NOM Tour Tracker: “Live Free or Die” in New Hampshire? Not if NOM has anything to do with it

July 15, 2010 at 7:07 pm 69 comments

By Eden James

Danny Segura and Robert Oliver, our intrepid NOM Tour Trackers, are back with another report from Day 2 of the National Organization for Marriage’s “Summer for Marriage: One Man, One Woman” tour in Manchester, New Hampshire.

So, what happened in the “Live Free or Die” state (New Hampshire’s state motto) today?

Here’s Robert’s take on the NOM rally in Manchester:

When Daniel and I approached today’s rally, 41 marriage equality supporters had already taken their place opposite the NOM podium on the steps of City Hall in Manchester. The NOM rally, which numbered 76 according to our hand-count, began with Brian Brown thanking the crowd for being there to support “traditional” marriage and blasting the marriage equality protesters’ signs.

Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse — the source of yesterday’s quote-of-the-day and a gift that keeps on giving — spoke again on behalf of the Ruth Institute. Between her stock bad joke and a plug for her Internet series, Dr. Morse gave an anecdote illustrating her point that marriage can be defended using secular arguments.

At a church married couple’s retreat, Morse reminded the audience, husband and wives spend the weekend discussing the differences between men and women. Same-sex married couples will demand to attend, she argued, then asking, “What are you going to talk about? There goes the whole weekend!” Morse argued that this would be among the consequences of gays marrying: the state meddling in the conversations you can have at a couple’s retreat. Therefore, by her deductive reasoning, gay marriage should be banned.

Morse went on to misinform and scare her audience by incorrectly defining “heterosexism.” “Heterosexism,” she continued, “is the view that heterosexuality is normal.” To a great applause, she declared, “News flash! Heterosexuality is normal in our species.”

It seems that NOM has caught on to Danny and me. Throughout the rally, Brian Brown and his cohorts starred daggers at us. They were obviously not happy to have the Courage Campaign tracking their anti-gay rally. It is also likely, of course, that some attendees were tipped off to our presence, as a few ran from me when asked to speak on camera. I found it odd that people armed with “The Truth” would find it intimidating to defend their opinions on camera.

Those that did speak to me surprised me. While they suffered from the same persecution complex and disdain for gay people, they remained rhetorically cautious. A few opined that homosexual relations should be re-criminalized, others that gays live a short, unfulfilling life filled with pain and sadness.

Meanwhile, as Robert indicated above, NOM was again faced with a counter-protest by marriage equality supporters. And while the marriage equality movement didn’t outnumber NOM’s turnout today like we did yesterday, equality activists in Manchester were able to make their presence known in a way that spoke volumes… silently.

As Danny wrote:

A silent protest was enacted to counter the NOM rally today in Manchester, New Hampshire. The silent, peaceful protest had 41 participants, called to action by New Hampshire Representative David Pierce, who was there with his partner Bob Duff.

They assembled with two days notice for the protest. The protesters stood a mere 20 feet away, facing the rally, for the entirety of it, leaving only an ample walk way as buffer between the two opposing camps. The signs were mainly homemade with slogans like “Live Free or Die. Support equality” and “NH=Equality.”

Two straight young college students who happened to walk by just before the rally, and who told me they did not consider themselves activists, were outraged by what they saw and quickly scurried home to make simple signs and join the protesters in solidarity.

It is important to note that New Hampshire has had marriage equality since the first of this year. A marriage equality bill last year was passed first in House of Representatives (a house of 400 reps, the 4th largest decision-making body in the world) then in the Senate, and then signed into effect by Gov. John Lynch. (Gov. John Baldacci of Maine who spoke at yesterday’s press conference is the only other U.S. Govenor to have signed a marriage equality bill into effect).

Two of the representatives that signed the marriage equality bill were Rep. Pierce and Rep. Robert Thomas—both openly gay legislators whom I had the privilege of sitting down with for lunch to interview. When I am able, I’ll send more on my conversations with these representatives.

More to come from Danny and Robert in subsequent posts, including pictures and video.

