NOM Tour Tracker: NOM’s not-so-secret mission? Press clippings galore

July 16, 2010 at 8:30 am 57 comments

By Eden James

I’m going to reveal a not-so-secret secret to you.

One of the reasons why the National Organization for Marriage launched this 33-day, 23-city “Summer for Marriage” tour (click the link to see our new google mapping of the tour) is…

To get in the news.

I know. You’re shocked, aren’t you? Well, consider NOM’s mission accomplished. For the last two days in Maine and New Hampshire, NOM has been able to earn media in local newspapers, TV and radio for their discriminatory agenda. What does that mean? It means that when citizens and voters turn on the news or open their newspapers, they see Brian Brown’s smiling face telling them how harmless they are and how NOM only hates the sin, not the sinner.

It’s not like Brown is sheepish about his organization’s earned media objectives. In yesterday’s email blast from Brian Brown to NOM supporters across the country, Brown came right out and said it:

“NOM’s Summer for Marriage bus tour will help us alert new supporters, build our activist list, and counteract the mainstream media news blackout–all to help us build the army of supporters we need to win this fight!”

Mainsteam news media blackout? That’s hilarious. For NOM it’s been a media lovefest the last two days, not to mention the last two years. He’s catnip for newspapers looking to fill their news hole with the controversy of the day.

Case-in-point: The Nashua Telegraph’s love letter to NOM posted last night on its web site in the guise of a straight news article on the Manchester, New Hampshire tour stop on Thursday. You can read it for yourself. Here’s one choice tidbit, in which Telegraph’s reporter served up a NOM frame on a silver platter from Jennifer Morse Roback (Jennifer, not “Ruth”), without any substantive quote from equality advocates to question said claim:

Dr. Ruth (sic) Roback, who heads the NOM-financed Ruth Institute, challenged the view that same-sex marriage does not degrade the lives of heterosexual couples.

Once same-sex marriage is made legal, Roback claimed state governments through education, social policies and other means try to force different social mores on the public.

“Marriage is a natural, pre-political institution; same-sex marriage is entirely a creation of the state,” Roback said. “Same-sex marriage is a hostile takeover of civil society by the state.”

And thus we see the earned media benefit of holding a rally in a public plaza for reporters to lap up your every word.

But what the Telegraph didn’t quote was what Morse said about “heterosexism.” Remember this quote from Robert’s report yesterday on the rally:

Morse went on to misinform and scare her audience by incorrectly defining “heterosexism.” “Heterosexism,” she continued, “is the view that heterosexuality is normal.” To a great applause, she declared, “News flash! Heterosexuality is normal in our species.”

Well, we’ve got the audio of much more than that — the extended quote and context (listen all the way to the end for the “guys in the shower” reference) along with a video roll-call of marriage equality signage assembled by “silent witness” counter-protesters across the street. It’s a two-for-one AV experience (you might have to watch — and listen — to it twice):

Finally, we leave you with this edifying clip from Zandra Rice Hawkins, Executive Director of Granite State Progress, a sister organization to the Courage Campaign in the Progress Now network.

While counter-protesting the NOM rally on Thursday, here’s what Zandra had to say about New Hampshire’s fresh new marriage equality law, what transpired in Manchester yesterday, and how the “silent witness” protest against NOM came together (yes, that’s Danny asking the question in the background):

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57 Comments Add your own

  • 1. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 8:33 am

    * squeeze *

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    • 2. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 9:07 am

      The words the so-called Doctor Jennifer Morse Roback is saying on the video posted in the P8TT post above. Transcription mine (sorry for any mistakes — bear in mind that I’m Russian and English is just my second language).

