NOM’s version of the cavalry joins the Vota Tus Valores tour

October 2, 2010 at 8:00 am 73 comments

By Adam Bink

Guess who’s joining the tour?

National Organization for Marriage and Ruth Institute Join Bus Tour Supporting Carly Fiorina In California

Targeting the Latino Community, Vote Your Values, Vota Tus Valores Tour Is On The Move

WASHINGTON – Leaders of the National Organization for Marriage will be joining the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles’ bus tour over the next few days in California to encourage support among the Latino community for Carly Fiorina.

The tour has already begun in Northern California, and will conclude in Southern California on Wednesday, October 6.

Brian Brown, president of NOM, and Jennifer Roback Morse, president of The Ruth Institute, a project of NOM’s Marriage Education Fund, will both be supporting the bus tour as it makes its way around California. Dr. Morse will be at the San Diego stops on Monday, October 4.

“When we won the vote for Prop 8 in California, we set back the gay agenda by 25 years. They know it too: that is why they are so angry. If pro-life, pro-marriage Hispanic Democrats and Independents help elect a Republican Senator from California, the entire American political Establishment will notice,” commented Dr. Morse on why she is choosing to be a part of the effort of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles’ bus tour.

For the full tour schedule, visit the website here: http://www.tusvalores.com/en/bus-tour/bus-route–dates.html

I can just see it.

Brian: “I’ll take it from here, Alfonso.”

I’ll also be delighted to see a chat by our Trackers with Jennifer Roback Morse of the Ruth Institute. Yes, this Jennifer Roback Morse:

We hear that intelligent women should use their minds, by giving priority to career. Taking care of children is for losers with nothing better to do.

We hear that independent women should not rely on men financially. It is better to have a child alone, or to be childless, than to be financially interdependent with the child’s father.

We hear there is no urgency to having children. If you haven’t found a husband, if you haven’t made the time to become a mother naturally, you can always use artificial insemination with donor sperm, to become a mother at the time of your own choosing.

If we accept these ideas, we lose essential features of being a female human: an appreciation of woman’s natural life-giving powers, of woman’s desire for lasting relationships, and of woman’s intrinsic delight in bringing forth new life.

And yes, this Ruth Institute:

I’m particularly interested for our Trackers to ask about Ruth’s strategic plan for the next few years, as leaked and posted by Dante Atkins, which states:

It aims to work hand-in-hand with other organizations in the marriage movement to:

  • Decrease the divorce rate
  • Increase the marriage rate
  • Decrease the cohabitation rate
  • Increase the number of children who grow up with both married parents
  • Reduce the lag time between the age of sexual initiation and the age of first marriage
  • Maintain at least a replacement-level birth rate, so that the devastation of a European-style “demographic winter” is avoided

And of course, we remember Joann Beckman from the North Carolina stop on the summer tour, spouting debunked Ruth Institute “research” regarding how children of same-sex couples are “unhappy”:

What should our Trackers ask Jennifer and our old friend Brian?

Entry filed under: NOM Exposed, NOM Tour Tracker-California, Right-wing.

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73 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:04 am

    cribin

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    • 2. Ann S.  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:58 am

      Go get ’em, Trackers!

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  • 3. Kate  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:08 am

    Brian: “Step to the back of the bus, Alfonso.”

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  • 4. Doug  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Ask them to go back home. The tour is fine.

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    • 5. Kate  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:17 am

      Hee hee. At least bringing out the big guns will give our experienced Intrepid Trackies a few more debate challenges and fun than they’d had with the current Bozos.

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      • 6. Anonygrl  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:26 am

        Let’s be honest, Kate.

        Brian is a big gun only in his own mind.

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  • 7. Sagesse  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:20 am

    It would be amusing if it wasn’t so pathetic.

    Like a bad novel, have to see how it turns out.

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  • 8. Anonygrl  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:25 am

    How bad is your tour when you have to look to Brian “Summer of Fail” Brown to come in and rescue it?

    Of course, this could get their attendance numbers up to the tens of people, which would be an increase of…let’s see… 100% over the zeros of people currently attending.

