Prop 8 Trial Tracker looking for some great new writers: Now taking nominations and applications

August 20, 2010 at 12:54 pm 148 comments

by Adam Bink

So I have some good news and bad news.

Bad news is, after about a month’s time here, I will need to leave Prop 8 Trial Tracker next week to focus on some other projects at DailyKos and OpenLeft. Of course, I’ll be keeping an eye on this space and commenting from time to time, but won’t be writing on the front page regularly (though Eden and the P8TT folks have invited me to cross-post on the trial occasionally).

Good news is, I suggested to the other management here that it’s time to broaden Prop8TrialTracker into more of a community-based site, and they agreed. There’s a great community of voices here, many of which deserve a bigger platform. That means we’re going to be selecting a front-page writer or two from among you in the comments.

The process to this is two-fold.

One, we’re interested to see who from within the P8TT community you’d like to see write on the front page. This website is, after all, in large part for you. Think about which commenters you think have the best insight, and leave a comment on this post nominating them. You can feel free to nominate more than one person. Nominations carry some, but not all, weight on who we select.

Second, because we’re a commenter-only site without full diaries, we want to make sure those who are nominated can actually write (more about that below). If you’re interested in writing for us, submit (a) some background information on yourself and (b) three (3) writing samples to prop8trial AT couragecampaign DOT org. See the FAQ for details on these two items.

Note that even if you are nominated  repeatedly in the comments, you must still send in writing samples to be considered.

Because some of you may have never written on the front page of a blog before, or want to know what responsibilities are involved in “blogging”, I put together some FAQ’s below:

If I’m selected as a front-page writer, what will I be expected to do on P8TT?

You will be expected to produce at least two guest pieces per week, fully edited and formatted. You posts will be reviewed for publication by the  P8TT editors.

What should I write about?

We’re a blog that covers Prop 8, the movement for full marriage equality, NOM, and topics closely related to those issues. You’ll be expected to cover those “beats” in your weekly piece(s). Your pieces can range from covering “breaking news” as it happens to more in-depth explorations of a topic.

Will I be expected to be “on call” to cover events like NOM rallies?

Not in the least. This is a volunteer opportunity to feature your writing, not a job. You and the editor will work out a writing schedule that works best with your schedule, and if you’re interested in helping cover live events or “breaking news”, you can. But there’s no expectation beyond writing your regular pieces each week.

But what if I’ve never blogged before?

Many of the best front-page writers on blogs started out in the comments (at DailyKos and OpenLeft, for example). Commenting is often a precursor to good blogging. Or if you get in debates over e-mail, sometimes I’ve found the best arguments in those e-mails translate well to a blog post. Think of writing a blog post as writing an op-ed, only better (because we’ve got things like video and linking ability).

Speaking of video and linking, what is HTML, and do I need to know it?

HTML is a way to add depth to your writing, and yes, you’ll need to know basic HTML. It’s how I make this sentence appear bold. It’s a simple bit of text you add to your posts that can add links, video, photos, bolding/italics/underlining, bullet points and more.

Fortunately, we use WordPress here, which has built-in tools for adding 99% of all the HTML you’ll ever need with one-click functionality, so you won’t need to worry much about it. And for fancier stuff, my home blog, OpenLeft.com, has a good how-to post (which I just linked to using, you guessed it, one-click HTML!).

What do I need to submit to be considered?

Read this section carefully. You need to submit an e-mail to prop8trial AT couragecampaign DOT org with the following two items:

1. Some background information on you, including the following:

  • Some background about yourself
  • Whereabouts you live
  • What you do on a daily basis, including your occupation and other places you regularly spend time writing
  • Describe in a paragraph or two where you think the movement for full marriage equality needs to go to in the next several years.
  • Lastly, tell us what kind of writing/publications that are must-reads daily, and what kind you like to read when you have some spare time.

We’re asking because scheduling posts means knowing what time zone you’re in, what kind of commitments you have already, and how much attention you’ll be able to give to the P8TT community. Be honest about everything. There are no right or wrong answers to these questions, we are just seeking a diverse group of writers.

2. As I wrote above, three (3) writing samples, either in the e-mail or as attachments. Blog posts, including user diaries (like at OpenLeft or DailyKos) are preferred. If you haven’t written many or your best work isn’t in them, you can submit other writing, but limit it to 800 words or less (blog posts should be submitted in their entirety, though). Excerpts of longer pieces- like an article for a magazine or a college term paper- are fine. You should be sending in writing that showcases (a) your skills at good, interesting, writing (b) your ability to explore issues and/or advocate for your cause.

What if 46 people in the comments all say I should be selected?

That weighs in your favor, but you won’t be considered without sending in the material above.

I didn’t get many nominations in the comments. Should I still apply?

Yes! It’s not a popularity contest. While reader nominations are a factor, we’re looking for the best person.

I’m not interested in applying, but can I nominate other people from the comments?

YES! Your opinion on who you’d like to see matters. Leave a comment with the username(s) of who you’d like to see promoted to the front page.

What if I have other questions that aren’t frequently asked?

Leave a comment and I’ll be happy to answer it.

We’re looking forward to see your nominations and applications!

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  • 1. adambink  |  August 20, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Nominate away!

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    • 2. Alan E.  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:41 pm

      Just subscribing. Will read it later.

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      • 3. Ann S.  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:42 pm

        Alan E., you’d be good. I nominate Alan E.

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      • 4. Alan E.  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:56 pm

        Thanks Ann. I would love to, but I don’t think I would have the time to do 2 posts a week.

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  • 5. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    I nominate Anonygirl. Her comedy pieces have been fun, but I’m nominating her because I think she’s just overall a good writer. I’d love to see articles written by her.

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    • 6. Jennifer Gail  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:31 pm

      I second this!

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    • 7. Bolt  |  August 20, 2010 at 4:19 pm

      Third.

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    • 8. StraightForEquality  |  August 20, 2010 at 5:07 pm

      My first thought as well.

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  • 9. Ann S.  |  August 20, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Love ya, Adam! Thanks for all you do!

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    • 10. fiona64  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:00 pm

      This, in spades.

      Love,
      Fiona

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    • 11. PamC  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:04 pm

      ditto, in hearts! <3<3<3

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      • 12. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:34 pm

        2 no trump

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  • 13. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    I also nominate Fiona.

