Happy anniversary, P8TT

January 15, 2011 at 8:17 am 148 comments

By Adam Bink

It being a fairly busy news week, we neglected to note on the front page (but noted by Kathleen and others in the comments) that on Tuesday, January 11th, it had been one year since the Prop 8 trial started and we started blogging it here on P8TT.

Simultaneously, in the past week, we passed 4 million views all-time (currently at 4.023 million) and 97,000 comments. Having read and/or managed blogs since 2004, I can tell you, that’s pretty remarkable for a one-year old blog, folks.

In that time, we’ve covered the Prop 8 Trial and provided the best coverage and analysis on the web, coverage so good that when you Google “Prop 8 trial”, we’re the #1 result; covered the NOM bus tour around the eastern part of the country and around the state of California (heady days, my friends); covered and exposed NOM’s financial shadiness, hypocrisy, and general disregard for equality via your points in the comments, NOMExposed.org, Jeremy and Rob T’s excellent writing; covering the LCR v. USA and DOMA Section 3 cases, with a hat tip to those of you providing the briefs and legal documents in the comments; working together to generate thousands of calls to Senators around repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” in its most critical hour, and keeping an accurate whip count together; covering and engaging in marriage fights in New Hampshire and other states around the country; and covering other important issues of equality.

And you know what, I probably forgot a coupla things, like folks meeting and falling in love in the comments. Make sure you note what else we did together in the comments!

So happy anniversary, P8TTers, and here’s to another year together!

<pops champagne>

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  • 1. AndrewPDX  |  January 15, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Thank you Adam and everybody @ Courage Campaign for building this site for us… Some other accomplishments we’ve had this year:
    – learned more about the Appeals system than was ever taught in civics classes (thanks Karen & Ann)
    – learned some new recipes, all of which go great with MILK (thanks Nightshayde & Richard)
    – laughed a lot (thanks Anonygrl for the bus stories & Ronnie for the videos)
    – learned that we are not alone in this struggle (thanks Sheryl & Fiona)
    – launched FeedEquality.com (I wonder; how DID the H8er’s fasting thing go? Never heard a peep from them since it started. Were the pizza tables right outside too much temptation, so it lasted only 10 minutes or something?)
    – and most importantly, to proofread before posting (my kingdom for an edit button) and to check the subscribe box 1st.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

    • 2. bJason  |  January 15, 2011 at 9:28 am

      maybe “Kathleen” and Ann (for the civics lessons)? :)

      • 3. AndrewPDX  |  January 15, 2011 at 10:15 am

        Yes yes… Sorry Kathleen; that’s what I get for trying to proofread before my morning cup of coffee.

        Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

    • 4. Elizabeth Oakes  |  January 15, 2011 at 5:50 pm

      What he said. Thanks all.

  • 5. Sagesse  |  January 15, 2011 at 8:50 am

    I was directed to P8TT and Firedoglake at the beginning of the trial from Andrew Sullivan’s blog, The Daily Dish, and read the live blogging throughout the trial. I was curious to see how the case would be argued by both sides in a forum where you have to have evidence and facts.

    As many of you know, I am a Canadian straight woman, 60ish, who believes sincerely in civil rights for everyone… I just do, can’t remember ever thinking otherwise… like it should be obvious, or something. I didn’t really understand the fragmented civil rights landscape that faces LGBT people in the US, but I’ve been educated by my friends here. And I’ll probably stick around and provide what support I can from ‘the great white north’ until the work is done.

    Happy anniversary, all.

    • 6. BK  |  January 16, 2011 at 4:38 am

      I wish the U.S. could be more like Canada… the heads seem a bit more level up there. :)

      • 7. Sagesse  |  January 16, 2011 at 5:50 am

        Thanks for noticing, BK. The level-headedness is an accident of history and culture (prior to 1776, the continent all kind of ran together), but I’m glad we have it.

        I believe the key difference is that Canada never had slavery (in any meaningful way), nor the persistent underclass of society that was forced onto African Americans. It was as much an economic issue for the US as a cultural one. The civil war happened because the entire economy of the South was built on the availability of slave labour. Once the habit of treating a class of people as ‘less’ is established (and entrenched in law), It’s hard to break, and it is easy to slip back into it. David Boise has described the struggle very eloquently in interviews… ‘government sponsored discrimination’.

        I do feel a sense of undeserved privilege to live in country where human rights are a common sense fact of life. Americans deserve no less.

  • 8. Peterplumber  |  January 15, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Although I am a noobie to this group, I am proud & honored to be a part of it.
    I was living in Washington when Prop 8 was voted on. I was rooting for it to be defeated. I was disappointed at the outcome. But at that time I was involved in the Ref 71 battle. I paid some attention to what was going on here in California but was not deeply involved.
    In mid July of 2010, I was lured to San Diego, California by an employment offer which I could not refuse. Since my domestic partner and I have been together for over 6 years, we would love to actually be married. On August 4th we were ELATED to hear Judge Walker’s ruling! But also very disappointed to learn about the stay.
    So that’s when I got deeply involved with the Prop 8 fight and found this site.
    Thanks for taking me in!

