#NOMtourFAIL Exposed: Alfonso Aguilar’s “Underpants Gnomes Theory”

October 1, 2010 at 11:36 am 115 comments

By Adam Bink

If any of you have watched South Park (or read some of my blogging at OpenLeft.com), you’ve heard of the Underpants Gnomes Theory, which basically describes a 3-step process in which one believes taking an action without a coherent theory of change will lead to a goal when in reality it will either lead to the opposite of a goal, or nothing at all. An example:

1. Sitting on your hands during this fall election to “punish” allies who haven’t accomplished all that you want on LGBT equality

2. ???

3. LGBT utopia!

I see Alfonso Aguilar has his own Underpants Gnomes Theory. Here’s Alfonso on the first day of the NOM tour in California, talking about why they’re there and what Republicans have to do to win Latino/a votes, by organizing against marriage equality, etc:

Key line in response to a question from Arisha on why Republicans aren’t doing well among Latinos:

As long as [Republicans are] out there, reaching out to Latinos, they will respond favorably because, as I said, they’re inherently conservative.

Hmm. Okay.

So here’s Alfonso’s theory of change:

1. Show up with a fancy bus with Spanish on the side, a famous Mexican actress, and plan 42 stops most of which (a) you either don’t show up to at all (b) no one comes to see you (c) the people present aren’t Latino

2. ???

3. Latinos voting Republican!

In reality, people aren’t stupid. Issues matter more than theatrics.

Entry filed under: NOM Exposed, NOM Tour Tracker-California, Right-wing, Videos.

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115 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:38 am


    • 2. bonobo  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:57 am

      Usins too.

      • 3. bonobo  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:10 pm

        Oh mannnnnnnnnn. I will never be able to look at my underpants (or anyone else’s for that matter) in the same way again.
        Gee thanks Adam, I think you may have ruined my love life (or whatever).

    • 4. Jonathan H  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:31 pm

      Subscribing. Lousy real life.

  • 5. Ann S.  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Hmm, must investigate underpants gnomes theory, clearly.

    • 6. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:53 am

      • 7. Ann S.  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:55 am

        It’s all completely clear now, thanks!

      • 8. Alan E.  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:13 pm

        I think this clip should have been in the original post to make it more clear to those who haven’t seen the episode.

    • 9. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:00 pm

      It is?

    • 10. adambink  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:44 pm

      @Alan Or, you could just read the link to my OpenLeft post or the link to the Wikipedia entry.

      • 11. Alan E.  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:48 pm

        Ahh I thought it was just a generic link to your blog, so I didn’t bother clicking on it or even hovering over it. I didn’t realize it was going to a more explicit explanation of the UGT.

      • 12. JonT  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:16 pm

        Is the UGT related to the GUT? :)


  • 13. Freddy  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Need more mail
    Sub me please

  • 14. Kathleen  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Suit brought by Alliance Defense Fund in Ohio challenging the city of Cleveland’s domestic partnership registry gets a unanimous smackdown from the Court of Appeals of Ohio.

    • 15. Kathleen  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:45 am

      and meant to subscribe

    • 16. Anonygrl  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:52 am

      I love that the court’s ruling on this makes it clear that domestic partnership is NOT marriage… leaving the way open and even more clear for a lawsuit to overturn the state’s discriminatory laws against marriage equality.

      • 17. Felyx  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:34 pm

        Anonygrl beat me to it. We get to keep what we have and still sue for more! H8TERS can bite it!

  • 18. Ronnie  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:43 am

    ROFL…..underwear gnomes…. X ) ….Ronnie

  • 19. Skemono  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:43 am

    As long as [Republicans are] out there, reaching out to Latinos, they will respond favorably because, as I said, they’re inherently conservative.

    Yes, you see, Latinos aren’t real people, with a diverse blend of cultures, beliefs, thought processes, and ideologies. They’re actually a genetically-engineered group of replicants designed to be conservative (socially and economically, and as the US defines that).

    • 20. Freddy  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:47 am

      Of course they are real people, didn’t you see the “2 or 3 of them” in the park at the end of the interview?