    And, Adam, I’ll miss you. :(

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    • 14. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:05 pm

      I second Fiona!
      I second Anonygirl…

      And, I nominate Kathleen!

      It would be nice to have some of our straight ally’s write too!

      One thing I would like to add…I am glad I am not the one who has to choose!

      Subscribing too!

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      • 15. adambink  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:27 pm

        Let me second on that point that both LGBT individuals as well as straight allies are welcome.

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      • 16. Ann S.  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:31 pm

        I second Fiona, Anonygirl, and Kathleen.

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      • 17. Bolt  |  August 20, 2010 at 4:19 pm

        Fiona!

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    • 18. adambink  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:21 pm

      Thanks for the kind words, upthreaders!

      Reply
    • 19. ElsieH  |  August 21, 2010 at 8:40 am

      I also nominate Fiona : )

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  • 20. Sagesse  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Subscribing.

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  • 21. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Adam, here is one of the questions I have:
    If someone already has a blog, would samples of those posts be what you are looking for as submissions?
    Also, I would like to nominate the following people:
    fiona64
    Kathleen
    Ann S.
    Trish
    Felyx
    KirilleXXI

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    • 22. Ann S.  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:12 pm

      Thank you, Richard, but if nominated I will not run, and if elected I will not serve. It may not appear to be true on some days, but I actually have a full-time job, and I need to pay more attention to it.

      You’re kind to think of me, and I do appreciate it.

      And I hereby nominate Richard, who has passion, knowledge and erudite writing skills.

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      • 23. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:26 pm

        Thank you, Ann. And if selected, I will do the best I can.

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      • 24. fiona64  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:01 pm

        I second Richard’s nomination.

        I would like to nominate Felyx (assuming his duties with Papa Foma would allow for it), Kevyn/Kirille, Nightshayde and Alan E.

        Love,
        Fiona

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    • 25. adambink  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:26 pm

      That is a good question. What I would say is posts that have some interesting observations, insights, or advocacy. They can certainly be personal in nature if they relate in some way to an issue.

      I would also say that while writing on marriage equality/NOM/Prop 8 would be ideal, writing on other issues- from climate change to the virtues of car-sharing in urban areas- is certainly interesting as well.

      But in nature, it should be work that is similar to what you might find on this blog.

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      • 26. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:33 pm

        Thanks, Adam. See the blog I have on wordpress is one in which I give a synopsis of our life here in North Carolina in an effort to debunk the stereotypes about “the gay lifestyle” by showing exactly what our lifestyle here is like. And yes, that is what I have linked to my id here.
        I, too, will miss seeing you here, but will still look for you on Daily Kos and Open Left.
        Take care, and keep in touch!

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    • 27. adambink  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:53 pm

      You know, I think I may have misread your comment. Yes, samples of posts would be what we are looking for, if you think it is good demonstration of why you should be selected. The URL and text of the post will suffice (and you should note in your e-mail if there’s pics or video in the post that aren’t included in the pasted text).

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  • 29. PamC  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Nominating fiona, Kathleen, nightshayde, Ann S., JonT and David P.

    love,
    Pam, who can’t pick out ice cream flavors, either.

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    • 30. Ann S.  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:12 pm

      Thanks, PamC, but I just can’t take on anything now. Thanks for thinking of me. How about you, though?

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    • 31. nightshayde  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:02 pm

      Thank you to PamC & the others who have mentioned my name. I’m touched that all y’all like me. You really like me!

      Like others though, I’m going to have to decline. Not because I have writing commitments or anything like that — but because I’m a fundamentally lazy person and because I don’t think I would be able to give the task the attention it deserves.

      I do my best writing not when I “have to,” but when something moves me enough that I want to (though marriage equality tends to be one of the categories of things that I often DO want to write/talk about). I also seem to do a lot of it when I’m supposed to be doing other things (like working at work, for example).

      A suggestion to the P8TT staff: How about having an in-box set up for people to submit articles/opinion pieces completely at random? Maybe even one for time-sensitive issues (like something stupid a politician says, or coverage of a protest/rally), and one for pretty much everything that’s NOT time-sensitive? If you’re getting low on material or if one of the submitted random pieces keeps a discussion flowing, it could be posted… thus taking pressure off (in terms of deadlines), yet allowing a freer flow of ideas?

      In case that wouldn’t work, how about a message board with some sort of vBulletin format? There could be sections for regional issues, electoral politics, other equality-related topics … and perhaps a “lounge” section where people could just chat about any random thing (recipes, cute pictures of pets, movie/book recommendations, etc…).

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  • 32. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    nightshayde, JontT, PamC, Felyx

    I just know I’m leaving out some of the great writers here. Hopefully, others will cover for me. :)

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  • 33. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Michelle Evans!

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    • 34. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:25 pm

      And Marlene! Michelle and Marlene could even team up!
      And I agree with Ann S. about PamC!

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    • 35. Michelle Evans  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:33 pm

      Kathleen (and Richard), Thank you very much for the nominations. That truly means wonderful things to me. When I first saw this thread, I immediately thought about applying for the position, but unfortunately I have to decline.

      My reason is that I absolutely love and adore all the great people on this site, and it is a place I always like to come to in order to be re-energized, but I currently am under contract for a book and am already very much behind on where I should be–primarily because of all that is happening in our P8TT community. My editor and publisher are very understanding, and they have already given me one extension, so I probably shouldn’t ask for another.

      Thank you again. It has made my day, especially after such horrible news of the arrests in San Diego just for wanting to be married.

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  • 36. Phillip R  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Kathleen and Fiona are the first 2 that jumped out at me right off the bat. I’m not active when it comes to commenting but I read all the comments and articles daily.

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    • 37. Phillip R  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:23 pm

      Oops…meant to add that both of them always are clear, concise and have a knack for explaining complex information. They’d both be great additions.

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      • 38. Ann S.  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:24 pm

        Phillip, I agree. I second the nominations of Kathleen and Fiona.

        Also Trish.

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    • 39. StraightForEquality  |  August 20, 2010 at 5:16 pm

      I agree on these and also LesbiansLoveBoies.

      Reply
  • 40. PamC  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    School starts next week, as do my endless reports and record-keeping, so I have to bow out as well, but thanks much for the nominations!

    I second Michelle Evans!

