Golden Oldie: Day 4 on the NOM California tour: Karyme Lozano says adios, cruel world

December 29, 2010 at 8:00 am 23 comments

One of my all-time favs.

We at P8TT are taking Christmas through New Year’s off. Golden Oldies you requested will run in the place of regular posts. Regularly scheduled programming will resume on January 3rd–Adam Bink

If you missed the original interview Arisha conducted with Karyme Lozano, check it out before reading this post. Quite the goings-on today. Keep in touch, Karyme! — Adam

By Arisha Michelle Hatch

Stop #18: Stockton

Twenty minutes after 10 AM, the Vota Bus finally arrived at Weber Point park in Stockton with three large vans filled with 42 (predominantly Latino and male) members of an organization called Victory Outreach, a Christian men’s group that does outreach in inner-city communities. Three local equality supporters also stopped by to check things out. Here’s the Christian men’s group:

Members of Victory Outreach, a Christian men's group, in Stockton to support Vota Tus Valores

“I don’t know why I’m here,” one man said. “We’re just following the leader.”

Arisha chatting with the pastor of Victory Outreach in Stockton

Arisha talking to the pastor with Victory Outreach

It appears that Vota Tus Valores learned a little bit from yesterday’s events and are now attempting to organize. Can they keep it up? Will progressives continue to come out in opposition? Only time will tell.

A few notes on the tour setup. The Vota Bus is accompanied by three advance cars: two white Dodge Caravans (one has Nevada plates and the other has California plates), as well as a gray Jeep Grand Cherokee.

Yesterday, the general practice seemed to be that 2 cars would scout the initial location – take note of any organized counter-protest and radio back to the Vota Bus. The caravan with California plates would then lead the Vota Bus to the scheduled location or to some sort of abandoned parking/Mexican restaurant based on some set of criteria that I can’t figure out.

My hunch is that they avoid locations with viable counter-protest unless there is some compelling reason that they must go to the location (like when a major news outlet is expected). Flashmob counter-protests may be the most effective way to counter.

Stop #19: Modesto

In Modesto, the Vota Bus stopped at a local farmers’ market bringing with them the three vans from Victory Outreach. Should we count those 42 in the tally again?

Vota Tus Valores supporters in Modesto

The Courage media blackout is still in effect. I kind of understand it, I wouldn’t want Alfonso speaking for my organization either. Karyme Lozano got a little feisty this morning as Alfonso rejected yet another interview.

“We saw your blog and we should see that you don’t show the truth, you change the truth,” Lozano said as she was hurried back onto the bus. I asked her and her comrades what exactly I “lied” about and she refused to respond. Watch:

Attention Vota Tus Valores: Karyme has gone rogue. We are happy to correct any misinformation if the organizers articulate specific concerns (which may actually require talking); luckily, videos and pictures don’t lie, sweetheart, but bad actors trying to sell CDs to the gay community apparently do.

The jury’s still out, but I kinda like Karyme, she’s got a little Palin to her.

Stop #20: Merced

Four equality supporters stood in a near empty park (one Latino man and his son were there) in Merced along with three members from the advance car, as the Vota Bus stopped at a local enchilada spot to eat (and engage patrons).

Vota Tus Valores staffers making another wandering pit stop

Later three women and a young girl (all Caucasian) stopped at the park for the “Susan B. Anthony” event.

“Where’s the bus?” one woman asked. “Why aren’t there any people here?”

Meanwhile, back at lunch, Alfonso asked two waitresses if they wanted to meet Karyme Lozano.

“Who is she?” the women asked.

With permission from the owner, Phyllis was able to film Alfonso engaging with the restaurant staff.

“Enough with the paparazzi already,” said Alfonso. “What you’re doing is illegal. […] You cannot go around with a camera in a person’s face. It’s called freedom of movement. You’re harassing and being intolerant which is ironic because you say you are so tolerant.” Watch (he hurls this accusation starting at about the 0:53 mark):

Meanwhile, Thomas, a Vota Tus Valores organizer, is filming us.