      • 21. Skemono  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:35 pm

        Sure, they look like people, but did you see anyone giving them the Voight-Kampff test?

    • 22. Jonathan H  |  October 1, 2010 at 4:56 pm

      So, what you’re saying is that the law needs illegal replicant reform?

      • 23. JonT  |  October 1, 2010 at 8:32 pm

        I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

        Good times, good times :)

      • 24. Kathleen  |  October 1, 2010 at 8:37 pm

        First BSG, and now this…. Oh, JonT, you really know how to set a girl’s heart all aflutter. ;)

      • 25. JonT  |  October 1, 2010 at 9:15 pm

        X’s and O’s Kathleen ;)

      • 26. Carpool Cookie  |  October 1, 2010 at 10:51 pm

        People once said I looked like Sean Young in Blade Runner.


  • 27. nightshayde  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:47 am

    I hate to say it — but there really are a lot of stupid people out there … and too many of them believe the theatrics rather than taking time to research issues on their own. How else would you explain the state of electoral politics across the Bible Belt?

    • 28. Carpool Cookie  |  October 1, 2010 at 10:55 pm

      Jimminy Christmas! You can’t just be noticing this NOW, cuddles???? I think it can be traced back to when they started cutting back on public education funding in the 1970’s?

  • 29. Anonygrl  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:47 am

    I had not heard the Underpants Gnomes Theory… but now that I have I will

    1. Vow to live by it.
    2. ??????
    3. Be richer than Bill Gates, happier than a clam and look like a supermodel.

    • 30. BK  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:58 am

      Gee… sounds like a plan! Sign me up!

  • 31. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 11:59 am

    “Part and PARCEL,” Alfonso, not “partial.”

    • 32. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:04 pm

      Alfonso (re people supporting them at this park): “They’re also over here (pointing beyond camera).

      Camera pans 360 degrees …….. no hay nadie.

      Anonygrl, be sure to use this in your video!

      • 33. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:08 pm

        Whoops – should be ALL over here.

      • 34. Dave T  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:34 pm

        “What the… they were there a second ago! Where’d they all go?”

  • 35. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Louis just posted to the facebook page:

    Protect Marriage: One Man, One Woman We welcome discussion and discourse on this page, but only with respect, no matter which side of this topic you stand. Belligerent and profane language will not be tolerated. Thank you.

    • 36. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:14 pm

      Neither will disagreement or reality.

    • 37. rf  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:15 pm

      I didn’t know “belligerent” was a synonym for “truthful”

    • 38. Alan E.  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:27 pm

      Descent will also not be tolerated on their page, too.

      • 39. Felyx  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:43 pm

        They only believe in procreation, not evolutions… leave descent out of it… try ‘Dissent’ instead. LOL

        Of course, considering the intelligence level of NOMbies, maybe they would actually mean descent! HAHAHAHA!!!!

      • 40. Alan E.  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:47 pm

        I guess they both are out of the question. Why oh why do we have to have words that sound exactly the same but have no common meaning?

      • 41. Ann S.  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:48 pm

        For Scrabble, of course.

      • 42. Anonygrl  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:51 pm

        LOL Ann. That made me giggle!

    • 43. Ronnie  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:31 pm

      hahahahah…they post that exact same thing over & over & over again on every single anti-gay page…..then delete the comments no matter what they say…if they are pro-gay or pro-eqaulity it gets deleted on every single page….They refuse to abide by Facebook Terms of services….

      Section 3:7…..You will not post content that: is hateful, threatening, or pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence.

      Section 3:10….You will not use Facebook to do anything unlawful, misleading, malicious, or discriminatory.

      Section 5:1….You will not post content or take any action on Facebook that infringes or violates someone else’s rights or otherwise violates the law.

  • 44. Sagesse  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    This Underpants Gnomes Theory clearly has potential.

    • 45. AndrewPDX  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:39 pm

      Yes… it looks like politicians have been using it in their campaign promises for years now.

      Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 46. John  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    I love it – NOM doesn’t expect “Crowds of 30 or 40 people” at every stop.

    I’m pretty sure I could hold a rally in support of the flat earth theory and get 30 supporters of the flat earth theory to show up, if I actually put some effort into promoting an event. I imagine if I actually talked sense (which NOM doesn’t), I’d probably get more.

    They can’t even do the wrong thing right.

    • 47. Felyx  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:49 pm

      Flat Earth Rally!!! I love it! If I promoted such a rally on the spur of the moment I guarantee I could get more people than this VotaScam!

      So funny John!

      • 48. fiona64  |  October 1, 2010 at 3:26 pm

        You did see the link I posted last week about the 1st Annual Conference on Geocentrism, right? I am not making this up; the conservatives are promoting an (expensive) conference that says the Church was right and Galileo wrong.



      • 49. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 3:29 pm

        “First Annual.” Ugh. Another of my pet peeves.

      • 50. bonobo  |  October 1, 2010 at 3:35 pm

        fiona, can you post the link again? Mom (and I) are all ears.

      • 51. fiona64  |  October 1, 2010 at 3:56 pm

        See also galileowaswrong dot com, which is the actual website for the conference.

        I wish I was making this up.


      • 52. bonobo  |  October 1, 2010 at 4:00 pm

        found it. Thanks Fiona. Mom’s looking at it now and laughing hysterically. She’s an Adament Atheist with Protestant/Catholic roots, except for that short jaunt into Rosecrucianism. Yes, we lived near San Jose at the time. Personally, I don’t do Mummies. Wrapped, unwrapped or anywhere in between.


      • 53. Felyx  |  October 1, 2010 at 5:22 pm

        The sad part is that the Geocentrism Rally will still attract more people than all NOM affiliated rallies combined!

    • 54. fiona64  |  October 1, 2010 at 3:54 pm

      It’s not letting me post anything with a full or partial URL right now. Try christwire dot org, which is the website where the conference is listed under “science.”


      • 55. JonT  |  October 1, 2010 at 8:36 pm

        @fiona64: ‘Try christwire dot org, which is the website where the conference is listed under “science.”

        Nice use of scare quote fiona! :)

  • 56. Soleil Golden  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Speaking as a supporter of this cause, and of gay marriage as a whole, I implore you- please try to report on this issue with a more professional attitude. A lot of the posts I’ve seen in this blog relating specifically to this tour have become much more negative and name-calling in feeling then the previous glowing examples of professional conduct.

    This is not a battle between people, but rather between ideals- please don’t let your hatred and scorn speak for you. They speak that well enough by themselves. Pointing and laughing at them only gives them ammunition to bring to their side of this issue.


    • 57. JonT  |  October 1, 2010 at 8:49 pm


      I can’t speak for anyone else here of course, but at least for me, I find it difficult to separate my feelings of sadness and anger over the deaths of 4 people last week from the sheer stupidity and hatefulness of these excuses for human beings.

      The deliberate and celebrated ignorance and disregard for their fellow human beings simply disgusts me.

      Their penchant for hiding their hatred behind their god pisses me off, though it must be oh-so-convenient for them.

      So please forgive me if I indulge in a little ‘fuck you‘ toward them tonight. Maybe after the beer wears off, I’ll try and smile (virtually speaking), but for tonight? Fuck ’em and the NOMbies they rode in on.

      • 58. Soleil Golden  |  October 2, 2010 at 9:11 am


        I totally understand where you’re coming from, but as you said earlier, you’re the only group covering this event, right? When you post hateful namecalling stuff like this just to make them angry, it does damage to your intended purpose here. What we need is something people on the fence can read to get a grasp of the human rights point of view in this story, and how they have nothing on their end. Stuff like this post is what makes those people turn up their nose at our efforts and more firmly join the other side.

        This is why I plead with you to be more professional in your reports and posts.

      • 59. Rhie  |  October 3, 2010 at 6:26 pm


        I can sort of understand what you are saying, but honestly, the tone argument isn’t really helpful. I also don’t believe that people on the fence will walk away just because of the tone. Those people would walk away anyway and are just using tone for their reason this time. Another time they would find another reason. If people are going to listen, they will, regardless of tone or words or source or whatever.