Meanwhile, Maine Watchdog has posted this video of an interview with Brian Brown, Executive Director of the National Organization for Marriage, outside the Maine NOM tour stop on Wednesday:

Let us know your thoughts in the comments about Maine Watchdog’s interview with Brian Brown and what transpired today in Manchester.

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  • 1. USMC  |  July 15, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    I laugh at NOM’s use of ‘threats against them’ as a defense for their bigotry. Gay citizens in our own country receive death threats daily simply for who we are.

    It must be nice creating a job out of thin air (Brian Brown) where you are paid to spread hate.

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    • 2. JonT  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:34 am

      Heh, not only do lgbt’s get death threats, they actually get killed.

      I’d still love to see the official police reports about all of these death threats and other BS these poor oppressed n0m supporters suffer. It must be truly tragic.

      I’d love to read the police report detailing the beating death of a n0m supporter (or anyone else) by a gang of gays. Oh wait, never happened you say? Then shut the fuck up BB.

      Just more ‘I’m a victim crap’.

      Wonder what he’ll say when someday (as it will certainly happen) marriage equality come *back* to Maine.

      Looking forward to that day.

      :)

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      • 3. Marlene  |  July 16, 2010 at 7:20 am

        Don’t forget, Jon… they’re being oppressed because they can’t oppress us anymore!

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    • 4. NH Rep. David Pierce  |  July 16, 2010 at 9:09 am

      We were so proud to bear witness to NH’s steadfast commitment to equality. Life Free or Die really means something to us! See more at http://bluehampshire.com/diary/10361/nom-and-the-rally-that-wasnt and http://bluehampshire.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=10363.

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      • 5. fiona64  |  July 16, 2010 at 9:20 am

        Rep. Pierce, many thanks to you from a straight ally in California. It’s nice to see folks stand up for our LGBT friends all across the country.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 6. Kathleen  |  July 16, 2010 at 9:21 am

        Thank you Rep. Pierce – for showing up and for the great report.

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      • 7. Alan E.  |  July 16, 2010 at 9:25 am

        It’s great to see representatives getting out there with the “common people,” so to speak.

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  • 8. B&E  |  July 15, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    Thanks so much for your hard work guys. It takes a strong individual to be face to face with that much ignorant hate and remain silent.

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  • 9. Bolt  |  July 15, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    B. Brown is a goofy orangutan. He wore the same outfit two days in a row, on a national tour, and thinks we won’t notice. He totally lacks star quality!

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    • 10. Paul  |  July 15, 2010 at 7:39 pm

      Bolt…remember, these are hetero’s without an ounce of good taste and I’m guessing wear the same “boxers” for a week “straight”. There’s not an ounce of class in these morons…don’t expect them to care about their outfits.
      Just enjoy the fact that you noticed and they didn’t.

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      • 11. Bolt  |  July 15, 2010 at 7:50 pm

        I don’t hate on straight, and don’t focus on his sexuality. There are plenty of poorly dressed LGBTQIAs’; however, I would expect a world class presentation by Brian Brown. He has proclaimed to be the savior of traditional marriage, and his appearance is very repetitive. In my opinion, this shows that he doesn’t care about his audience.

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      • 12. Marlene  |  July 16, 2010 at 7:22 am

        Don’t forget, Paul that he’s on a national tour. He’s assuming that everyone there supporting his hate is seeing him for the first time and thus doesn’t have to take an entire closet with him.

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      • 13. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 8:32 am

        @Marlene

        [Brian Brown is] assuming that everyone there supporting his hate is seeing him for the first time and thus doesn’t have to take an entire closet with him.

        When you live in the closet you kinda forget that its purpose is to store your clothes; and since you’re hiding there all the time, there is no space for clothes there.

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    • 14. JonT  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:38 am

      hehe, yeah, and is it my imagination or is he really starting to ‘chunk’ out? Needs to lay off the cheetos and pepsi. Go for a walk or something once and awhile.

      Ok, personal attacks are not useful. But considering his ‘douchyness’, I’ll indulge myself this once. Please forgive me. Won’t happen again.

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  • 15. Kathleen  |  July 15, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Thanks for the report and I agree w/B&E – it’s got to be tough to actually interact with so much hatred and keep your cool. Well done.