      Now, what is heterosexism?  Heterosexism is the view that heterosexuality is normal.  News flash: heterosexuality is normal in our species!  OK?  We are mammals.  Last I looked, we are mammals.  Heterosexuality is normal in our species.  So, when the government in credence says, “We are going to wipe out the view that heterosexuality is normal!” they are asking the government to do something which cannot be done because it’s not true, and they are writing themselves a blank check to do whatever they want.  That’s what that policy is about.  They even say it, “We’re going to wipe out homophobia or heterosexism in the workplace, at schools, on the job, on the sporting field, in the home.”  What are they gonna do on the sporting field?  They’re gonna go to the locker room and monitor what the guys clown around about while they are in the shower?  Give me a break!  This is none of their business!

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      • 3. fiona64  |  July 16, 2010 at 9:26 am

        Where did this woman obtain her doctorate, Close-cover-while-striking University?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosexism

        Quotes:

        Heterosexism is a term that applies to a system of negative attitudes, bias, and discrimination in favor of opposite-sex sexuality and relationships.[1] It can include the presumption that everyone is heterosexual or that opposite-sex attractions and relationships are the only norm[2] and therefore superior.

        —–

        Researcher, author, and psychology professor Gregory M. Herek states that “[Heterosexism] operates through a dual process of invisibility and attack. Homosexuality usually remains culturally invisible; when people who engage in homosexual behavior or who are identified as homosexual become visible, they are subject to attack by society.”[12] Furthermore, in interviews with perpetrators of anti-gay violence, forensic psychologist Karen Franklin points out that “heterosexism is not just a personal value system, [rather] it is a tool in the maintenance of gender dichotomy.”[13] She continues by saying that “assaults on homosexuals and other individuals who deviate from sex role norms are viewed as a learned form of social control of deviance rather than a defensive response to personal threat.”[13]

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 4. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 16, 2010 at 9:36 am

        From Wikipedia,

        Heterosexism is a term that applies to a system of negative attitudes, bias, and discrimination in favor of opposite-sex sexuality and relationships. It can include the presumption that everyone is heterosexual or that opposite-sex attractions and relationships are the only norm and therefore superior. Although heterosexism is defined in the online editions of the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language and the Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary as anti-gay discrimination and/or prejudice “by heterosexual people” and “by heterosexuals”, people of any sexual orientation can hold such attitudes and bias. Nonetheless, heterosexism as discrimination ranks gay men, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender people as second-class citizens with regard to various legal and civil rights, economic opportunities, and social equality in the majority of the world’s jurisdictions and societies.

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  • 5. Sagesse  |  July 16, 2010 at 9:18 am

    The majority of the people of NH have no desire to re-open the question of marriage equality. That was the response to their town hall process.

    And, trying to be objective, how much good does it do them to say 75-100 people came out in support of their message? Doesn’t feel like some massive wave sweeping aside… whatever?

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  • 6. Kathleen  |  July 16, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Subscribe

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    • 7. JonT  |  July 16, 2010 at 2:43 pm

      (Pretplata)

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  • 8. rf  |  July 16, 2010 at 9:44 am

    to be fair, the nashua telegraph was all over that excrement lady and even had a reporter staking her out and investigating the lies she told. throw together a sheet of talking points based on what nom is doing at these rallies, find the reporters at the protest and shove it in their hands and then email it to them and everyone else at the papers.

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  • 9. Alan E.  |  July 16, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Can we make it so we automatically subscribe to comments too? I hate having to come in and put in these fakes posts every time.

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  • 10. toth  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:00 am

    “News flash! Heterosexuality is normal in our species! Last I checked, we were mammals!”

    Clearly not a doctorate having to do with biology.

    Also, my head just about exploded when she whined about the poor homophobes in the locker room. “It’s none of [the government’s] business!”

    Her hypocrisy-inhibitor chip must be on the fritz.

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    • 11. avidreader  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:20 am

      Thomas Simmons posted a great break-down of Dr. Ruth’s “credentials” and other tidbits from the speech on Blue Hampshire.

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  • 12. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Jennifer Throwback Morse is a former professor of economics, according to Wikipedia. Her institute’s “mission is to “make marriage cool” by re-introducing to society the idea of lifelong, committed marriage.”

    Well, it worked. My marriage is definitely “cool”….