        This is a literal battle for the lives of our children. A little anger is justified.

    • 60. Bob  |  October 1, 2010 at 8:58 pm

      @Soleil if ya want to get a feel of where we are coming from with our outbursts and anger press on JonT name and read his blog re the price of hate.

      this is a battle between people over the lives of our youth

      • 61. Soleil Golden  |  October 2, 2010 at 9:17 am


        I do not need a feel of where this is coming from, I am a transgendered woman, and while this fight rages on, Trans rights are almost completely ignored. The first actual conviction of 1st degree murder and hate crimes for killing a transwoman for being trans was recorded less then a year ago (despite thousands and thousands of previous examples, which were let off the hook almost entirely because the “Shock” made them temporarily insane with hate). Believe me when I say, I know how you feel.

        Those feelings are meant for close friends or personal blogs- but not on the front running site for the only group covering this perfect example of conservative failure. What we need here is professional reporting of the facts at hand, not lulz and namecalling. The latter only convinces those on the fence to turn more firmly to the ideals of the conservative hate groups like this one.

        Ask your colleagues if you think my views aren’t shared by others in our organization. Most people with my viewpoints would rather ignore then speak up.

  • 62. Ronnie  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    New PSA from New Yorkers for Marriage Equality & HRC….<3…Ronnie

  • 63. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Okay, I can’t seem to post the article…

    But, in there is an Article in the San Jose Mercury News about the NOM tour stop today.

    • 64. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:46 pm

      And a quote from the article:

      “The dozen or so protesters, who met the bus at its scheduled stop at the Santa Cruz Mission, outnumbered supporters. They accused tour leaders of trying to mislead Latino voters and pointed, for example, to her support of Arizona’s new crack-down on illegal immigration.

      “We are here to unmask candidate Fiorina who in reality is not with the Latino community,” Erik Larsen, an SEIU organizer said in a statement.

      Fiorina faces incumbent Barbara Boxer in the Nov. 2 election. Polls suggest she’s slightly behind but within reach.”

  • 65. Daniel Morales  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    @TusValores Twitter update.

    Our “favorite” Barbara Boxer supporter. Watch what pro-life, pro-family rallies have to deal with from the other side: http://dlvr.it/6HqpB

    At the end of the video and a fantastic Karyme Lozano speech she finally talks one-on-one with a potential voter (a latino man) about “voting his values” . The gentleman really only wanted to know how to become a citizen ouch!
    Karyme passed the case to our ALFONSO.. Priceless!!

    • 66. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:55 pm

      Kudos to that brave equality/Boxer supporter!!!!!!

    • 67. Dave in ME  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:12 pm

      I have to say that this lone Boxer supporter did seem rather loud, rude, and disrespectful. Did she have to yell at the people and try to drown out the speaker? We would never tolerate the BS Brown people doing that to us-why is it okay for our supporters to do it?

      Dave in Maine

  • 68. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    The Trevor Project Asks All Americans for a Moment of Silence at 8pm ET, 5pm PT Tonight

    “Late last night, The Trevor Project learned of yet another young LGBTQ person who died by suicide. Raymond Chase was a sophomore at Johnson and Wales University in Rhode Island when he took his own life on Wednesday. Words do not adequately describe the tragic loss felt across the country for the five promising young individuals who were so isolated and felt so alone and cut off from their peers and society that suicide became an option.

    “We encourage all people who feel connected to these tragic events, whether friends, family, peers, community members, and sympathetic human beings to pause today at 8:00 PM Eastern, 5:00 PM Pacific for a moment of silence and reflection in remembrance of Raymond Chase, Tyler Clementi, Seth Walsh, Asher Brown and Billy Lucas. Events are being planned across the country in the coming weeks to mourn the loss of these young people, and to take action to stop bullying crimes that lead to suicide, and a website http://makeitbetterproject.com/.

