Charleston, WV: Brian is replaced by Maggie, but #NOMTurnoutFAIL stays

August 11, 2010 at 9:58 am 160 comments

By Arisha Michelle Hatch

Just eighteen NOM supporters stood to the side of the Capitol steps in the shade until Maggie Gallagher and the NOM staffers decided to bring the rally to them.

NOM supporters in Charleston

You read it right, Maggie is back. No sight of Brian.

“They talk about it being a living and breathing document,” said Tim Armstead, House Minority Leader, who also spoke. “They’re trying to destroy the Constitution that we hold very dear….Unfortunately, we haven’t been able to convince the governor and the legislature to let the people vote on the issue.”

“You can’t have a right that comes from nowhere” said State Senator Mike Hall. “This is not just a bunch of Christians trying to superimpose their views onto you. This is about the public good.”

“West Virginia is very much a live and let live state,” said David Marcum, a resident of Huntington, commenting on NOM’s low rally turnout. “If the issue were coal, or something ….let’s just say that there would be a lot more people here.”

Equality activists are not counter-protesting this event and have instead opted to hold a family gathering two blocks away. Phyllis is there now, taking pictures and gathering stories.

UPDATE BY ADAM (10:03 PST): Some photos in from Phyllis at the pro-equality event:

PFLAG in Charleston

Rose Edington and Mel Hoover, ministers speaking at Charleston rally
Rose Edington and Mel Hoover, two local Unitarian ministers speaking in favor of equality

State Senator Jeff Kessler
State Senator and 2012 gubernatorial candidate Jeff Kessler

UPDATE BY ARISHA (10:05 PST): Maggie came to the tour ready to go.

“Biology itself has been overcome by Judge Walker’s fantasy ruling. Are we going to stand by and let one judge from San Francisco radically change our society?” Gallagher challenged the audience.

“It’s a very bad idea to be a Republican for gay marriage,” continued Gallagher after pointing out that Carly Fiorina beat Tom Campbell, a pro-marriage Republican candidate for Senate in California.

“This is a Judge [Walker] that was biased from the very beginning” Gallagher said.  “He put 7 million Californians on trial. […] It reads like an activist brief.”

UPDATE BY ADAM (11:37 PST): Via NOM’s blog, here’s Jeremy Dys of the Family Policy Council of West Virginia:

“Is there any democratic process any longer? This ‘judicial fiat’ from California seems to indicate ‘no’… Marriage is a major factor in electing officials. Pro-marriage candidate victories have recently been seen with the elections of Bob [McDonnell] (ed. note- NOM’s post says “Bob Cornell”, I assume they, oops, meant the Governor of Virginia) and Chris Christie. You saw it once again Scott Brown in Massachusetts.

In the first place, to claim McDonnell, Christie and Brown were elected because of their positions on marriage equality is absurd. In the Virginia gubernatorial race alone, a simple YouTube search will tell you that Creigh Deeds says he believes marriage is between a man and a woman and also voted to put the issue to the voters of Virginia. And you’d be hard-pressed to find any serious political observer who believes he, or Christie and Brown, won their races on this issue before issues like jobs, the economy, health care, taxes, personal appeal, poor base turnout, and more.

In the second, on the “democratic process” comment, I am continually bemused that anti-equality figures believe the Framers intended the judicial system to be nothing other than a rubber stamp for whatever “the people” or their elected officials decide- and if they have, you know, a different interpretation, it’s automatically “judicial activism”. Read a history book, people. Or Brian Devine’s post on the history of judicial review. Or watch fellow conservative Ted Olson. Something.

UPDATE BY ADAM (12:21 PST): Phyllis just radioed in with a hand-count of 146 equality supporters at the separate event. Nice.

UPDATE BY ADAM (1:34 PST): A number of videos are uploading now that we’ll be highlighting later on.

Entry filed under: NOM Tour Tracker, Right-wing.

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160 Comments Add your own

  • 1. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Some scribing

    • 2. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:01 am

      Almost heaven, West Virginia . . .

      • 3. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:27 pm

        Anne S. Same EXACT thought I was thinking…

    • 4. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:03 am

      looking for my crayons.

  • 6. adambink  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:06 am

    A bunch of updates posted above, everyone.

  • 7. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Okay, so Mags is back. Guess Brian didn’t like what happened in Raleigh. Of course, I am somewhat disappointed in my birth state, and my hometown area.

  • 14. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Maggie is back! Hooray!

    I guess Brian’s huge successes in Atlanta and Orlando have made her eager to get back out there and do her bit.