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    • 9. Kate  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:28 am

      And how bad is your tour when even WE see Brian’s addition as an improvement????

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  • 10. Tomato  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:28 am

    “Ruth Institute?”

    Is this named after the Biblical “Ruth”? Ruth of “Ruth and Naomi,” lesbian couple devoted to each other for life? Ruth, who loved Naomi as Adam loved Eve? Ruth, whose vow of love to Naomi is often used in Christian marriage ceremonies?

    Please, someone, tell me it’s true!

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    • 11. Kate  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:29 am

      Anonygrl strikes/writes again????

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    • 12. Tomato  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:37 am

      One of my personal favorite bits is after Ruth has a child from her later marriage of convenience, everybody runs around celebrating that a son has been born to NAOMI. (Naomi as the recognized spouse of Ruth.) Ruth 4:17

      Yup, sperm donors for lesbian couples are in the bible.

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    • 13. Anonygrl  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:42 am

      I can’t imagine what else it COULD be. Gotta love it!

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    • 14. Ben Lewis  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:44 am

      Yes, that is where the name comes from. Oddly, I think their first and sixth goals are admirable — but I’d have different qualifications on how to accomplish them. Also, I think their fourth goal should mention healthy, content families (not just any families) [and certainly not just opposite-sex families]. On the other hand, if people are getting divorces, there’s probably a good reason behind it.

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    • 15. Kate  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:47 am

      I’m just dreaming all this, right???

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      • 16. Tomato  |  October 2, 2010 at 9:05 am

        Can we start a “Jonathan and David Institute?”

        Don’t wanna leave the men out, of course. David loved Jonathan more than women (says so right there in the bible) and adopted Jonathan’s son as his own.

        http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/david_jonathan.html

        (I’ll leave aside the comment I’d like to make about surrogate mothers and 2nd parent adoption for gay men being enshrined in the bible.)

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    • 17. Kate  |  October 2, 2010 at 9:08 am

      (cue music)

      Ruth and Naomi, sittin’ in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G.

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      • 18. Tomato  |  October 2, 2010 at 9:22 am

        There is a very well-done printable file-thingy for a banner that says “Ruth Loved Naomi as Adam Loved Eve.” and cites the appropriate bible verses.

        It would be a lovely banner to have at the rest of the VotaBus tour stops, now that the Ruth Institute is along for the ride.

        I’ve seen it at parades and rallies (don’t have one myself). It looks like this: http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/assets/images/billboard-images/wjd-billboard-ruth-naomi.jpg

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  • 19. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:37 am

    WOW. Jennifer must think that women who cannot have children are lesser humans.

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    • 20. Rhie  |  October 2, 2010 at 5:37 pm

      I was wondering about that…I know a couple who childless by choice and both parties are much happier that way. I don’t think the woman involved is less than me (I want children one day, health permitting) at ALL.

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  • 21. sue jeffers  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:50 am

    so, they decided to bring someone along, on an outreach tour for latinos, who is worried that the good christian white folk aren’t making enough white babies to fend off a “demographic winter” in the US?

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  • 22. Richard W. Fitch  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:53 am

    “•Reduce the lag time between the age of sexual initiation and the age of first marriage”
    I find this bullet point rather amusing since the recent reports in numerous sources that many girls are now having menstrual activity even in late grade school. I suppose we could make pre-teen marriages standard again like they were in Jesus time.

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  • 23. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  October 2, 2010 at 8:55 am

    If you are so concerned about protecting the children, then why are you so vehemently opposed to anti-bullying legislation that protects the children from those who are causing harm? ALL of the children need to be protected, not just those who buy into your revisionist history of America and the purpose of the United States Constitution.

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    • 24. Bob  |  October 2, 2010 at 12:10 pm

      @Richard, sooo right, that makes them pro-bullying

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  • 25. BradK  |  October 2, 2010 at 9:16 am

    How exactly are we to interpret the last “goal”:

    Maintain at least a replacement-level birth rate, so that the devastation of a European-style “demographic winter” is avoided

    Since the world is already dangerously overpopulated to the point of rapidly running out of resources, the human race is hardly in danger of disappearing. But as she/they mention Europe specifically (and WTF is “demographic winter”?), is the not-so-subtle hint here that we need more white babies to offset the increasing non-white birthrate? How is that going to play with the Latino audiences that this latest stunt is ostensibly targeting?