    “To help stop the cycle that leads young lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and questioning people to feel they are alone, connect them to The Trevor Project. There is a place that’s free of bullying and judgment online, where young LGBTQ people, their friends and allies ages 13-24 can connect safely and be themselves. More than 13,000 young people already belong to TrevorSpace.org, and more youth join every day. If you or someone you care about shows warning signs for suicide, please do not hesitate to call The Trevor Lifeline at: 866-4-U-TREVOR (866-488-7386). The call is free and confidential.

    More: http://www.thetrevorproject.org/news/tonight-national-moment-silence-5-youth-who-recently-died-suicide

    • 69. bJason  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:05 pm

      Thanks for that, LLB. I’ll be there.

      Beyond tragic.

    • 70. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:23 pm

      Thank you for posting that. We will be certain participate.
      It is just so very sad :-(

  • 71. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    damn it, i’ve tried posting something twice and it won’t take. what’s going on? It’s a link to a news article about their Santa Cruz stop — the FULL article, not just the portion repeated.

    • 72. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:15 pm

      If it’s the one at mercury news, someone it’s been blocked by this website

      • 73. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:18 pm

        That’s the one. But you can actually get there from Their tweet (surprisingly), which is what I did.

      • 74. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:20 pm

        Why is it blocked, LLB?

    • 75. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:16 pm

      OK, the full link won’t accept. Here’s “their” link:

      After you read that, follow the link to the FULL article. And no, “brazen turn” doesn’t refer to Thomas’s driving antics.

      • 76. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:19 pm

        The complete article points out how they were so outnumbered by the opposition, particularly the Union members. Obviously, Alfonso et al left that out of their portion of the article…….

      • 77. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:19 pm

        It looks like the article has been removed…wonder who paid for that?

      • 78. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:21 pm


      • 79. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:21 pm

        Screen print available……. :)

      • 80. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:22 pm

        for future reference, if an article won’t link, we can use: http://tinyurl.com/ to change the url…

      • 81. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:23 pm

        The link above that I created links to it.

      • 82. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:24 pm

        Thanks, LLB (Kate says with chagrin)

      • 83. bonobo  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:26 pm

        When in doubt, go to the source. Try this one Kate & LLB. And let me know if it’s the original article. I couldn’t get in from the Merc.


      • 84. Kate  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:28 pm

        Thanks, Bo. LLB fixed it for me. I was using the article in the Merc.

      • 85. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:28 pm

        Yeah Bonobo, thanks. The mercury article was removed.

        I think others must have been having issues with the link too…

      • 86. Ann S.  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:35 pm

        There’s only this bit in the Santa Cruz Sentinel that wasn’t in the Merc:

        The dozen or so protesters, who met the bus at its scheduled stop at the Santa Cruz Mission, outnumbered supporters. They accused tour leaders of trying to mislead Latino voters and pointed, for example, to her support of Arizona’s new crack-down on illegal immigration.

        “We are here to unmask candidate Fiorina who in reality is not with the Latino community,” Erik Larsen, an SEIU organizer said in a statement.

      • 87. Judy  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:41 pm

        This quote is hilarious:

        “We’re here with a lot of courage,” said Alfonso Aguilar, executive director of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles.

        Yes, Courage was there! And a lot of them, too! Go, CC!

      • 88. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:43 pm

        lol@ Judy…very funny

  • 89. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    yes, issues matter more than theatrics, but unfortunately, those who are working toward extermination of the LGBTQQI community and our allies will use any means they can to get their evil way.

    • 90. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:30 pm

      Very true – but very sad. They do it in the name of Christianity. Those fringe religious groups give all the good morale people a bad rep.

  • 91. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Great news for binational couples!

    Immigration Equality Action Fund sent out emails which, in part, read (emphases mine):

    We’re in. Another key bill — this time in the United States Senate — includes lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender binational families for the very first time.

    Yesterday, Senator Robert Menendez of New Jersey included the Uniting American Families Act (UAFA), a measure to end discrimination against LGBT immigrant families, in his Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill.