    You know, there really aught to be some sort of internet slang for “I am laughing so hard that my spell checker is having a siezure trying to correct all the typos I make while my fingers are slipping.” IALSHTMSCIHASTTCATTIMWMFAS just doesn’t have a catchy ring to it, and LOL isn’t quite pointed enough.

    • 15. AndrewPDX  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:15 am

      would ROFLMAO work?


      • 16. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:17 am

        It’s not BAD… but I bet we could do better. :)

      • 17. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:49 am

        Can’t wait for the next installment of “On the Bus” to explain why Maggie’s back.

      • 18. AndrewPDX  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:50 am

        LSHICT? Laughing So Hard I Can’t Type? Plus, you can pretend the ‘C’ is silent and pronounce it “El Shit” :)


      • 19. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:24 am

        LSHICT is a WINNER! And right now AM doing so!

      • 20. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:29 am

        @ Kathleen

        I can’t wait either! I hope it is good!

        (Remember, we last saw her discovering 3 way gay porn… so there is a SLIGHT chance something funny might come out of it… )

      • 21. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:53 pm

        LOVE IT! Another one that went out of the park! LSHICT! And now, you folks have me LSHIATWMP!

      • 22. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:33 pm

        @ Anonygrl I am betting the next chapter has some kind of a shoe fetish in it? Could be wrong but that is my guess.

    • 23. Marlene  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:44 am

      How about ROTFLMTAO?

    • 24. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:39 pm

      I peronally like ROTFLMFGJAO. I will explain that one in private emails and PM’s on FB.

      • 25. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:15 pm

        I think i get all of it but the j. Can you tell me what that is?

      • 26. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:16 pm


      • 27. rainbowneck1963  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:29 pm

        Yes, Jewish. And the f has to do with the fact that I have what could politely be called an apple bottom.

  • 28. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Could someone who can SEE the pics give those of us at work and can’t a heads up on the size of the counter protest crowd, pretty please with sugar on top?

    • 29. DazedWheels  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:18 am

      I’d say there were between 40 and 50 at the Fairness WV rally, but I’m not that good at estimating. I took pictures and one video, but can’t post them ’til I get home.

    • 30. adambink  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:26 am

      Waiting for Phyllis to come back with a count.

  • 31. AndrewPDX  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Ugh… Maggie, when will you realize that marriage is a fundamental right, and fundamental rights are not subject to popular vote?

    Or, do you really want us to vote on your right to speak?

    Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité

    • 32. rf  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:12 pm

      Maggie Srivastav does believe that marriage is a fundamental right….for humans.

      • 33. rainbowneck1963  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:28 pm

        And that is the worst part, the part that proves her bigotry. By denying that we are human, she is therefore proving that she does not love us and never has. but then, I guess if one is to follow the teachings of Rabbi Yoshua ben Yosef of Nazareth wrt loving thy neighbor as thyself, you cannot love you neighbor if you don’t love yourself, so I guess that explains why Maggie doesn’t love us. She cannot share with us what she does not have for herself.

    • 34. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:34 pm

      Right Andrew, right…

  • 35. Ronnie  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:12 am

    18 NOMbies…FAIL….is there a number for those attending the picnic?……<3…Ronnie

    • 36. Jen-Bunny  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:26 pm

      NOMbies….OMG I LOVE THAT!!!!! now I am LSHICT!

      “NOMbie attack!”

      • 37. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:50 pm


        The difficulty is that NOMbies show a discouraging LACK of braaaiiins… and they are generally somewhat… advanced in years, shall we say? Making it difficult for them to CATCH anybody else.

        Poor, starving NOMbies…. won’t someone please help save the NOMbies?

  • 38. Ronnie  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:18 am

    “”He put 7 million Californians on trial”

    Wow…she is an ignorant fraking liar…Maggie “Shoe Flinger” Gallagher you attended the trial (with your shoes off in the court room…so STFU you disrespectful detritus) & you KNOW that it wasn’t the Judge who put this on trial. It was assigned to him you uneducated, Fascist idiot….. > I ….Ronnie

    • 39. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:44 pm

      @Straight Ally #3008 I never heard fo this guy before. But I am going to look him up when I am not busy on the farm or on P8TT. I really enjoyed the video.

      • 40. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:54 pm

        SG, This one’s great. It was a segment on John Stewart’s Daily Show, but Viacom seems to be pulling some of the clips with just the Black segment. Here’s a bit from Keith Olbermann. After his intro, he shows the full segment with Lewis Black.