    What is posing as “family values” sounds more like eugenics. We all know what happened last time a Master Race” tried this…

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    • 26. Anonygrl  |  October 2, 2010 at 1:36 pm

      There is absolutely nothing subtle about it… that is EXACTLY what she means. There are not enough white babies… lets make more!

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      • 27. JonT  |  October 2, 2010 at 2:15 pm

        Keep in mind, they have to be christian babies too. It does no good if they are white infidels.

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      • 28. Sheryl, Mormon Mother of a wonderful son who just happens to be gay  |  October 2, 2010 at 11:21 pm

        You mean all of those non-white babies are not important even if their parents are right-wing Christians?

        And, just how many children does a woman have to have to maintain the replacement birth level? 2? 3? 4? 19?

        Sheryl, Mormon Mother (whose church also believes in multiplying but appears to have softened that stance over the years and believes that you should be able to take care of the children you have)

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  • 29. Seraphiel  |  October 2, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Jennifer Roback Morse

    If she’s so eager to “restore” “traditional marriage” then I find myself wondering what the hell she’s doing out of the house and speaking in public instead of letting her husband speak for her.

    These people are such transparent hypocrites.

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    • 30. Tomato  |  October 2, 2010 at 9:29 am

      Same type of question I ask about Maggie Gallagher: why didn’t she take her husband’s last name, why doesn’t she wear a wedding ring, why isn’t she focussing her energy on her husband and children, and why didn’t she convert to Hinduism to be a good wife and cleave unto her Hindu husband?

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  • 31. Ronnie  |  October 2, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Oh the Ruth Institute…the brain washing cult that promotes, supports, & condones bullying towards LGBT kids & teens as well as attacking the children who have LGBT parents joins the loca bus to promote hate & anti-American Fascism?….The National Organization for Murder wants to take over this tour because their money is being wasted,,,,newsflash:..your money was being wasted the entire time….YOU ANTI-GAY FASCIST PIGS WILL LOSE!!!… > I ……Ronnie

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  • 32. Sagesse  |  October 2, 2010 at 9:41 am

    From Box Turtle Bulletin. Watch with a case of tissues.

    Tyler Clementi On Violin

    A small glimpse of what was lost:

    http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/02/26920

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    • 33. Kathleen  |  October 2, 2010 at 10:52 am

      That was too much when first waking up. The tragedy of these lives lost is almost unbearable.

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      • 34. Ann S.  |  October 2, 2010 at 11:30 am

        I admit it, I just can’t watch. My daughter plays in the local youth symphony and for local musical theatre and knows too many young musicians. I can’t bear to watch. I’m weak.

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      • 35. Bob  |  October 2, 2010 at 11:56 am

        we have to work at passing SNDA student non discrimination act, and SSIA safe schools improvement act, both of these are hung up in congress. the LGBT community needs to spend as much effort on these pieces of legislation, as they presently are on fighting for equality in marriage.

        It’s our fight for equal rights in marriage that has inflamed the culture wars, (rightly so) but this is presently costing us the lives of our youth.

        These kids in the schools are on the front lines of our battle, we need to reinforce the front line, for these brave kids that are pushing the envelope.

        I’d suggest as least as much attention to this cause as our energy on chasing a bus around , how bout some chasing the suicide cases and doing some interviews and videos. I’d love to see Arisha interview a bully or two just to see how far the conversation goes before some religious rhetoric is spoouted by the bully.

        This is not almost unbearable, it is unbearable, but that is not an excuse for not listening to every story and telling and retellling them until there are no more stories like this to be told.

        The pain must be internalized by each of us to the point that it forces us to do something to end it.

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      • 36. Sagesse  |  October 2, 2010 at 1:10 pm

        @Ann S

        You should watch. The performance is quite beautiful.

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    • 37. JonT  |  October 2, 2010 at 2:39 pm

      I agree, it was beautiful. Worth the watch, though sad.