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    • 16. JonT  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:39 am

      I definitely second that. Thanks!

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  • 17. Ray in MA  |  July 15, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    How much $ will Brian Brown NOT make if he is not PAID to spread BIGOTRY?

    DiISGUSTING

    LIAR

    HATE

    OPPRESSIION

    CHRISTIAN

    SICK !!!!????????????

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  • 18. Paul  |  July 15, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    I take great comfort in knowing that we’re smarter, dress better, dance better, have more disposable income, make better parents, take better care of our bodies and souls, love more freely, embrace diversity more readily, look better in our old age, do hair and makeup like there’s no tomorrow….where would they be without us…really???

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    • 19. Fluffyskunk  |  July 16, 2010 at 12:21 pm

      What.

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    • 20. nightshayde  |  July 16, 2010 at 2:18 pm

      I’m sure they’d be hating on someone or something else. They need to denigrate other people in order to feel that they have any worth — after all, how can they show the value of their faith if they can’t prove that they’re better than someone else?

      There aren’t enough eyerolls…

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  • 21. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  July 15, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Checking in.

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  • 22. Sagesse  |  July 15, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Perhaps they will build some momentum as the tour progresses, and the weekends will no doubt get better turnout, but if it doesn’t get much better than this, hard to see what they’re accomplishing that’s worth the effort…. and the money they’re spending.

    In the interview, he acknowledged, for the first time that I’ve heard, anyway, that their argument for not releasing names is that donations go into and are distributed from their general fund, and are not raised for any particular state. In other words, they are selling their donors anonymity.

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    • 23. JonT  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:44 am

      In other words, they are selling their donors anonymity.

      Yes, a very important point. They fight *very* hard to prevent release of their donor lists. A funnel for hate-money, and a front organization against equality. That’s n0m’s mission.

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  • 24. Vanessa  |  July 15, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    76 people were in attendance? 76?! Oh yeah, they are just gonna make a massive impact with this “tour”. NOM is worthless. FAIL.

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    • 25. Ronnie  |  July 15, 2010 at 10:20 pm

      don’t forget Vanessa…..they are the ones who came up with:

      “NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM”….

      how original?….DOUBLE FAIL..however, it is becoming a great joke at their expense…..they are such losers..JMHGO…<3…Ronnie

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      • 26. Franck  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:18 am

        Sorry, this shouldn’t have any links with the NOM we’re talking about but…

        http://www.furaffinity.net/full/4168876/

        … anyone else finds this hilarious and feels the need to mock Gallagher, Hate and Co. on a similarly humorous tone? :D

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      • 27. JonT  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:46 am

        Franck: I would concur. :)

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      • 28. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 6:58 am

        English pronunciation of “NOM” coincides with Russian pronunciation
        of the word “нам” which in translation means “to us / for us“.
        So, I’m saying, “Равные права!  НАМ!  СЕЙЧАС!” (“Equal rights!  FOR US!  NOW!“).

        НАМ, НАМ, НАМ, НАМ, НАМ, НАМ, НАМ!
        FOR US, FOR US, FOR US, FOR US, FOR US, FOR US, FOR US!

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  • 29. Andrew F.  |  July 15, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    It’s so strange, because I attend college nearby and my dorm’s right down the road from where the rally was held. This also hits home for me, because when I still didn’t accept myself I used to listen to Issues Etc. (A conservative Lutheran radio program.) and Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse would often appear on the show. Even when I didn’t approve of my homosexual feelings, I could tell her words were very harsh and were even hateful.

    I only wish I could have been there. It’s sooo hard to believe that women like her and Maggie Gallagher actually exist.

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    • 30. Bryan  |  July 16, 2010 at 12:20 am

      I’m a college student, too, and I’ve been coming to terms with my sexuality over the past few years. I completely agree with you– I don’t think people like Maggie truly understand how hurtful they can be, especially to vulnerable adolescents who are scared about their sexuality. For me, groups like NOM only served to reinforce my own internalized homophobia.

