Gaga, Reid, DADT converge at the intersection of pop and politics

September 15, 2010 at 12:30 pm 87 comments

By Eden James

If you haven’t been following this week’s developments on the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, then you’ve probably been hiding in a cave.

After all, it’s in the bloodstream of not just the cable news channels but the entertainment shows as well, after Lady Gaga made it her mission to highlight DADT at the MTV Video Music Awards on Sunday night and turn over the front page of her web site to the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network.

As Yahoo reported:

“After the show aired, web searches soared on everything from “lady gaga guests” to “what does SLDN stand for”.

Then, after Gaga went on Ellen, it hit the Twitterverse and the news cycle extended again. Check out this Las Vegas TV news blow-by-blow of the tweeting lovefest between Lady Gaga and Senator Harry Reid, who promised to bring DADT to the floor for a vote next week, as a part of the larger Defense Authorization bill:

Perez Hilton then jumped on the Gaga bandwagon.

Just this morning, Lauren and Ellie, two female students from Colorado posted this YouTube video showing how they got all the guys in their dorm to call their Senator to ask him to vote for repeal. They showed, in a very adorable way, how easy it was for other students to make their voice heard, filling up the voicemail box of Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet — and inspiring other students across the country to do the same. All set to the sounds of Lady Gaga’s “Alejandro”:

And that’s just the tip of a very large iceberg of activism inspired by Lady Gaga’s move on Sunday. A great deal of credit goes to the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, which courageously decided to amp up the pressure on the Senate by moving out of the comfortable cul de sac of political activists and into the realm of pop culture. (Of course, it goes without saying that if it wasn’t for the hard work done for years by SLDN, Servicemembers United, Knights Out, the Palm Center and so many other organizations, institutions, and individuals — the list is endless — dedicated to the repeal of DADT this “tipping point” moment would not have been possible).

What we are witnessing is the accelerating convergence of pop culture and politics and a recognition by people as powerful as Sen. Reid that it can’t be ignored – and should be embraced. We saw a similar dynamic in 2008 after will.i.am produced the “Yes, We Can” video following Barack Obama’s defeat in the New Hampshire primary:

As Democrats have settled into power over the last two years, it seems like politicians have been cautious to avoid these kinds of convergences for fear of losing control of the message — at just the time when they had the ear of millions of people (voters) who don’t normally pay attention to politics.

If organizations and political leaders want to know how to change the political game board in the coming months, they would be wise to follow the inspired leadership of SLDN, Lady Gaga and Sen. Harry Reid.

What happened this week is a reminder of what is possible. And what happens next week will go a long way towards defining the political and cultural landscape that will shape not just the potential repeal of DADT but the environment in which the Prop 8 case is decided, especially if it reaches the Supreme Court.

UPDATE: And the new media feedback loop continues, as Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet just posted this YouTube video in response to Lauren and Ellie’s video above:

UPDATE: The “Gaga-inspired-student-calls-their-Senator” trend is picking up on YouTube. Check out this student calling Massachusetts Republican Sen. Scott Brown — and finding out that Brown is against the repeal of DADT… until the Pentagon issues its report in December:

Inspired? Call the Capitol Switchboard right now to talk with your Senator ASAP. As the video above shows, it just takes a minute of your time:

(202) 224-3121

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  • 1. Ronnie  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Rah Rah Rah ah ah…subscribing to this…. ; )
    <3…Ronnie

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    • 2. Alan E.  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:35 pm

      Tagging in.

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      • 3. Sagesse  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:39 pm

        There can’t ever be too much email…. right?

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      • 4. Ann S.  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:48 pm

        Tag, you’re it.

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      • 5. Anonygrl  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:58 pm

        Turk 182.

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    • 6. JonT  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:26 pm

      Skybird, this is Dropkick with a Red Dash Alpha Message in two parts. Break. Break. Red Dash Alpha.