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  • 38. Kevin  |  October 2, 2010 at 10:23 am

    What is so hilarious is that this idiotic woman claims that Prop H8 “set back the gay agenda 25 years”.

    Nonsense. If anything, it was a blessing in disguise. Not only has the whole debacle made people start to actually research the issue (thus pushing the support for marriage equality to 52%), but now we have federal court precedent on marriage.

    This woman is delusional. Not only that, she is nothing short of a Nazi. She gloats about harming other people (and their children), simply because they do not fit into her vision of an “ideal society”. She might as well put on her SS uniform now.

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    • 39. Alan E  |  October 2, 2010 at 10:28 am

      If they set it back by 25 years, are they admitting that it is inevitable that we will gain equal rights?

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      • 40. Skemono  |  October 2, 2010 at 6:05 pm

        Certainly reads that way to me. They’re just admitting that they’re on the losing side of history and everything they do will amount to nothing more than postponing the inevitable. Probably why they’re so bitter.

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      • 41. Chris in Lathrop  |  October 3, 2010 at 8:09 am

        Well, considering we should have marriage equality in California…again…in the next 6 months or so, is this 25-year setback in equality something like Terry Pratchett’s re-annuals? They plant the setback in 2010 and it finally blossomed in 1985?

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  • 42. Alan E  |  October 2, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Will you get the opportunity to ask Brian about the RI judge’s decision to dismiss his petition with the court? Maybe you can ask him to be a little less longwinded with his response, too. Also, as a challenge, suggest that he doesn’t use the words “activist judge.”

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    • 43. Joel  |  October 2, 2010 at 11:47 am

      What? Horrors! That’d ruin my drinking game (one shot for every utterance of “activist judge,” “procreation” and “traditional marriage.” Double shot if all three are used in the same sentence. Why do I feel so crappy this morning?)

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  • 44. Kathleen  |  October 2, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Arriving late to the party and subscribing

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  • 45. Ronnie  |  October 2, 2010 at 10:34 am

    http://www.glbthistorymonth.com/glbthistorymonth/2010/

    How It Works

    GLBT History Month celebrates the achievements of 31 gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender Icons.

    Beginning October 1, 2010, a new GLBT Icon is featured each day with a video, bio, bibliography, downloadable images and other resources. Just click on the Icon’s name, corresponding with the day of the month (left). You can also embed the video player on your Web site, blog or social networking page. Once embedded, the player will update daily with that day’s Icon video.

    We are a part of the country’s history whether you like it or not, NOM etc etc…..& you will NOT keep us silent anymore…..you will NOT control us anymore….Your delusional little Theocratic Dictatorship will be squashed & is coming to end….that is a FACT….it is inevitable….Accept it…Get over it…& move on with your self-rightous & selfish little lives….. <3….Ronnie

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  • 46. Jeff T  |  October 2, 2010 at 11:03 am

    “When we won the vote for Prop 8 in California, we set back the gay agenda by 25 years. They know it too: that is why they are so angry.” Wow. If your neighbors and fellow voters — many anonymous, but all unaccountable to the electorate — took away one of your fundamental civil rights, with no personal effect to them, wouldn’t you be angry too? And for her to be proud and take responsibility for “set[ting] back the gay agenda by 25 years” shows how out of touch they are with the progression of social justice.

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  • 47. Lodi Gal  |  October 2, 2010 at 11:25 am

    I know this is off topic, but what do any of you know about Karen England? She has some kind of hateful front group in Sacramento and will be speaking here in Lodi to the Teabaggers at the end of the month. Is she connected with NOM in any way?

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    • 48. Sheryl, Mormon Mother of a wonderful son who just happens to be gay  |  October 2, 2010 at 11:30 pm

      Oh, glad to see someone else using that term for the Tea Party. After my son clued me in on what teabagger is slang for (and no I won’t go into that here), I’m being very careful not to use that term

      Sheryl, Mormon Mother (who ocassionally gets educated by her son)

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      • 49. Rhie  |  October 3, 2010 at 12:27 am

        Oh I purposely use that term for them precisely BECAUSE I know what it means, and they apparently didn’t.

