Day 8 on the NOM California tour, Part 2: NOM goes in a church, but love thy neighbor values don’t come out

October 5, 2010 at 1:15 pm 73 comments

Here’s the report from last night’s San Diego “RALLY”, or at least that’s what Vota Tus Valores called it. We had some technical issues afterwards so thanks for your patience -Adam

By Arisha Michelle Hatch

Stop #34: San Diego

Thirty-two attended a San Diego “rally” at the NAM Communidad Christiana Church to hear a little bit of Monday night gospel, as well as messages from Vota Tus Valores and NOM organizers. The majority of the service was conducted exclusively in Spanish.

We were permitted to attend so long as we didn’t film or take pictures.

Tears began to flood from my eyes as the service began with songs from the choir. It had been such a bad day – such a bad week. After Anthony was struck by a Vota Tus Valores ally, we drove to San Diego in silence – no music, no conversation – we sat stunned at the line that had been crossed, at the lack of acknowledgment from tour organizers over what had just occurred.

Not a single apology. Not one.

There was a portion at the beginning service where the pastor asked the audience to greet someone near them. Noticing my tears, Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse, Director of the Ruth Institute which is a project of the National Organization for Marriage came over to shake my hand.

After a few songs, the lead pastor began the program.

“We are not second class [citizens], we are first class,” he repeated several times to the cheering crowd.

Dr. Morse made use of a translator to help deliver her message.

“Our mission is to help college students and youth [understand] the importance of lifelong love,” she said. “We are concerned with the problem of sex outside of marriage, of [unmarried] people living of the people who live together […], of divorce. […] Many of the people who oppose us are only thinking about same sex marriage.”

“American culture has been destructive to the institution of marriage; you know that because you came here,” Morse continued. “One man, one woman for life. […] I want to say a special word for those who want to change marriage. […] I refuse to call them my enemies – my opponents – this is a thought unworthy of Christians. They are our friends with wrong ideas. […] They are attracted to us. They are following us around.”

Pastor Richard Ramos later got up to introduce Alfonso Aguilar to the crowd.

“President Obama went to Egypt and said that America is not a Christian nation,” he said. “That [statement] was above his pay grade. We are a Christian Nation.”

It’s amazing how stepping onto church grounds can change the tone and attitude of some and even more stunning how many of the Vota Tus Valores organizers treated us the same way they have been the entire tour – as somehow below them, not even worthy enough to speak to.

Only two people from the Vota Bus approached me during the course of the service: Alan Campo and Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse.

Thirty minutes later, Mark Roepke, the tour security guard who last week intentionally bumped Anthony twice as he was trying to film, called the police in an attempt to prevent us from following them to their (likely over-priced) hotel.

I’ve been called a liar several times by Vota Bus organizers. When asked for one specific instance where I lied so that the record can be corrected, I get nothing but silence.

What’s interesting is that they have cameras, they have a blog, they have a Twitter account, they could attempt to correct the record using any of these media – but they haven’t. They’re not even interested in spin. I urge Vota Tus Valores to go on the record and articulate specifically what facts that I’ve misrepresented or to stop defaming me.

I don’t know anything about them, but I do know myself – that my sadness and frustration will soon turn to anger, that their attempts to bully and intimidate us only strengthen our resolve, that I don’t for one second believe their facade of compassion and Christianity, that I’m onto their lie about what this vacation -excuse me “voter engagement tour” – is really about.

I also know that they should tell us where to send the bill for our damaged Flipcam because I’m quite certain that no one on the Vota Bus wants us to start investigating the real connection between Tus Valores, NOM and the James G. Roach law firm – that, after all may lead to answers.

Alfonso Aguilar, Allegra Huebert-Hewell (Project Director for the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles) and Mark Roepeke (security guard) may be willing to lie, but trust me when I say, you’ve got some cracks in your army – not everyone will lie for your cause when questioned under oath.

Do you think we just made a lucky guess when we found you staying at the pricey beachfront Hyatt Regency Spa and Resort?

Guess again.

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  • 1. Ann S.  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Subscribing. Go, Arisha! You rock!

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    • 2. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:20 pm

      sipp-scribin

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    • 3. Alan E.  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:25 pm

      more email please!

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      • 4. JonT  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:53 pm

        Inbound packet flow is still inadequate. Please increase it.

