Thoughts & reactions from today’s Senate hearings on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell

December 2, 2010 at 2:00 pm 67 comments

By Adam Bink

If you missed the coverage, I was in the Senate today live-blogging the hearings on the Comprehensive Working Group report. You can find an edited transcript, some thoughts, and other coverage on this thread.

A couple reactions from being up close and personal:

  • If you read between the lines, Scott Brown may be a very real possibility (he announced his opposition to repeal over the summer, but has since said he would pay close attention to the report). His phrasing and even substance of questions, his body language, all are that of someone positioning himself to move.He asked for assurance of Secretary Gates, “you will not certify you feel the process can move forward without damage to safety, security of men and women serving, and that effectiveness to fight will not be jeopardized?” He mused about how he’s never asked whether veterans who have died in the line of duty, or gravely injured, whether they were straight or gay, and how he didn’t care. He asked a number of other thoughtful questions on timing, which units would be “integrated” first. He was even one of only four Senators left, with all three others (Levin, McCain, Lieberman) being a lot more out front on this issue than he. In other words, if I were someone concerned about my upcoming re-election who wanted to painstakingly make a case for why I’m switching positions, and ask for the kind of assurance that would make him and his constituents/supporters comfortable in their shoes with this, I would do exactly what Scott Brown did today.
  • Of course, he may be doing all this to justify “I’ve heard all sides at length and I remain opposed to repeal”. We’ll have to see. I do know that MassEquality up in his state, as well as HRC organizers on the ground, have been putting a good deal of pressure on him, and today’s performance was a good sign.
  • Ditto for Susan Collins, who voted for repeal itself while in committee earlier this year. She asked leading questions of Mullen regarding racial integration under Truman- a strong argument for a pro-repeal case. She asked a similar question of Jeh Johnson on whether it is fair to conclude that the report does represent the views of the military, and whether Johnson would have a professional obligation to report negative comments opposing repeal if that was important to note- all of which Johnson affirmed. She quoted anecdotal comments of service members not caring whether their comrades were gay. This, of course, is all helpful to other members, especially Republicans, considering supporting repeal and cloture on the DOD authorization bill.
  • Of course, we know Collins is with us on this, but what we don’t know is whether she will stand by her signature to the latter swearing not to support moving forward on any legislation until the Bush-era tax cuts for those making over $250,000 are extended. As I was wolfing down a bagel on the way to the hearing this morning, I did read this nugget in today’s WaPo:

    Activists want Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) to stand by her promise to vote with Democrats on the measure if Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) allows for the introduction of Republican amendments.

    Kevin Kelley, a Collins spokesman, said, “Preventing a tax increase and keeping the government operating are her top priorities, but passing a defense authorization bill is also a priority.

    So it’s possible that when it comes down to it, if the conditions are right regarding the amendment process, as I detailed in an OpenLeft piece here, she may be with us. Ever more important to contact her office and let her know you support repeal. All in all, though, it was helpful to have her present today.

  • Newly-sworn in Sen. Manchin, in what may have been his maiden hearing today, did not present a lot of optimism to back off his opposition to repeal with all his lines of questioning regarding military chaplains leaving the service or refusing to minister to openly gay/lesbian service members, out of their religious opposition. Johnson did his best to note that he believes as many would stay as would potentially leave. Of course, he also did say he’d carefully consider the report. We’ll have to see about him.
  • Watching the sparring this morning of two people diametrically opposed to each on this issue, both in position and amount of advocacy, you’d almost forget that Joe Lieberman endorsed John McCain for President in 2008. Almost. Sigh. Anyway, it really did make me stop and shake my head.
  • Polling expert Mark Blumenthal, along with John Aravosis, take McCain to task over his bevy of “only 28% were surveyed” complaints this morning. Both worth reading. And if McCain raised your blood pressure this morning and you’re looking to laugh it off, you’ll like my piece yesterday at OpenLeft examining the remarkable similarities between Up’s Carl Fredrickson and this year’s incarnation of John McCain.
  • Courage’s Testimony campaign has a great set of testimonials from vets and military families, which are always useful but ever more so at this stage, when emotional appeals are sometimes what wins folks over.
  • On strategy and arguments, as I wrote during a break this morning, anti-repeal forces’ arguments appear to rely chiefly on (a) the 28% statistic (b) that the survey never directly asks service members or family members whether they support or oppose repealing DADT (c) that there is no longer a point to certification if Mullen and Gates have already made up their mind, and if that’s true, then the “safeguards” put in place by the deal cut earlier this year are no longer safeguarding anything. Each of these was strongly refuted by Gates and Mullen especially, along with Johnson and Ham- Think Progress has a quick compilation of responses- but I mention them especially to keep them in mind as you make calls this week, and ask others to do so. Some of them are cleverly worded and can resonate with wavering Senators. Which gets me to my final thought:
  • Of how important it is to call 202-224-3121 and ask swing Senators to support repeal. You can find my current list, verified by multiple sources close to the lobbying process, here. Asking family/friends/colleagues to take 5 minutes and do so, too, is important. Today’s hearings made a huge difference, as will personal meetings with military brass, like the one Susan Collins requested, but ultimately, Senators and their staff looking at those call sheet tallies will play perhaps an even bigger role. Let’s get to it.

