined $10K and imprisoned for up to nine months. (I don’t know if it’s ever been enforced, but there it is.)

        Aside to Leslie: I’m where you are on all this (except geographically; I’m in CA) — emotions over the top, spending much time & thought trying to figure out how to deal with the final decision, no matter what it, and no matter when.

        And: Happy upcoming anniversary from another of the 18K… married 8/9/8 ourselves. :)

        Reply
    • 155. Kathleen  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:28 am

      I seem to recall counsel saying they expect a decision in “few weeks”

      Reply
    • 156. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:30 am

      No decision date has been set at this point. Hopefully we will know that by the end of today.

      Reply
  • 157. Kerri  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:26 am

    … Leslie, the decision is still a couple of weeks away … won’t be today (I don’t think.)
    Stay positive , you did the right thing : )

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    • 158. Leslie Vincent-Martinez  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:28 am

      I knew it wouldn’t be today, but had no idea if we’d have to wait for another several months.

      How much advance notice will they give of the exact date? I’m not at all joking about needing to clear my schedule to ensure that I hear at the first possible moment.

      Reply
      • 159. Kathleen  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:36 am

        It will be a written decision. Walker MIGHT give some indication in court today of when to expect it. But in general, counsel have said probably a “few weeks.”

        Reply
      • 160. Kerri  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:46 am

        keep posted to this Trial Tracker for updates to our situation.

        Reply
  • 161. Bill  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Beverly Hills, CA in the house!

    Reply
  • 162. Lesbians Love Boies  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Hi Everyone, a new blog has been started

    Reply
  • 163. Kit Tyler  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Another visitor from New Mexico checking in!

    Reply
  • 164. Phillip  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Longmont Colorado here!

    Good luck and here’s to fighting against discrimination!

    Reply
  • 165. Leslie Vincent-Martinez  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:35 am

    How about a different roll call — how many of us here were married in CA before Prop H8te?

    Married 8/9/8 in San Francisco, surrounded by many wonderful supportive friends, who as part of our ceremony, made their own vow to support our marriage and fight for our right to have our marriage recognized throughout the country.

    Reply
  • 171. Mark M.  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Seattle WA here!
    Hubby and I are very anxious….the next few weeks waiting for Judge Walker’s ruling will be torturous I fear

    Reply
    • 172. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  June 16, 2010 at 12:14 pm

      That is why I am following this so closely. My husband and I will have to go to Washington, DC and make two trips that they are currently saying will be 8-10 weeks apart in order to have our marriage license and marriage certificate, and we both feel that everyone should have the right to get married at home if they wish, and not have to travel out of state. This is another part of the discrimination against us.

      Reply
  • 173. Mark M.  |  June 16, 2010 at 11:49 am

    1988 Holy Union MCC San Diego
    1993 Mass wedding in DC at Civil Rights rally/march

    Waiting for the ‘real’ thing…..together 27 yrs and still only engaged as it were
    :-(

    Reply
  • 174. Gail  |  June 16, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Married 7-3-08 Laguna Beach, CA
    2 years of heaven on earth – supported, loved, encouraged, believed in – wait, and this hurts California HOW?

    Reply

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