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    • 13. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:12 am

      @PamC
      You mean your marriage to a man that you told us about in some other post today/yesterday? :)

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    • 14. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:19 am

      lol, hell, no! :)

      Actually, I was so young and ignorant, I thought I was being a good Christian wife by staying with an abusive husband & praying he would change. It was no picnic, I assure you.

      When I left him, thanks to a wonderful therapist, I finally confessed to her that I was attracted to women. Her response? “Well, have you dated any women yet?”

      I still smile at this; she was so matter-of-fact & encouraging.

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      • 15. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:29 am

        @PamC
        Oh, so “cool” here means “great”? OK.
        I know how it is in families like that: my mother is just like you — staying with her drunk abusive husband and hoping he will change… till this very day… and I live with them.
        I’m glad you found support and help you needed! I believe you commented somewhere about 20 years of happy life since than: well, my sincere congratulations!

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      • 16. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:48 am

        Thanks, ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ !! Yeah, at least in my day, “cool” was slang for “super-neat”– it’s still in use, but it’s a little dated, especially the way what’s-her-name uses it. Makes me think of West Side Story and the “Stay cool, man” song.

        Sorry to hear about your mom–and you. One part of my getting healthier was to volunteer at a shelter for abused women, and I heard all kinds of stories like that, and like mine. Opened my heart, especially to those who were abused in the name of religion, or (like me) submitted to abuse in the name of religion.

        I will be overjoyed when you are able to escape both the public and private crap you are enduring–you are one brave man! And I admire you. (But you have many fans here, I know!)

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    • 17. Straight Grandmother  |  July 16, 2010 at 11:00 am

      PamC- Well, it worked. My marriage is definitely “cool”….

      My reply – LOL

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      • 18. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 11:13 am

        :) Thanks, SG.

        For myself, and the many others who have experienced both a marriage which was one in name only; which was, in fact, a travesty of a marriage–AND a marriage in truth, committed, kind, compassionate & passionate, NOM’s rantings are so clearly lies upon lies.

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  • 19. Richard W. Fitch  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Yes, another check-box for those of us who want to just subscribe for now would be great!!

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  • 20. eDee  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:25 am

    OMGosh!!! I can’t believe I read this “NOM only hates the sin, not the sinner.”

    Not more than 2 minutes ago I was chatting with a friend online and posted this:

    “” ….. that’s what happens after years and years and years of brain washing.
    It’s the whole – God hates the sin, not the sinner, so we should hate the sin, hey look there’s the sinner, go beat the sin out of him – thing……. “”

    **The youth rallies I went to as a teenager taught me that God loves everyone but God teaches us to hate the sin as he does. Well if you assume that someone is living in sin and you hate the sin then you hate the person because they are that sin.

    **Here’s the thing, it doesn’t matter if you believe that “Gay” is a sin or not. What matters is that we are not living in the United States of Christianity, we live in the US of A and as such everyone is supposed to be created equal and have the same rights, liberties and pursue happiness anyway they please as long as it doesn’t trample the rights of everyone else.

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    • 21. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:28 am

      Great response! I was taught the same thing, but what a contradiction this is! When the “sin” is the person’s LIFE–how are you NOT hating the person???

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    • 22. Rightthingtodo TX  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:33 am

      check me here Kathleen, others

      but didn’t both ginsburg and o’connor write exactly what eDee is saying. there is no un-commingling of the two.

      btw, i love OMGosh

      another btw…can we start putting “dr” in quotes when referring to morses of the world or “bishop” when referring to the harry jackson’s of the world

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      • 23. JonT  |  July 16, 2010 at 2:46 pm

        another btw…can we start putting “dr” in quotes when referring to morses of the world or “bishop” when referring to the harry jackson’s of the world

        heh, why not? No reason the “scare quotes” can’t work both ways :)

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    • 24. Bob  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:58 am

      my question to them has been and still is, How do you Hate?/

      can they please teach me how to hate so I can get it right, how do you hate sin?