      (subscribing :)

      Oh, and is it just me or does it seem like LG has done more for lgbt rights lately than our politicians? Hmm.

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      • 7. draNgNon  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:59 pm

        Lady Gaga is an entertainer. there is practically no such thing as bad publicity for her, unless she combines racial slurs with insults that piss off the Special Olympics.

        so she not only is risking very little, quite the contrary, people who would not have otherwise paid attention to her are now checking her out.

        the same is very much not true for politicians.

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      • 8. Mandy  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:02 pm

        She may be taking little risk by promoting lgbt rights but the fact that she is doing it at all is pretty awesome. As she doesn’t have to take time out of her insanely busy schedule to work on equality but she does and does it well.

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    • 9. Straight Grandmother  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:52 pm

      This is a GREAT topic to invite all the lurkers, you know who you are, reading and following along but hardly, if ever, contributing, this is the topic to come out on, and join in. We truly are always always looking for fresh insights and even if you just post “I agree” it is affirmation. This website gets way way more views than replies to topics so we know you are out there. Please don’t be shy, please join in. You are really wanted here. Plus since Ronnie was first he will be baking the cookies and you get a cookie if you join in.

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      • 10. Ozymandias71  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:09 pm

        And coffee! With MILK!!

        Love ya SG!

        Ozy

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      • 11. Ronnie  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:31 pm

        Listen…I have no recipes for cookies…so ya’ll getting Pillsbury chocolate chip…. ; )

        <3…Ronnie

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      • 12. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  September 15, 2010 at 5:40 pm

        And Rosh Hoshanah challah with raisins and honey!

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      • 13. Todd  |  September 15, 2010 at 7:33 pm

        Hi Straight Grandma! I’ve posted a few times here, even put up a video once of the impromptu parade in SF after Prop 8 was declared unconstitutional. I just left a message for Barbara Boxer. Diane Feinstein apparently doesn’t accept voicemail–her message said to call back during business hours.

        Ronny, if you want some rich cookies, I recommend doing a search for “tummy ache cookies.” It’s my recipe. :)

        Love,
        Todd

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  • 14. AndrewPDX  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Subscribing… a bit off topic, any more news on the Cali Lt Gov since he didn’t file an appeal during Ahnold’s absence?

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    Andrew

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    • 15. BradK  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:49 pm

      I suspect that this whole thing was a complete non-event. Lt. Governator Maldonado never indicated even the slightest interest. All it was was a media show incited by a failed right-wing pol, attempting to get some press and endear himself to the fringe element.

      In other words, it was over before it ever started.

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    • 16. Anonygrl  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:51 pm

      Some of the right wing folks were angry with him. Some suggested that the number of responses he got should somehow influence the courts to give standing to the Proponants (not really sure how that one shows any kind of legal saavy of any sort, but they are grasping at straws). Others have let it go, but overall, not much noise was made after the fact.

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    • 18. Judy  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:11 pm

      Lt. Gov. Maldonado’s quote in Sacramento Bee today:
      “Governor Schwarzenegger knows he has a trusted partner in the Capitol.”

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      • 19. Anonygrl  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:18 pm

        Good for him. He made the right political decision, even though he supports Prop 8. I’ll give him credit for doing that right. Thanks Lt. Gov.!

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      • 20. Straight Grandmother  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:37 pm

        Judy, thanks for closing that loop for me. It kind of puts a period at the end of a sentence. I was not aware of this until you posted it.

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  • 21. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    And once again I say, “GoGo, GaGa!” Excuse me, that will soon be Reverend GaGa!

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  • 22. Xandoz  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Makes me wonder what could be accomplished with the doing away DOMA if other celebrities rose to the occasion.