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      • 5. Jonathan H  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:37 pm

        Subbing now, reading later

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      • 6. Elizabeth Oakes  |  October 5, 2010 at 10:31 pm

        I love it when you talk dirty, JonT.

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  • 7. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Do you think we just made a lucky guess when we found you staying at the pricey beachfront Hyatt Regency Spa and Resort?

    Guess again.

    Right on!

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    • 8. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:51 pm

      !!!!!!

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    • 9. Lora  |  October 5, 2010 at 10:29 pm

      NICE!!!

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  • 10. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Fiorina Supporters Court Conservative Latinos

    SAN DIEGO — Since mid-September, Carly Fiorina’s supporters have been reaching out to Latinos in 42 cities throughout California. Last night, the “Vote Your Values” bus stopped at an evangelical church inside a strip mall in Chula Vista.

    A group of about 50 people came together for prayer, and then, for a campaign message.

    Alfonso Aguilar was among those who led the bus tour. He’s the director of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, which endorses Fiorina.

    “Vota Tus Valores, Vote Your Values, is a campaign to encourage Latino voters to vote for life, for marriage, and we’re encouraging them to vote for Carly Fiorina,” says Aguilar. “Not because she’s a Republican, this is an independent expenditure telling Latinos to vote for their values.”

    More: http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/oct/05/fiorina-courts-conservative-latinos-chula-vista/

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  • 11. Kate  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    I’d try for the Queen Mary for their next lodging, Arisha.

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  • 12. Anonygrl  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    WE love you Arisha, and Anthony, and Adam… and I don’t know how you do it, how you can listen to all that day after day, how you don’t blow up when they shove you around and bully you, but THANK you so much for doing it, for those of us who cannot be there, but need to know.

    You are heros and we know it, and we love you!

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    • 13. Kate  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:31 pm

      And Phyllis! How come we don’t get to hear from you, too???

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      • 14. Anonygrl  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:43 pm

        Phyllis! You too! Sorry, I did NOT mean to forget you!!! Love to you as well!!

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  • 15. fiona64  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    “And they will know we are Christians by our love, by our love. They will know we are Christians by our love.”

    Too bad that none of these yobs paid attention in civics class, or they would know that the US is a plural nation, not a “Christian nation.”

    (Do I really need to drag out the Treaty of Tripoli *again*?)

    Love,
    Fiona

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    • 16. Rhie  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:35 pm

      Yes, yes you do – or so it seems. Plus all of the comments from the other Founders saying explicitly that all religions are welcome here.

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      • 17. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:53 pm

        Plural Nation? How dare Obama to suggested such a thing! ;)

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    • 18. Bennett  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:47 pm

      Ahh! That takes me back to another bus. The Christian school field trip bus. Right between, (two, three, four) “Were a RAINBOW (əˈhem), made of Christians, were an amy, for the Lord, there’s no weapon, that can harm us, Christian love is, much to strong!” and “The wheels on the bus go round and round.” and “ekk!” 99 bottles of beer on the wall” That one sometimes got interrupted depending on how conservative the chaperons were.

      I wonder what kind of singspiration they are having on that bus anyway. Presumably not the Tammy Wynette song :) or “Jesus loves the little children, ALL (again əˈhem, the children of the world.”

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      • 19. fiona64  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:58 pm

        I actually threatened someone with grievous bodily harm when they started singing “99 bottles of beer on the wall” on a Reno turn-around trip.

        I just wish I’d known this song back then (I blame Seamus Kennedy):

        I know a song that gets on everybody’s nerves
        Everybody’s nerves, gets on everybody’s nerves.
        I know a song that gets on everybody’s nerves
        And this is how it goes.

        ::deep breath::

        I know a song that gets on everybody’s nerves
        Everybody’s nerves, gets on everybody’s nerves.
        I know a song that gets on everybody’s nerves
        And this is how it goes.

        I’m envisioning this song being sung ad nauseum, fueled by cheap beer and chicharones, between snazzy hotel stops.

        Love,
        Fiona

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      • 20. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  October 5, 2010 at 4:22 pm

        LOL Bennett and Fiona! “This is the song that doesn’t end…it just goes on and on my friend….

