NOM ally Alveda King named “Worst Person in the World”, and more from Raleigh

August 11, 2010 at 7:41 am 86 comments

Column as I see ’em:

  • If you missed it late last night, Alveda King was named “Worst Person in the World” on Keith Olbermann last night for her comments comparing same-sex marriage to genocide. Here’s the video of her remarks:

and the Olbermann segment:

Of course, it’s hard to see a family like the Kiekegards as products of “genocide”:

  • Courage Campaign and our work here at NOMTourTracker.com were profiled on NPR’s “All Things Considered” yesterday. You can listen to to the audio here and read a transcript here. Pat yourselves on the back, you all helped make this work a national story!
  • More on Raleigh yesterday- Pam Spaulding at PHB has must-see coverage of the rally, including fundie Joann Beckman (video of whom I posted yesterday) calling her marriage a “fraud”, and some good video footage. The exchange between her and Beckman is particularly amazing. Shoot on over to the Blend.
  • Before the rally, I re-read Mary Forrester, the wife of the NC State Senator who sponsors a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage and a leader with NC’s chapter of Concerned Women for America, and her op-ed claiming the average age of sexually active homosexual males is 42- and for those with AIDS, 39- claims that were so false and incendiary that the Christian Action League actually pulled her op-ed from their website and published acknowledgment of the factual errors.

So, naturally, Mary was an ideal person to be selected by NOM to speak at yesterday’s rally. And it’s a barnburner:

She has now revised her claim of the average age of a homosexual male to 55 (presumably, this is for non-sexually active gays). She also claims that domestic violence in “homosexual households” is double the rate of non-homosexual households, and that redefining marriage will lead to the end of marriage, which she claims happened in “Scandanavia”. Oh, kay.

  • Speaking of out-there NOM speakers, Pastor Olden Thornton, whom Arisha interviewed yesterday and actually came across as far less fringey than someone like Beckman, just wants LGBT people “to get on the same page” and that “you don’t know who you really are in Christ” (via Good As You). That’s code for saying that you can change your sexual orientation.

He also supports a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. That’s interesting because if you want the interview with Arisha, you could tell he had a problem with people  voting on other people’s civil rights, but couldn’t bring himself to say it- and she called him on it. Watch the exchange:

It’s getting hard to top the kinds of speakers NOM is rolling out- there are so many, we could do a “best of” (or “worst of”) list, and I think we should. But with three stops left in the tour, I bet we could.

Today’s stop is in Charleston, WV at 12 PM EST. Stay tuned.

UPDATE (9:33 PST): Also, GetEqual sent out a blast yesterday mentioning NOMTourTracker.com (thanks!) and The Big Commit, a big community response event to the NOM rally in DC this Sunday (you can RSVP on Facebook here). They’re asking folks to send in best sign ideas for possible use by pro-equality supporters at the rally. Click here to submit yours!

Entry filed under: NOM Tour Tracker, Right-wing.

Reflections on race, courts, marriage equality, and Alveda King Charleston, WV: Brian is replaced by Maggie, but #NOMTurnoutFAIL stays

86 Comments Add your own

  • 1. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  August 11, 2010 at 7:42 am

    MORE from Raleigh!

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  • 2. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 11, 2010 at 7:42 am

    scribing and working and reading emails and laughing and crying and thinking about our lives.

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    • 3. Alan E.  |  August 11, 2010 at 7:56 am

      Subscribe first, read second, hope I don’t miss my bus stop third

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    • 4. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:13 am

      ‘scribing.

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  • 5. Sagesse  |  August 11, 2010 at 7:49 am

    As the bowl of petunias said… ‘Oh no, not again.”

    Subscribing.

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    • 6. Felyx  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:27 am

      Adams made more sense in his Five book Trilogy than NOM on its 23 city fiasco!

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      • 7. Sagesse  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:31 am

        Felyx,

        Adams made more sense than anybody in the whole world :).

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      • 8. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:56 am

        I see we have Adams fans here – shoulda known it. :)

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      • 9. Lightning Baltimore  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:00 am

        Should people who are not Adams fans be allowed to marry?

        LET US VOTE!