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  • 41. Shelly & Simie 4 ever  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Hi,

    Sorry to hear that you are not able to write here for us but we are happy that you will still visit us all to say hi & to ck on the info. My wife is Italain and I am U.S. We have a house in the U.S. but at the moment we are in Italy as her visa expired and so we packed our suitcases and here we are until she can reaply again for a visa. Since I am temporarly in Italy would I still be able to submit my information to be a writer for this or the new site? I hope to hear from you soon so I can get started i have a myraid of ideas on what 2 write abojut and how 2 get everyone envolved in fighting within the law to help our case.

    Best Wishes,

    Shelly
    &
    Simie

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    • 42. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:44 pm

      Shelly & Simie, have you thought about uploading this picture of you, or another one of you and your family, to the link in the other thread about courageous families? It would truly be yet another wonderful addition to the site, and it would also help illustrate the plight of our binational couples.

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  • 43. fiona64  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Dear friends:

    I am so very honored and flattered to be nominated. Unfortunately, I simply cannot take on this responsibility. With one book in edits and another being written, whilst also managing a full-time job and all that goes with it (my situation is much like Ann S.’ in that regard), I could not guarantee that my articles would make it by deadline.

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

    Love,
    Fiona

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    • 44. Straight Grandmother  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:57 pm

      I always admire people who use the word, “whilst.” It sounds so refined doens’t it?

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  • 45. Shelly & Simie 4 ever  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    but if i cant not i would love for straight grandmother or Kathleen to be our daily blogger. I am now writing a book about my life and this issue is so right in the middle of the book. I went to the university of pittsburgh for communication, and professional writting. I also love writing poetry of which this issue has inspired me to write more. I am now on dissability for health reasons and have all the time to devote to my writting & soakin up the sun until we can go home to our family then writting & family takes presidence. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

    Best Wishes,

    Shelly

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  • 46. carpoolcookie  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    I will appeal any change here to the highest authority!

    The posters mentioned above (and myself, of course) can submit guest pieces…but I am afraid I am simply too fragile right now to see any major change take place here.

    I have standing to appeal this change, because there will be adverse and ireffutable (irrevocable??) (something) HARM done to me.

    Who will stand with me??????

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    • 47. Ann S.  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:49 pm

      The word you want is irrefudiate, I think.

      ;)

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      • 48. Dalow  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:56 pm

        Ann S., that is very subtle and it mad me laugh out loud! Thanks.

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      • 49. Ann S.  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:02 pm

        Glad to give you a laugh!

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  • 50. Straight Grandmother  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    I am thinkig that 2 per week is a big commitment. If I were running it I think I would take almost all of us who volunteer and create a list and simply start at the top of the list and assign the first few a due date. As it got close to your due date (which probably would include a time) the writer would choose to write about current GLBT events and perhaps tie it in with some bit of wisdom they have learned in life. Then take the next chunk of names and give them a heads up as to thier due dates.

    Asking for 2 Articles per week for an undertimend amount of time is a lot to get people to agree to. That will probably hold some people back from volunteering. If you ask people if they would be on a list of 20 – 30 people and when their number is up they need to write a topic, and the list keeps circulating from top to bottom I think you would get a terrific response. This also would provide a heck of a lot of diversity. The writers could interview people for articles they write, either in person or by phone. I bet our group could think up some great people to follow up with to a current event.

    Also it is time to unchain Kathleen. I think Kathleen has MORE than proved herself, and she should be able to post new topics whenever she feels there is a need, without being hung up in moderation. We all came here to P8TT to follow the trial, we are Trial Junkies for the most part. Kathleen regularly posts breaking trial news as a comment and that is not the optimal way to present breaking news, as a comment. Feed us what we came here for, I vote for Kathleen unleashed, let her create trial news topics at will :)

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    • 51. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:59 pm

      I second that, Straight Grandmother!

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    • 52. adambink  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:19 pm

      Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately, the feasibility of this idea just wouldn’t work. Also, two posts in a week sounds like more than it is. Some pieces are short, and some are long. In fact, the length of a typical post, in text at least, is just somewhat longer than how long it took you to write this comment! But, you will find that for those inspired, it comes naturally.

      And feel free to keep nominating folks.

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      • 53. Straight Grandmother  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:43 pm

        @Adam Okay. But could you just briefly touch on why it wouldn’t work? What are the constriants? Think of the diversity of the authors of the topics, wouldn’t it be great?

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  • 54. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    I also nominate carpoolcookie!

    Thanks everyone for the nominations and your votes of confidence, but I also have to bow out. My health is such that I can’t take on a responsibility that involves a deadline; it’s the kind of stress I’ve had to minimize in order to focus on healing. And I’ll make a personal confession — I’m completely neurotic about my writing. It requires a “hold my nose and jump in the deep end” mentality to produce written work – again, more stress I prefer to avoid.

    So, love you all, but I’m not in the running.

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    • 55. Ann S.  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:58 pm

      @Kathleen, that is understandable, and I nominate you to have blog powers so that you can post links to the documents in the posts themselves but need not write commentary as a blogger. Would that work for you? We all have grown to depend on you to post links to the legal docs, and appreciate it greatly.

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  • 56. Rob Tisinai  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    This is incredibly obnoxious, but since most of my contributions to this site have been videos, people may not be aware that I write as well. So (and here’s the obnoxious part), I’ll link to a few columns here to see if anyone likes them.

    http://wakingupnow.com/blog/3-facts-about-hate-crime-laws

    http://wakingupnow.com/blog/3500-paycut-2

    http://wakingupnow.com/blog/conservatives-you-have-only-yourselves-to-blame

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    • 57. Ann S.  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:01 pm

      I nominate Rob. Your writing is great.

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    • 58. fiona64  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:03 pm

      Rob! You are *really* good.

      I would definitely nominate you to be one of the bloggers here.

      Love,
      Fiona

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    • 59. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:03 pm

      Hi Rob, I love your videos and writing.

      I can’t begin to keep track of all the excellent writer who show up here. I hope you realize the selection will not depend on nominations by the masses. :) Please follow through with the submission instructions. I’d love to see you contribute here!

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    • 60. Straight Grandmother  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:06 pm

      Oh for sure Rob if we can get him. Did you read his stuff? It’s great.