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    • 21. Rebecca G  |  October 6, 2010 at 2:43 am

      Yes fiona64 you do need to drag out the Treaty of Tripoli again. We need to keep reminding these homophobic bigots of the history of the United States of America that they are working so hard to rewrite.

      Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli –

      As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

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  • 22. Sagesse  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    “Thirty-two attended a San Diego “rally” at the NAM Communidad Christiana Church to hear a little bit of Monday night gospel”

    Sweet.

    Keep your spirits up, Arisha. God is watching these sanctimonious fools, and she is not impressed.

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  • 23. Ronnie  |  October 5, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    They hold this indoctrinating & recruitment event in a church during a sermon but NOM etc etc etc….repeatedly state, ad-nauseum might I add, that they are not imposing their fascist religious beliefs on the whole of America violating our 1st amendment rights?………..yeah ok….& Queen Elizabeth I actually married the Earl of Leicester….& instead of enjoying the Earl of Essex only as her boy-toy…she chose to marry him as well after his step father stepped into the afterlife…….NOM you lie so much…THAT’S A SIN!!!….tisk tisk… repent…repent…. hahahahahaha…FAIL…. ; )

    <3…Ronnie

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  • 24. Kathleen  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    subscribing

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  • 25. JonT  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Via JMG:

    Dan Savage Blasts Religious Right As Culpable In Rash Of Gay Teen Suicides

    http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/10/dan-savage-blasts-religious-right-as.html

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  • 26. fiona64  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    One cannot help wondering whether we are talking about the same lawyer named James G. Roche:

    http://thedcshuffle.com/2009/02/11/complete-bush-appointee-resignation-scorecard/

    Quote:

    * Air Force secretary James G. Roche violated two military ethics rules when he urged a defense contractor to hire the brother of a senior Office of Management and Budget official while the Air Force was trying to win OMB endorsement of a new $30 billion aircraft leasing program, according to the Defense Department’s top auditor.
    * Roche resigned in an effort to fend off continuing congressional criticism of the tanker leasing deal, according to the Air Force’s top acquisitions official, Marvin Sambur, who described his own January resignation as motivated by that aim. Mr Sambur was later cleared of any wrongdoing.
    * Roche misused his public office for someone else’s private gain and violated Pentagon rules governing the personal use of e-mail systems in his dealings on the matter, Inspector General Joseph E. Schmitz said in a letter to members of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
    * Schmitz investigated e-mails that Roche exchanged with Office of Management and Budget National Security Chief Robin Cleveland. In the messages, which made reference to the tanker deal, Roche offered to help Cleveland’s brother seek employment with Northrop Grumman. Roche has said the e-mails consisted of lighthearted banter between two longtime friends, and that Roche’s brother never got a job.

    While I freely admit it is possible that this is entirely coincidental, it is pretty interesting.

    Love,
    Fiona

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    • 27. fiona64  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:29 pm

      Okay, a little further research reveals that it is indeed entirely coincidental.

      Never mind.

      /Emily Litella

      Love,
      Fiona

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  • 28. Kate  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    @EVERYONE:

    Please post to John Mellecamp on his FB page your appreciation for his taking a stand for equality by demanding that NOM stop using his song “Pink Houses.” And, as suggested on the thread about this action, drop on over to iTunes and buy a copy of that song as an additional sign of support.

    http://tinyurl.com/28zg78m

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    • 29. Kate  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:10 pm

      Please also spread this info to others who will want to know how to thank him.

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  • 30. Jacob R.  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Arisha, you’re on the money once again…

    Everything else aside, do you guys carry pepper spray? If I were Anthony, I probably would have wanted to exercise my rights of self defense and teach that fool a lesson.

    Of course I’d wanna’ check out exactly what those rights were…and exactly what path the opponents would take to trample them.

    I mean, maybe for some reason you legally cannot pepper spray someone for assaulting/posing the threat of assault to you…But yanno’… I just…yanno’…gosh darn, I just always thought it was legal.

    At the very very very least, one could just let it be known that you’re armed and defensive.