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  • 1. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Scribin…can I call other state senators? Mine is McCain…I don’t think he has heard me that last 5 times.

    • 2. Ann S.  |  December 2, 2010 at 2:07 pm

      LLB — the 6th time may be the charm, you never know!

      Barbara Boxer wrote an editorial in yesterday’s or today’s paper on why DADT should be repealed, I guess I won’t need to be calling her, except to thank her.

      • 3. Chris in Lathrop  |  December 2, 2010 at 4:01 pm

        Yay for Barbara Boxer! :)

    • 4. adambink  |  December 2, 2010 at 2:47 pm

      Sure. The only note of caution is that some offices, both House and Senate, ask for where you’re from, usually a zip code. Others don’t. So it’s worth calling. My usual take on it is that many members realize constituents are not the only people with the power to get mad at you and make sure you’re defeated for re-election.

      • 5. Bob  |  December 2, 2010 at 7:04 pm

        that’s right Adam, I have called from Canada, also e-mailed for example Senator Ensign, the e-mail address prompted me to give a correct zip code, in place of mine,

        So it can be done from out of state, which is probably better than out of country,

        I figure, if nobody else is taking up the phone line at the time, at least I was asking the question,,,, when the phone line is busy you can leave a message.

    • 6. Alan E.  |  December 2, 2010 at 2:56 pm


  • 8. bJason  |  December 2, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Thanks for all your hard work, Adam and welcome back!

    • 9. Carpool Cookie  |  December 2, 2010 at 2:23 pm

      What a fab-boo avatar, Jason!!!! I am always all over everyone here to get neat avatars like ours.

      When we post, PEOPLE LISTEN (to our avatars) ! ! !

  • 10. Adrenalin Tim  |  December 2, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    You can find my current list, verified by multiple sources close to the lobbying process, here.

    There’s no linky there…

  • 12. Larry Little  |  December 2, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    McCain owes his seat to the millions of dollars rightwing religious fanatics contributed to his Senatorial campaign and having their congregations vote for him. His payback is to block the repeal of DADT so that Focus on the Family, National Organization for Marriage, Reverend Phelps, Pat Robertson and all the rest of that Mormon/Evangelical gay hating, tax free organizations will be happy with their tax free investment. Recent reliable polls show that 70% of America and 70% of the military want DADT repealed and you have to ask yourself how is this Republican behavior creating the jobs they promised as their re-election priority and how do they explain why they are NOT doing what 70% of the people want and instead slobbering all over their special interest groups and one vote corporations? Senator McCain is an embarrassment to us all. He surely must realize that he can’t let the church who bankrolled his re-election get its foot in the door of the state and impose all that bitter hatred onto our legislation, onto the military, onto the gay population and onto the entire country while the world is watching to see if freedom, justice for all and the 14th amendment really mean anything to the Republicans.

    • 13. Cat  |  December 2, 2010 at 3:29 pm

      Repeal John McCain!