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    • 23. Straight Grandmother  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:41 pm

      Hey! You posted again, sweet :)
      Me too I wonder. Does anyone remember the huge multi artist envents. I remember Farm Aid, I think one for starving children, what were the toher ones? Can you imagine if lady GaGa (or is it Gaga?) could throw together something like that, and how the concerts played on all the tv stations at the same time.
      What was that one Michale Jackson was on, what song did he sing, oh yes wasn’t it “We are the World”

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      • 24. Xandoz  |  September 15, 2010 at 4:19 pm

        Yup, I am trying! Thanks for the continued encouragement SG :) As far as visibility is concerned, pratically no one I talk to even knows what DOMA is. It would be awesome to see people googling “(insert superstar here) DOMA” and get the knowledge out there of what a horrible, discriminating law it is.

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    • 25. Mandy  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:05 pm

      If we could get more people like Rob Reiner to devote time, effort, money and a great plan of action, I think we equality is right around the corner.

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      • 26. Gregory in SLC  |  September 15, 2010 at 5:10 pm

        I’m glad you mention the Reiner’s because they do VERY much! :)

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    • 27. Rev. Will Fisher  |  September 15, 2010 at 5:20 pm

      Maybe we need to get some non- Hollywood celebs involved. Some big macho pro athletes. Saints’ LB Scott Fujita?

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  • 28. Vaati  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Lady Gaga inspires many young folks here in Colorado. I’ll be making a call to Bennett and Udall as soon as I get my claws on a phone. My vote goes to who ever is supporting progressive rights, as I understand it, both of Colorado’s Senators are Democrats involved with progressive issues here. Contact your Senators, we have momentum and have to use it.

    Also, if you want to write to them, do it on paper! They may skim emails or not read them at all, but a piece of paper in your hand is something they’re more likely to hang on and pay attention to. Plus it’s more personal.

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  • 30. Mandy  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    I wonder if Gaga was always going to have dismissed DADT service members as her guests to the awards or was she inspired by the Log Cabin Republican’s win against DADT in the federal Court.

    Either way she rocks!

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  • 31. Chris From CO  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    I e-mailed my senator Micheal Bennet their office responded they expect the bill to go thru without a fillabuster, CO (Micheal Bennet) will be voting to end the DADT.

    I do want to ask a question i already did, it confused some people what i meant How many of the approx 13,500 were discharged under the Don’t Ask part of the policy, or were the 13,500 ppl all gay and lesbians discharged under the Dont Tell part? Just wondering if any one knows. It would be an interesting to see if all the discharges were gay and lesbians. I cant imagine with that many ppl being discharged not a single person asked a person if they were gay.

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    • 32. ChrisB  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:31 pm

      It’s always been my understanding that the “Don’t Ask” part applied to the military as an organization, as in, they can’t ask you at the recruiter’s office if you are gay, much like the famous scene in “Stripes.” nor can an officer ask you in his or her official capacity the same thing. In exchange, gay servicemembers were supposed to just not tell.

      So I would be surprised if anyone has been discharged for asking, since the response would seem be to just not answer and maintina the status quo. On the other hand, if a person tells, another person can’t unhear it, so it’s out there, so to speak, and becomes known information. I suppose the military could punish a servicemember for asking too strenously, or demanding an answer from a subordinate, but I’m not aware of it. It’s an interesting question.

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      • 33. JonT  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:38 pm

        It’s always been my understanding that the “Don’t Ask” part applied to the military as an organization, as in, they can’t ask you at the recruiter’s office if you are gay…

        This is correct. Applications used to have that question on them ‘Are you a homosexual?’.

        So, the regulations prohibit someone from asking you if you are gay, in theory.

        I have never heard of anyone being discharged for asking someone if they were gay.

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      • 34. Steve  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:52 pm

        There have been many cases in which investigations were handled inappropriately and commanders asked if someone is gay after some other information or accusations reached them.

        The investigative agencies like NCIS, CID and OSI are also infamous for this kind of thing. DADT was supposed to stop the witch hunts that mainly targeted lesbians. They got one gay or lesbian person and then literally extorted them into giving up others (by either threatening punishment or promising leniency). But that kind of thing went on for a couple of years and only started to disappear in the late 90s.