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    • 61. Ray in MA  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:41 pm

      Definitely!

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    • 62. Alan E.  |  August 20, 2010 at 4:07 pm

      I really like Rob’s stuff and his name has already been floated around many of the LGBT blogs. His writing would be a great addition to this site.

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    • 63. Ann S.  |  August 20, 2010 at 5:31 pm

      Rob, I just read your “3 facts about hate crimes” blog entry. I really like the way you combine facts and quotes to make your points very powerfully.

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    • 64. StraightForEquality  |  August 20, 2010 at 7:10 pm

      Rob, I have loved your videos for a long time. I didn’t realize you were a candidate for this. I’d jump at a chance to read you here regularly.

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    • 65. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 20, 2010 at 7:36 pm

      I agree. Rob would be a great addition. Now, to add my two cents.
      Rob, I for one do not find your post obnoxious, merely a post expressing interest in adding yet another layer of depth to this family we have here.
      Second, from the videos you have posted that I have seen, I figured you were not only a talented writer, but also a well-rounded, educated one with a firm grasp on critical thinking and logic. One would have to be to create the videos you have created.
      That being said, I am glad you posted links today, as that will give me even more of your material to check out. And I am looking forward to doing just that.

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    • 66. PamC  |  August 20, 2010 at 8:27 pm

      Rob! I’m a fan already. Totally nominate you, dude!

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  • 67. DazedWheels  |  August 20, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    I’ll miss you, too, Adam. DailyKos and OpenLeft are very fortunate.

    I absolutely adore everyone who’s been nominated.

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  • 68. IT  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    I’m not much of a commenter, but I write a lot on the marriage issue on my own blog, Gay Married Californian (http://gaymarriedcalifornian.blogspot.com). I’d appreciate it if y’all would take a look at what I’ve done there, and consider recommending me.

    Thanks!

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  • 76. Bolt  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    I would nominate myself, but I’m enrolled in a tough English writing class that began last night, so I’ll drop everyone else’s names. Kathleen, Straight Grandmother, Alen E. Ann S. Lesbians Love Boies, Dan from Texas, and pgbach. I know we have more talents, and I’ll go with the flow.

    Thank you, Adam Bink.

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  • 77. Dave T  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Unfortunately, all the folks I would have nominated seem to have taken themselves out of the running :-S

    But I do have a couple of suggestions for things I’d like to see covered…

    Regional issues/perspectives – I live in California and while I appreciate the focus on the Prop 8 trial, I would love to hear more about what’s happening on the east coast, in the south, etc.

    International perspectives – Although I’m American by birth, I grew up in (and became a citizen of) one of the few countries where marriage is for everyone. Let’s hear some stories from Canada, Spain, South Africa, or other places where same-sex marriage has been possible for a while. Let’s show the Prop 8 supporters that the world does not come to an end when LGBT people can marry.

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    • 78. adambink  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:56 pm

      Thanks. Actually, comments on topic focus are welcome as well.

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    • 79. Straight Grandmother  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:19 pm

      DaveT I also am concerned about the authors being so regionally concentrated in California. That is why I like my great big list of “all of us” idea. The diversity would be awsome. We are all capable of writing a god topic. It is jsut the time commitment to doing it so regularly. I am kind of waiting for Adam to come back and share why this would not work. It can be something as simple as “Eden doesn’t want to keep track of everybody.” Okay that is a constraint. Solution have a volunteer be responsible for the logistics.

      I am sure kathleen would write one article, Fiona 1, DPeck 1 article, Alan E 1 article, RAW 1 article, Ronnie 1 article, LLB 1 article, Ray in MA 1 article, ElsieH 1 article, the moms who’s sons are Mormons 1 article, Kirille & Felyx 1 article, and on and on and on. All of us. The diversity of doing it this way would be awsome. When it would be my time to write my 1 current even article I would go in depth and get direct quotes and interviews. In other words we would focus more because we would do it less often.

      And I knwo I make a lot of typos here and that is jsut because I go fast and I have a handicap with my right hand, nto a big one but enough that it interferes with my typing. I jsut let er rip in a comment. However if I am writing for publication I take care. I have been published before and paid for it :) In a national magazine, a 15th year annivesary edition. So when I want to, when I want to take the time, I can do it. My point being ALL of us can. I simply quit writing down the names above so don’t get your feelings hurt if you don’t see your name (I got tired), ALL of us can do this now and then.

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      • 80. adambink  |  August 20, 2010 at 4:10 pm

        There are a lot of reasons why it wouldn’t be feasible- too many to get into- but thanks again for the suggestion.

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  • 81. Ray in MA  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    I wish I had the time to devote to the cause (here) in this way… it would be an honor!

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  • 82. TomTallis  |  August 20, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Whereabouts you live???

    Who edited this?

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  • 83. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Report on yesterday’s protest in West Hollywood:
    http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/queer-town/protesters-rally-in-west-holly/

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    • 84. nightshayde  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:22 pm

      My straight cubicle-mate and her 13-year-old son were there last night. She said it was amazing to just feel the love of the protesters and the support of the people driving by & honking their horns.

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    • 85. Straight Grandmother  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:27 pm

      Good protest. I could not help noticing how stylish/hip (whatever the current word for “hip” is) all the protestors looked. Oh yeah, Hollywood.

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      • 86. nightshayde  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:31 pm

        Gonna be nit-picky here for a moment.

        It was actually West Hollywood, which is an independent city (and a very gay-friendly city, too) — not Hollywood, which is part of Los Angeles & not a city in its own right.

        It’s one of those things that people around here know, but that most people outside the area don’t know.

        West Hollywood is AWESOME. =) If you see someone mention WeHo in discussions here, he/she is referring to West Hollywood.

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      • 87. carpoolcookie  |  August 20, 2010 at 4:38 pm

        Do you live here, too, NightyNight-Shade?

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  • 88. Dalow  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    I’d like to suggest that the “Editors” compile a list of attorney figures, law students and/or clerks who could, as they are available, periodically explain the legal mechanisms that appear frequently, and as soon as possible after an event. There has been an almost explosion of guesses, speculation, and rumor about stays, standing, and more during these past months. It would be great to have authoritative analysis of these things (perhaps even in a “sidebar” to the blog) so that folks could get good answers about what to expect from the legal system. Kathleen has done extremely well as has BeDevine.