Thomas videotaping NOM Tour Trackers

But let’s talk a little about legality, Alfonso, since you’re such a crackerjack lawyer. Karyme is a “celebrity” and Alfonso has asserted himself as a semi-public figure for the limited purposes of this tour. Is it illegal for an attorney to knowingly give false legal advice?

Hmmm… probably not illegal, perhaps it’s just unethical. So let’s focus on ethics. Is it ethical for Karyme to lie to people and tell them we’re from the Boxer campaign (you’ve seen the blog, you know we’re not)? Is it unethical to tell Latinos that Carly Fiorina did not support Arizona’s SB 1070? Is it unethical to spend large sums of money driving around a state staying in ritzy hotels in the name of Latino values?

Just asking.

Stop #21: Fresno

In Fresno, nine members of the Victory Outreach ministry were bused to Vallarta market and received literature from the Vota Tus Valores organizer.

Three counter-protesters were present, although only one was vocal, chanting “no es vertad” (“that’s not true”) as Alfonso and Karyme made their speeches to the small crowd.

Equality supporters in Fresno at the Vota Tus Valores event

At no point during the presentation did Alfonso suggest, as Daniel Morales noted in the comments here per Karyme’s Twitter account, that Fresno would be Karyme’s last stop on the tour.

Stop #22: Los Banos

Shortly after leaving Fresno, the Vota Bus made an unexpected stop off the freeway in Madera. We waited for approximately 20 minutes on the side of the road and after inquiry we were told that they were making a quick personnel change.

A few minutes later we received word of Karyme’s tweet notifying fans that she was leaving the tour and we rushed to grab a Flipcam.

At approximately 4:19 p.m. the grey Jeep Cherokee came to pick Karyme up in Madera where the bus was stopped.

Although, it is clear to us that Karyme decided or was asked to leave the tour prior to the Fresno stop, we’re confused about the timeline of that decision.

Why did she get back in the Vota Bus after the Fresno stop and travel 27.3 miles north (approximately 32 minutes) to Madera before getting into the gray Jeep which was already present at the Fresno stop to begin with? Why drive to Madera and then exit the bus when the only major airport in the Central Valley is located in Fresno, approximately 10 minutes away from the Vallerta market? It just doesn’t make any sense.

Alfonso would not confirm why or when the decision was made for her to leave the tour.

Karyme confirmed earlier today that she has been reading the NOM Tour Tracker and it was later intimated to me that my final question to Karyme may have crossed the line.

I asked her a simple question: “what if your daughter came to you and told you she was a lesbian?”

She didn’t answer. Watch:

Later at the Los Banos stop – attended by seven supporters – a tour security guard told us on-camera that her exit was pre-scheduled; however, this conflicts with other reports we received on the ground. Sources close to the tour had no idea that Karyme had even left. The guard’s statement would be more believable coming from a more reliable source. The security guard has been extremely hostile to us throughout the tour.

Fiorina/Vota Tus Valores suppoters in Los Banos

Fiorina/Vota Tus Valores supporters

Equality supporters in Los Banos

There were also those with pro-equality views

Minutes after issuing the statement, he apologized (off-camera) to our videographer Anthony for stepping on his foot while he was attempting to film an exchange between Alfonso and a counter-protester in San Jose. He said that it was unintentional because he has an artificial leg. Perhaps this is true, but it doesn’t explain why he intentionally bumped Anthony twice with force on two separate occasions prior to the incident.

We previously opted not to report this information, but now that the guard has chosen to give a conflicting on-the-record account with respect to Karyme’s departure, we feel that the facts go to his credibility.

Now, you be the judge, did I cross the line with Karyme? Did Adam’s earlier post on her participation in San Francisco Pride strike some sort of nerve with Karyme, the Vota Tus Valores organizers or the National Organization for Marriage?