        Lt. Col. Victor Fehrenbach is the latest example where both OSI and his CO bungled the investigation in several ways.

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      • 35. Dave P.  |  September 15, 2010 at 4:53 pm

        EXACTLY. It has universally been a situation where someone in the military violates DADT by ASKING someone if they are gay, and then instead of that person who did the asking getting in trouble for violating DADT, the person who was asked gets kicked out. DAMMIT.

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      • 36. Gregory in SLC  |  September 15, 2010 at 5:18 pm

        I can imagine that a LOT of inappropriate “sorting out gays” occurs in the military by homophobic persons. It reminds me of “A few good men” where Jack Nicholson is justifying the extreme razing that led to the death of a cadet. This movie doesn’t seem too far fetched after reading the Horrible treatment of our service men and woman related to DADT lawsuit.

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    • 37. JonT  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:35 pm

      I too contacted Bennet. But, I still haven’t heard whether mccain intends to go through with his promise of a filibuster. I guess we’ll see.

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    • 38. Steve  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:43 pm

      ALL “don’t ask” means is that they don’t ask anyone at enlistment anymore. Prior to DADT, when you signed the contract you had to check a box that said that you aren’t gay and never had sex with someone of the same gender. Prior to the 80s, they could charge you with fraudulent enlistment if you lied there.

      Otherwise, no one has even been punished for asking if someone is gay. Interestingly, no one has ever been punished for not turning in gay service members. Not even commanding officers. Most follow the law if information is brought to them via official channels, but there are many instances where COs quietly look the other way in order to keep their units intact. That’s just the reason why it’s enforced so arbitrarily and selectively. It all depends on the people you deal with.

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      • 39. AndrewPDX  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:48 pm

        Hm… there are many instances where COs quietly look the other way in order to keep their units intact.

        So, would you say that DADT is not only unnecessary for Unit Cohesion, but is in fact detrimental to that touted reason that McCain et al keep spouting?

        I would love to hear them try to spin that logic.

        Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
        Andrew

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      • 40. Steve  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:59 pm

        Of course it hurts unit cohesion. At least the social cohesion part. Task cohesion not so much.

        It forces people to keep their whole private lives secret, lie about it and make excuses for why they don’t want to talk about certain things. They don’t share in these conversations and often don’t take part in the units’ social functions.
        All that in environment where people are even encouraged to share these things and know everything about each other. It puts up artificial walls between people and others can easily pick up on that to some extent.

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      • 41. Steve  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:03 pm

        Oh, there are also a couple of anecdotal reports that what hurt cohesion and performance is discharging some people. Either because they were well liked or had critical skills that were vital for the unit’s performance. Either by being very good at their job and being replaced by someone worse, or by not being able to be replaced easily (for example in the case of translators who take about two years to train are always in short supply. Yet many dozens were discharged).

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    • 42. Don in Texas  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:42 pm

      If superiors somehow received information that a servicemember was gay, theycould ask for verification from the “suspect.” In any event, an investigation would be launched ending with a recommendation to retain the servicemember or discharge him/here under DADT.

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  • 43. Richard W. Fitch  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    If you click to watch Lauren and Ellie’s vid directly on YouTube, you can also find a short response from Sen. Bennett addressed expressly to them. WOW! Next look for this pair of co-eds on Ellen’s show.

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  • 44. Eden James  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Sen. Michael Bennet just responded on YouTube to Lauren and Ellie from Colorado. I updated the post with it:

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  • 45. Felyx  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Speaking of getting legislation passed, Franck, a part of a bi-national couple just like Kirill and myself, posted a good comment on the previous and other posts.

    I appeal to all of you to make an effort to call Sen. Reid and your local state representation to add UAFA to the DAB. To be connected to your local state representation call (202) 224 3121. Please, we each just want our own Cheburashka!