  • 41. Straight Ally #3008  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Ladies and Gentlemen, Lewis Black on same-sex marriage. This was in 2006, but the arguments are the same.


    • 42. Johan de Vries  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:24 am

      You Sir / Ma’am, you own me a new keyboard. I laughed half a beverage over this one… ;)

    • 43. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:07 pm

      My introduction to Lewis Black was BZ’s 2-CD set of his Carnegie hall show. When I heard him say “If you don’t believe in same-sex marriage, just don’t marry someone of the same sex,” I was in my car and had to pull off to the side of the road until I could stop cheering and laughing. I love this guy.

      • 44. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:10 pm

        One of my favorite recent Lewis Black pieces was his rant on Glenn Beck.

      • 45. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:13 pm

        Nazi Tourettes. CLASSIC piece!!!

  • 46. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:47 am

    “West Virginia is very much a live and let live state,” said David Marcum, a resident of Huntington, commenting on NOM’s low rally turnout.

    Reason Number (I’ve lost track- is this #8?) for low turnout:
    8.? There aren’t enough people here who want to vote away peoples’ rights.

    This is my favorite so far.

    • 47. DazedWheels  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:18 am

      Hi Kathleen, I just emailed you my best pictures from today. :-) Hugs!

      • 48. DazedWheels  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:19 am

        Oops, too many attachments. :-( Rejected by your email server. I’ll split them up, and try again later.

      • 49. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:25 am

        If you want them posted here, maybe send them to Eden. eden AT couragecampaign DOT org

      • 50. DazedWheels  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:32 am

        Great idea! Done. :-)

    • 51. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:08 pm

      And how about Reason #9:
      If this had been about coal, it would have affected more people here.

      • 52. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:15 pm

        I like, #9. We’re not talking about coal.

        I’m suspecting that’s an excuse they’re not going to be able to recycle very often.

      • 53. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:22 pm

        Or we could go with the reason expressed in one of be4marriage’s tweets:

        “Millions of people support our message. It’s just that we are hand selecting our rally attendees and most don’t make the cut”

    • 54. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:48 pm

      Kathleen, I seriously hope you are keeping track of these excuses. I am sure at the end of the #FAIL NOM Courage Campaign is going to put out a full length video and one section of the video is probably going to be why no one turned out. They are going to come to you as a Ready Reference (If anyone knows what a Ready Reference is they are over age 40) so you better be prepared and not fail them.

      • 55. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:56 pm

        Unfortunately, I haven’t written them anywhere except comments in the posts. I don’t know how to find them.

      • 56. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:56 pm

        That would include me. I am over 40 (47 this March) and I still remember going to the Ready Reference.

      • 57. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:04 pm

        @Kathleen, okay I understand do you want to try re-creating them now?
        I remember
        #1-It’s Hot
        #2-Our Supporters actually have jobs (this one particularly p*ssed me off)

        Come on, other people msut have a better memory than me, after all the bar is not set that high there.

  • 58. Lee  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Is there a head-count for who showed yet?

    • 59. Lee  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:00 am

      Nevermind. I read instead of looking for numbers. XD

  • 60. kate  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Does anyone have any word on when the announcement on the Stay is going to be announced? Wasn’t that supposed to happen like yesterday or something? I’m getting antsy over here in Iowa. :)

    • 61. Jason Zenobia  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:58 am

      You and I posted the same thing at the same time.


  • 62. Jason Zenobia  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Anyone hear anything about Walker’s stay?

    A ruling should be out any minute, but I can’t find information anywhere.

    • 63. Rebecca  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:08 am

      I would sure expect it to be put up here as fast as possible. I’m not sure what site will break the news first though. I’ll be watching!

  • 65. Keith  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:14 am

    It’s so fitting that the NOM rallys are becoming comical. MLK would be ashamed of his niece who is trying to impede on people’s rights. I guess she learned nothing from him. If he were here, he would be marching for pro equality.

    • 66. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:50 pm

      Or… he would be marching to end Discrimination.

  • 67. Sagesse  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Once more with feeling… subscribing.

    • 68. AndrewPDX  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:39 am

      Kentucky Fried Movie FTW!


      • 69. Straight Ally #3008  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:03 pm

        This is not a chawade!

  • 70. bb  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Just got off the phone with my local County Recorder’s Office (San Diego, CA). They are ready and poise for issuing marriage licences, once the stay has been denied.