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    • 10. Felyx  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:28 am

      42 NOMs total supporters to date! (Including staff and speakers and cops.)

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    • 11. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:29 am

      Some people speculate that if only we knew WHY the bowl of petunias thought that…

      And that poor whale…

      :)

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      • 12. Felyx  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:37 am

        I draws solace in that the whale’s short life was at least pleasant for the most part. But his story does go to show the devastating harm of those who would spew infinitely improbable philosophy on the innocent who simply want to exist. – Felyx

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      • 13. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:50 am

        OK… I have determined that I LOVE you. LOVE LOVE LOVE.

        Your response has tickled me pink! Thanks!

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      • 14. Sagesse  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:53 am

        Didn’t he finally answer that in Book 5 of the trilogy?

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      • 15. Lightning Baltimore  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:55 am

        Yuppers

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      • 16. Greg in OZ  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:56 pm

        Yes! We did get teh answer…and it was God’s last message to Man
        It read:
        “Sorry for the inconvinience”
        Do you think he was apologising to us for all the shite that his more extreme followers have thrown at us over the years?
        Just wondering….
        Greg in Oz

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  • 17. KarlG  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Thank you Arisha. This man is obviously VERY confused about his position. He is not speaking about America’s Constitution, he is speaking about God’s Constitution, which A: doesn’t exist, and B: has no legal weight in this country. Poor man…

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  • 18. Felyx  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:23 am

    In all these videos you can hear the horns honking and the people cheering! At one point Brian had to pause because one person kept on honking for quite awhile. It was so awesome! – Felyx

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  • 19. Ronnie  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:25 am

    It is such a shame that this woman is dragging the King name through the mud……I remember studying MLK in grade school & learning about what he did for freedom & Civil Rights. Feeling a sense of pride for my African-American heritage……..Now, when this is all written & kids are studying this Civil Rights movement, the King name will be attached to it but in an entirely opposite way. Thank you, “Dr.” Alveda King for attempting to ruin a legacy. Thankfully, MLK’s wife is providing an opposing view that’s on the right side of history so the historical written blow won’t be as damaging. & MLK’s words of freedom & equality will still ring stronger then his nieces words of oppression…….<3…Ronnie

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  • 20. Anna Bryan  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Awww, bless his heart. He doesn’t even know who Brian Brown is. It must have been Louis, the bus driver, that coordinated his speech with the tour.

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  • 21. Sagesse  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Pastor Olden Thornton – patronizing, condescending twerp.

    What follows is not personal to Pastor Olden, who seems well intentioned. I cannot identify with people who are willfully, proudly, ignorant and illiterate.

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  • 22. Abbe  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:29 am

    I wish I could watch these videos! They’re blocked at work. At least the site as a whole isn’t!

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  • 23. Felyx  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Arisha,

    Excellent job in trying to get Pastor Olden to be clear on his views. – Felyx

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  • 24. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Can I point out that Alveda was NOT the worst person in the world… (well, she got the title worst, but the others got worser and worstest) she was the second runner up to the title.

    In some ways, that is more insulting, don’t you think?

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    • 25. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:54 am

      Hmm dunno dunno. That dad who locked his kid in the car for an hour and a half when it was hot out with his pot laying there int he car, that did kind of tug on my heart strings. I think because we could identify with the immediate wrong/danger. Whereas with Alveda King, we are not able to see the immediate harm like we see with the kid. Hers was speech the dad’s was actions.

      For me I could go either way beacause the dad imperils one child but is immediate and Aveda’s speech imperils thousands but you don’t see it right away.

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    • 26. Lynn E  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:54 pm

      As Keith Olbermann says, “she took the bronze (medal).”

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  • 27. Bolt  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:35 am

    His god speak is powerless. Can’t relate.

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  • 28. Lightning Baltimore  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:40 am

    I love how they say over-and-again that it’s “not about hate,” then procede to say hateful, horrible things about us.

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    • 29. fiona64  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:51 am

      It’s all very much akin to “I’m not prejudiced, but …” or “No offense, but …” and similar.

      This way, the speaker can say “But I *told* you not to take offense” or whatever seems appropriate. It puts the onus on the listener for being offended, instead of the speaker for being offensive.