    And another reminder of something I just posted in the other thread:

    Off-topic but extremely important to all bi-national same-gender couples and their supporters out there:

    (copy-paste from an e-mail sent by Kathy @ Out4Immigration)

    Yesterday it was reported that Sen. Harry Reid will be adding the DREAM Act to the Defense Authorization Bill (DAB) next week. The DAB will also include the Don’t Ask, Don’ Tell repeal amendment.

    If LGBT related and immigration related amendments are being added, why not UAFA, too? Please call Senator Reid’s DC office today and ask him to attach the Uniting American Families Act (UAFA; S. 424) to the DAB bill.

    Sen. Reid’s DC office: (202) 224-3542

    At the very least lets use this to re-awaken our fighting spirit to get UAFA passed this year! Yesterday we added 4 more co-sponsors in the House, bringing our total to 128.

    – Franck P. Rabeson

    Days spent apart from my fiancé because of DOMA: 1181 days, as of today.

    (1181 is just too many days! Please call!) Thank you, we love all of you! Felyx

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    • 46. Straight Grandmother  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:12 pm

      Felyx, Kevyn, & Franck, I am going to call both my Senators from Wisconsin and simply use our condo in Wisconsin address. Please everyone, as long as we are getting busy let’s not forget our own here who are forced to live apart in different countries.

      Doesn’t it kill you to read what Franck writes on the bottom of his e-mails, how many days he has been apart from his loved one?

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  • 47. Vaati  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    By Jennifer White: (thanks for the number)
    please call Senator Harry Reid’s DC office: (202) 224-3542 and ask him to include the Uniting American Families Act in the Defense Appropriations Bill scheduled to be voted on next week. There is limited time and this bill could easily be added as an amendment. This is act to call is supported… by Out4Immigration, one of our primary advocacy groups. Please call.
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42153.html

    This bill would help make it possible for bi-national couples to sponsor each other or at least here in the US, this directly concerns many people here who have partners abroad.

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  • 48. Straight Grandmother  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    I think Eden has his finger on the pulse of the nation. He is sensing it and so am I. I have to say that i never once listened to a Lady Gaga song but I knew of her and of course her popularity. Remeber how I have been saying that we have enough support, thta if we could only sway the movable middle our community would gain full equal rights and there would be a legal end to state sponsored DISCRIMINATION if only we had a Great GLBT Leader. Maybe Lady Gaga is that great lgbt leader I have been longing for, do ya think?

    I would have never guessed it, but it just might be her. Look at what she did making her entrance with those GLBT service (some former) members walking her in. I mean like WOW! It seems to me that we are just at that that tipping point and Lady Gaga (GaGa?) might be the one who propells this forward in fast forward. We don’t even relaly need that much, just 4 things.

    DADT
    Gender Neutral Marraige
    Immigration, Uniting Families Act to include GLBT’s
    ENDA

    Is Lady GaGa the great GLBT leader I have been waiting for?

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  • 49. Straight Grandmother  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Special note to Eden, this is a really great topic, well done!

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    • 50. Eden James  |  September 15, 2010 at 5:21 pm

      Thanks SG. Much appreciated!

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  • 51. Straight Ally #3008  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Effing Scott Brown. I’m sick of this pandering to the Religious Right in a state where marriage equality is the law. I’ve got a call to make and some credentials to throw around as best I can….

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  • 52. jbf  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    I’dc all my Senator, but he’s one of the Texas Bigots that will hangup on you for even mentioning DADT, or any LGBT issue or concerns, such as hate crimes or equal rights.

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    • 53. Straight Grandmother  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:35 pm

      jbf, please call both of them anyway. Don’t forget they work for YOU! Even if you don’t change their minds at least is a lot of people call them they will be squirming, make them squirm, please.

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  • 54. Richard Lulenski  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Kudos to the students who passed around the phone to contact Sen. Reid to repeal DADT. Thank You!

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  • 55. GeorgeA  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    I’ve been reading your comments for months and wanted to finally join in and say thank you! Thank you for your stories, some of which have made me cry others laugh both mostly inspire.