    This enormous victory comes just one week after a record-setting surge in the number of UAFA co-sponsors. Today, 161 lawmakers, in the House and the Senate, are co-sponsors of UAFA … more than at any other point in any previous session of Congress.

    — ♂KF

    • 92. Kathleen  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:36 pm

      This is good news! I sincerely hope that this horrible situation is remedied soon.

      Hugs to Kirille!!

      • 93. Felyx  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:59 pm

        Kyrill’s coming home! Sigh… sniffle. – ♂F♥K♂

      • 94. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  October 1, 2010 at 3:35 pm

        Hugs to Kathleen (and to Felyx, of course, hehehe)!

        Considering recent events with DADT in Senate, UAFA bill seems to have even less chances to be passed by the current 111th Congress (even though Senators promised to bring the bill to the vote this year).  Also, there is a great deal of doubt regarding the implementation of the law: the definition of permanent relationship in the bill is vague and questionable, which leaves a room for interpretation, which will lead to problems for binational couples to actually use this law (and we all know about the bias against gays that will hardly help to clear that up).  Only time will tell if this will be yet another example of failed attempts to provide people with equal rights like domestic partnership institution that honestly failed to substitute marriage.

        — ♂K♥F

        P.S.  I’m still sick, but will be better by next week.

      • 95. Felyx  |  October 1, 2010 at 5:46 pm

        BTW, we would love to know if anyone in our P8TT community is living in a Right to Marry state. If someone is willing to host the two of us so that we can get married at some point in the anomalous future, let us know.

        Felyx and Kyrill

        Post Scriptum: The after party is on us!

      • 96. Dpeck  |  October 1, 2010 at 8:54 pm

        Hi Felyx & Kirille,

        Do you need some place where you can declare residency for a period of time? Or just some place to stay for a few days for the wedding? I’m a few minutes from San Francisco, and I know California doesn’t have SSM yet but I bet we will soon….

        My place is great for me, but not ideal at all for sharing with a honeymooning couple because it’s a big open industrial loft with no separate bedrooms or privacy. But as a wedding gift, I’d be honored to put you guys up in a nice little B&B hotel out here for a few days if you choose to come to California for the wedding. I realize there’s no telling when the wedding may be possible, so consider this an open-ended offer without expiration. I’m 100% serious.

      • 97. Kathleen  |  October 1, 2010 at 9:05 pm

        Love you, DPeck. :)

    • 98. Anonygrl  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:36 pm

      OH how wonderful!!!!

    • 99. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:40 pm

      Fantastic news!

    • 100. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:24 pm

      Can’t wait for the invite to the wedding guys!!
      Big Hugs!!

      Mark (and Robert)

      • 101. JonT  |  October 1, 2010 at 9:08 pm

        If it happens, stream it over the Net – I live in Denver so I’d likely not be able to attend, but I’d definitely tune in to a webcast :)

    • 102. Dave P.  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:54 pm

      Yaay!! This is wonderful news!! Anybody know what the time line for this might be?

    • 103. Felyx  |  October 2, 2010 at 10:39 am

      Wow! I am overwhelmed by the outpouring of love! To answer DPeck and others, I will pony up with the 411.

      I will be going to Russia (I hope) sometime in December and staying there for nearly three months. I want to, of course, but it is also a requirement for immigration purposes. When I return, it will be a matter of waiting for the law to kick in. As soon as it becomes legal and tenable we will pursue a fiancé visa (or its equivalent if UAFA passes). If we have to wait for the SC to rule against DOMA then this may take several years, or if DOMA is not appealed, perhaps I can take up residency in MA on my own and attempt to apply there.

      Regardless of how it goes, I am seriously thinking that the two of us should go to California for the ceremony. The truth is, the P8TT community is what brought us together and it is the P8TT family that comprises ALL of our mutual friends. Because the vast majority of you are in California, I think it is there that we should celebrate and get ourselves married. It would be wonderful to see many of you in person, to plan the events and all the wedding particulars with you guys.