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    • 31. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  October 5, 2010 at 4:08 pm

      It’s tricky when to respond if your goal is to claim harassment…

      Me and my hubby were innocently washing our bedding at our apartment laundromat a year ago or so. Another male tenant got bothered somehow because we were folding laundry together, smiling and enjoying the moment. He shouted at us to quick flirting and “stop hitting on everyone!”. A bit shocked I asked him politely what he was referring to…evidently he didn’t like that I looked at another guy (my hubby!) “in that way. (wasn’t about hand holding or kissing or touching…the way I looked dreamily at my hubby…duh! that is what couples do!)

      Anyway, once I got over the shock and realized he was actually harassing us I yelled back something I’ve never said before “get out of my face you Mother F******!” I startled myself! Good little Mormon boy responding that way LOL! Long story short, security was called. Because I responded, it was deemed “a neighbor dispute” and apartment managers did not support our claim we should feel free to do laundry w/out harassment.

      moral of the story: I guess you have to roll-over and take all the crap…otherwise you deserve it…or you demonstrate you are not so helpless and discrimination laws don’t apply.

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      • 32. draNgNon  |  October 5, 2010 at 8:42 pm

        no. don’t roll over and take it. all the anti-discrimination laws in the world aren’t going to help you if you don’t act on equal ground. why should you take it? you have every right to be in there folding laundry.

        I’m glad to hear they treated it as a neighbour dispute! that means they treat you as an equal.

        …even if it would have been satisfying to have the other guy told to can it.

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      • 33. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  October 5, 2010 at 8:50 pm

        I’m a pretty peaceful person…until someone blatantly discriminates. I like Gandhi and all but sometimes I just gotta yell!

        Thanks for your comments Peace to you draNgNon :)

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      • 34. Bob  |  October 5, 2010 at 9:03 pm

        @Gregory, good for standing up, and speaking out, but it is better isn’t it, when you have your love standing by your side, and you’re not alone, you did act equal, it does get better.

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      • 35. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  October 6, 2010 at 5:29 am

        Hi bob :) 6:16 am and I’m already crying….tears of gratitude. for supportive words…and to release pressures of life I think, as Arisha so eloquently described. I’m grateful to ALL you P8TT lovely people…I started naming names of those I love and appreciate here but the list was getting amazingly long and I’m fearful of leaving someone out. I am so grateful to have so many persons who care what happens in my life and show support in a myriad of ways. I love and appreciate every one of you! Sorry if sometimes my words might offend, that is not my intention. Sometimes my content, spelling and ignorance gets in the way but I like to think I’m constantly learning. ((HUGS)) to everyone!

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  • 36. Rhie  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Oh for heaven’s sake. This IS NOT and never has been and never will be a religious nation. It is a secular nation with a large population of Christians. President Obama was exactly correct.

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    • 37. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:39 pm

      The founding fathers went to a great deal of trouble to make sure this was NOT a Theocracy…… NOM and the like just don’t seem to understand that little slice of American history I guess

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      • 38. Chris in Lathrop  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:37 pm

        On the money, both of you! From jhuger.com (which, btw, has many more clarifications on Christianist dogma):

        “…If they had wanted a Christian Nation they could have written:

        “God Almighty, in Order to form a true Christian Nation, establish Divine Justice, insure adherence to His Laws, provide for the defense of His Church, promote His Word, and secure His Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, has led us to ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

        “Instead they wrote:

        “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

        These same people who claim that Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists, in which exists the original American statement about the “wall of separation between church and state,” is just a letter are the very same people who quote a letter from British colonists to King George, III, dated July 4, 1776, to prove that this is indeed a Christian nation. Liars, all of them.

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      • 39. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  October 5, 2010 at 4:09 pm

        Hallelujah!!!

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      • 40. Bob  |  October 5, 2010 at 4:24 pm

        Great for Obama to make the statement, but !!!! in a foriegn country? Why can’t he stand up and make that declaration at home to American’s,

        Germany just made a statement to their country, that Muslims are as equally welcome as Chrisitans. they honor all religions.

        Guess the Democrats just don’t have the courage , or strength, maybe it’s a little too early in history to make that the main platform of the election.

        People better realize that is what’s at stake here, Theocracy/Democracy,,,,,,, and I think we’ve done a good job of exposing that.

        If Obama made the call, do you think the democrats could get re-elected,,,,, or do you think that would just encite the repubs and they’d sweep in and reverse our victories.

        Remember the democrats get their vote from the masses, and we’re up against a few billionaires with power.