  • 14. Bob  |  December 2, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    I’m cheering you on guys, call, call again, keep the lines hot, see who can get the most friends to call….

    let’s make some fun of it, share your experience with us here,

    prizes for who can actually engage a Senator in a debate?? who can make the most calls, what you say if you leave a message,?????

    the week of the phone attack,,,,,

  • 15. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 2, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Thanks again, Adam! Glad to have you back with us, even if once again it is only temporary.

    • 16. adambink  |  December 2, 2010 at 2:48 pm

      You bet. Nice to be back. You guys and gals are always fun.

      • 17. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 2, 2010 at 3:01 pm

        And I just love everything that is happening during Chanukkah. This is after all the Festival of LIghts, and look at all the things that light is being shined upon, and very brightly too! And I truly do NOT think the timing is coincidental.

  • 18. Sagesse  |  December 2, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    You’re doing a great job. Thank you so much for this.

  • 19. Ronnie  |  December 2, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Hey Adam , Hey…..ty…. ; ) …..Ronnie

  • 20. Cat  |  December 2, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    “Only 28% were surveyed”. What a lame argument.

    If they surveyed only 0.1% and 80% of those people were against repeal, McCain would be as happy as a clam and have no qualms about the statistics.

  • 21. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 2, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    If anything, the Massachusetts electorate is likely to be more for DADT repeal than the rest of the country, and I’m hoping Sen. Brown realizes this. Of course, he should simply be voting for repeal because it’s the right thing to do, but there are political realities to consider. I’m happy to see that he asked questions and stuck around for the hearings.

    • 22. Hanou  |  December 2, 2010 at 3:40 pm

      I’m trying to encourage my family to call and email him, but getting a lot of “they don’t listen to me”. Hard to shake them from the other coast!

      • 23. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:01 pm

        All you have to do is leave a message on the answering machine, really; I doubt they’ll actually get through to a person, unless they have better luck than I did. :)

        • 24. Hanou  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:04 pm

          I meant that my family was saying that they wouldn’t listen even if they did contact Brown. But I think I’ve gotten them to come around now.

  • 25. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    I love positive Articles on Marriage Equality.

    Gay Marriage and the Law
    The battle over Proposition 8 inches closer to the Supreme Court

    As for Monday’s proceedings, the outcome looks likely to be favorable to Prop. 8’s opponents. Earlier this week the 9th Circuit announced that Judges Michael Hawkins, Stephen Reinhardt, and N. Randy Smith will hear the appeal. Hawkins and Reinhardt are both widely known as judicial liberals. Indeed, National Review’s Ed Whelan promptly denounced Reinhardt as arguably “the most aggressive liberal judicial activist in the nation.” But perhaps more importantly, as George Washington University law professor Orin Kerr pointed out, “Reinhardt writes like there is no Supreme Court, and as a result his opinions have a remarkable ability to annoy the Justices.” That makes the chances of Perry reaching the Supreme Court even higher.

    Assuming that happens, much will depend—as it often does—on the swing vote of Justice Anthony Kennedy. And when it comes to gay rights, Kennedy leans libertarian. In Lawrence v. Texas, for instance, Kennedy declared that “Liberty presumes an autonomy of self that includes freedom of thought, belief, expression, and certain intimate conduct.” Similarly, in his 1996 majority opinion in Romer v. Evans, Kennedy struck down a Colorado constitutional amendment forbidding state officials from taking any action designed to protect gays and lesbians from discrimination. As he wrote, “the amendment imposes a special disability upon those persons alone. Homosexuals are forbidden the safeguards that others enjoy or may seek without constraint.” Together, these decisions suggest Kennedy will once again join the Court’s liberal bloc.

    As well he should. If the state is going to be in the marriage business at all—which it shouldn’t be—then it has to treat same-sex couples the same way it treats heterosexual couples. There’s no legitimate constitutional reason to do otherwise. Supporters of Prop. 8 claim that banning gay marriage advances a state interest in procreation. But if that’s true, why not ban infertile individuals from getting married as well? Or perhaps the government should require childbirth as a condition of the marriage license? Similarly, Prop. 8 supporters say the amendment is necessary to protect and promote “traditional” marriage. Yet there’s no persuasive evidence that a committed gay couple poses any sort of threat to heterosexual unions. In short, the plain text of the Constitution requires Prop. 8 to fall.