    • 9. bJason  |  January 15, 2011 at 1:20 pm

      Thanks for joining us!

    • 10. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 15, 2011 at 7:18 pm

      Welcome to the P8TT family, peterplumber! It is always so good to have someone else here who is not afraid to smash stereotypes into smithereens. That to me has been another value of this family, because that was always one of the ways I felt isolated from others in the LGBT community–the fact that I am sort of a contradiction in terms to most of them. I have some traits that fit into some of the stereotypes, but for the most part I do not fit those stereotypes, so I usually find myself having to come out on a regular basis to others who are LGBT. And that sometimes is even harder than coming out to people who are straight. Thank you for being here and being yet another part of my reasons for staying in contact with my P8TT family!

  • 11. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 15, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Well, there was also the fact that the P8TT community also has spun off an organization to feed the hungry, and that DK represented my P8TT family when BZ and I went to Connecticut to get married. And yes, we have seen love blossom on this site. And we have also managed to get together in our local areas to meet face to face. All in all this has been a wonderful year. HAPPY ANNIVERSARY P8TT FAMILY!!!!!!!!

  • 12. Ann S.  |  January 15, 2011 at 9:09 am

  • 13. bJason  |  January 15, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Happy Anniversary!!

    It has been wonderful watching this family evolve from the beginning.

  • 14. Rich  |  January 15, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Happy Anniversary to all of us who have followed PT88. After our loss (Marriage Equality vote) to hate, bigotry and outright lies from the Catholic Church and NOM here in my state of Maine, I was overwhelmed with bitterness and despair. But, my partner and I and our children have shouldered on and through PT88 and other sites, we are once again standing tall and always ready to jump into the fray. Thank you everyone for the courage and perseverance to keep the light of equality shining bright.
    Now, if we can just get a recall going on our Tea Party embarrassment Governor Paul (“Go to Hell President O’Bama” and, just yesterday to the NAACP chapter in Maine, “Kiss my butt”) LePage. How embarrassing!!

  • 15. Ronnie  |  January 15, 2011 at 10:13 am

    I think one of the amazing things that came out of Tracker was the connecting of other National Equality groups…..Queer Rising, GetEQUAL, The various state Equality groups, Freedom Fighters, Feeding Equality, networking for the NO H8 Campaign & the “It Gets Better” Project , everybody sharing articles & videos they have found (BTW…AndrewPDX, you’re welcome & thanks for the shout out), & showing that the youth of this country are demanding that their voices for Equality be heard; be they LGBT or Straight, ALL faiths, nationalities, genders & races….

    It is just my observation, but I believe that the youth have given the older generations a renewed strength & fight for Equality & at the same time, the older generations have given the youth a new found sense of heritage, inclusion, protection, & the feeling that they are wanted & needed. As a member of the later half of Equality youth, I find myself wanted to do more because of what I see being done by those younger then me. I thank my elders so much for all that you have done to get us to this point…..YOU GOT US HERE!!!…..we are starting to see the huge strides from the results of your struggle for Equality & Freedom & I vow to do the same for those that come after me such as Constance McMllien, Derrick Martin, Ceara Sturgis, Augusta ‘Gus’ Dexheimer, Will Phillips, Shawn Walsh, Caleb Laieski & so many more…..

    Now with that, I would like to share this song with everybody, from Natasha Bedingfield called “Strip Me”…HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!!!

    “Everyday I fight for all my future somethings..A thousand little awards I have to choose between..I could spend a lifetime earning things I don’t need..That’s like chasing rainbows and coming home empty..And if you strip me, Strip it all away..If you strip me, What would you find If you strip me, Strip it all away..I’ll be alright………Take what you want..Steal my pride..Build me up..Or cut me down to size..Shut me out…But I’ll just scream..I’m only one voice in a million..But you aint taking that from me”


    • 16. Ronnie  |  January 15, 2011 at 10:20 am

      ugggg…& like AndrewPDX pointed out…I keep telling myself to proof read before I hit submit….but I don’t…..fixing one sentence….As a member of the later half of Equality youth, I find myself wanting to do more because of what I see being done by those younger then me……there…corrected…going to get coffee….LOVE ALL OF YOU!!!!…..<3…Ronnie

  • 17. Jonathan H  |  January 15, 2011 at 10:14 am

    They grow up so fast!

    Thank you, P8TT, for teaching me about law, and about the mind of commercial bigotry, and a little about myself.

    Thank you, and I hope we make you superfluous soon.