    Seems there is a lot of excitment in the County Recorder’s offices all over the state. I can’t say the same for Imperial and Kern County. LOL

    • 71. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:38 am

      Oh, I suspect there’s a lot of excitement in those two counties, too. And if the stay is denied, I’ll probably be able to hear the heads exploding all the way here in L.A.

      • 72. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:39 am

        I sure hope the ruling comes today. The suspense is killing me!

      • 73. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:40 am

        I expect it to register as a magnitude 5.2–enough to notice it nearby, but will do minor damage, and only at the epicenter.

      • 74. Jen-Bunny  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:28 pm

        I’m interested to see how my county (El Dorado County) takes it. I should give the Recorder-Clerks Office a call…I unfortunately live in an extremely conservative, redneck county…..we had picketers at the local movie theater when “Brokeback Mountain” came to town. This week should be interesting!!

    • 75. bb  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:50 am

      Kathleen, you’re probably right, but I’d say it would be the same size magniture, 7.2, that hit Imperial County on Easter.

      WOW, that was a hum-dinger! We were all rocking and rolling on that day :-)

      I figure it’ll be the same hum-dinger, with probably the same magnitude…well, here’s hoping…….

    • 76. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:24 pm

      And please, folks. Remember to email eden with your wedding pictures.

    • 77. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:51 pm

      Kern County??? OMG I had thought at one time of perhaps starting a second olive farm there. Thanks for the heads up.

  • 78. Frank  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:39 am

    From plaintiffs’ request to deny a stay, filed last friday.

    ‘If the court is inclined to stay its judgment long enough to permit Proponents’ to seek relief from the
    court of appeals, Plaintiffs respectfully request that any such stay not exceed seven (7) days.’

  • 79. David  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:45 am

    I’m really sick and tired of hearing about “the will of 7 million people” being “overturned”.

    According to the Public Policy Institute of California, there were 23.4 million eligible voters in May 2009. Of those, only 17.2 million cared to register. Of THOSE, only 7 million voted with the haters.

    • 80. Bob Miller  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:12 pm

      David, I have been thinking the same thing and am getting very tired of this line of reasoning. Idid a little research yesterday using data from the source you cite and came up with this:

      Of the 17 m. registered voters only 41.25 voted
      Of the registered voters only 52.2% voted yes on Prop 8
      58.8% of registered voters or 10 m. people had no opinion or voted no on Prop 8
      Of the 22.9 m. eligible to vote – 58.5 % voted
      69.4 % of eligible voters or 15.9 m. people had no opinion or voted no on Prop 8
      30.6% of eligible voters or 7.0 m. people voted for Prop 8
      If there is such a ground swell for Prop 8, only 30.6% of those eligible to vote chose to voice their opinion.

      • 81. Bob Miller  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:13 pm

        Opps, forgot a % sign, should be:

        Of the 17 m. registered voters only 41.25% voted

      • 82. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:56 pm

        Bob Miller, that there is a very interesting statistic that I was not aware of-
        69.4 % of eligible voters or 15.9 m. people had no opinion or voted no on Prop 8

        That right there is the Movable Middle.

  • 83. Keith  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:53 am

    When’s Judge Walker’s ruling going to be released :( He’s taking forever.

  • 84. Wren  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Ok, this is off topic for this post, but has anyone out there heard anything about when Judge Walker’s decision on the stay will be issued? I can’t stand the wait much longer!!!!!

    • 85. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:00 pm

      LOL. That is not so off topic… it has become what we are all talking about.

      As Inigo Montoya once said, “I hate to wait.”

      • 86. Felyx  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:27 pm

        I am starting to dread the call on the R.O.U.S.’s – NOM! NOM! NOM! – Felyx

      • 87. Josiah  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:58 pm I don’t think they exist.

  • 88. bb  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Even though I really hate to wait, I’d be more inclined to wait for a well supported denial, than for Judge Walker to deny the stay, only to be issued by the Appeals Court.

    I hate to say it, but some things are worth waiting…. and besides, we waited 22 months already… a day or two more isn’t much to ask.

    *(crouching low, shield in hand… waiting for sharp projectiles flying my way)*

    • 89. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:05 pm

      No projectiles here, but I do have a prediction (very dangerous things, those). Mind, this is pure speculation.

      Judge Walker will rule to lift the stay, but before the lifting can go into effect the proponents will appeal the ruling to the 9th Circuit, which will leave the stay in place until it can rule on the standing issue.

      Any bets?