    Full Article:

  • 26. Carpool Cookie  |  December 2, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Not exactly OT, but what is the concluding phrase from the plaintidff’s appeal brief in Perry? The one that’s about:

    “This is about whether homosexuals are to be considered ‘persons’ under article XXXXX of the Constitution…”, or whathaveyou?

    • 27. Carpool Cookie  |  December 2, 2010 at 3:56 pm

      I meant to say Thank You In Advance for the precious little friend who helps me…

    • 28. Carpool Cookie  |  December 2, 2010 at 4:12 pm

      Found it:

      This case tests the proposition whether the gay and lesbian Americans among us should be counted as “persons” under the Fourteenth Amendment, or whether they constitute a permanent underclass ineligible for protection under that cornerstone of our Constitution.

      • 29. Ann S.  |  December 2, 2010 at 4:17 pm

        I guess they’re trying to ask the question whether LGBT people have rights to marry under the 14th Amendment in such a way as to make it impossible to answer “no”. Are LGBT people “persons”? Of course. So, the argument would go, they are necessarily entitled to protection under the 14th Amendment.

        • 30. Carpool Cookie  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:37 pm


          It’s brilliant!

  • 31. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 3:52 pm


    The National Organization for Marriage takes action to remove Prop 8 judge

    The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) is fighting back in response to Judge Reinhardt announcing that he will not remove himself from the Proposition 8 trial in San Francisco. NOM is asking their 300,000 supporters to file official complaints with the Ninth Circuit court before the hearing takes place on Monday, December 6.

    [they must have lost some supporters, they are now down to 300,000…also, I can’t find a website page that states what’s in this article…so I am under the assumption it was NOMs latest email blast.]


    • 32. Carol  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:11 pm

      Haha! These are judges with lifetime appointments, not like in Iowa. NOM’s supporters can howl until they’re hoarse. The judges may or may not hear the howling, but it’s not going to affect their decision. Judges sworn to uphold the Constitution don’t count their emails before they decide.

    • 33. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:33 pm

      I found it, it’s an email that went out.

  • 34. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Not a joke and no, it’s not April 1.

    Dr. Laura Slams DADT

    Dr. Laura Schlessinger has a reputation for being antigay, but the talk show host shocked listeners of her show Thursday by slamming the military’s flawed “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.

    Dr. Laura kicked off her show with a four-minute rant against the policy, saying “when someone wishes to volunteer for relatively low pay and high danger to protect you and me, I say, ‘Thank you and huzzah.’”

    She continues, “This business of being concerned about whether or not a person is gay is utterly ridiculous, in my opinion. Homosexuals have served in our military since we’ve had our ragtag guys in the forest dealing with Indians in the British …

    “In my opinion, neither color nor sexual orientation should bar anyone from fighting for their country nor should it deter them from being part of the band of brothers.”


    • 35. Ronnie  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:06 pm

      rofl…yeah my jaw is still on the floor after reading this one…<3…Ronnie

      • 36. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:08 pm

        I was especially a bit surprised at this comment from Dr. Laura

        “gay men aren’t turned on by every straight man they see, and that straight guys who think they do should get their egos in check.”

        • 37. Ronnie  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:15 pm

          lol…I love it…I have not listend to the audio yet…but when I get a chance to I will….<3…Ronnie

          • 38. Ronnie  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:16 pm

            uggg..typo……listened…..Ok I’m going to go eat dinner now….<3…Ronnie

      • 39. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 2, 2010 at 8:28 pm

        When I saw it, I was on FB. I had to open another tab to check prices on electric underwear because I have the same feeling that FF4E has–Hell has just frozen over!

  • 40. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Well this Pastor is honest…he says he hates homosexuals and wishes death on us…I am so glad I am in Southern AZ!

    New report by national organization labels Tempe church a hate group

    Tucked in a Tempe strip mall sits the Faithful Word Baptist Church .

    The church is not new and the controversy surrounding the beliefs of its leader are not new. However, a report released Wednesday by the Southern Poverty Law Center gives the church a new label.

