The four words you’ll rarely hear me say

December 16, 2010 at 11:27 am 33 comments

By Adam Bink

And those words are “Joe Lieberman is right.”

Here’s Sen. Joe Lieberman on MSNBC today:

Although bringing it up on Saturday would probably ruin my weekend, I have to say (strange bedfellows and all) that Lieberman is completely right. I’m all for arms reduction, but as I said earlier this week, I don’t see why, on both the levels of strategy and moral imperative, DADT repeal isn’t placed ahead of START. Like my colleague David Dayen over at FDL News well argues, I could see START reaching 2/3rds in the Senate next year.

Perhaps Sen. Reid will be wise enough to listen to reason on that front. He said a vote on repeal will come next week, but why delay when, to spin a phrase David likes to use, six of the worst words in the English language are “it is now going to the Senate”? Especially with potential amendments to screw over the bill and send it back to the House- or into the ether altogether, if they’re bad enough.

In other news, Aaron Blake of The Washington Post reports that Senator-elect Pat Toomey (R-PA) favors repeal. PoliticsPA has the statement. The landscape has certainly changed. Before anyone suggests it, that kind of movement among Toomey and maybe others isn’t reason enough to bring it up next year, but it is good news.

On more other news, Sen. Gillibrand has a great diary up on DailyKos you should rec and comment on, as well as sign her petition. She’s arguing the Senate should not adjourn until DADT is repealed.

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33 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Sagesse  |  December 16, 2010 at 11:39 am

    There’s no reason DADT can’t move along in parallel with START… meaning DADT will finish first, because there is less debate and amendment to do… if there is a commitment to stay and a commitment to do both. Let McLame make his poison pill amendments, have them voted down, and get on with it.

    Any competent manager will tell you, you don’t have to do them in sequence to get them both done.

    Kinda like voting to commend the Heisman trophy winner in the break between votes in the House.

  • 2. Ann S.  |  December 16, 2010 at 11:45 am


    • 3. JonT  |  December 16, 2010 at 1:12 pm

      • 4. JonT  |  December 16, 2010 at 1:15 pm


  • 5. Alan E.  |  December 16, 2010 at 11:50 am

    I’ve always thought Joe was in a unique position. I don’t think we can assume he will always go with the Dems, but I think it’s funny when people call him the likes of a traitor whenever he supports Republicans. He’s an independent, and he can do as he pleases with his support. That doesn’t mean we can’t cater to him to try and win his support, but I don’t think it should be automatically assumed for either party.

  • 6. Ronnie  |  December 16, 2010 at 12:21 pm


  • 7. Ed  |  December 16, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Uhhhh? Now it’s “original” marriage? These ppl are Loons!!

    “The passage of the civil union bill by the Illinois legislature amounts to nothing less than a frontal assault on original marriage,” Rev. Isaac C. Hayes, spokesman for the Coalition of Black Republicans and former GOP nominee for U.S. House in the state’s second district, tells WND.

    • 8. Ronnie  |  December 16, 2010 at 12:43 pm

      “original” marriage….hahahaha…that is so original…lol….see what I did there?…no wonder he is a “former” GOP nominee…(sighs)…..<3…Ronnie

      • 9. Steve  |  December 16, 2010 at 1:57 pm

        Maybe it’s like original sin. The original marriage between Adam and Eve

      • 10. DaveP  |  December 16, 2010 at 7:08 pm

        “Original Marriage”??

        Hey, I think that’s great!!

        Because that must mean that Same Sex Marriage is the

        “NEW AND IMPROVED Marriage” !! : )

    • 11. fiona64  |  December 16, 2010 at 2:37 pm

      Which version of original marriage? The one where the woman could be purchased by her rapist for 50 pieces of silver — to her father, since the father’s property was damaged?

      Or perhaps the “original marriage” that involved coverture laws, where a woman’s earnings went directly to her husband and she couldn’t even own her clothing and jewelry?

      Or perhaps the “original marriage” that was one man and as many women as he could afford (Ref: Old Testament)?

      The mind boggles.


    • 12. Carpool Cookie  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:23 pm

      “nothing less than a frontal assault on original marriage “

      That makes me think of a “first marriage”…which will be things of the past if they put their money where their mouth is and outlaw divorce.

  • 13. Bear in the Woods  |  December 16, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    For those of us who can not see video while at work…what exactly did Joe say?

  • 14. Jon  |  December 16, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Our soldiers are working over Christmas.

    There’s no excuse for the Senate.

  • 15. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 16, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    In other news, Aaron Blake of The Washington Post reports that Senator-elect Pat Toomey (R-PA) favors repeal. PoliticsPA has the statement.


    *reads it again*


    Come on…it’s Opposite Day, right?