      • 90. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:30 pm

        With Republicans strangely silent as a group on this issue, and only batsh*t crazy coming out of the opponents’ camp, I wonder, I do, if maybe the 9th Circuit might take a hunker down and see what happens approach to this? There seems to be a ground swell towards reason building, so I am going to bet (read that as “hope hope hope”) for the stay to be removed, and some “wait and see if the sky falls on us” during the appeal process.

      • 91. Wren  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:32 pm

        This is what I predict as well. My speculation now is not whether Olson and Boies know of this wrinkle in the law of standing/appeals in regards to the intervenors, but what there true thoughts are on it. They must have prepared for the possibility that the state of CA might bow out after a district court victory. I’d give anything to be a fly on the wall of their offices.

      • 92. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:00 pm

        I bet he issues it like at 4:45 pm on Friday so as many people as possible will be able to get married (I predict the court houses will stay open over the week-end to accomodate) before the appeal to the stay can be filed by the Appeals Court. I think we have a very smart Judge in Judge Walker.

      • 93. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:32 pm

        How FABULOUS will the party in Washington be on Sunday if THAT were the case? :)

  • 94. AndrewPDX  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    @Jeremy Dys et al,
    Repeat after me:
    I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands…

    The USA is do not a Democracy, but instead a Constitutional Republic.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

    • 95. bb  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:04 pm

      Yes Andrew, but finsh the pledge:

      ….. one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all (except if you’re Gay).

      Yup, it’s a Republic alright…. with Tyranny for all…

      (big eye roll)

      • 96. Steve  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:07 pm

        Of course that “under God” BS wasn’t added until the Red Scare of the 1950s.

      • 97. AndrewPDX  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:11 pm

        Yeah… We already know they don’t believe in “liberty and justice for all”… They only hear the “indivisible under God” part and think it means “we must untie under one definition of God”.


      • 98. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:43 pm

        And that is exactly what they are trying to force us to do–untie our wedding knots just so they can feel morally superior to us.

    • 99. AndrewPDX  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:05 pm

      Ugh… That should read “The USA is do not a Democracy…”
      getting ahead of myself here

  • 100. Steve  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    I wish Walker had elaborated a bit more on why having public votes about minority rights isn’t a good idea. It’s mentioned, but only briefly.

    Costa Rica actually gets that and didn’t even let it come to a referendum.

    • 101. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:08 pm

      @Steve, unfortunately California does not have a mechanism in place for judging the constitutionality of a ballot initiative until after the election. I know, it seems backwards, but the courts don’t think people will have the right incentives to argue their cases until something passes.

      The Costa Rican system of law is probably derived from Spain’s. Ours is derived from English law. That may account for the some of the difference?

      • 102. Thomas  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:30 pm

        And what about the fact that in the state of California CONSTITUTIONAL amendments by referendum can pass with a simply majority while the same law if passed in the state Congress would need a 2/3rds majority?

      • 103. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:37 pm

        @Thomas, yeah, I hate that. The whole system needs to be changed.

      • 104. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:47 pm

        And then after the 2/3 majority of congress, 3/4 of the states have to ratify it before it takes effect. And I believe that currently 3/4 means that 37 states would have to ratify it, and isn’t the ratification put up to a public vote?

      • 105. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:23 pm

        Anne S – Oh yeah Brian S Brown the biggest Bigot in American and his partner in crime Maggie Gallagher the Chief H8ter in America are going all in, as they say in poker. They say it in every speech now since the verdict and in their writiings. A United States Constituitional Amendment declaring marriage is only hetro marriage.

        I think this is what Maggie was referring to when she said they have a budget of 9 (10?) million this year to spend on influencing elections and she would not be surprised if it isn’t going to be more than that.

        In fact I would be surprised if Brian S Brown isn’t back working on that right now, drumming up contributions and organizing for a Federal Constituitional Amendment. He has said it at every speech since the verdict I fully believe he is ramping it up right now as we are chatting on P8TT.

        You gotta admit they have had successes. I bet right now they are going “All In” the only thing is will the Mormons contiue to give to the cause? They have been tarnished, will they stick their head out again and spend the money to go Federal? I have always believed it was the Mormon money that is most of the money.

      • 106. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:35 pm

        Rachael Maddow pointed out yesterday that the process of getting a constitutional amendment passed is one that takes 20 years or more.

        So I have VERY little concern about that… and she can go spend her 10 million on new shoes for all I care.

  • 107. DazedWheels  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Fairness WV is saying they had around 100 people today in Charleston – and I fully trust their count.
    Like I said earlier, I’m not too good at estimation. :-)

  • 108. Andrew_WA  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Alveda did not get her uncle’s genes concerning equality. She only is enjoying and basking in the light that came from him.