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  • 41. Daniel Morales  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Any word on the updated East LA rally? It appears the VotaBus planners did not have a permit for a political event there.

    By the way, in case you are wondering what is Karyme Lozano doing now?

    The talented actress is playing the victim role, only because she spoke her mind now she is vilified, its all in Spanish (sorry about that) and it ends with Matthew 5:10-12 . Since she sent her letter to all the Spanish media outlets we are working on an open letter reply to her also to be distributed to the Spanish Media.
    http://yfrog.com/2pkarymelozanoj

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    • 42. Kate  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:45 pm

      “Karyme no odia a nadie” (Karyme doesn’t hate anyone.)

      ja ja ja ja ja

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      • 43. Kate  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:49 pm

        Her entire family is being attacked as well for her speaking her beliefs???? Daniel, did I read that correctly?

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      • 44. Daniel Morales  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:01 pm

        yes you read it..
        It appears a simple hypothetical question: “what would you do if you daughter was a lesbian?” was very vile, rude, offensive, unconceivable and below the belt attack against her family.. LOL

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    • 45. Kathleen  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:11 pm

      Thanks for staying on this Daniel.

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    • 46. yayponies  |  October 5, 2010 at 4:35 pm

      So was the East LA rally canceled?

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    • 47. alaneckert  |  October 5, 2010 at 9:58 pm

      Bah I had taken that image, processed OCR in Acrobat, and then translated the text, but I thought I posted it at work and then shut down the computer. I guess it never posted. Oh well. It translated every adjective regarding gender as male, so it was all about what “he” did and “his” kids.

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    • 48. Alan E.  |  October 6, 2010 at 8:37 am

      OK. Here is my rough google translation from that release. Please note that all the “him” and “his” should be feminine, but the translator can’t detect that.

      I hereby inform you that our dear Karyme Lozano is being attacked and slandered by a
      group of people simply because he thinks differently and has dared to express their feelings.
      Karyme know several years ago. I had the opportunity to meet before the Karyme and Karyme of
      now. Although there has been a radical change in his life, the only thing that has not changed and is still more alive than ever
      spread the love all around her. In this including an unconditional love for his family,
      friends, colleagues, fans and media.
      Karyme, unlike many artists, has built his career out of scandal. Quite the contrary.
      His career has always been on the rise for his talent and his great staff. Karyme is one of the
      artists most respected by the media. Always earned the respect of all his talent,
      but also for the sympathy and generosity that characterizes it.
      I’ve always admired because it was a complete artist. Not only has excelled as an artist but as
      mother, daughter, sister and friend. I was at his birthday this year and I can attest that his birthday
      attended by all her gay friends. She loves and respects them even if they have different opinions.
      Karyme only wants to open his heart to express what you feel, without imposing anything on anyone. I am a witness of
      change so beautiful that life has Karyme. This change has been a blessing for your life in general.
      Karyme not hate anyone. If you look carefully, Karyme, in any interview, has left no word of hate
      against anyone, it only takes a message of love, faith and hope. I think the word hate is a household word
      strong I’m sure does not exist in the vocabulary of Karyme. In a heart that is full of God, such as
      Karyme, there is no hatred. There is only love and kindness.
      Thank God, Karyme live in a country with freedom of expression and it has invoked that right. That right
      has been violated by all those who in one way or another have insulted and slandered and Karyme
      the rest of his family only dare to think differently and express it. I think a vile act that by it
      enforce their rights and express his feelings come to insult his young daughter which is not to blame
      ignorance of this world in which we live. Many call for tolerance but are not able to give it.
      In recent months, Karyme is focused and dedicated to helping immigrants proposing different
      conference in Washington, DC immigration reform. As a public figure is willing to share Karyme
      the message and love of God through his career, with projects that carry positive messages as preserving
      family values such as marriage, family unity and respect for others. Is Karyme
      engaged in struggles for life being the voice of those babies who have no voice to defend themselves,
      promote moral values and sexual abstinence and to offer support to those most in need. Lozano Karyme
      is today an example and inspiration for many and I invite you to support this mission.
      “Blessed are you when people insult and abuse, and when the attack because of me with all kinds
      lies. Rense claims and be glad, because they will receive a great reward in heaven: for so
      persecuted the prophets who were before you. Blessed are they who suffer persecution for doing what
      God requires, for the kingdom of God belongs to them. “(Matthew 5, 10-12)
      God bless.
      Sincerely,
      Martell nectary
      Assistant / Manager of Karyme Lozano

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      • 49. Jonathan H  |  October 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm

        Thanks for that, Alan. Good to know that they use the same empty rhetoric in other languages.
        I’m always amazed at the claim that disagreeing is somehow an attack. And as usual, there are no citations to any of these attacks or slanders. Not even a quote.