        The funniest segments of the Rachel Maddow show I have ever seen are when she is talking about the Tea Party being the Teabaggers. I laughed so hard I choked.

        The segment where she disappears at the end of the show into a black cape with fangs also made me laugh really hard.

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  • 50. Leo  |  October 2, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Arisha, maybe you can get a straight answer from Brian about what level of official recognition the government should ideally provide to same-sex couples who partner for life?
    You once asked him if he supports civil unions and he evaded the question by saying that no one on our side is offering to compromise for civil unions. I’d like to know what level of recognition, in his twisted mind, same-sex couples deserve.

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  • 51. Gina  |  October 2, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    What’s Jennifer doing on this bus? Shouldn’t she be home washing her husband’s clothes?

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  • 52. Jonathan H  |  October 2, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    “What should our Trackers ask Jennifer and our old friend Brian?”

    Do you have any plans to visit the planet Earth at some point?

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  • 53. Daniel Morales  |  October 2, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    So Karyme Lozano is officially VotaBus road kill?

    I emailed her, her publicists and Alfonso 2 simple questions: As a foreign national, is Karyme Lozano allowed to influence elections or is she a US citizen already?
    How much she was paid for her work on the tour?

    NO ANSWER

    Now that she is being replaced by Jennifer Roback Morse, president of The Ruth Institute. It seems the Ruth Core values conflict with Karyme Lozano’s Values. She is not using marriage as the proper context to raise her child, she does not respect the contribution of her ex-husband to the family, etc; etc.

    Is this the ant-Karyme Bus Tour now?

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    • 54. Leo  |  October 2, 2010 at 3:27 pm

      I’m pretty sure I know the answer to your first question. Everyone is allowed to influence elections by speaking out, since that’s basic freedom of speech. Political speech is the archetypal speech protected by the First Amendment, which applies to all, not just US citizens. Foreign nationals cannot vote and are prohibited from making political contributions in federal elections (not sure about California rules), but nobody can prohibit them from speaking.

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  • 55. Sapphocrat  |  October 2, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Say, Adam, if you get the chance, would ask Miss Morse if she still has any of those Prop H8 “Home Party Kits” left over from 2008? I’d love to have one — I’m thinking of starting a Museum of Bigotry someday.

    (For those who never saw the Ruth Institute’s breathtakingly disgusting Prop H8 “Home Party Kit”: http://tinyurl.com/24jhgdq )

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    • 56. Sheryl, Mormon Mother of a wonderful son who just happens to be gay  |  October 2, 2010 at 11:41 pm

      Bigotry is alive and thriving in the US. This is just disgusting.

      Sheryl, Mormon Mother (who finds this totally unacceptable from people who profess to be Christian)

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    • 57. Chris in Lathrop  |  October 3, 2010 at 8:14 am

      Wow. I’m glad I haven’t eaten yet this morning. :P

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  • 58. Kate  |  October 2, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    (Kate, rustling through the party kit…… hey, where’s the “Ruth [heart] Naomi” t-shirt????)

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  • 59. Rhie  |  October 2, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    If they were really serious about the first four goals, wouldn’t they be FOR same sex marriage?

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  • 60. Kate  |  October 2, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    The Bumble Bus should borrow a line from Jonathan H for their slogan:

    There goes the Promptness Badge.”

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    • 61. Jonathan H  |  October 2, 2010 at 5:53 pm

      They can’t afford my royalties :P

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  • 62. Kate  |  October 2, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Not to worry. They won’t bother paying.

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  • 63. Michael  |  October 3, 2010 at 12:16 am

    The radical anti-gay pressure group Ruth Institute is simply working to impose their “religious beliefs” on the rest of us, force women back into the kitchen and under domination of men and destroy same-sex, one-parent and any other family which does not fit their narrow definition of family. Our forefathers did not found our nation so that any one group could force its “religious beliefs” on everyone else. What happens to all the “unworthy” families created by the new theocracy NOM and Ruth Institute want to create to replace our democratic Republic?