    The ONLY reason she was there is due to her connection to Dr. King. Sad, but true.

    If my 17 year relationship with my sweetheart causes issues with her relationship, she has serious problems that have nothing to do with me.

    Also – forcing me to accept Jesus is NOT appropriate in order to obtain my birthright as an American citizen.

    • 109. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:10 pm

      All true Andrew WV, all true what you wrote.

  • 110. adambink  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Hey everyone, after some reception problems, we finally got a hand-count of supporters posted above.

  • 111. Anna Bryan  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    I don’t know about everyone else, but I’m sort of tired of the #NOMturnoutFAIL’s. It’s getting kind of stale (I’m talking about the event itself, not the hashtag – which I love).

    If you are ever searching for an event coordinator for a nationwide tour, I would highly advise you to NOT hire whatever moron is running the NOMpalooza. They quite simply suck.

    • 112. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:38 pm

      Yes, very boring. But their general audience — 60-90 years old with nothing-better-to-do-than-hate-pray-away-the-gay it might be a little less than dull.

      Who am I kidding…those folks need oxygen to keep them awake during their speeches.

      • 113. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:50 pm

        And on the banks of the Kanawha River they also need LOTS of ice water to prevent heat stroke. At least that was a requirement there when I was growing up. It gets hot on the banks of the Kanawha River in August.

      • 114. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:24 pm

        Too funny LLB…

    • 115. adambink  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:51 pm

      Actually, that would make a very good question for whoever is running the show- why are these events so low-turnout? What kind of work do you do in building a crowd?

    • 116. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:59 pm

      I’m guessing this won’t be going on the planners’ resumes. They will likely account for the gap in employment by saying they were in jail, figuring that will look better to future employers than admitting they were associated with this fiasco.

      @adam for a while I was keeping a running tally of all the excuses NOM was offering for the low turnout — the heat, ‘their people’ work, etc. But it got boring when they started recycling past excuses.

    • 117. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:45 pm

      Oh, Anna, I don’t think anyone here is planning to hire Louis for any events we want coordinated. Well, maybe to go around picking up the trash off the lawns.

  • 118. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    CNN poll — 52% nationwide said that same-sex couples should have the constitutional right to marry; 46% say the Constitution should not convey that right.

    Buh-bye, Maggie, Louis, Brian and the rest of you NOMers. This 50-something straight woman says that you all are fast becoming dinosaurs.

    • 119. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:46 pm

      Here is a statistic I find even MORE encouraging from that article, and thanks for posting it Ann.

      “Nearly six in ten Americans under the age of 50 say gay rights are protected under the Constitution.”

      • 120. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:50 pm

        This is how we know it is only a matter of time.

      • 121. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:52 pm

        Knowing that I am non-religious, I hope you truly appreciate my response.

        AMEN sister!!!

    • 122. Anna Bryan  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:54 pm

      I’m more shocked by the 68% of Americans that think a private property owner shouldn’t be allowed to build a mosque (it’s actually a muslim community center) on his private property because it’s sort of close to the site of 9/11. (one of the questions in CNN’s poll)

      I fear our country has taken a devestating turn at some point in time…

      • 123. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:58 pm

        Uh, yeah, private property rights are the bomb ‘n that, and the government should stay out of people’s business, except if those people are Muslims or gays.

      • 124. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:04 pm

        John Stewart took this on in last night’s episode.

    • 125. bb  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:01 pm

      Thanks for posting this poll, Ann. I can happily say that of the “nearly 6 out of 10” under age 50, my daughter is one of the “6”. This is coming from a child, that was raised by two fathers, who’s just delievered her third grandchild, and doesn’t understand why this issue is so polarizing??? Sweet kid :-)

      It just goes to show that time is on our side. It’s a matter of when, not if…

      • 126. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:09 pm

        @bb, I can happily say that our nearly 16-yo daughter is among those, too. She’s being raised by me and her father, but she has known her two uncles (my brother and his husband) as her uncles all of her life and loves them both. Everyone in both families attended their wedding in 2008. Right now another niece is visiting them and staying at their house, and she’s one of the 6 out of 10, too.

        The times they are a-changin’.

      • 127. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:36 pm

        Oh you are a grandfather? How nice how special. Aren’t grandchildren just “The BEST” Please tell us more, how old are they, boys or girls? Do they live near you?

    • 128. Chris  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:02 pm

      This is why I really have to wonder why the anti-marriagers are screaming about “will of the people”.