    The SPLC is now listing the church as a hate group targeting homosexuals in a list of hate groups operating in Arizona.

    “Do I hate? Absolutely,” said Faithful Word Baptist Church Pastor Steven Anderson.

    Anderson wasn’t aware of the new article and label by the SPLC and wasn’t surprised. When asked if he hates homosexuals, Anderson quickly said, “absolutley.”

    Anderson’s church made headlines several months ago when one of its members carried a rifle outside a downtown Phoenix building during a visit by President Barack Obama.

    On Wednesday night, prior to service, Anderson declined to read the article posted by the SPLC.

    “Am I all about hate? No I’m sure I’m more about love than I am hate,” Anderson said. “I do hate homosexuals and if hating homosexuals makes our church a hate group then that’s what we are.”

    The church leader, with a Bible in his hand during the interview, said he preaches his hatred for homosexuals and wishes death upon them.


    • 41. nightshayde  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:07 pm

      I fail to understand how people who claim to be “Christian” can harbor so much hate in their hearts.

      Hmmm. If there could be legislation which took away the tax-exempt status of any designated hate groups…. wouldn’t that be dreamy?!

      • 42. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:11 pm

        Seems reasonable to me.

    • 43. Carpool Cookie  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:29 pm

      I’d really like to see what his congregants look like…??

      • 44. nightshayde  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:32 pm

        I may know the color of their necks without even looking.

        • 45. Carpool Cookie  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:35 pm

          The church is in a strip mall.

          Do they rope people in from the hotdog stand nextdoor?

          • 46. nightshayde  |  December 2, 2010 at 7:00 pm

            Oh dear. Now I’ve got myself giggling, picturing outwardly homophobic men wearing nothing but chaps, lassoing unsuspecting potential congregants.

  • 47. Rhie  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    checkin the box

  • 48. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Marriage Equality USA supporters will host two community gatherings at the James R. Browning Ninth Circuit Federal Courthouse (95 7th Street @ Mission St in SF) on the eve and morning of the appellate court’s review of Judge Walker’s ruling that Prop 8 is unconstitutional.

    Join Gatherings at Courthouse Prior to Hearing on Judge Walker’s Prop 8 Ruling – Participate in History.

    On Sunday, December 5, 2010 from 3:30pm – 5:00 pm the Jewish Community Relations Council, California Faith for Equality, our MEUSA Jewish Community Liaison, Margee Churchon, and dozens of co-sponsoring organizations will celebrate the miracle of light by kindling the Chanukah candles on the courthouse steps in recognition of tzedek (justice/righteousness) and equality for all people. This event is open to people of all faiths or none and is family-friendly.

    On Monday, December 6, 2010 from 7:30 a.m. to 9:30 a.m. Marriage Equality USA and dozens of co-sponsoring organizations will host a community gathering to hear from community leaders including the Rev. Jesse Jackson (via cell phone), Chief Deputy City Attorney Therese Stewart, NCLR’s Kate Kendell, Lambda Legal’s Jenny Pizer, Rev. Roland Stringfellow and many other supportive clergy leaders, Marriage Equality USA’s Molly McKay, Davina Kotulski, Stuart Gaffney and John Lewis, couples wanting to marry, LGBT youth and other inspirational speakers and performers for an uplifting morning to set the tone and stand together in support of Judge Walker’s Ruling. Supporters will then watch the hearing together from 10am to noon in the overflow courtrooms.

    • 49. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:48 pm

      • 50. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 5:53 pm

        Other Prop 8 Events:

        Chanukah vigil for marriage equality

        A Marriage Equality Chanukah Vigil will be held in San Francisco on Sunday, Dec. 5, the day before an appeals court hearing on the constitutionality of California’s Proposition 8, the same-sex marriage ban.

        Participants will meet at 3:30 p.m. on the courthouse steps of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, 95 Seventh St., and light Chanukah candles to demonstrate community support for marriage equality. Attendees may bring candles and menorahs; music, dreidels and hot chocolate will be provided.