  • 18. Ray in MA  |  January 15, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Seems like a lot longer than 1 year!!!

    It’s been pain and pleasure.

  • 19. Joel  |  January 15, 2011 at 10:40 am

    I am so very grateful for community here. I have learned so much about law, activism, and our government. And I (and my husband) have received such wonderful support and warming feelings. I re-connected with an old friend (hi DaveP!) and made many new ones.

    I think the thing that has touched me most, has been the catalyst for many happy tears, is the coverage here of the “It gets better” campaign. I was bullied relentlessly in middle school, and wish that I had had those beautiful messages of hope and love and support. I am so glad those messages are out there now.

    Happy anniversary. Thanks for the enrichment you have brought to my life!

  • 20. rick jacobs  |  January 15, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Thanks for posting this, Adam. I have been thinking all week about this anniversary. It’s been a busy week, including a 24-hour round trip to NYC on Monday to beg for money for Courage/P8TT. More about that later.

    I’ll write a post a bit later today as well, but I cannot stop pass by here without saying “thank you.” Today we have fourteen comments. Each of you has something poignant to say, whether about watching us from Canada or working to win in Washington state or being the first to post documents (Kathleen!) or joining us after the 4 August ruling or starting new efforts to help other people or bringing other groups together or meeting each other.

    Step back and realize that that’s what this fight is all about. It’s all about community and love. It’s about sharing and living lives together. Oddly, it’s about the most mundane aspects of life, but it’s those ordinary, daily relationships that others take for granted that, soon enough, we’ll all be able to share.

    The past year changed the course of my life. One part of life that did not change was my fundamental belief in the goodness of people. The community here reinforces that.

    Happy Anniversary!

    More to come.


  • 21. Joel  |  January 15, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Oh! And I just found out that I’m a Gemini, not a Cancer!

    • 22. bJason  |  January 15, 2011 at 12:23 pm

      Sorry to hear that (from one – or two – Gemini(s) to the other)!


  • 23. Michelle Evans  |  January 15, 2011 at 11:05 am

    One of the big things I’ve seen come out of the P8TT is that a lot of people have found out they are not alone. In fact I would say that this may be the most important thing to ever come out of the passage of Prop 8. It has brought together the LGBT community in ways that were never dreamed of previously. We have a voice and it is being heard for the first time because of all that has happened.

    When I was a young kid, I knew I was transgender, even though the word had not yet been invented. I also truly believed that I was the only person in the world who suffered the way I did. I could not imagine how anyone else could be afflicted with the idea that somehow their body and mind were incongruent. The fact that we have this community now, provides a place where others find they are not alone. That is amazing and wonderful. If something like this had happened when I was growing up, how different my life would have been.

    We have a great diversity of people, yet all share the same basic goal of equality and progress. There are the occasional dissenters, but when confronted with their bigotry and fear, they usually cut and run fairly quickly.

    Happy Anniversary to the P8TT and all the wonderful people who have come together because of it!

    • 24. Ann S.  |  January 15, 2011 at 11:11 am

      I have met so many wonderful people through P8TT and learned so much. Michelle, you are one of the ones who’s taught me the most, and I thank you for sharing your stories, painful as it may sometimes be for you.

      This is a wonderful and vibrant community, and I am proud to be a part of it.

      • 25. Michelle Evans  |  January 15, 2011 at 11:24 am

        Thank you Ann. Glad I am here to meet you and all the other great individuals here, and to share my story.

        I have to say that life really still amazes me sometimes. I spent so many long years locked in my closet. Even with the love and knowledge of Cherie being by my side, it was so painful I never thought I would survive. Then, once I transitioned, how that literally changed my life in so many ways I never imagined were possible. I am happy with who I am for the first time ever, and on top of that, I got into the speaker’s groups and starting talking about my experiences with so many people.

        I still recall vividly the very first time I ever did that, which happened to be at the UCI Medical School in Irvine. I was sitting up on that very lonely stage of a large auditorium classroom, and actually talking openly about the one thing in my life I had always kept in the deepest recesses up until then. It was a very bizarre moment, and one I was able to relive just a few days ago, when earlier this week I was invited back to talk in the exact same room once again, to a new batch of med students.

        Now that transition is long in my past, it is hard to believe there was ever a time when I was not exactly as I am now. Hard to believe I was ever in the closet. Hard to believe I ever survived.

        • 26. bJason  |  January 15, 2011 at 12:32 pm

          My thanks for the gift of yourself here. I am a better person for having shared in your life.

          We all are one.