    My partner is here on an expired tourist visa. He has not seen his parents in 7 years and can’t go home to see his father who is not expected to live very long. It KILLS me to see the pain in his eyes after speaking to his family on skype. Knowing he probably won’t be able see his dad again… ALL BECAUSE OF DOMA. If DOMA did not exist we could marry and we could then travel to his country. DOMA has caused so much pain and anguish and has protected nothing. Why is it taking so long.

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    • 56. AndrewPDX  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:53 pm

      Welcome to the party George! Please, pull up a chair, grab some cookies, and pour yourself a large glass of MILK!

      I’m sooo sorry to hear about your husband’s family. You have my sympathies.

      I can’t wait until the day this backward country we live in can finally live up to the nickname of ‘Land of the Free’.

      Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
      Andrew

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    • 57. Straight Grandmother  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:01 pm

      GeorgeA, your story is indeed a sad one, please know that I am deeply sorry and ashamed that my country does this to you. Thank you for joining in, and a shout out to AndrewPDX who is one of our most welsoming members here. He is one who will always offer a new person a cookie and a kind word.

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      • 58. AndrewPDX  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:42 pm

        Aww, Shucks, Thanks SG *blushing now* :)

        Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
        Andrew

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  • 59. GeorgeA  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    AndrewPDX and Straight Grandmother Thank you for your warm welcome, and the cookies lol, and also for your empathy. . As i sit here sobbing i realize that you all have effected me in some way or another. please keep up the comments and thoughts as i am sure there are many of us who do not write but who are reading and are encouraged and warmed by them.. THANK YOU!

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  • 60. GeorgeA  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    oh…. and Felyx my heart goes out to you..

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    • 61. Felyx  |  September 16, 2010 at 4:56 am

      Wow, all the support. I can only hope! We are on such a role with DOMA and DADT… I just hope this one gets in too.
      Thank you GeorgeA… give your ‘Cheburashka’ a hug from all of us.

      Felyx

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  • 62. Owen  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    What’s with the guy in the last video. “I’m so glad I moved out of Massachusetts.”

    Uhhhh… O_o

    Yeah, they’re just horrible bigots in Massachusetts! It’s a shame they don’t love equality there like the rest of the U.S.!

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    • 63. Brandy S.  |  September 15, 2010 at 4:20 pm

      It seems like a flustered/shocked reaction to what he just encountered. I am sure he didn’t expect the response he got, and was responding to that gut reaction of anger and disappointment in general.

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      • 64. Owen  |  September 15, 2010 at 5:55 pm

        I think he’s just a deluded young person.

        And I’m saying that as a young person.

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  • 65. Stats Girl  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    I just called the North Carolina senators and left messages encouraging them to vote in favor of repealing DADT.

    The operator who answered the phone seemed a little frazzled (and took several rings to pick up), and I’m hoping (one can hope, right?) that means lots of people have been calling senators today! :)

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  • 66. Straight Grandmother  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Mille bisous, je vous remercie

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    • 67. Straight Grandmother  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:45 pm

      oops, this comment was to be for Stats Girl & GeorgeA, both of you. I messed up sorry…

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    • 69. AndrewPDX  |  September 15, 2010 at 4:23 pm

      This goes back to the earlier thread, where we discussed how the anti-equality types are so obsessed about sex. Seriously, they need some psychoanalysis a la Freud.

      Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
      Andrew

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      • 70. Alan E.  |  September 15, 2010 at 4:31 pm

        Especially the “shove down your throat” line. Do they not see the connection?

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    • 71. Ozymandias71  |  September 16, 2010 at 9:00 am

      Ray in MA, unfortunately this is a tone that is very common in Oklahoma (Republican) politicians.

      I’m sure you’ve heard about Sally Kern’s ‘Gays are worse than terrorists’ speech from 2 years ago. Despite the worldwide fallout, the Oklahoma Republicans refused to censure her – in fact she was PRAISED for her ‘bold, unflinching stance’ or something like that.