      These people have to tell their Villain Stories about GLBT people and their allies in order to justify their own villainous behavior.

      Love,
      Fiona

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      • 30. Lightning Baltimore  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:57 am

        It’s akin to the old line, “Some of my best friends are filthy, perverted, Hell-bound fags gay!”

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      • 31. Linda  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:29 am

        @fiona–
        Yes, exactly!!! That’s it; that’s the point of the ‘I/we love you’ line, too. And yes, we are in the wrong for reacting to what they’re saying; because, after all, they’re staying calm, and they told us they mean no harm, no offense, and it’s all in love.

        Well, no offense, and I mean this in a loving way–from my heart–and gosh, I’ve been praying about this–but BS and Maggie (and Louis, too) the path you have chosen is leading you to hell. Now you can change your course, and we would welcome you with open arms, but if you don’t you’re going to hell. Your lies are a stench to God’s nostrils. God bless!

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      • 32. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:01 am

        Love you, Linda. :)

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  • 33. AndrewPDX  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:43 am

    I’m just glad that the #NOMTourOfEpicFAIL is getting national recognition for the sham that it is. Helps keep me grounded to know there are others out there, beyond this P8TT community, who are noticing the same inconsistencies in their rhetoric… It’s not just our imagination, and we’re not just making it up like NOM spins it.

    Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité
    Andrew

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  • 34. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Arisha, your interview with Pastor Olden was absolutely perfect. You explained over and over what your question was, and he AGREED with you. He agreed and agreed and agreed that you were right, until you hit the hot button of “so it should be the same for homosexuals” or “so it should be the same for the Muslim religion” and his auto responses suddenly kicked in.

    It was brilliant to watch him try to not snap his own spine in bending over backwards to get from one position to the other. And if this seemingly educated man can’t rationally justify his own position, think what a mishmosh his followers receive from him. It shows so clearly that the anti-homosexual position is not based in rationality of any sort, people who are otherwise perhaps completely rational go off the tracks on this issue.

    I don’t think Boies and Olson could have done it any better. Thank you.

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  • 35. Sagesse  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Mary Forrester. After giving the traditional marriage crew a civics lesson, someone needs to give them a math lesson.

    She is representing 16,000 CWA members in North Carolina who ‘would be there if they could’. As opposed to the 43 who actually made it.

    A radical subset of a 2% minority wants to ‘re-define marriage for the rest of us.’ So who were the rest of the 6.2 million people in CA who voted against Prop 8?

    And don’t get me started on the definition of ‘minority’. Didn’t you know it’s the mathematical term for ‘skin colour’?

    Sorry, 10 minutes of that drivel brings out the snark.

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  • 36. Anonygrl  |  August 11, 2010 at 8:53 am

    I note that the headline for the Good As You link posted in the story indicates that Pastor Olden has said “Jesus is coming back for a bride! And so can you!”

    Well, that’s half the battle! Lesbians are all set then!

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  • 37. Cat  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:14 am

    It all seems to be coming back to irrational fear of gays. Perhaps we can adapt the following recipe to help homophobes deal with us:

    Facing a fear of dogs
    * Step 1: Draw a dog on a piece of paper.
    * Step 2: Read about dogs.
    * Step 3: Look at photos of dogs.
    * Step 4: Look at videos of dogs.
    * Step 5: Look at dogs through a closed window.
    * Step 6: Look through a partly-opened window.
    * Step 7: Look at them from a doorway.
    * Step 8: Move further out from the doorway.
    * Step 9: Have a helper bring a dog into a nearby room (on a leash).
    * Step 10: Have the helper bring the dog into the same room, still on a leash.

    Source: AnxietyBC

    I guess that is where the civil unions come in. A leash that keeps teh gayz at a safe distance… It also explains why people are afraid that children may be taught about gays in school, and they might end up making a nice drawing about two princesses marrying. That would be step 1. Oh no! Slippery slope to acceptance! After step 10 they will become a dog themselves!