      Glad to hear you’re in a more accepting place right now. I’m gonna go to the Freedom to Marry rally in Columbus on the 23rd– I’ll yell extra-loud on your behalf. :-)

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      • 31. Owen  |  July 16, 2010 at 2:17 am

        The bravery you guys display is admirable. You’re a reminder of how lucky I’ve been to have a positive support system around me and not have to deal with these struggles.

        Keep up the good fight and continue to love/embrace yourselves.

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      • 32. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 5:38 am

        Bryan, I hear ya; when I was a teen, whenever I heard Pat Robertson, Anita Bryant, and others of their ilk ranting about homosexuals, it only reinforced the fears I had of being gay, and built on the self-loathing I experienced whenever I thought about my best friend or other girls “that way.” I think they know full well how vulnerable teens are, and don’t give a shit whether teens “convert” or die trying.

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      • 33. Andrew F.  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:19 pm

        Thank you for yellin’ for me! *hugs*

        Her message doesn’t work, because it’s filled with such contempt and anger. I might have been more inclined (A year ago maybe.) to believe her views on homosexuality and gay marriage were wrong if she would simply just stopped making gay people out to be sick and destructive deviants. People like her are giving the church a bad name!

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  • 34. William Barton  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:01 am

    People have the right to arrange their relationships as they see fit. Anything else but validating their private choices endangers everyone’s clear path to fulfillment and freedom. To ask people never to change their ideas about marriage is like asking a woman to wear her greatgrandmother’s corset, and never take it off.

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  • 36. JonT  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:22 am

    I found it odd that people armed with “The Truth” would find it intimidating to defend their opinions on camera.

    Hehe – ya know, that pretty much says it all concerning n0m.

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  • 37. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:24 am

    A few opined that homosexual relations should be re-criminalized, others that gays live a short, unfulfilling life filled with pain and sadness.
    –Robert Oliver

    Well, duh!  We do live short lives filled with pain and sadness — because of your persecution!

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    • 38. Franck  |  July 16, 2010 at 2:03 am

      My thoughts exactly. That woman with a sign about bringing kids to a dangerous lifestyle? I would have replied her the biggest danger in my lifestyle was people like her…

      My coworker from the other day actually held a similar argument against ss marriage. According to him, ss marriage was not wrong per se. It’s just that ss marriage is constantly under attack. So, his solution: no ss marriage then.

      Fortunately, I did kick that idea out of his mind with a few steel-booted arguments – “better a marriage under constant attack than no marriage at all!” :D

      – Franck P. Rabeson
      Days spent apart from my fiancé because of DOMA: 1120 days, as of today (and why do I keep forgetting putting this signature in my posts?)

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      • 39. JonT  |  July 16, 2010 at 2:13 am

        I would have replied her the biggest danger in my lifestyle was people like her…

        Exactly.

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      • 40. Dave in Maine  |  July 16, 2010 at 5:16 am

        One of the arguments here in Maine against marriage equality is that the children in such families will experience emotional trauma from society.

        Dave

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      • 41. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 5:40 am

        @ Dave–they used the same argument against interracial marriage.

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      • 42. Franck  |  July 16, 2010 at 5:48 am

        I was born of an interracial marriage (African father, mixed-race white mother). Last year, in a debate about ss marriage and adoption by ss couples, someone actually used the racism I’ve suffered while growing up as proof that my parents shouldn’t have been allowed to get married and have me.

        The things you hear…

        – Franck P. Rabeson
        Days spent apart from my fiancé because of DOMA: 1120 days, as of today

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    • 43. JonT  |  July 16, 2010 at 2:11 am

      Ah.. Do we really Kirille? Is that really as true today?

      I saw these statements as rather… dated and ignorant (as is usual with these dipshits).

      Sure, when you are in the closet, and your only relationships are one-timers with strangers you pick up at some local hookup place, then that might be true. When you can’t talk to your family or your friends, or anyone else that you trust, that might be true. When you practice unsafe sex, it might be true.

      Probably many of us in this community have been in this position at some point in their lives. Maybe some still are.

      But I believe that is becoming less and less the case. More people come out, more people know other people who are gay, and more straight people just don’t think it’s a big deal anymore. More communities like this website and CC add strength and support.