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    • 89. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:16 pm

      To be clear: my posts are always just my opinion and are as much guesses and speculation as anything else — just in case you missed that notice. :)

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      • 90. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:36 pm

        Your guesses and speculations have allowed me to sleep reassured on many a night Kathleen…you are a God send to this site and this movement.

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      • 91. AndrewPDX  |  August 20, 2010 at 4:11 pm

        I agree with Mark… Your comments and opinions have been very helpful to us in understanding what’s going on. Even if it’s just to ask some other expert a question, you say it in terms that we can (usually) grasp.

        Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
        Andrew

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  • 92. Straight Grandmother  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    I would be remiss if I did not throw AndrewPDX’s name into the hat. He is a consistent contributor and a good writer. And he also has a good sense of humor, I enjoy reading writers who insert some humor into their writing now and then.

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  • 93. Trish  |  August 20, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    I appreciate the few nominations but I’m going to also take myself out of the running. Besides, I’m much better at answering questions than finding things to talk about.

    But I will cast my vote for Rob Tisinai. He says everything that I want to say, only better.

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  • 94. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    UPDATE: Plaintiffs’ and P-Is’ motion for extension of time to file a bill of costs until 30 days after all appeals become final. Although Doc 729 filed 8/17/2010, encompasses a request for an extension “in an abundance of caution and for avoidance of doubt” Plaintiffs and P-I file this motion.

    I’ve only glanced at this – but it appears to be a motion to make clear that Plaintiffs and P-Is are asking for an extension of time BOTH to submit their costs AND to submit a motion for attorney’s fees.

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    • 95. Cat  |  August 20, 2010 at 5:20 pm

      If the plaintiffs win, is it likely they are indeed allowed to recover their expenses from the D-Is? That would be a double whammy for the D-Is… Draining their campaign funds sounds good to me!

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    • 96. Jennifer Gail  |  August 20, 2010 at 5:33 pm

      Thank you Kathleen!

      One of the things that I have noticed in reading the recent documents filed by Our Side is how beautifully even the really short ones are written. They are always clear and to the point, where I have great difficulty following the Other Side’s prose.

      With this particular issue, it seems to me that this extension of time would actually be a good thing for both sides — since surely both sides are going to have to do the accounting/billing/financial keeping track stuff anyway, no? Yet the D-I’s sound downright petulant in their statement objecting to the motion.

      I have to say also that Olson’s 35 pages in response to the 75 of the D-I’s was an absolute masterpiece of writing. I particularly noted very clever use of abbreviations and short, clear references, making single sentences and phrases neatly carry large, clear concepts, where the D-I’s document was fuzzy and very hard to follow what they were actually trying to say.

      (For context – I am a technical writer/editor, used to dealing with engineering-types, but I also write poetry & stuff, so the whole putting words together thing is of major interest to me. I am not a lawyer :-).)

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      • 97. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 5:44 pm

        Yes, the difference in styles is remarkable.

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    • 98. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 5:40 pm

      This seems to come straight out of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. It looks like the prevailing party is allowed to recover costs. In addition to these costs, the prevailing party can make a motion, asking the court to award it attorney’s fees, but the motion has to be submitted within 14 days of the judgment.

      This series of motions has to do with Plaintiffs (and P-Is) asking the court (1) for additional time to submit their accounting of costs, (2) for additional time to submit the motion for attorney’s fees, and (3) to expedite the decision on these requests, a request that includes shortening the time Proponents have to respond to the request.

      Without the extensions, the motion for attorney’s fees (and maybe also the accounting?) will be due late next week.

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      • 99. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 5:41 pm

        Meant to add… P’s and P-Is are asking for the new deadline to be 30 days after all appeals.

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      • 100. Cat  |  August 20, 2010 at 7:20 pm

        @Kathleen: thanks for the detailed info!

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  • 101. AndrewPDX  |  August 20, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Thanks for all your hard work, Adam! Hope you still pop in and comment now and then :)

    As for new writers, I’d have a hard time nominating just a few of my fellow P8TT’ers… I love reading everybody’s comments.

    I like the idea of having some with expertize in certain areas have front-page. Maybe ‘comedy’ Mondays, “How Sue C’s it” on Tuesdays, etc. Maybe columns like:
    — Richard and BZ for a thorough analysis of Old Testament quotes
    — Anonygrl for continuations of the “OneBus” stories
    — Ann C and Kathleen and such for lawyerese translations in layman’s terms
    — Straight Grandmother for international news

    I like the idea of more than just a handful of contributors; having a cache of submissions for day-to-day stuff as we count-down to the appeal and then special bulletins when news comes in.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    Andrew

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    • 102. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 20, 2010 at 7:41 pm

      Thank you, Andrew. I am working on the hard copy of my application information. And yes, especially when it comes to anything from the Torah, the Prophets and the other writings commonly known as the Old Testament, I would have BZ here for any questions.

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  • 103. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  August 20, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    OT…sort of :-)
    Yahoo story on Target and Best Buy

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100820/el_yblog_upshot/shareholders-weigh-in-on-target-and-best-buys-political-giving

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  • 104. Sheryl, Mormon Mother of a wonderful son who just happens to be gay  |  August 20, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Since many revolving writers is not feasible at this time and most people nominated have excused themselves, I’ll give my vote to those who have shown an interest: Richard, Shelly, Rob, IT, and Straight Grandmother. And, whenever anyone wanted to submit an “article”, they could do so and be featured as a guest writer.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

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  • 105. IT  |  August 20, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    I recommend Rob Tisinai, for sure.

    Here is one of my posts that ties in with my interest in science:

    http://gaymarriedcalifornian.blogspot.com/2010/06/talking-about-sex.html

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  • 106. Felyx  |  August 20, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Wow! All these nominations for Kirill and me are really affirming! Actually, just to see that all of us are such a community is in itself really affirming as well.

    I don’t think that between the two of us we would be able to contribute much (in the way of two articles a week) but certainly we will submit a piece every now and again for consideration. Maybe if we send in something interesting enough then perhaps it might get posted on an off-day.

    We love you all!

    Felyx and Kirill

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    • 107. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  August 20, 2010 at 6:12 pm

      Forgot to subscribe, so I’ll do that underneath my beloved one’s comment! :*

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  • 108. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  August 20, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    I can’t believe Lesbians Love Boies was mentioned only once or twice!  Her links and videos, along with interesting commentary, totally deserve a proper recognition.