        • 51. Carpool Cookie  |  December 2, 2010 at 10:27 pm

          That’s so sweet!! Glad they’re putting in an appearance : )

          • 52. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 3, 2010 at 5:51 am

            I am also glad to see my faith community represented in this vigil to support marriage equality. When I read that one to BZ, his response was the same as my reaction to reading it–Wish we could be there. But then, I guess lighting our menorahs here at home and letting everyone see them will have to be our eight-day vigil of support. And yes, we are still working behind the scenes with the aim of marriage equality in North Carolina.

      • 53. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:04 pm

        San Diego March and Rally

        San Diegans to gather Saturday for march and rally in support of the repeal of Prop. 8

        n advance of the the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals deliberations on the constitutionality of Proposition 8 on Monday, the San Diego Alliance for Marriage Equality (SAME) is calling on the community to come together to show their support for marriage equality.

        The organization will be hosting a public march and rally Saturday to support a pro-equality decision by the court.

        Participants will gather at 6 p.m. at University Avenue and Sixth Avenue in Hillcrest for a rally, which will be followed by a march to The Center, where another rally will occur.


      • 54. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:17 pm

        Northampton, MA

        Local group shows support for gay marriage this Saturday

        To show support for the repeal of Proposition 8, LBGT and equal rights groups across the country will stage demonstrations on Saturday, Dec. 4, including a rally in Northampton, a longtime stronghold of same-sex marriage supporters.

        …Supporters of same-sex marriage worry that Iowa may overturn its 2009 ruling allowing gay marriage; the three judges involved in the ruling were defeated in the November midterm electionThe Northampton rally will be part of the national Unite to Make it Right campaign and will be held on the steps of City Hall at 1:00 p.m. on Dec. 4 as a “show of solidarity,” in the words of Hernandez.

        After the rally, Next Steps, a gay-rights group, will hold a strategy meeting to discuss future demonstrations and events. The Next Steps event will feature a panel on the history of Proposition 8, actions that supporters of gay marriage can take within their own communities and a discussion of the constitutional and legal issues involved in the fight over gay marriage.


      • 55. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:50 pm

        Long Beach:

        LGBT Educational Forum with Lambda Legal attorney Peter Renn – ‘How will the 9th Circuit Ruling Affect Our Marriage Rights?’

        Where: The Center of Long Beach
        Date: Dec. 4, 2:30pm


      • 56. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:52 pm

        Wichita Kansas

        Rally for Marriage Equality

        Where: West steps of the Old Sedgwick County Courthouse
        Date: Dec. 4, 3:00pm CST


      • 57. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:54 pm

        Boston, MA

        Homophobia and Transphobia Kill: A Holiday Die-In and March

        Where: The Shops at the Prudential Center, 800 Boylston St., Boston, MA 02199

        Date: December 4, 2010 1:30 PM – 4:30 PM EST


      • 58. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 7:10 pm

        San Francisco

        Join the Marriage Equality USA CA San Francisco County Chapter for Equality Caroling at Union Square Saturday, December 4th, from 1-3pm – meet us out in front of Nordstrom’s. We will have song sheets. Be sure to wear something merry and let’s sing for marriage equality! This is a fun tradition and a great way to spread cheer and educate shoppers.

        • 59. nightshayde  |  December 2, 2010 at 7:23 pm

          I would SO be there if it wasn’t 6 hours away from me.

          • 60. Kathleen  |  December 2, 2010 at 11:53 pm

            So sorry you, and all our P8TT family can’t be there.

  • 61. Ray in MA  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    It appears the former Army General is speaking about a bigot name Jonh McPain:

    • 62. Ray in MA  |  December 2, 2010 at 6:17 pm

      i.e., John McPain is a Bigot by no other name.

      • 63. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 2, 2010 at 8:07 pm

        I wonder if McCain has thought about the fact that if we needed a draft in the military all one would have to do is say he/she is gay and they skip the draft. I imagine the percentage of LGBT would increase pretty dramatically.

        • 64. Kathleen  |  December 2, 2010 at 11:00 pm

          There are people out there right now, among the right, who claim that the numbers of people who’ve been discharged under DADT doesn’t represent numbers of glbt people – that most of these are people claiming to be gay just to get out of service. Yeah, more crazy.

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