      So I think those sentiments are really less and less true today. And that’s a big problem for them. The hate, the stigma, must be maintained (and increased) for them to win.

      They have to keep pushing the stigma – labeling us as whatever ugly things they can think of, to keep the hate quotient up.

      As long as people still think, I do not believe they can win in the long-term. Tides are changing. How long before the first popular vote decides in favor of marriage equality? It will happen, and their strategy will need to be ‘retooled’.

      I truly look forward to that day, cause I know it is coming.

      I suspect they do to :)

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      • 44. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 8:00 am

        @JonT

        Ah.. Do we really Kirille? Is that really as true today?

        Well, I live in Russia.  Imagine the United States 40 years ago — that’s how I live.  I constantly hear that it’s better in the US, but all the crimes, hateful speech, lies about danger to children we pose and our rights being voted on and taken away still sound to me like persecution.  Am I wrong?

        Sure, when you are in the closet…

        Well, I am in the closet, but I’m not looking for any one-timers or whatever.  Besides, I found my love!  We just happen to live on different continents for now.

        So I think those sentiments are really less and less true today.

        Tell that to all those today’s teenagers that still kill themselves because they are gay.  Ain’t that the persecution?  Ain’t that harmful?

        As for changing tides…  Of course, we’ll win!  I have no doubt about it.  And they will help us win, their prosecution, their bigotry, their stupidity will help us show that we need to be protected from them and we deserve all the same rights.

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      • 45. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:07 pm

        @JonT

        First it seems you just proved Kirill’s point and second, you do not live in a country that is still repressed. So it might be better for you but that is no reason to leave the rest of the world to the persecuting wolves of hate and ignorance.

        Felyx

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      • 46. JonT  |  July 16, 2010 at 3:33 pm

        Kirille and Felyx. I think you both missed my point (or I did not articulate it well enough).

        The argument that lgbt’s are inherently flawed because they suffer from disease, drug abuse, depression, and more likely to suicide was what I disagreed with.

        This argument has been around for quite a long time, and has been used as ‘proof’ that lgbt’s are ‘ill’ and ‘need help’, and that their ‘lifestyle’ is inherently dangerous to society.

        I was trying to point out that these are symptoms of oppression (as we no doubt all already know here), and not an intrinsic quality of lgbt’s, which is what your quote seemed to imply.

        Of course oppression is still widespread, but slowly and surely in little pockets of the world (like Argentina) it becomes less and less acceptable and mainstream.

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      • 47. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 6:23 pm

        @JonT

        I was trying to point out that these are symptoms of oppression

        That’s exactly what I was trying to say!  I guess, my attempt to be sarcastic was a lame one.  I’m sorry, I’m still learning the intricacies of the language.  By saying “because of your persecution” I was addressing people who persecute us in many ways, and it’s going on even as we speak, even in the US.  Note: I’m saying persecution, not prosecution (which was officially ended in the US only short 7 years ago with Lawrence v. Texas decision).  Religious groups (or should I say their leaders?) like Mormons and Catholics are still persecuting us by actively opposing marriage equality and adoption rights — ain’t that persecution?  And this NOM-mobile riding around the country is but one more evidence of that!

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      • 48. JonT  |  July 16, 2010 at 7:06 pm

        @Kirille

        That’s exactly what I was trying to say! I guess, my attempt to be sarcastic was a lame one.

        No, I guess I misunderstood the meaning of your original post. My apologies.

        Religious groups (or should I say their leaders?) like Mormons and Catholics are still persecuting us by actively opposing marriage equality and adoption rights — ain’t that persecution? And this NOM-mobile riding around the country is but one more evidence of that!

        Yes, we are in full agreement :)

        <3

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  • 49. rf  |  July 16, 2010 at 3:58 am

    “There are plenty of poorly dressed LGBTQIAs’”

    sadly, brian brown is likely one of them.

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    • 50. fiona64  |  July 16, 2010 at 8:13 am

      Fortunately, a) I had already swallowed my beverage and b) my palate has hardened. Otherwise, cola would have shot right out my nose when I read that.