    Also, I think Kathleen deserves to have way more nominations.  I guess, people have already forgotten how everybody was “terrorizing” her expecting her legal commentary on DOMA decisions back in July.  As a proud P8TT-lurker from the very beginning of Prop 8 trial in January and a somewhat active commenter since the end of February, I’ve grown to love and respect Kathleen and her wonderful legal commentary which is very important in our legal struggles as Prop 8, DOMA and DADT challenges grind through the court system.  I am fairly certain Kathleen is the best candidate for this job, she knows what people in comments want to know, and she can address those issues on a professional level! [—] And, of course, at this point I’ve read the bad news: Kathleen bowed out.  Sad, very sad.  Still, I’m not deleting my well-deserved compliments to Kathleen just because they are really well-deserved.  I hope she will think about participating once again.

    Rob Tisinai — honestly, didn’t expect to see him interested in this endeavor (‘cause he has a blog of his own), but since he is interested, I wholeheartedly support this nomination: I absolutely love the videos Rob produces, and you can tell that his journalistic talent is something that we all can benefit from here on P8TT!

    All in all, I’m astounded at how modest and timorous everybody is being to quickly bow out and suggest that there is always someone better to do this job for the benefit of so many people who read this blog every day.  This is the real face of those damn sinners that will go to hell for their views, America!  If you still believe it…

    — ♂KF

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  • 109. draNgNon  |  August 20, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    One – I’d like to see Straight Grandmother in there, she writes well and has a refreshing perspective.

    Two – is there any chance of recruiting a guest writer from Massachusetts to provide us with periodic front page updates on the cases there. It’s wonderful having a place to track these updates on prop 8 but we are all aware the outcome is not going to operate in an isolated environment. And those of us who can’t always read all the comments would like a resource to see what’s up elsewhere.

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    • 110. adambink  |  August 21, 2010 at 10:56 am

      Thanks for the suggestion. I don’t think the writer needs to specifically be from Massachusetts, but I agree with the need to cover the DOMA cases. Rest assured it’ll be something we try and keep an eye on. I’ve done a lot of writing on the case at my home blog, OpenLeft.com.

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  • 111. Anonygrl  |  August 20, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Wow! I was busy at work all day so I could not pop in, then I went out to dinner with a friend… came home and found my name all over the place. I am very flattered! And a little bit scared about the idea of trying to even think about filling in for Adam who has done such great work!

    Thanks to all who nominated me. I am actually interested (I was interested when I was reading Adam’s post, but thought “who would nominate me?”). I will put some stuff together for consideration.

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  • 112. Papa Foma  |  August 20, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Two cents from the old man —
    One– stop looking for just a writer — make him/her an editor
    Two — Allow submissions from among all the nominees and others who wish to express themselves.
    Allowing multiple contributors will expand what we get In points of view.
    I second all the nominations to date, and while understanding everyone’s excuses, am sad that more of you are not willing or able to accept. THAT’S why I think you should all participate as non-regular (irregular sounds like bowels) writers! PF

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  • 113. truthspew  |  August 20, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    I think a lot of what you’ll find is people who already write on their own blogs. Having been invited on other blogs I demurred because my blog suffered.

    As if the Facebook effect isn’t enough to make me painfully aware that I should post something a little longer on the blog.

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  • 114. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Any chance we could convince straight ally Sagesse to apply? She consistently turns up unique and insightful references and offers intelligent and thought-provoking comments to accompany them. I’d love to see her contributions here.

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    • 115. Sagesse  |  August 23, 2010 at 6:32 pm

      Hi all.

      I’ve been AWOL this past week or so. Recovering from an unplanned procedure to repair a detached retina in my left eye, which will take a couple of weeks to heal. Meantime, I can read, sort of, since my right eye is clear, but the blurring in my left eye makes it an effort to engage the conversation, so I’ve been lurking at P8TT. I’m mostly ok otherwise… the procedure isn’t painful.

      Thanks, Kathleen, for the nomination to write for the blog, I appreciate the thought. I do write professionally from time to time, but like others, don’t have the time to make a two-items-per-week commitment and do a good job of it. The main limitation for me is doing the research. I don’t have a problem in a comment saying ‘I read somewhere’, or ‘so-and-so says something like this’, with a disclaimer that I’m going from memory. Can’t do that on the front page.

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      • 116. Ann S.  |  August 23, 2010 at 6:34 pm

        Oh, Sagesse, I had that procedure — not fun. I hope you’re getting all the follow-up care you need. I don’t remember the blurring you’re describing, but it’s been several years since I had that. Take care!

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  • 117. Anonygrl  |  August 20, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    I second, third, fourth or fifth as necessary bunches of nominations I see here…
    Kathleen. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan). Rob Tisinai. Sheryl, Mormon Mother has some very interesting perspectives, I would love to hear more of. Felyx and Kirill. Straight Grandmother, and I would HAPPILY edit her typos for her, if she wanted. Lesbian Loves Boies. Ann S. Bob, who I don’t always agree with, but who is always extremely passionate!

    I know there are others, and I know some of these have said they can’t. But I have loved reading stuff from each and every one of you, and part of the joy of coming in here is that there is always something new popping up from some new attendee, or from a lurker who decides to chime in, and it is all wonderful!

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    • 118. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 20, 2010 at 8:56 pm

      Thank you, Anonygrl. And I would totally love to see you here as one of the bloggers!
      And for the record, I just finished my application email and sent it in less than two minutes ago.
      To whoever is chosen, CONGRATULATIONS!

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  • 119. Sara O  |  August 20, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    To my prop 8 friends,

    You don’t really know me. I have been relatively quiet through this ordeal. I have voraciously read eveyr comment and post, but never much comment. I don’t have much to say that isn’t said more eloquently than what someone else has already said.

    However, I am now seeking your help. I just had a “courageous conversation” with a friend of mine and it actually went really well. (he’s a thinker, but also really religious). He wants to know of some reliable studies he can get his hands on regarding: children of same-sex couples, divorce rates in countries that have legalized same-sex marriage, etc. Can you help me? They need to be reliable and peer-reviewed, etc.