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    • 38. Trish  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:29 am

      But I like dogs…

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  • 40. elliom  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:16 am

    There’s a great snippet where Pam Spaulding (I believe of Pam’s House Blend) is confonted by someone “with the Ruth Institute” who mistakes her for a sympathizer on Box Turtle Bulletin.

    http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/

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    • 41. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 5:17 pm

      Yes, Pam Spaulding is the blogger who has Pam’s House Blend. And she lives in Durham. Unfortunately, when we were there yesterday, my mind wasn’t working quite well (hey, I am down to two cells left, so I am lucky sometimes if they are even communicating back and forth, LOL) so it didn’t click with me right away who she was. I spent the time asking her about her camcorder. But hey, at least I know what camcorder I want now.

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  • 42. Sheryl Carver  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Every time I hear or read someone who is so sure that what they BELIEVE is therefor FACT, I think of one of the best bumper stickers I ever saw”

    “Militant Agnostic: I don’t know & you don’t either.”

    Unfortunately, people like the pastor do not understand the difference between belief & knowledge. Therein lies the problem.

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    • 43. Sagesse  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:33 am

      Language can be the enemy in much of this debate. There is a legal definition of ‘opinion’, and there is the dictionary definition. Same for ‘rational/irrational’.

      By far the most troublesome is Truth. To the religious, there is such a thing as ‘revealed Truth’, the Truth as conveyed to them by God. Some of us would call that belief, but their religious leaders call it Truth.

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    • 44. Bob  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:46 am

      To explore this line of thinking read THE RELIGIOUS CASE AGAINST BELIEF by James Carsh

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    • 45. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:15 am

      The difference between belief and knowledge is ‘faith’
      And sadly there is little chance in getting through to those whose faith is so strong there is no room for ‘what if’

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      • 46. Lightning Baltimore  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:25 am

        Faith and facts are diametrically opposed.

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      • 47. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:49 pm

        Actually, Mark, I have found that those who have the strongest faith, have the greatest room in their faith for “what if.” Most of the time, when I encounter someone whose faith leaves no room for “what if,” their faith is like a reed in the wind, and is not strong enough to grow, and be deepened through that growth. Also, I have found that those who have a strong faith are also quite able to question that same faith and its foundations to see if there is something they may be clinging to so tightly that they are missing the purpose for having faith, to see if there is something they have a chance to examine to see if they can more fully present their faith in true love, and to more fully do good in this world. So, for any of you who may think someone’s faith is weak because they have room for what if, reconsider. Of course, this is from the perspective of a man who was raised Protestant, then converted to Catholicism, and is now Jewish. And yet, through all of my life, I was always encouraged to have questions, because I was always told that if my faith were to grow, I would NEED to ask questions, I would NEED to leave room for what if, I would NEED to maintain a sense of childlike wonder and exploration or my faith would wither and die.

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  • 48. Ronnie  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:22 am

    O.T. sort’ve….I don’t remember if this was posted….this doesn’t apply to moi since I’m a Jersey boy….but since Tracker & CC is west coast based….this was posted on Instinct Magazine’s website:

    http://instinctmagazine.com/blog/call-to-action-protest-against-nom-in-l-a-on-thursday-august-12

    Call To Action: Protest Against NOM in L.A. on Thursday, August 12

    Details on where and when to show your gorgeous faces are:
    Los Angeles, CA: Thursday August 12th – 6:00 PM Renaissance Airport Hotel 9620 Airport Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90045

    More info on the other side of the link……<3…Ronnie

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    • 49. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:14 am

      Thanks for that, Ronnie. It’s the first I’d heard of it. These days, if it doesn’t appear on P8TT, I probably don’t hear of anything. :)

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  • 50. JayeinMD  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Here’s an amazing article written by an African American minister on why our struggle IS the same struggle faced by his community earlier in this nation’s history. It really blows away NOM and Brian Brown’s argument that marriage equality isn’t comparable to the civil rights struggles of African Americans and/or the Loving case:

    http://www.theroot.com/views/proposition-8-gay-rights-and-black-community?hpid=news-col-blog

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    • 51. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:16 pm

      JayinMD, I can hardly beleive that no one has commented on this article. It is a fantastic, great, superb article. Why can’t this get published in the Mainstream Media???