      I found this line particularly laughable:

      “The fear I have is that this is going to be shoved down our throat by the majority, and we can’t let that happen.”

      Ah, so you support majority rule ONLY when it supports your views, Mr. Inhofe? Hypocrisy deluxe!

      Honestly, I don’t see Oklahoma (as a state) adopting pro-LGBT legislation until absolutely forced to.

      Love,

      Ozy

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  • 72. Ray in MA  |  September 15, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    from:

    http://www.queerty.com/while-dadt-struggles-in-the-senate-australia-jumps-the-line-and-kills-ban-on-transgender-troops-20100915/#fin_anime#ixzz0zdwOXqKk

    And while all this is going on, Australia has managed to embarrass the United States as a bastion of 19th century thinking: Military chief Angus Houston yesterday issued an order that eliminated the armed forces’ ban on transgender troops — 18 years after Australia lifted its ban on gay soldiers, and two years after service members in same-sex couples.

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  • 73. Ray in MA  |  September 15, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Dance in the Dark Official Video – Lady Gaga – DADT
    (June 2010)

    victim of a brutal rape drug kidnapping and left for dead

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    • 74. Ray in MA  |  September 15, 2010 at 4:34 pm

      From SG:

      I have to say that i never once listened to a Lady Gaga song but I knew of her and of course her popularity.

      This one is for you.

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      • 75. Straight Grandmother  |  September 16, 2010 at 1:09 am

        Ray, Did you see that huge sign in the middle of the video, DADT IS DISCRIMINATION? Woo Hoo you know I loved that. We all shoud use the word Discrimination more, now 3 judges in the last 3 months have said in their ruling that it is Discrimination.

        This video is awsome, when did htis ocme out I wonder? Is this like an official Lady Gaga vido or is this where somebody took her song as the background and made thier own video?

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  • 76. Straight Dave  |  September 15, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Back in July when the Senate Armed Services Committee was considering the DADT repeal, I sent an email to my Senator Scott Brown (D-MA) urging him to support the repeal. I got a decent reply from him, which I appreciated. It was more detailed than the sort I typically receive from politicians.

    However, it did reveal his thought process enough to show me he really had his mind made up and can not be counted on. His logic was irrational, which makes me not trust him.

    He said “I do not support moving ahead until … we can be assured that a new policy can be implemented without jeopardizing the mission of our military”.

    But the terms of the bill under consideration explicitly require the consent of the Pentagon before a repeal can be enacted. So his expressed concerns would be fully addressed by approving the bill. My conclusion is that his position is nothing more than a typical politician wanting to retain some measure of control, which can later be bargained away for some other favor.

    This put me off Scott Brown, who had advertised himself as an independent-minded Republican who would keep the interests of his (heavily Democratic) constituents in mind. I don’t think the voters of Massachusetts are anywhere near in favor of retaining DADT.

    Even if he were completely sincere and intends to repeal DADT after the Pentagon review is complete, that vote would not take place until the new Congress was in place in Jan 2011, with a less favorable composition. If repeal fails at that time, but otherwise would pass in Sept, Brown will be hard pressed to explain how his actions supported his claim of favoring repeal. His pointless delay would have actually undermined the chances of repeal. Trying to have his cake and eat it too wins him no friends from this side of the aisle.

    —– Original Message —–
    From: Senator Scott P. Brown
    To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (me)
    Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:36 PM
    Subject: Thank you for contacting the Office of Senator Scott P. Brown

    Dear Mr. Wheat,

    Thank you for contacting me regarding the repeal of the law known as “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” As always, I value your input on this and other issues, and strive to keep you updated on the important issues facing us today.