      I really envision us talking a road trip to visit many of you who cannot attend which would culminate in a wedding in the location where the greatest majority of you could attend. And to JonT, Straight Grandma and all of you who are too far away, yes, we would love to have the wedding broadcasted over the internet.

      So again, feel free to send us messages on our Facebook page. Let us know where you live so we can map it out and someday make an itinerary for a roadtrip. (Who knows, if enough of you participate, maybe we can put an interactive map on our proposed website!) This could be years in the making (due to laws) but it will happen and you are all invited!

      Felyx & Kevyn

  • 104. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Marriage is being saved by gays — in the District

    During my speech at the Sexual Minority Youth Assistance League (SMYAL) brunch on Sunday, I blew rhetorical kisses at City Councilmember David A. Catania (I-At Large) for his strategic leadership in bringing marriage equality to the District. Afterwards, Catania thanked me for the shout-out. But then he told me something startling. More same-sex couples are getting married here than heterosexual couples. That’s good news for an institution straight folks don’t seem too keen on joining in lately.

    “That’s a story,” I gasped. We journalists are prone to saying that when warranted. It’s not quite “Stop the presses!” but it’s pretty close. Anyway, I asked Catania for the data, since he is collecting it from the Superior Court for a report he’ll release on March 3, 2011, the one-year anniversary of the law going into effect. Two things to keep in mind when looking at the bullet points he sent me. First, we’re only six months into this. Second, these are back-of-the-envelope comparisons with last year. Catania points out:

    More: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/09/marriage_is_being_saved_by_gay.html

  • 105. candide001  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Just a heads up. There are a lot of Log Cabin Republicans and other anti-gay folks on many of the boards whipping up resentment against the Dems in an effortr to supress/divert the LGBT vote. An article on HuffPost by Michael Keegan has been really swamped. If anyone thinks it’s important to fend off these attacks, your active participation is needed on these boards.

  • 106. Mackenzie  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    this has probably already been posted, but just in case:


    • 107. Mackenzie  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:17 pm

      • 108. Straight Ally #3008  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:34 pm

        I can’t help it…when I see Andrew Shirvell I’m reminded of an evil Pee Wee Herman.

      • 109. JusB23  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:44 pm

        LOL… so do I!
        I can hear it now: “I know you are, but what am I?”

      • 110. Straight Ally #3008  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:52 pm

        “Go ahead, scream your head off! We’re miles from where anyone can hear you! HA HA HA HA HA!”

      • 111. Bob  |  October 1, 2010 at 4:36 pm

        Forget Shirvell, I love Anderson Cooper, could look at him and listen to him endlessly,

        He did an amazing job in this interview, these two together are the ultimate in extremes,

        And as Maddow pointed out in her show the other day, (she’s Anderson’s equal for me love her,) the democrats really need to expose the extreme views of the reuplicans.

        It is a delightfull, extra dimension, to show not only opposites in ideals, but intelligence, looks, character,

        we’re fortunate to have these two standing for truth.

    • 112. Kathleen  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:54 pm

      Me too! He’s Paul Reubens’s doppelgänger.

  • […] to their list of tactics to get Latinos to vote a certain way as part of Alfonso’s Underpants Gnomes theory. Keep it up! […]

  • 114. Michael  |  October 2, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Republicans support taking away the rights from law-abiding, taxpaying gay Americans, destroying our families and making us criminals; they want to force Latinos out of the USA; they want to amend the Civil Rights Act to give businesses the right to discriminate against African Americans; they want to force female victims of rape to have the child of the rapist; they want to cut education and health programs to give unpaid tax cuts to the rich; they want to get rid of Social Security and Medicare and “privatize” care for Veterans; they want to allow Insurance Companies to not insure children with pre-existing conditions; and they want to allow Big Oil to destroy our environment. These are not “Values.” These are abominations! No Latino in the US should ever vote for any Republican, because the minute they get the power they want, gays, Latinos and Muslims will all be thrown under the bus.

  • […] entirely” to their list of tactics to get Latinos to vote a certain way as part of Alfonso’s Underpants Gnomes theory. Keep it up! […]


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