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    • 25. Straight Grandmother  |  July 16, 2010 at 11:03 am

      eDee, ” What matters is that we are not living in the United States of Christianity”

      Now THAT is a GREAT line eDee.

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  • 26. Chris  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:39 am

    I really like rf’s idea above.

    Make a bulleted list of NOM’s main points at these rallies, then put together a factual point-by-point refutation. Distribute that refutation to the aforementioned mainstream media. The crazies won’t read it, but I don’t think the crazies are the majority. I think a lot of people would be disgusted by NOM’s horror show if they could only see past it.

    Fact of the matter: insisting on equality only goes so far. We’ve seen that when it comes to rhetoric vs. rhetoric, they’ve got the fire and brimstone. Nothing shuts off critical thinking faster than “they want to destroy your family”.

    Point out in a reasonable and readable way why most of what comes out of NOM’s collective, er, mouth is complete lunacy. That’s what destroyed the anti-marriage folks in the Prop 8 trial – it could work again here.

    Do this enough and NOM may start wishing they hadn’t been so eager to “counteract the mainstream media news blackout”…

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    • 27. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:58 am

      Yes, they’ve got the fire & brimstone AND the anti-government irrationality: “hostile takeover of civil society by the state.”

      The only reason we have a civil society is because we have some remnants of good government.

      I’d like the talking-points list to have two headings:

      When NOM says this: What they really mean is this:

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  • 28. Doug Bearden  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:49 am

    It’s none of your business, b*tch!!!

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    • 29. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 16, 2010 at 10:55 am

      HUH?

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      • 30. Doug Bearden  |  July 16, 2010 at 11:51 am

        The “guys in the shower” reference! Listen to the audio you’ll understand.

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      • 31. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 11:53 am

        Or read my transcript in comment #2 (this one won’t change it’s number, I promise!). :)

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    • 32. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 16, 2010 at 11:53 am

      Ah…can’t do that at work so was clueless :-)

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  • 33. Owen  |  July 16, 2010 at 11:49 am

    MSM blackout – that’s HILARIOUS. Why, I seem to recall a Washington Post article about NOM/Brian Brown that painted them as perfectly innocent, well-intentioned people, in contrast with the hateful venom-spitters with whom (as well all know) NOM really have a lot in common.

    I guess I just imagined that article!

    Oh, wait, that article does exist. Strange. It’s almost like Brian Brown…lied. He would never do that, right?

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  • 34. Ronnie  |  July 16, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    I’m contemplating playing the numbers 33 & 23 in the lottery…not sure yet….<3…Ronnie

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  • 35. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Just saw this at Joe.My.God.– they can’t even find enough supporters to pose for photos! (of course, that would expose them to the vindictive gays)

    http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2010/07/because-why-should-nom-be-the-only-one-causing-motorists-to-say-holy-crapb-what-the-hell-is-that-tacky-thing.html#more

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    • 36. Kathleen  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:07 pm

      This is priceless!!

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    • 37. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:34 pm

      Well, well, well…
      I bet those people don’t even know they are now supporting anti-gay cause…
      I knew they were using same pictures over and over again on different sites, but this…

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    • 38. PamC  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:39 pm

      I also noticed that they have a “whites only” side of the bus, and “minorities only” on the other side. Just sayin’…

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  • 39. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 16, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Oh my God that’s funny!!!
    I actually ahve photos on istock….think I’ll go remove those for fear I could end up on a NOM ad or bus LOL
    Lordy!!!

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  • 40. Cat  |  July 16, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    I am so in awe of the people following NOM and doing their best to counter-act their H8. I just get a pit in my stomach, vomit, and am rendered helpless when I read, hear or see their ridiculous but damaging and so hurtful propoganda.

    Thank you NOM trackers for having such determination!

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  • 41. Paul Rattay  |  July 16, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Nom sounds desparate to drive this topic through fear. Mentioning locker room scenes. Give ME a break. What does that have to do with marriage and marriage equality?

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  • 42. Kim Brown in El Mirage, AZ  |  July 16, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    As an ’87 UNH grad, this sure makes me feel proud.