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  • 64. Ericinsandiego  |  October 3, 2010 at 12:16 am

    Nurse Beckman appears to be on some psychoactive drug…her eyes are about to pop out of her head…

    Does no one ever question what they read on the “Internet”???…good grief…it’s like William Tam’s testimony for the prop 8 trial…that “gays are more likely to be pedophiles”—”facts” that he found on the “internet”…

    Well despite the fact that Ms. Beckman may be a nurse, she’s clearly not well informed nor well-read. Ugh…I stupid people who go around preaching at others.

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  • 65. Chris From CO  |  October 3, 2010 at 7:30 am

    I have two friends I want to talk about one is a 18yr old I work with who has only had a mother raising him and his two brothers. We discussed gay marriage and raising kids he told me one thing he always hated was when people heard he didnt have a father in his life they were sorry for him. Then they asked silly questions like were you missing something in your life was hard for you. He told me “Chris my mom did a great job with us im on the honor role and so was my older brother. All three of us played football, and have great grades. It didnt matter that we don’t have a dad.” By the way his older brother is in the Marines and doing well.
    My other friend has been married for 26 yrs, 5 yrs ago their last child moved out of their home. For the next few years her husband and her fought a lot and things were not as great for them as it use to be. They even discussed a seperation or divorce. I couldn’t get my mind around any of it they were your every day people they reguraly attended chuch, she teaches a christian pre-school and works part-time as a waitress. He worked for Frito-lay for 10+ yrs. There kids were great and now grown up. A few months ago I talked to her to find out if they were doing better she told me,”Yes much better, we relized that we were so child-centered we didn’t recongnize as we were growing up we were changing.” She told me that they learned when one another is tired that they need to leave the other one alone. A simple fix to their marriage. Understanding that they have changed a little in 20 years. This point was important to me because with all the talk about child-rearing we can’t loose sight that marriage is for two people to share their life and though children plays an important part of marriage when they have grown up and are gone, you and your partner are back to just two again.
    I hope these stories can help ask questions. Good luck.

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  • 66. DebbieC  |  October 3, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Reduce the lag time between the age of sexual initiation and the age of first marriage

    So the average age of menarche in the US is 12.5 years…

    Exactly when are they planning on marrying off these girls? 15? 16? 17? Are they planning on having these children have children – okay, apparently, because they are married. Are they supposed to finish high school? College? Are these children allowed to use birth control? How old are the husbands? Are they intending to have two children raise children? Have older men marry and impregnate these children? How much is the dowry? What if they are infertile? Does that mean they should still get married? What if a latin or black man wants to marry your white nubile young daughter? What if a poor white man wants to marry her? A rich man of any race? How much is she worth?

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    • 67. Kathleen  |  October 3, 2010 at 3:49 pm

      What, exactly, is meant by “sexual initiation” in this statement?

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      • 68. DebbieC  |  October 3, 2010 at 3:54 pm

        Wish I knew. Maybe they will arrange for someone to ‘test drive’ these poor girls so they are sexually initiated.

        Groups like this use pretty sounding waffle words without ever explaining what they really mean or what the implications are.

        (The term was from Ruth Institute, btw)

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      • 69. Kathleen  |  October 3, 2010 at 4:05 pm

        I know it comes from the Ruth Institute. Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I’m trying to figure out what they mean by it.

        Are they suggesting that there’s too much time between peoples’ first sexual experience and marriage? That’s what it sounds like, but that seems an odd thing for the Ruth Institute to be saying. I would expect instead that they would be advocating for the time of “sexual initiation” to be after marriage.

        I’ve been puzzling over that statement ever since it was first posted.

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  • 70. AndrewPDX  |  October 4, 2010 at 7:36 am

    subscribing, uber late to the party — been moving all weekend.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    Andrew

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  • […] Adam reported the other day, a new speaker joined the tour. Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse from the Ruth Institute was handed the […]

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  • […] by the way, where’s Brian brown? I thought he was joining this party. Did he back out when he saw what a mess this tour […]

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  • 73. NOM Exposed  |  October 6, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    […] by the way, where’s Brian Brown? I thought he was joining this party. Did he back out when he saw what a mess this tour […]

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