    • 16. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 16, 2010 at 12:50 pm

      After catching my breath for a moment, I’m surprised because Toomey was Tea Party before there was such a thing, and I’m pretty sure he’s staunchly anti-marriage equality. Then again, NOM seems OK with DADT repeal, so I guess it’s not as much of a monolith as I suspected.

      Disorienting, but I do like my world view being shaken and challenged a bit now and then….

      • 17. Steve  |  December 16, 2010 at 4:06 pm

        DADT repeal is far less controversial than marriage equality. Even a great number of Republican voters are in favor of it.

        • 18. Sagesse  |  December 16, 2010 at 5:50 pm

          Part of the reason marriage equality is more controversial is that there are two ‘legal recognition’ options… marriage and civil unions. The group that favours legal recognition in some form is split between the two.

          With the other LGBT rights issues (employment and housing, the right to serve), there are essentially only two choices… for or against.

          There are also people who agree with Maggie Gallagher’s ‘bright line’ around marriage. “We’re not anti-gay, but marriage is sacred and off limits.”

  • 19. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 16, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    You are so right. None of our elected officials should get their winter break until AFTER DADT is repealed.

    • 20. Rhie  |  December 16, 2010 at 2:52 pm

      Yup. The only day they legally get is Christmas Day. So, Reid could keep them there til then, then call them back the 26th and keep them there through Jan 4th.

      There is a REALLY simple solution to this, though. If they want their break, do their work now. Good grief, didn’t any of them have a parent tell them that during high school?

      • 21. Carpool Cookie  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:25 pm

        Do they take a break on the first night of Hannukah (sp?) (sorry) too?

        • 22. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:42 pm

          Actually, they would only do that if they were Jewish, and were observant of all the holidays. However, two times that you will see a lot of observant Jews taking time off from work will be Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement–all day fast) and the first or second night of Passover seders. These are pretty much high holy days for us. Chanukkah (and don’t worry about your spelling–there are as many ways to spell Chanukkah as there are Jews who celebrate it) is an eight night celebration of the miracle of the lamps remaining lit for eight days on an oil supply that should have only lasted one day, and the primary means of celebrating this can always be done after normal working hours, especialy the lighting of the candles.

          • 23. Rhie  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:59 pm

            Thanks! I know Christmas Day is a Federal holiday. Is Yom Kippur? I know that law prohibits an employer from forcing an employee to work on a day that is holy to a recognized religion.

          • 24. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:30 pm

            Our holidays are not listed as federal holidays. This also means that unless your employer is Jewish, you eaither have to take vacation days, or not get paid for these holidays, even if you are Jewish.

          • 25. Rhie  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:11 pm

            Oh that sucks. If we are going to give religious holidays, we should do all of them. Or better yet require employers to give paid floating holidays to employees for religious observance.

  • 26. Pearl  |  December 16, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Ron Wyden says he is having surgery on the 20th and wil miss the vote.

  • 27. Jenny  |  December 16, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Just heard DADT repeal vote scheduled for Saturday. *fingers crossed*

    • 28. MJFargo  |  December 16, 2010 at 6:24 pm

      Cloture vote. Good news.

      • 29. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  December 16, 2010 at 6:32 pm

        Hope its true!

  • 30. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  December 16, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    • 31. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  December 16, 2010 at 7:02 pm

      Yep! Saturday…AND Dream Act….hoping!!!!

  • […] is very good news, though, as he’s perhaps listened to Sen. Lieberman’s call today to put repeal ahead of the new START treaty. This is a wiser move on the […]

  • 33. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    They are turning on each other…falling over their own feet.

    Bryan Fischer: Benedict Arnold Republicans destry military and our national security

    by AFAs Bryan Fischer

    We are now stuck with sexual deviants serving openly in the U.S. military because of turncoat Republican senators.

    (Dictionary definition of “deviant”: “departing from usual or accepted standards, esp. in social or sexual behavior.” “Deviant” is not name calling, it is truth-telling.)

    The Saturday morning cloture vote on the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” was the critical vote. It needed 60 votes and got 63, because of Republican renegades Scott Brown, Mark Kirk, George Voinovich, Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe. If these traitors to national defense had voted in line with the Republican Party platform, the cloture motion would have received just 57 votes and would have failed.

    The final vote on the bill itself, requiring just 51 votes, was a mere formality after the cloture vote.

    Had the cloture vote failed, we would still have sane moral and sexual standards governing military personnel policy. But sadly those days are gone, perhaps forever.

    The GOP platform is plain and unambiguous:

    “Esprit and cohesion are necessary for military effectiveness and success on the battlefield. To protect our servicemen and women and ensure that America’s Armed Forces remain the best in the world, we affirm the timelessness of those values, the benefits of traditional military culture, and the incompatibility of homosexuality with military service.” (emphasis Bryan Fischer)

    For those who say the Republican Party does not need a litmus test for its candidates, you just lost the argument and frittered away the strength of the U.S. military at the same time.



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