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  • 50. Ronnie  |  October 5, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    I’m sharing this with all of you from a friend on FB….This is a great short documentary called:

    WE’RE (NOT) STRAIGHT: A CALL TO HONESTY & REST

    <3…Ronnie:

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    • 51. Ray in MA  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:24 pm

      Very nice Ronnie… very very nice. Thanx!

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  • 52. Skemono  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    “President Obama went to Egypt and said that America is not a Christian nation,” he said. “That [statement] was above his pay grade. We are a Christian Nation.”

    Yet another statement betraying their complete and baffling ignorance of civics and how this country and its government works. No, we’re not a Christian nation, you clod–we are a secular nation with separation of church & state, as guaranteed by the First Amendment to the Constitution.

    Let’s just add this to all their other misconceptions about the reality of governance (such as how the judicial system works, what separation of powers and checks and balances actually are, etc.). Why, it’s almost as though they don’t have the first whit of understanding of the country they pretend they represent.

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  • 53. Ray in MA  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Hang in here Arisha… you are loved from coast to coast… I hope you know it.

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  • 54. Chris in Lathrop  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Arisha, we all love you! Hang in there, hero! That empty feeling in the pit of your stomach is the very human, very normal reaction to such intense hatred and hypocrisy. It gets better. :)

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  • 55. Mark M (Seattle)  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Arisha, my hearts breaks whenever I read about one of you being upset, assaulted, or treated badly by ‘THEM’.
    You are SO loved!!
    Hang in there!!!

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  • 56. Paul in Canada  |  October 5, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Arisha, and all te tracker gang…. chin up. You and your work/effort is inspiring!!!

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  • 57. Buffy  |  October 5, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Well, they love their heterosexual Christianist neighbors. That must count for something….at least in their own minds.

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  • 58. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  October 5, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Ditto Ray, Mark, Paul. et all! Your tears are precious Arisha…Love 2 you!

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  • 59. Daniel Morales  |  October 5, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    So we has to explain former gay pride queen Karyme Lozano the relationship between NOM and the Bust tour. As she claims she has no idea…???

    Sorry is all in Spanish but a quick google translation will give you an idea of the letter.

    http://besetu.com/?p=379

    Getting some calls from 3 Spanish radio stations for interviews that I’m passing over to the good people of Latino Equality Alliance

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    • 60. Kathleen  |  October 5, 2010 at 5:01 pm

      Well done, Daniel!

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    • 61. Kate  |  October 5, 2010 at 5:20 pm

      Excellent job, Daniel! And already calls for interviews — this is WONDERFUL. Thank you for all your hard work.

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  • 62. Mouse  |  October 5, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Dear NOM,

    San Diego is my home. I think I speak for Jesus when I say “Get out. You are not welcome here.”

    I am not a Christian. I don’t believe in things like God or the Tooth Fairy any more, but at least I paid attention to Jesus’ message.

    He helped the poor. He fed the hungry. He cared for the sick. He stood up for the people who could not stand up for themselves against the oppression of people like you.

    Everything you are doing – this campaign of hatred – is the opposite of what Jesus would do. You make baby Jesus cry.

    Jesus had one thing he asked. One. It was very simple, and yet you’re doing the opposite.

    Do you even know what what one thing is? It’s sometimes called “The Golden Rule.” Have you heard of that? It goes like this: “Treat others as you would like to be treated.”

    Forgive me if I am wrong in assuming that you would not want others to campaign to take away your equal rights and demote you to second class citizenship. That would be crazy if that was what you wanted, but I have no evidence that you are not crazy.

    Another way it has been phrased and attributed to Jesus: “Love one another as I have loved you.” Attacking the guy with the camera can’t in any rational way be described as “loving” and is certainly not how Jesus would love. Neither can stigmatizing a class of people be considered love. Nor lying.