    Current members of the military are required to abide by the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy that became federal law in 1993. This policy restricts the United States military from forcing service members to disclose homosexual or bisexual orientation, while barring those that are openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual from military service. In response to this policy, the Military Readiness Enhancement Act of 2010 (S. 3065) was introduced in the Senate on March 3, 2010, and referred to the Senate Committee on Armed Services where it was offered as an amendment to the Fiscal Year 2011 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). As a member of the committee, I voted against this amendment, which was ultimately approved by a vote of 16 to 12. Currently, the NDAA awaits further consideration by the full Senate.

    The service chiefs of the Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps sent individual letters to the Senate Committee on Armed Services expressing their support for not repealing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” until the Pentagon completes their ongoing review. I agree with the views expressed by the service chiefs and believe it would be premature to act on a repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” until Congress receives and analyzes the findings and recommendations of the Department’s report. I am keeping an open mind and I do not support moving ahead until I am able to finish my review, the Pentagon completes its study later this fall, and we can be assured that a new policy can be implemented without jeopardizing the mission of our military.

    Having served over 30 years in the military, I understand the sacrifices and efforts made by service members and their families. I commend the ability of our military to excel at the full spectrum of military operations, whether it be fighting the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan or providing humanitarian assistance in Haiti. As your United States Senator, I will do my best to ensure that the brave young men and women serving in our armed forces are provided the tools they need to ensure that our military remains the best in the world.

    Again, thank you for sharing your comments with me. I will keep your views in mind should the full Senate consider the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” or related legislation. If you have any additional questions or comments, please feel free to contact me or visit my website at http://www.scottbrown.senate.gov.

    Sincerely,
    Scott P. Brown
    United States Senator

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    • 77. Straight Ally #3008  |  September 15, 2010 at 10:27 pm

      It’s amazing that Sen. Brown’s head doesn’t explode from cognitive dissonance.

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  • 78. allen  |  September 15, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Can the number be used to contact your local representative? I need to chew out Dana Rohrabacher for his anti-gay history and his recent vote on DADT repeal.

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  • 79. C. Smith  |  September 15, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Think we can repeat this in november on a larger scale and keep the Dems in office?? Let’s make it a twittervote!!

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  • 80. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  September 15, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    VP Biden on Rachel Maddow just a few minutes ago saying that what he really wants WRT to DADT repeal is just to get it done! He would prefer a cannon shot to end it rather than the pussyfooting of the study and all the associated delays. Will post video once it is posted on msnbc’s site.

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  • 81. Kate  |  September 15, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    This Peacenik is suddenly very much in favor of a cannon shot.

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  • 82. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  September 15, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    VP Biden on Rachel Maddow this evening about repealing DADT:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#39204458

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  • 83. Lora  |  September 15, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    I know this is off topic…but this article made my blood boil.

    “Who’s a family? (Some people think it’s ok to count pets, but not same sex couples!)

    http://www.sacbee.com/2010/09/14/3030048/whos-a-family-new-study-tracks.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=131297#Comments_Container

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    • 84. Straight Grandmother  |  September 16, 2010 at 1:05 am

      Me too that p*sses me off.

      Reply
  • 85. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  September 16, 2010 at 2:54 am

    September 15. Vice President Joe Biden on The Rachel Maddow Show talks about the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”.  The vote is likely to happen next Tuesday (September 21).  Biden explains the senatorial voting process on the Defense Authorization Bill and the included provision to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.”  Vice President believes Republicans are going to fight against the repeal by trying to strike the provision from the bill first, and then by filibustering the bill, but he is sure Democrats have enough votes to block those attempts.  Maddow says best case scenario the policy will be finally changed by spring 2011.

    I couldn’t find this video on YouTube, but it’s worth watching (click the link above)!

    — ♂KF

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  • […] caught up in the far right-wing swing of the Republican primary. However, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told Lady Gaga (and the rest of us) that next week he’s bringing the Defense Appropriations Bill and the DADT […]

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  • 87. Chris From CO  |  September 16, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Doesnt the DOJ have to appeal by today in California over the DADT rulling.

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