    I have encouraged him to read the transcripts of the prop-8 trial and such, but I would like to point him to actual scientific studies.

    Anything?

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    • 120. Sara O  |  August 20, 2010 at 8:31 pm

      Ug… reading my grammar in the previous post reminds me of why I never post anything….

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      • 121. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  August 20, 2010 at 9:00 pm

        SAra O–we don’t worry about grammar and all that in the comments, only when the front page posts go up. Or unless it is one of the trolls who mess up so badly that they make themselves unintelligible.
        Welcome to the family. I will try to find the links you are requesting, but they are so scattered throughout the posts and also referenced in the trial transcripts, that it may take me some time. That being said, if someone finds these links before I do, I hope they will not wait on me, but just go ahead and post them. We are here for you, and I for one am so glad that you have had that courageous conversation and that it went well.

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      • 122. Sara O  |  August 20, 2010 at 9:20 pm

        Hi Richard!

        Thanks for the encouragement. I was surprised by how much courage it actually took to have that “courageous conversation”. I wouldn’t say that it was as hard as coming out to my parents, but it was definitely up there. If you do think of some great links, I would really appreciate it. I really do feel like this particular friend is in the “movable middle”, and I’d like to shove him over to our side.

        I really appreciate the encouragement. I generally live my life in the background (in all respects), and stepping forward and declaring myself is rough.

        Thanks,
        S

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      • 123. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 9:24 pm

        I think Harvey would be proud. :)

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    • 124. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 8:39 pm

      Here’s the first source that comes to mind:
      http://people.virginia.edu/~cjp/publications.html

      Also, check with the Williams Institute at UCLA – they have a number of studies posted at their website.

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      • 125. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 8:39 pm

        And congrats! on the courageous conversation.

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      • 126. Sara O  |  August 20, 2010 at 9:16 pm

        Hi Kathleen!

        Thanks! This is an excellent start. I know that they are out there, I’ve just been out of academia for long enough that I don’t even know where to start. This is a great starting point. If you think of anything else, I would love to hear it. Ideally, I would like to send him an email with a barrage of links to reliable, un-biased (as possible), scientific, repeatable studies).

        S

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      • 127. Kathleen  |  August 20, 2010 at 9:27 pm

        If all else fails, evidence from the trial is available in a zip file here. It just mean going through the large number of files to find the useful ones:
        https://ecf.cand.uscourts.gov/cand/09cv2292/evidence/index.html

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    • 128. IT  |  August 20, 2010 at 8:54 pm

      Good for you broaching the subject!

      There are a lot of resources on the children issue, showing that kids do fine with SS couples. I’ve assembled a list of them here:
      http://gaymarriedcalifornian.blogspot.com/2010/08/debunking-myth-that-kids-do-better-with.html
      The studies the bad guys usually point to compare single parents to married parents–none of which are relevant to gay parents.

      I don’t off hand know of a divorce study of other countries. However, Massachusetts has one of the lowest rates of divorce of US states: here
      http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/divorce-rates-appear-higher-in-states.html

      One thing also worth noting is what happens to marriage when the gays are given a “lesser” form of union. In France, they have civil unions (PACS) and marriage. Gays are limited to PACS, straights can do either. marriage is suffering.
      http://gaymarriedcalifornian.blogspot.com/2009/09/marriage-lite-lessons-from-france-and.html
      and in Austria, gay couples sued for the right to marry while straight couples sued for the right to have a “lesser” relationship:
      http://gaymarriedcalifornian.blogspot.com/2010/07/marriage-lite-again.html

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  • 129. Bryan  |  August 20, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    I’d love to join up (I could really use the EC to transfer to UCLA next year) but I don’t know if I have a whole lot of.. comments I can use. I’ve commented a lot on Propeller but most of my good comments are too far back to retrieve easily. I might have a few posts from CollegeConfidential.

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    • 130. adambink  |  August 21, 2010 at 10:58 am

      We’re looking for a bit lengthier material, e.g. posts or something 700-800 words you’ve written elsewhere. Comments sometimes don’t offer much insight into writing. Thanks!

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  • 131. Tracy  |  August 20, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    I am straight, and like Ted Olson, I believe that marriage is marriage — reclassifying it as SSM or interracial marriage or any other variant of marriage, does not change or redefine it. I know this thread is focused upon finding a writer. I am diverging from that topic because I didn’t find an active thread that was related to the comment that I wanted to make.

    That comment is this: it is a tragedy that we live in a world in which people’s views are shaped by the prism through which they view the world. And that prism, in turn, is shaped by their experiences, their religion, the opinions of their family and friends, and in many cases, a visceral impulse that compels them in one direction or another.

    We try to use logic to convince Prop 8 proponents that SSM is a constitutional right, and we do so via a myriad of defensible and legally grounded arguments. But their prisms twist the arguments into something completely different – senseless chatter that they can readily dismiss, and their counter-arguments are similarly transformed into wisdom in their eyes … “common sense” as they have often stated.

    For some, the prism cannot be altered, and the arguments will forever fall on deaf ears. What matters are the arguments that the judges hear — most of them have been properly trained to view arguments through a window rather than a prism; only they can see the real truth. And they WILL, as did Judge Vaughn and Ted Olson, who are generally considered conservative.

    Try not to hate those who see the world through a prism of bigotry — to them it is truth; they know not what they do.

    We are the deliverers, and will bring this beloved country into a new future.

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    • 132. Dpeck  |  August 20, 2010 at 9:45 pm

      Hi Tracy,

      Thanks! I really appreciate all of the posts here that prove how many supportive straight people there are who are willing to speak up and share their perspective on the issue of equal marriage rights. Reading these kinds of posts over the past several months has helped me get beyond an ‘us versus them’ mentality and to see that us LGBT folks are not alone in this fight.

      I like a lot of what you said and I like your prism and window analogy. Although I may not agree with the last statement about us being the deliverers. At least not me personally. I’m just a regular guy who wants a boyfriend and equal rights.

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      • 133. Tracy  |  August 20, 2010 at 9:58 pm

        Thank you for your response – I crave the opportunity to make a difference for someone, however small.