      A black retired Methodist minister who had, and perhaps still has, influencial positions in black and white churches whote a really power piece on why the Black churches should support SSM and he ties it in very nicely to MLK and the Black Civil Rights Movement.

      It is a really really great article, I am book marking it. Thank you so much. I hope everyone takes the time to read it.

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  • 52. Brittney  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:42 am

    I think someone should ask Brian and the rest of the NOMbies to give us reasons OTHER THAN religion as to why we shouldn’t be allowed to marry. That, so far, is the only argument I have heard from NOM. And honestly, it’s getting pretty old. Not everyone believes the same thing, not everyone is christian. Even so, that should have NOTHING to do with how people vote. This country is not a theocracy! Ugh.
    I want reasons. No religion. No personal belief. No “opinions”. I want them to give me FACTS.
    But they can’t, because there are none.

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    • 53. Lightning Baltimore  |  August 11, 2010 at 9:56 am

      They consider the-man-has-a -peepee-he-can-put-inside-the-lady’s-hoohah-to-make-a-baby a “rational,” non-religious argument against same-gender marriage.

      As for m/f marriages either with no children or with infertile people? Well, they uphold the m/f marriage paradigm as an example to others, especially those who may be in need of guidance when deciding whether to marry someone of the opposite gender vs. someone of the same!

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      • 54. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:40 am

        Couldn’t have said it better myself. Hammer, nail, head…

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      • 55. Trish  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:32 am

        Ew. Why do they have to be all about sex. I’m all for their right to do whatever they want with their different sexual organs, but why do they have to push it in my face all the time? Can’t they talk about that kind of thing in private?

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    • 56. Sheryl Carver  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:12 am

      That’s exactly the problem, Brittney.

      See Sagesse’s post above. (At the moment, it’s #34)

      When you have some religious people (fortunately not all!) who believe that they & ONLY they have a lock on the Truth, provable facts have no meaning to them if they conflict with that Truth.

      For those who equate “belief” with “knowledge”, there’s little to no hope of changing their minds. However, thanks to courageous & rational judges like Vaughn Walker, we do have recourse. There have been & will be mistakes by the courts, but generally they do realize their job is to base their decisions on evidence, ie “facts” not “beliefs”.

      And there are also many people who, unlike Pastor Olden, will revaluate their opinions & beliefs when presented with clear evidence in a way that does not make them defensive.

      I add that last part because as a self-employed dog trainer, a large part of my job is to get some people to understand that force- or punishment-based training methods are not the best way to go. I’ve learned from my teachers & from experience that if I say anything that implies that the owner is “bad” or “wrong” for having used such methods, most will shut down & not hear anything I have to say from then on.

      And then the dog pays continues to pay the price.

      This is why I feel so strongly about HOW we protest, HOW we behave when dealing with BB & NOMers. We aren’t going to change their minds, but we do have a chance to change the opinions & beliefs of others who are watching & listening.

      I understand the strong emotions we all have about discrimination. But if we don’t channel that anger & outrage appropriately, we do our cause more harm than good. (I do NOT mean be a doormat, or turn the other cheek, or continue to support politicians who never stand up for us when it counts.)

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      • 57. Brittney  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:47 am

        I agree with you completely, Sheryl. I just got a bit riled up after watching those vids…I feel so strongly on this, as do many others. I just feel helpless, I want to be apart of this…but I live in bible belt usa i.e Alabama.
        I can’t donate money to the cause because I don’t have enough to do so…I just feel like I could be doing so much more than sitting at my computer brooding over the injustices and writing comments.
        Er, any ideas anyone?

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      • 58. Trish  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:31 am

        Brittney, the biggest thing that you can do is be a supporter and be “out”. If you’re gay, be out and let people know it. If you’re straight, be out as a supporter of gay rights. If you hear anyone say anything that you think is wrong, speak up. Don’t be confrontational, just mention that you don’t agree because you think everyone deserves equal rights and treating gays and lesbians differently is discrimination and it is wrong.

        Keep informed and keep others informed.

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      • 59. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:10 pm

        Start a blog here on wordpress and share your feelings and your experiences. Even if life gets in the way and doesn’t let you blog every day, you will still get your POV out there and there will be folks who read it, even if they don’t post comments. And you can even set it up so that your blog shows up on your FB page every time you create a new post.