We can only speculate because Alfonso refuses to comment to us about anything.

Entry filed under: Community/Meta.

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23 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Ann S.  |  December 29, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Good morning, everyone!

    • 2. Kathleen  |  December 29, 2010 at 8:16 am

      Good morning, Ann!

    • 3. Ozymandias71  |  December 29, 2010 at 8:29 am

      *mumbles something incoherent while doing the zombie shuffle to the coffee maker*

      *coffee kicks in*

      G’morning Ann!



    • 4. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 29, 2010 at 9:00 am

      Zippee Morning Ann! Morning Kathleen! Morning all!

      Too much caffeine here – yes there can be too much.

  • 5. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 29, 2010 at 8:33 am

    All I can do is laugh at these people who keep claiming they support the Constitution and its protections, yet do anything they can to deny those same protections, rights, freedoms, etc. to us!

  • 6. Ed  |  December 29, 2010 at 9:18 am

    NC politician has gone looney….

    Please sign the petition at
    Thanks :)

  • 10. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 29, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Okay folks, here is another idiot we need to help remove from office. Help me rid NC of this idiot! He really has no inkling of the professionalism of our military, not to mention the fact that he is projecting his predatory fantasies on the Rainbow Tribe.
    Thanks, Ed, for giving me the link to this via FB.

  • 11. Ronnie  |  December 29, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Before the video I will post, I just want to point out that although this year has been good for the Equal Civil Rights Movement, it is heartbreaking that so many lives will not see the new year come. One of my resolutions is to help stop more young lives being lost. To protect the children that NOM & Co. attack & refuse to protect (i.e. LGBT youth & the youth who have LGBT parents)….

    What we have achieved this year:

    – The rise of GetEqual, Give A Damn, It Gets Better, Queer Rising, Fight Back New York, & more.

    – The SPLC finally designating those anti-gay groups, who rightfully deserve the title, as “Hate Group”.

    – Matty & Bobby breaking the Guinness Book of World Record for longest kiss.

    – Constance McMillen & Derrick Martin bringing to light Freedom of Expression. While Derrick won the right to bring his boyfriend to prom, Constance had to struggle to bring her girlfriend. There were ups & downs, but in the end Constance won.

    – Along with Constance & Derrick, joined Ceara Sturgis & Will Phillips, just to name a few of the American Youth to form a new generation of Equal Civil Rights Activists.

    – Ricky Martin & Chely Wright (just to name a few celebrities) came out of the closet & shared their story with the world.

    – So mant theme songs for the Equal Civil Rights Movement, such as: “Firework” ~ Katy Perry, “Raise Your Glass” ~ Pink. “All the Lovers” ~ Kylie Minogue, “Live Forever” ~ Matt Morris, & 3 different songs titled “It Gets Better” ~ Todrick Hall, Chris Salvatore, & Broadway Stars.

    – Section 3 of DOMA ruled unconstitutional in 2 separate cases.

    – DADT ruled unconstitutional

    – Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional

    – Civil Unions Legislation passed in Illinois.

    -Marriage Equality legalized in Washington, D.C.

    – Marriage Equality legalized in Portugal, Iceland, Argentina, & Mexico City.

    – America’s most extensive & inclusive anti-bullying Legislation legalized in New Jersey.

    – Adoption for Same-gender parents in Florida is Awesomeness.

    – Several Openly LGBT candidates elected & won their seats all over the country.

    – Lastly, I love this quote from Truth Wins Out- Year in Review: “1) Repealing Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell was a monumental victory. Not only was this an impressive and meaningful legislative win, but the fight for repeal flooded the media with positive gay and lesbian role models, which significantly undermined the propaganda of anti-gay organizations. The images of brave gay service members will endure in our culture long after the victory celebrations stop.”