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  • […] (102 to 76 by our hand-count). Then the New Hampshire counter-rally organizers held a brilliant “silent witness” event across the street from the Manchester event on […]

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  • 44. Chris B  |  July 17, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Perhaps some snarky gay-marriage supporters should bring some signs to these events to bring media attention to the silliness of “saving’ marriage. Signs like: “Biblical marriage: King David had 8 wives; Solomon: 700”, and “Save traditional marriage: ban divorce!”

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  • 45. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    I think it would be hilarious to have a Mock Tea-Party Mob descend on NOM and enact total chaos!!!

    NOM won’t know what hit them! And the best part is…they won’t know to blame ‘Teh Gayz’!

    Felyx :P

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  • 46. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    I guess even a ‘hand gesture’ on the freeway is cause for brian brown to blame us. Don’t give them fuel for their fire.

    http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2010/07/nom-continues-to-play-the-victim-road-rage-edition.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GoodAsYou+%28Good+As+You%29

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  • 47. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    BTW Here is the back story of the Summer of Marriage Tour.

    It is a long read but it is a good one. If nothing else, it proves that this NOM bus tour is about as well put together as the P8 Defense team’s case…it is a shamble waiting to fall to pieces!!!

    This tour is such an unorganized ‘FAIL waiting to happen’ that we would be remiss to not take advantage of their stupidity!!

    Felyx

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  • 48. Jess  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Sheesh, forget about utterly failing at biology (for the record, homosexuality has been observed in many “mammals” such as dolphins, horses, and koalas to name a few, seriously, that comment made no bloody sense) How about utterly failing at history!?!

    “Marriage is a natural, pre-political institution; same-sex marriage is entirely a creation of the state,” Roback said. “Same-sex marriage is a hostile takeover of civil society by the state.”

    um, no. Marriage is a SOCIAL, PRE-RELIGIOUS institution. Marriage was first, and always has been, a social-political contract, even in Christian societies. In fact, marriage wasn’t considered “sacred” to The Church until at least the fifteenth century, otherwise the point of getting married was for sharing property purposes or social-political alliances. Hell, love didn’t even factor in until recent times.
    On another note, NEVER in the history of American law was procreation a requisite of marriage, so the whole “gay people can’t get married because they can’t have kids” argument is utterly irrelevant.

    Anyone who does a ten minute wikipedia search can prove this lady is talking out of her ass. When will NOM just give up and admit they’re only against gay rights because they just hate gay people? Geez, at least be honest!

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    • 49. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:46 am

      @Jess
      You know, these facts are what we need to write on our placards like talking points and show them to everyone when Brown or Roback talk about them.  I always thought that this is the best way to go — making sure their audience sees those facts right away.  Surely, we know these things, but the people who go to NOM’s rallies don’t.  And they won’t waste their precious time to look it up on Wikipedia… they will simply believe NOM because NOM is talking favorably about God all the time (and we’re supposed to believe they have nothing to do with religious right? yeah, right!).  Miscommunication and lack of information are major problems here.  We have got to do something about it.

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      • 50. Jess  |  July 18, 2010 at 4:38 am

        Thing is, they’re not very eager to argue their points. They just like rattling off their half-truths and twisted facts and then leave before anyone contradicts them. I wish there was a way we could force them to have to defend themselves. My brother was talking about getting them into a congressional hearing, but I wouldn’t know the first thing about getting into that.

        But if there is any way we can debate civilly with NOM asking them to clarify their reasons for opposing legal recognition of gay marriage and other gay rights and to back up their so-called facts, it can be easily shown that all they want to do is just give gay people a hard time. Even if we don’t convince them that they have no case against gay rights, we’ll prove to others that they don’t and that’s probably even more important. Personally I think this whole “gay is abnormal and thus bad” is gonna really blow up in their faces, considering that’s the SAME argument used by people like Hitler and Mao, and used against left-handed people and redheads. True story, lefties used to be seriously discriminated against JUST because their were more righties. This isn’t a new argument. And then try and apply their argument to other situations, like, against mentally and physically disabled. So yeah, not just gay people should be pissed off by this new argument of theirs, considering they are saying being different is bad and should be discouraged. I can’t wait for somebody big to jump all over that.