      Don’t they realize they’re going to be starting to lose elections in the next few years? What will they say then?

      I also think it’s interesting that CNN chose a photo of an interracial couple. I’d like to think it’s a subtle reminder that this is not the first time the country has faced the question of who is allowed to marry who.

      And, hopefully, a reminder that this question will ultimately be resolved in the same way as the last one.

      • 129. Keith  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:07 pm

        They’re already losing elections. Their demographics is old people who are intolerant to equal rights…for some reason. Many of these old people lived through WWII and Hitler’s regime of oppression so their position is just plain disgusting.

    • 130. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:30 pm

      Anne S. I keep forgetting you are a straight Ally like me. Perhaps you would consider adding that into you Forum name. I like seeing all the Straight Allies here. There is Straight Ally #???. There are others, I jsut cna’t think of them all right now. No biggie but something to consider.

    • 131. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:35 pm

      @SG, I like to think of myself as a stealth ally. It’s useful to spring on people when they make unwarranted assumptions.

  • 132. CNN: Americans split evenly on gay marriage | hayosa  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    […] interesting article on the CNN site, that was posted in the comments of Prop 8 trial tracker. A new poll confirms what I have always thought so about Americans and the improvement of gay […]

  • 133. bb  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Is the rally in Charleston over? I haven’t seen anything new posted in a while.

    Is it me or was this one of the most uneventful stops NOM has done to date?

    NOM needs some new, fresh material. How many days can BS Brown and Maggs say the same stupid dribble, without sounding…. er, well, um, stupid?

    • 134. adambink  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:37 pm

      It was over some time ago… we have a lot of video we’ll be getting up in the near future.

      • 135. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:41 pm

        adam, one of the attendees sent photos to Eden’s by email. Don’t know if Eden is around today – maybe you can see if there is a way to include those too.

    • 136. Anna Bryan  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:45 pm

      Came and went with little fanfare.

    • 137. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:21 pm

      They are just suffering from what used to be called “broken record syndrome.” I am not sure what the new, computer-era name for it is. Truncated Hard Drive?

  • 138. DazedWheels  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    I posted my pictures to facebook, and facebook tells me I can share the album with anyone with this link:

    Let me know if it works or doesn’t work.


    • 139. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:44 pm

      Dazed, I enjoyed your pics. Woo-Hoo for everyone who turned out to end the Discrimination against GLBT people in the Great State of WEST VIRGINIA. You ALL deserve PROPS!!! You REPRESENTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Two comments on the pics, you wisely picked a real nice tree to be under and on the NOM pics that adolecent boy’ s shorts are like 10 sizes to big.

    • 140. rainbowneck1963  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:10 pm

      Saw the pics, and they are Great! It was nice seeing part of my old stomping grounds again. Hoping I can convince my hubby to go up to WV with me at some point in the near future. Hope to see you when we go.

  • 141. Keith  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    gallagher turns my stomach. She is a vile woman who obviously has nothing better to do with her life than preach hate and intolerance. Hey Gallagher, why don’t you come to California and try your shit here. I dare you.

  • 142. Alan E.  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Woo go Charleston!

  • 143. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Adam, I have tried to go to the new post with Arisha’s interivew with Mags and keep getting a 404 error.

  • 144. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    If you haven’t yet had your daily dose of tears, here’s a story from the Give A Damn Campaign’s website:

    • 145. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 3:59 pm

      Oh my F*ing God. I am jsut crying so hard. And most of the time when people on this board post that something brought them to tears it didn’t for me. Sometimes yes but mostly no. But this story OMG, it is tearing me apart. How could she? How could any MOTHER do that to her child? I don’t understand it, I don’t understand it, I dont’ understand it. How could a mother do that???????????????
      I don’t get it, I don’t get it at all.

      OMG that poor kid, I’m jsut crying so hard as I type this. Why? Why? Why? Honestly you would throw out your underage kid literally into the streets? For what? What were you thinking of woman? How Fucked up are you??? That you would do this. That you would reject your own child, flesh of your flesh, what? Because he is gay???? What is wrong with you?????????
      What kind of mother are you??????????????
      OMG OMG, I just want to take this boys head onto my breast and cradle his head and stroke his back.

      I can’t take stories like this, I’m not strong enough.

      • 146. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:06 pm

        I have the same reaction to stories like this. I think I’ve said it hear before – I just want to scoop up all the gay children who have been tossed aside by their families, and those who have been kept at home only to be abused, and give them all homes and shower love on them. I will never, never, never, ever understand what makes a parent turn their back on a child because s/he’s gay or transgender. Never. Never. Ever.