      Love,
      Fiona

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  • 51. David  |  July 16, 2010 at 4:04 am

    We need an attorney with a brain to simply state to the courts that gay marriage discrimination is unconstitutional on the basis of it is a violation of the Separation of Church and State. If the argument is that marriage is defined as “one man and one woman” because “God said so,” that is imposing a religious definition onto the word marriage, and that is illegal. The State will not recognize any religion or force anyone to partake in any religion. WHEN IS THERE GOING TO BE AN ATTORNEY WITH A BRAIN? I don’t get why this simple analysis is not obvioous to all attorneys. I mean DAMN.

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    • 52. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 5:41 am

      Well, with the Prop 8 trial, we have 2 attorneys with very big brains, indeed!

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    • 53. Marlene  |  July 16, 2010 at 7:34 am

      David — What we *really* need are jurists who rule on the constitution and NOT as an agenda like Rehnquist, Bork, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts!

      Scalia is a vehement conservative who believes he’s superior due to his uber-Catholic beliefs. Well Your Honor, let’s send you back in time and see how you like being oppressed for your Italian and Catholic heritage?

      Thomas has also forgotten his history too! He lived at the tail end of segregation, and yet his heart is as cold as Pluto when it comes to the oppression of others he deems as not worthy of minority status. And him being in an interracial marriage, too!

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      • 54. fiona64  |  July 16, 2010 at 8:14 am

        One of the ministers at the Metropolitan Community Church I attend talks about how sometimes the oppressed feel they have the right to become the oppressors … I think that applies to both Scalia and Thomas.

        Love,
        Fiona

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    • 55. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 8:17 am

      @David, dear…
      They’re not using religion so blatantly in courts anymore.  They say things like “responsible procreation” (whatever the hell that means — they think heterosexual people should get married because they may “accidentally” have kids), “traditional marriage” (even though traditions are changing all the time and about 1500 years ago Christian Church was performing same-sex marriages), “protect the children” (as if gays are out to get the children — nonsense!), “complementary anatomy” (implying that “nature” [probably meaning God] created both genders for a specific reason and we shouldn’t interfere, at the same time forgetting that there are about 1600 animal species we know of so far that also have homosexual minority groups of individuals), “homosexuality is a choice” (well, first of all, any gay person will testify that they didn’t choose to be gay; and secondly, I refer you again back to those 1600 species that have gay individuals — did they “choose” to be gay, too?), “homosexuality does not even exist” (that’s a relatively new thing — they are getting desperate, so they decided to say that we don’t really exist, thus there’s not need to grant us any “special” rights).  The list goes on, I presume (wasn’t trying to make a complete list of hearsay and batshit craziness).  The point is, religious bigotry now is hidden behind pseudo-science and crazy claims that have no stand.  Go figure.

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  • 56. Sagesse  |  July 16, 2010 at 6:14 am

    The latest round in the debate over the DADT survey

    Servicemembers United responds to Pentagon criticism over stance on biased DADT survey

    http://sdgln.com/causes/2010/07/15/servicemembers-united-responds-pentagon-criticism-over-stance-biased-dadt-survey

    A couple of observations. It seems clear from this debate that the Pentagon is concerned about the 3 million heterosexual service members. What any of this means to the 66,000 LGBT service members does not matter to them. And in no circumstances can this be viewed in terms of the civil rights of those 66,000 troops. This is about The Military.

    Because this is not about the LGBT service members, in their minds, there is no need to accept input from the extremely knowledgeable organizations that support LGBTs right to serve… SLDN, Servicemembers United, and even the Palm Center. The attitude is not co-operative, it’s adversarial, and becoming more and more so every day. Not a good thing.

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  • 57. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 6:44 am

    Via email from Freedom to Marry

    To most of us, Love + Commitment = Marriage.

    Not to the anti-gay National Organization for Marriage (NOM).  NOM has launched a national tour promoting marriage discrimination against gay and lesbian couples.

    In advertising their anti-gay bus tour, NOM referred to supporters of the freedom to marry as those who ‘pillage the values of our Nation.’

    NOM is escalating its anti-gay attacks and Freedom to Marry is meeting them head on.