        Dpeck, every American who has ever made a difference was once a regular guy or a regular gal who just wanted equal rights. And individually, they could not have accomplished their goals — it is the combined voices of the oppressed that are heard and appreciated. Yours is one of those voices, without which, justice would go unrealized. Bless you for making your voice heard, and God willing, your rights will be duly upheld. :-)

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      • 134. Tracy  |  August 20, 2010 at 10:08 pm

        And as an aside … I am glad to hear that you are realizing that you have many allies beyond the LGBT community. You do. Many have not spoken up yet, but more will in time. The principles upon which our country is founded speak to the spirits of every American, despite their individual prejudices. That is why interracial marriage, once eschewed, is now almost universally accepted. Time is the best teacher; it is simply unfortunate that time is limited by… time….

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  • 135. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 21, 2010 at 12:08 am

    I am a programmer/designer/artist and math is my biggest asset. So, I am out of the mix of one who could be considered for a trial tracker writer. I will always keep up with the articles and videos as time permits.

    I would like to offer another idea to this new venture for Courage Campaign. There are many individuals that we already know here and I think it would be great to get to know them better. It would be great if once a week one of the articles could be about one of the trial trackers. I personally want to know everyone’s history, triumphs, downfalls and personal stories. This is an archive of marriage equality…and what better than to learn about all of you.

    I remember the first time I got AIDs tested in 1987 – and I was scared – the one night stands…oye. Everyone has a story, a past, a desire, a final moment that made them decide standing up was worth the pain, suffering, humiliation and happiness.

    Just a thought for CC to consider.

    This isn’t just about current events, but us as a whole. We all matter, we all count and we all are affected by the outcome of marriage equality.

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  • 136. JonT  |  August 21, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Thanks to those who nominated me, but like others, I don’t really want any new deadlines in my life :)

    I haven’t read all of the comments yet, so some of the people I’ll nominate may have already declined (damn you Kathleen :), but I’ll nominate you anyways.

    Kathleen and Ann S, for their legal eagle-ing.

    Fiona and Richard for their bible wrangling and knowledge.

    Anonygrl for her great writing style and humor. Can’t wait to see the completed One Man, One Woman, One Bus screenplay.

    Sagesse and LLB for finding the most amazing links and stories hidden in the depths of the Internets.

    Trish for legal knowledge and great writing.

    nightshayde, good writer.

    Rob Tisinai — I like his blog postings.

    I’m sure there are others I’m missing.

    I also like nightshayde’s suggestion of allowing commentors to occasionally submit an article to the p8tt staff for consideration to be perhaps ‘sponsored’ by a p8tt admin/editor for a post on their behalf.

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  • 137. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 21, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Everyday one day be so wonderful. Here is Congratulations to all..one day!

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  • 138. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 21, 2010 at 1:12 am

    David Welch doesn’t know what is what! You go Christan!

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    • 139. Straight Grandmother  |  August 21, 2010 at 2:15 am

      LLB- Absolutly GREAT Find. I am going to go over to YouTube and save this as a favorite. You dun good girl :)

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    • 140. Ray in MA  |  August 21, 2010 at 6:02 am

      WOW. JFK speaking about the separation of church and state in 1960… if only people had listened back then.

      If Obama had said the same before running for office, I don’t think he’d be where he is today.

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      • 141. Kathleen  |  August 21, 2010 at 8:13 am

        Much was made of the fact that JFK was a Catholic. There was fear that his first allegiance would be to the Pope, rather than the USA. So during his campaign, he spent a lot of time reassuring people that matters of personal faith did not determine civil law.

        My, how times have changed. Sigh..

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  • 142. Tony Douglass in CA  |  August 21, 2010 at 10:06 am

    I love the idea of pulling the next contributor from the P8TT community, it is the next evolution of this site.

    We have all love your style. As a blogger, Adam, and I think we also eyeing you as a standard to achieve, now that one of us will be chosen as your successor, they are very big shoes to fill!!

    There have Been a lot of suggestions to open the position up to more than one person, and to allow “guest bloggers”, I wholeheartedly agree with this suggestion.

    Adam, you have stated several times that this is not feasible, for various reasons. Since, the direction of this site is moving towards community contribution, I respectfully request a more detailed response to this question, so we understand the reasons behind the rules, so we can better direct our energies.

    Thank you so much for your leadership, it will be a standard to be strived for.

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    • 143. Straight Grandmother  |  August 21, 2010 at 10:39 am

      Me Too Tony! And I commend you for couching it in being “respectful.” The ideal situation is to have a regular blogger BUT then have a list from all of us and as guest bloggers. Start at the top f the list and work down. The primary bogger could be responsible for coordinating this. I have a sense that Eden & Rick et al are not keen to this idea because of the logistics involved. I could be wrong but this is my sense.

      Instead of having one blogger submit 2 blogs per week, have them submit one and edit (own the publishing aspect) of our guest bloggers who also submit at least 2 per week utilizing 2 different bloggers from amoung us.

      Come on, think outside the box guys. I am chomping to go, but can’t take the responsibility of keeping this up on a deadline. And I know others are as well. Unleash Kathleen, unleash us we are your greatest asset.

      P8TT would not be where you are today if it were not for us posters bringing in our diversity in our comments. TRUST! If you think you were good before (and you were) you can be even better. Just think how hard each of us guest bloggers will work on our “one” article. Think of the extra effort we will put in knowing that we are not saddled with this weekly.

      Sometimes Rick & Eden ya gotta take a leap of faith. Do you beleive in us or not???? Just have a sign up list and give us our dates. Have your main blogger manage us. The main blogger can be the person with access to the website with logins etc. We submit to the main blogger.

      When leading a large organization you have to learn to give up control and delegate and concurently manage. If there is ever anything you dont’ like you have the power to pull it.

      I can’t wait to write my one article, but no way can I sign up for the responsibility of always contributing. My husband and I own an olive farm, we are farmers. We have work to do, work that sustains us ,that provides our income. I would never sign up for anythign that I didn’t deliver and that is the situation of a lot of people here.

      See I don’t give up easy. That is why I am successful in business and in life (said humbly). This is obviouly the best solution, all you have to do is come forward and identify the constraints.

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      • 144. IT  |  August 21, 2010 at 1:49 pm

        Why not have one slot a week that is a community member’s contribution. That way you don’t dilute the “voice” too much but you keep some diversity there.

        You could assemble a “stable” of recommended writers, and they are each responsible for one post every 6-8 weeks (unless something really catches their eye).

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