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    • 51. Alan E.  |  July 19, 2010 at 9:14 am

      Jess, the count of species in nature that have exhibited homosexual tendencies and relationships is up to almost 500.

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  • 52. Sagesse  |  July 18, 2010 at 7:13 am

    Jess, in my view they are actually regressing. Until very recently it had become, literally, politically incorrect to verbally attack the ‘homosexual agenda’ and the actual people behind it (hate the sin, not the sinner). Maggie had consistently said “we (speaking for the immediate world) draw a ‘bright line’ around marriage”. It’s the last contest where public opinion is still on their side. There is majority public support for DADT repeal and ENDA… just legislators in the way who think they have to pander to their base, or at least don’t want to antagonize them.

    The tide is moving against them, and they’re desperate, so it’s open season the sinners again. Not protect the children from knowing that gay marriage is ok… but keep the children away from ‘those awful people’. They’ve probably always been saying it in gatherings like this, but out of the public eye. Their public messaging was always very consistent. In fact, I think that’s why Maggie was sidelined and Marinelli is in… because she wasn’t aggressive enough for the Brown and Marinelli crowd.

    All to say, letting them speak will do them more damage, and our side more good, than confronting them on their turf at this stage of the debate. The quiet protests are perfect. They pollute their news coverage.
    Deliver your message clean, on your own terms; it will only be drowned in a shouting match.

    It may take a while, but there are 23 stops, and someone is going to figure out that whoever the mythical gays are who are slashing their tires or giving them the finger, those people aren’t demonstrating at their rallies.

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    • 53. JonT  |  July 18, 2010 at 2:15 pm

      @SSagesse: Their public messaging was always very consistent. In fact, I think that’s why Maggie was sidelined and Marinelli is in… because she wasn’t aggressive enough for the Brown and Marinelli crowd.

      All to say, letting them speak will do them more damage, and our side more good, than confronting them on their turf at this stage of the debate.

      Yes! I fully agree with this – I believe maggie was sidelined because the hate didn’t show through enough.

      Their own hate will hang them – I really believe this.

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      • 54. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 18, 2010 at 2:34 pm

        There is more going on behind the scenes for sure. NOM was run by the Mormons up until just recently. Without Mormon money and their ‘rules of engagement’ to fetter NOM it seems the gNOMes have decided to revert back into trolls.

        I suspect Maggie stepped down from the presidency so she could slowly and quietly distance herself from an organization poised to tank. She stays on the BOD for the time being, I suspect, for status (and pay?) until she can find a better gig. Better to not spoil her reputations with Mary-Nelly and her off the deep end radicalism.

        Like I said before, this tour is a departure from NOM normal modus-operandi. It is so un-well-planned and seems to be getting little real attention. Since the Mormon profit is not telling the faithful to attend, few real people seem interested.

        My two shekels.

        Felyx

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  • 55. Lori  |  July 18, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Hold on.
    “Heterosexuality is normal in our species” because we’re MAMMALS?
    What the fob? Has this “doctor” ever heard of, say, bonobos? Or dolphins? Or giraffes? Or bighorn sheep?

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    • 56. JonT  |  July 18, 2010 at 2:15 pm

      @Lori,

      Facts? Come on, you know they don’t deal in actual facts.

      :)

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  • 57. 2ho2bstr8  |  July 18, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    I don’t understand these people – (or the people who believe them.) They say they want less government intrusion in our lives – apparently that doesn’t apply to Gays and Lesbians – our lives are worth less than theirs.
    They rail against homosexuality using the Old Testament – forgetting completely that Christianity is supposed to be about the New Testament. Anything to insert fear and hate.
    We must be diligent – because FEAR makes people do stupid things (like elect GW a second time.)
    God Bless the USA

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