    I’m sure I’m leaving out something…but as you can see this year has been good for us…lets make next year even better…. not just for us, but for the children….& on that note…I would like to share this video with the P8TT Family & with the spirits of all those we have lost this year, keeping their families in our hearts….I wish everyone a Happy New Year……<3….Ronnie:

    • 12. Ronnie  |  December 29, 2010 at 11:10 am

      & check the box to subscribe….lol….<3…Ronnie

    • 13. Fake Name  |  December 30, 2010 at 6:22 am

      Yes another year has gone by, and I am still proud to be a citizen soldier by your side in this culture war. You have influenced me and inspired me. We have accomplished a lot in the last year, you are right. Thank you for your efforts this past year, this post, and the video.

      • 14. Ronnie  |  December 30, 2010 at 4:30 pm

        You’re welcome & thank you….<3…Ronnie

  • 15. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 29, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    OT, but still something I think we should all know about. The feds are investigating Tea Party candidate Christine “I’m Not a Witch” O’Donnell’s Campaign Spending.

  • 16. Mandi  |  December 29, 2010 at 1:21 pm


  • 17. Ronnie  |  December 29, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Oh how I hope NOM gets sued for violating copyright laws…not only are they using clips from the FCKH8 video without permission from the creator…but they are now using a photo from the video to raise money, also without permission from the creator….

    NOM’s hypocrisy knows no bounds…their inability to abide by the laws of this country also knows no bounds…..this is so classy…..I specifically enjoyed this statement from Good As You:

    “The boy in the image? Yea, that would be one of the kids from the FCKH8 video. As in: A kid whose pro-equality parent/s presumably know about his involvement. As in: A kid who never asked for NOM’s “protection.” As in: A kid who is not one of NOM’s children, but rather a young member of NOM’s pointed opposition. As in: A kid who NOM says is exploited via his sanctioned participation in the FCKH8 campaign, yet feels is being “protected” by this unsanctioned, forcible participation in NOM’s own fundraising efforts. How dare Maggie and Brian and company use this kid in this way?!”

    NOM with all do resect…..Go F(BLEEP)K yourself…I hope you are forced to use every cent you begged for from your sheeple the last few months…..Your blatant violation of copyright laws is unethical & immoral & quite frankly makes you look like a thief…so many sins…..REPENT!!!…..REPENT!!!!…….Good job NOM…..FAIL!!!!!!!…….<3….Ronnie

    • 19. anonygrl  |  December 30, 2010 at 7:48 am

      Watch… they will try to claim that it is the same as Courage Campaign using a PARODY of the Protect Marriage logo.

      Of course, it is NOT, but I bet that is the tack they will take. Legally, they won’t have a leg to stand on, as they are using the image of the kid’s face with no legal release forms to allow them to do so. When parodying the logo, Courage Campaign created their own version, and it did not involve using an actual person’s image without permission… these are just a few of the reasons that NOM should have their socks sued off of them for this.

      I swear, they get dumber every day over there. Aside from just being plain wrong in their aims, their methods range from copycat to stupid to downright illegal. Even given that their followers are not the brightest bulbs on the tree, how is it that NOM, who seem to stupid these days to tie their own shoes, manages to find funding?

  • 20. Rhie  |  December 29, 2010 at 1:44 pm


  • 21. Sagesse  |  December 29, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Another day in the life. Scribin’.

  • 22. Carpool Cookie  |  January 3, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Thanks for reposting this coverage from the tour! I wonder what Ms. Lozano thinks about the whole thing now?

    I love the comment from the article, “Attention Vota Tus Valores: Karyme has gone rogue.”

  • 23. JimiG  |  January 4, 2011 at 11:23 am

    I just looked at some of the video I was excited to see some protesters I knew. I also was reminded when ever those freaky pro-life Christian come on campuses the first thing they do if anyone questions there rights to be on campus is break out a video camera. Funny I see them saying it is illegal to film them but the first thing most of these groups do is break out a camera if you question them being on public property. What is even better is these protester were in Merced area mainly a bible belt area of California.


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