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    • 60. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:58 pm

      Brittney, you can also hang around here and continue to participate. Nowdays the internet is the public square just as Rick Jacobs said in his NPR interview. By reading news and other articles and commenting you are one more voice for Equality, (okay I caved this time, it was quicker to type than Discrimination) You know you might enjoy checking out the facebook group that Ronnie is with Freedom Fighters For (4?) Equality. Not positive but I think they scour Facebook and repond, and do not let dicriminitory statements stand un challanged.

      As for me being older I am more traditional I guess, I respond with a comment many times to news articles. And like Sheryl Carver said I don’t hide who my children are. When meeting new people int he “getting to know you stage” when they ask about your children etc. I jsut come right out and tell them that I have 2 wonerful children my son lives in DC his profession is yadda yadda yadda, my daughter lives in Virgina and her profession is yadda yadda yadda, and they are both gay.

      Of course I don’t lead with this, I don’t walk around town with my hand out shaking stangers hands saying, “Hello my kids are gay, how are you?” But when I have normal everyday getting to know you converstaions I always lay it out there pretty early. It is part of who my children are and it is part of this family and I am not ashamed of it, so I don’t hide it in any way. You would be amazed at how many gay men and lesbian women I have met, i guess because I usually bring it up first.

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  • 61. Bill  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Dear Arisha,

    I do not know if you read comments here, and you most likely are too busy at this point to do so.

    But I would just like to say to you that you have personally restored my faith in humanity. You make me believe again in people’s basic goodness, and I love you for it. You are an amazing human being. Amazing!

    Thank you for all you are doing. For your calm, rational approach during your interviews, I truly love you. I could see in the eyes of Pastor Olden Thornton that you had an effect on him. You made him think and consider. You are a smart, smart woman! Thank you, thank you, thank you.

    With Love,
    Bill

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    • 62. Straight Grandmother  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:59 pm

      I saw that as well. You may not have caused hi to change his opinion on the spot but you made him think about it.

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  • 63. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Now to try and find the link to our local NPR affiliate and post it. I hope so. Also, go to this link for coverage that will also appear in their print edition in September.

    http://www.trianglelgbt.com

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  • 64. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:02 am

    forgot to click the button again. Still kind of tired from yesterday’s trip.

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  • 65. Anne B.  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Genocide! duh! of course! now I get it!!

    Straight people are straight ONLY because marriage is only legal between men and women.

    If same sex marriage becomes legal, we will all abandon our heterosexuality and embrace our true gay/lesbian natures (after all, heterosexuality is just a choice, right?) and we’ll marry same gendered partners.

    Ergo, no more baby making.

    Now I get it!! (oh, my head hurts – can we send all these people to a logic class?)

    Anne

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    • 66. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 12:58 pm

      Anne, I have considered the same thing. What stopped me is the fact that wasting money like that is considered to be poor stewardship by the Jewish faith. And sending NOMbies to a logic class would be an extravagant waste of money.

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      • 67. Anne B.  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:11 pm

        good point, no sense in wasting the money. They have their heads up their asses and think they see heaven…

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    • 68. Chris in Lathrop  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:26 pm

      My wife’s boss swallows Limbaugh’s garbage and other right-wing propaganda nearly verbatim. I told her, should he bring all this up at work, to ask him whether he thinks he and his wife will have to divorce should marriage-for-all come true.

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  • 69. Sagesse  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:35 am

    The SF Chronicle is at it again. The author’s credits:

    John C. Eastman is a law professor and former dean at Chapman University School of Law. He is also the founding director of the Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence.

    Should judge have recused himself on Prop. 8?

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/10/ED591ERJID.DTL

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    • 70. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:42 am

      That’s the kind of dreck I expect from Eastman, or anyone from Chapman. The infamous John Yoo took refuge from UC Berkeley School of Law at Chapman.

      “the mere fact that Judge Walker may be homosexual would not necessarily have required recusal. But the fact that he “attends bar functions with a companion, a physician,” and may therefore be in a stable homosexual relationship of the kind that could lead to marriage, is an entirely different matter.”