    To counter NOM’s fear-mongering and to show America what being FOR marriage really looks like, Freedom to Marry and local and state equality groups have teamed up for Summer for Marriage, a series of pro-marriage events across the country in July and August.

    Find information about Summer for Marriage Tour events in your area:
    http://www.freedomtomarry.org/summer-for-marriage

    To challenge NOM’s anti-gay rhetoric, Freedom to Marry is:
       • Working with partner groups on a nationally coordinated campaign to push back on NOM’s anti-gay attacks.
       • Engaging in effective media outreach to show how marriage discrimination hurts same-sex couples.
       • Mobilizing Freedom to Marry supporters to participate in on-the-ground actions with local, state, and national partners.

    This is the kind of on-the-ground action we need to change hearts and minds.  State-by-state and city-by-city, Freedom to Marry and it’s partner organizations are making the case that all loving and committed couples should be free to marry.

    Join us — because we cannot allow NOM’s distractions, distortions, and discriminatory agenda to go unanswered!

    Thanks for all you do,
    Michael Crawford
    Director of New Media,  Freedom to Marry

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  • 58. Gary  |  July 16, 2010 at 6:47 am

    “A few opined that homosexual relations should be re-criminalized, others that gays live a short, unfulfilling life filled with pain and sadness.” That is sooo far from the truth. I was married for 20 years, raised a family, and aside from my wonderful children, was miserable. I divorced, then came out to myself and my life has been incredible ever since (10 years now). I just married my partner in DC. NOM and the supporters have no clue!

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    • 59. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 6:57 am

      Exactly! My marriage to a man (in my 20’s) was “full of pain and sadness.” The last 20 years of my life, out & proud, have been the happiest EVER!

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  • 60. Dick Albertson  |  July 16, 2010 at 7:09 am

    I wish the female conducting the video interview would know enough to point the microphone at her mouth when asking a question. Kind of a one-sided interview the way she did it.

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  • 61. Alan E.  |  July 16, 2010 at 8:27 am

    gays live a short, unfulfilling life filled with pain and sadness.

    I love this meme because it is obviously without evidence. When I ask someone to point out where they can prove such a claim, they have to think and usually say 1 of 2 things: A) They just know because it has to be that way because it goes against nature; or B) they heard it from someone at church.

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    • 62. Joel  |  July 16, 2010 at 11:10 am

      I think that may be a direct quote from “Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex…”

      Kids had called my “fag” since third grade, but I didn’t really know what they meant until I read that book, even though I knew I was different. When I read the chapter on homosexuality, I was ready to kill myself. That one chapter hurt and confused me so much that it took years for me to get my self-esteem back. I wish I could sue that smarmy author for the years I lost as a result of his lies.

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      • 63. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 12:22 pm

        I found the same book in my high school library, read that chapter in the stacks, put it back on the shelf and worked harder to repress my feelings. You’re right, we should create a class action suit.

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    • 64. MikeK  |  July 18, 2010 at 10:54 am

      From what I have seen, the gays who have suffered, have suffered at he hands of abusive evangelical parents. I guess I was lucky, my parents, I’m sure wanted me not to be gay, but never did I hear them demean or condemn anyone for being gay. I can’t even comprehend how a parent could be so vile a person to abuse their own child in that way.

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  • […] didn’t quote was what Morse said about “heterosexism.” Remember this quote from Robert’s report yesterday on the rally: Morse went on to misinform and scare her audience by incorrectly defining […]

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  • 66. Tina  |  July 16, 2010 at 11:22 am

    What I’d really like to see is more STRAIGHT representatives out supporting equality and opposing these nuts and others like them. That would be news. And good news indeed.

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    • 67. avidreader  |  July 16, 2010 at 12:13 pm

      New Hampshire represented in this area: lots of straight allies joined to help stand for equality!

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  • 68. MikeK  |  July 18, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Evangelicalism. A culture of lies, arrogance and ignorance. I think more Americans are starting to listen to them and finely saying “ick, what creepy people”

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  • […] stop so far has been creative, of course — from Augusta, Maine to Manchester, New Hampshire, to yesterday in Albany, New York. LGBT activists in Maine opted not to be in the same space, but […]

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