        One of the most difficult segments in the movie “8: The Mormon Proposition” was the part where they were showing the teenagers living in abandoned buildings, trying to survive on the streets because they’d been thrown out of their homes.

      • 147. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:27 pm

        I have never read a story like this, never.

      • 148. rainbowneck1963  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:28 pm

        Actually, Straight Grandmother, I think the reason this one moved you to tears is the fact that you are exactly the opposite kind of mother. You are a REAL mother, one who would fight like a grizzly to protect her children regardless. And this goes for all the mothers and fathers I have seen posts from on this site. You are the ones who live up to the names Mommy and Daddy.

      • 149. rainbowneck1963  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:32 pm

        This is why Derrick Martin and some friends started For those who are in my FB circle, if I haven’t already, I will send you a suggestion that will take you to their FB page.

      • 150. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:49 pm

        SG, someone here might be able to post the stats on homeless teens. I know the stats are out there – comparing what percent of homeless teens are glbt vs. the percentage of glbt teens in the population, in general. It shows that a significant reason for teenagers living on the streets is glbt children being kicked out of their homes, or running away to avoid being subjected to abuse (e.g., ‘conversion therapy’)

      • 151. Dave P.  |  August 11, 2010 at 5:29 pm

        This story, although tragic, is not uncommon even now in the 21st century. And SGM, I am sad to say that in many, MANY cases it is far worse than this example and does not end at all well.

        I have close friends who lived through situations like this when they were teenagers. And for some of them, there was no friend to take them in and help them out. Their stories are about homelessness and resorting to whatever means necessary to stay alive. For one of my friends this included resorting to prostitution at the age of sixteen. I am amazed when people can survive these tragedies and overcome them to become healthy well adjusted adults. I wonder how I would have turned out if it had been me.

        San Francisco is a sort of destination for gay kids who have been thrown out by their families. They sometimes think that this city is gay-friendly they may be able to find a way out of their horrible situation if they can just find a way to get here. But then when they arrive, they are still the same terribly hurt kids with broken spirits and no hope, and they are still homeless when they arrive and they are vulnerable to getting pulled into things like drug addiction and prostitution.

        San Francisco has some good programs to try to help these kids, but in many cases these kids fall through the cracks and never find these programs. And all too often they end up dead under a freeway due to an overdose or a combination of some untreated illness and exposure, or they take their own lives.

        THIS is the result of people spewing anti-gay rhetoric. They can say they don’t hate us if they want but the results of their actions speak for themselves.

  • 152. rainbowneck1963  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    By the way, is anybody else having trouble accessing the new post that went up at 5pm EDT? The one that has Arisha’s interview with Maggie in it from today’s Charleston event?
    I keep getting a 404 error–page not found.

  • 153. Mark Kliem  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Thank you for following the NOM Tour and reporting the truth about it. As it winds down please take the opportunity to start asking more TOUGH QUESTIONS. The questions in video interviews are getting repetitive.

    -Start each interview with “I’m sorry to hear of your impending divorce…” What divorce? (shock and horror!) -“With thousands of gay marriages on the books, I assume your spouse is leaving you, right?”
    -“How has gay marriages effected YOUR marriage?”
    -“Can you provide names of any straight couples who have broken up because of gay marriages?”

    Keep up the good work.

    • 154. Bob  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:41 pm

      just one time could they shove the picture and story of baby Roy in their face and connect the dots, re how their message gets acted on

  • 155. Bob  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    great link Kathleen NOM needs to be confronted with these stories, and especially the children who die

    This is a very common occurence for Rainbow Children

    A group home for gay youth is much needed

    And yes regarding Arisha’s story , after equality is granted by law children will continue to be kicked to the streets rather than embarass parents of the religious right.

    It’s a common occurence , rather than acknowledged for what it is they are referred to as runaways.

    And we take on that label because we chose to run
    in my case the choice was therapy (Reiker style)

  • 156. Ellid  |  August 11, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Scott Brown didn’t say much, if anything, about same-sex marriage during his Senate campaign. You know why? BECAUSE IT’S SETTLED LAW IN MASSACHUSETTS. I wonder why NOM is omitting that fact?

  • 159. Straight Ally #3008  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Special dedication to the NOMNOMs: Soul Coughing’s “Bus to Beelzebub.” (Could only find the demo version on YT)

    • 160. Straight Ally #3008  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:21 pm

      Odd..didn’t seem to embed. Tying another one…


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