      Now it’s a bad thing for someone to be in a stable relationship, is it??

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      • 71. Michelle Evans  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:16 am

        I have spoken on LGBT issues at Chapman on several occasions, and met Eastman at the first such event, which was prior to the passage of Prop 8. I would agree that he and others at Chapman are not our friends, I would also have to say that there are many, many people at Chapman who are indeed our friends. They have some truly wonderful (and vocal) people who speak out against people such as Eastman. So please don’t lump all people at Chapman under the banner of his hatred.

        At the conference prior to Prop 8, Eastman had a panel discussion with half in favor and half against. Near the close of the proceedings I asked a simple question of the pro-Prop 8 side: “Do you consider me as a human being?”

        Not long ago I ran into a friend who was there that day, and she said how my comment was so great if for no other reason than it stopped the haters in their tracks. There was literally silence as they sputtered and spun their gears trying to figure out how to answer my question and justify their beliefs of inequality. They were unsuccessful.

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      • 72. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:20 am

        @Michelle, you’re right, I should not lump everyone at Chapman in with Eastman and Yoo. I apologize to anyone I offended. The only ones I know of are Eastman and Yoo, but I should know better than to generalize that way.

        Thank you for sharing your experience.

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      • 73. Sagesse  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:39 am

        Thank you, Ann S. I knew I had heard Chapman somewhere, but couldn’t place it. I was just speechless that he doesn’t understand how recusal works. Never mind that a person is in a stable relationship because the LA Times says so.

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      • 74. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:01 pm

        Using that logic, if the judge were heterosexual and married, that would also have required recusal.

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  • 75. Sagesse  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Somehow missed this, from Mark Morford at SFgate last week. Very dry wit.

    Gay marriage makes the world shrug

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/08/06/notes080610.DTL

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    • 76. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 10:56 am

      Great column! Complete with Morford’s usual bag of mixed metaphors.

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      • 77. Kathleen  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:11 am

        Morford fan here. Read most of his columns.

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      • 78. Sagesse  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:40 am

        Yeah, but his mixed metaphors are so funny.

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      • 79. Ann S.  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:42 am

        They are, but sometimes I’m a bit slow. The juxtaposition of “last virgin Catholic schoolgirl” and “snail crawling over the finish line” had me wondering what I had missed in between there for a minute.

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    • 80. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 11, 2010 at 1:15 pm

      And I love what he called Prop H8 “stillborn bastard troll.” Is it just me, or did he hit the nail right on the head with that one?

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    • 81. Alex O'Cady  |  August 11, 2010 at 2:43 pm

      I loved this. It reminded me of the revelation my wife and I had the other night….the SCOTUS is going to rule that marriage equality is constitutional, and I know the exact date:

      December 21, 2012.

      The fundies are right! Gay marriage WILL signify the end of the world! Everyone, run for your lives!

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  • 82. Brittney  |  August 11, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Trish, thank you for the comment :)
    I am infact gay, my girlfriend and I have been engaged for going on 3 years now…we’re hoping to be able to get married one day soon, have children and all that good stuff<3
    I am also very much out, have been since I was 15.
    I am not a confrontational person by any means, but I do confront people about issues such as this when I feel it necessary…I'm hoping to one day make a career based on gay rights

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  • 83. Chris in Lathrop  |  August 11, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    I agree with Olbermann that the dude who left his kid in the car in 83-degree heat for between 20 and 90 minutes should be the worst person in the world (of the day). But geez, how can Gingrich’s mere hypocrisy beat out King’s blatant cry of genocide and impending extinction???

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  • 84. Keith  |  August 11, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    This is getting ridiculous, when is Judge Walker going to announce his decision about his stay? At this rate, the appeal announcement will be decided before he makes his decision on the stay :-(

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  • 85. Derrick  |  August 14, 2010 at 2:31 am

    Genius… I love how Arisha is so good at making these pod people logically accountable. They are so used to spewing nonsense- its fun to listen to them talk themselves into a corner but also so very sad the level of delusion and lying.

    Arisha deserves an excellence in journalism award. Get em!

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