    As for the claims that the US is a Christian nation, that is easily proven false. Christians are people who follow Jesus Christ’s message of being good people.

    You are not good people.

    Good people do not swindle money by stirring up fears of people who are different and begging small-minded supporters for contributions. Good people do not take those ill gotten gains and spend them on a vacation in the nicest hotels.

    Good people do not vote to take away the rights of their neighbors. That’s evil.

    FYI: Evil is the opposite of good.

    That so many states have listened to your lies, just as Eve listened to the serpent, and voted time and again to take away the rights of their neighbors proves that at least a simple majority of the US is not Christian.

    When the time comes that people stop reacting to your campaign of lies and fear and hate and start loving their neighbors as Jesus said to, maybe then people can claim we have become a Christian nation.

    For now? Most people who call themselves Christian are no such thing.

    And there’s no room for you and your hatred and your lies here. Half of the people in the world are of below average intelligence (that’s how averages work) and some might listen to the filth you spew. So I don’t want you here spewing it in MY backyard.

    Get out.

    You are welcome to come back when you cast aside your chosen lifestyle of evil.

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    • 63. Kathleen  |  October 5, 2010 at 5:18 pm

      The mouse that roared. I like it!!

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  • 64. Manilow  |  October 5, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    The Tus Valores site no longer has the location for tonight’s rally. I was planning on going (I brought my rainbow flag to work and everything)!

    Is the rally no longer being held at Cypress Recreation Center? Did I miss this on a previous post and now I look like a jerk?

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    • 65. Kathleen  |  October 5, 2010 at 5:48 pm

      Yes. The East L.A. rally is no longer at the Cypress Rec Center. But No. You didn’t miss an announcement; they updated their website early this afternoon to indicate place TBA. I don’t know where the “rally” is planned for now. I’m not sure if they do. I’m guessing they’ll find a parking lot, preferably near a store with tasty pork rinds.

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      • 66. Manilow  |  October 5, 2010 at 5:56 pm

        Oh my heavens. Alright – well – Arisha and team, do you need anything? Email me at manilow472@yahoo.com and I can meet you somewhere and buy you treats.

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      • 67. draNgNon  |  October 5, 2010 at 9:34 pm

        Kathleen, while I know you are commenting on their stops etc, the way you phrase that comes across as racist. especially so if it gets quoted out of context. :-(

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      • 68. Kathleen  |  October 5, 2010 at 9:39 pm

        I’m not even sure how it comes across as racist. Is there a stereotype I’m not aware of? If so, that certainly wasn’t my intent. My comment was a reflection of an actual stop they made for pork rinds and then Alfonso was chomping them while being interviewed by Arisha (which was then referenced in the title of the post).
        http://prop8trialtracker.com/?s=pork+rinds&searchbutton=Go!

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      • 70. Lesbians Love Boies  |  October 5, 2010 at 9:43 pm

        Kathleen is right…but you would have to follow the posts to possibly understand. Although I don’t consider pork rinds racist (I personally love the spicy ones.)

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      • 71. Kathleen  |  October 5, 2010 at 9:47 pm

        It was absolutely a reference to an actual event. My sincere apologies to anyone I offended. It was not my intent (other then.. well, I’m offended by the ‘tus valores’ tour and don’t mind if I offend them in telling them so).

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  • 72. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  October 5, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Again with the hate-filled lies! When are these idiots going to stop this crapola!

    Reply
  • 73. Michael  |  October 5, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Arisha and Anthony, God bless you both. You have no reason to feel sad, you are on the right side, the side of truth. We know our opponents here and all over the world will go to any length to silence us, whether it’s voting away our civil rights in the US, attacking us and beating us up in Amsterdam, or murdering us for just existing in Uganda. They don’t care and they gnash their teeth as it only makes us get stronger.

    You have uncovered a sad reality in the church you attended. Even in God’s House, shrill anti-gay activists still pridefully and arrogantly pretend like they are better than we are and more worthy of everything than we are. They are wrong and this is why they push our youth to suicide. This kind of behavior in the church is completely unacceptable, but revealing: Scripture tells us that we will know false prophets by their actions or results of their actions–their “fruit”–that bad fruit cannot come from a good tree.

    “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.” (Matthew 7:15-20)

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