          With love and peace to you and Cherie,

        • 27. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 15, 2011 at 7:30 pm

          Michelle, I want to add my thanks that you have been here and have shared so much of your story with us. In fact, a friend of mine here in the area is starting a podcast that will begin airing on iTunes next week, called “What had Happened Was” and in the first episode, he will be talking with several transgenders in this area, asking questions about their experiences. I have in the past printed out copies of your posts here for him and he showed them to the transgender women (all MTF) to find out what similarities there were between your story and theirs. He said it actually increased his desire to have transgender issues on his podcast in an effort to promote greater understanding and break down more walls. So your influence and help is spreading further than you may have realized. Thank you so much for that! Love you, sis! And yes, I do consider you one of my sisters! How is Cherie’s foot doing? Hope all is going well there also!

          • 28. Michelle Evans  |  January 16, 2011 at 1:14 am

            Hi Richard, Been out at a play this evening (Alice in Wonderland), which was a wonderful diversion, so I apologize for not answering earlier.

            Thanks for your comments, and I am very proud to know that some of the things that I have written here may help others in understanding trans related issues.

            Cherie’s foot is doing much better now. Thanks for your concern. She’s actually doing rather well, just wish my legs worked as well as hers. :-) Hard to believe it has been just under two years since I had my accident that broke both my legs. January 23rd, an anniversary I am very glad to soon see come and gone.

          • 29. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:17 am

            That’s fine. I am also glad that all of us here are able to communicate so well, and to learn from one another. Glad to hear that Cherie’s foot is healing well. And believe me, I can understand about the anniversary of broken legs being one that you don’t want to remember. I get a reminder of August 13, 2008 every time the weather in our area is about to take a turn for the worst. That was when I was hit by an 18-year-old who was talking on the cell phone while driving. Steel plate and screws in my right wrist. Not fun at all. So I know how you feel about your legs.

  • 30. Mike Holzman  |  January 15, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Congrats guys. I love your blog and am sure I have contributed a few thousand of those 4 million hits. Keep up the great work. My husband and kids thank you too.

  • 31. Kathleen  |  January 15, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Like everyone else, I came to this site looking for a place to follow what was happening inside the courtroom during the trial.

    I had so hoped the trial would be televised. I signed the petition along with all the thousands of others, practically begging the Court to let the world see this trial. I was all set to get in line early to watch at the Pasadena federal courthouse, one of the remote locations where it was going to be available on closed circuit TV. And like so many, was deeply disappointed when the final word came down that it wasn’t going to be broadcast. (as an aside, I’m still hoping to see those tapes some day).

    The up side of having been deprived of that opportunity was that I found this site–the liveblogging, and the wonderful group of people who were commenting here. I was struck by how people from around the world – not just California, not just the USA – were so closely following this trial. I was struck by the level of engagement and how many smart, witty, passionate, compassionate, funny, talented, insightful and courageous people were gathered here, all hanging on every word being posted.

    Shortly after arriving here, I discovered that my education in the law afforded me an opportunity to help others better understand what was going on in the courtroom. I’m so grateful for having been able to serve this community in that way. And it’s so gratifying to see how many P8TTers can now answer questions about Constitution law and our legal system when new people show up and ask!!!

    In the past year, we’ve witnessed people in our community fall in love and others pick up the pieces as a relationship comes to an end; we’ve welcomed in new members to peoples’ families and mourned the passing of a friend. And we’re still here, welcoming new people into our “home” with offers of cookies and MILK and an invitation to become part of the family.

    I thank Courage Campaign for keeping this site going, but I am particularly grateful for all the people who continue to participate here. We ARE Prop 8 Trial Tracker; that’s what makes this site unique. This isn’t simply a site where a group of the same people frequently make comments on someone’s blog. Prop 8 Trial Tracker is a community of people who write posts and participate by way of the comments section – and TOGETHER we make the community that is Prop 8 Trial Tracker.


    • 32. bJason  |  January 15, 2011 at 12:45 pm

      Just when I think I cannot love you more!!!

      Please know that, while this site has been a ship through dark waters, YOU – above all – have been our compass.

    • 33. JonT  |  January 15, 2011 at 3:10 pm

      And big X’s and O’s to you Katheleen :)

      • 34. JonT  |  January 15, 2011 at 3:11 pm

        Kathleen, even.

        Maybe for the next year we can get an edit button :)

  • 35. GraciesDaddy  |  January 15, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    The love, laughter, tears and TRUTH have been a mainstay of P8TT.

    This was probably mentioned in the “P8TT Hits of 2010,” but I STILL tear up when I watch the vid from Madison, WI and the 400+ people who showed up — and showed UP — to greet BB and his miniscule crew.

    Makes it all worth it.

  • 36. Chris in Lathrop  |  January 15, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Happy Anniversary everyone! Like Ray in MA, it’s hard for me to believe it’s only been a year. So much has happened and so quickly, and then again sometimes the decision-making process seems to drag on so long…

    I’m really grateful to know everyone here. I have learned so much from everybody, especially about legal processes; I have Ann S., Kathleen and several others to thank for that. I have learned almost everything I know about transgender issues from Michelle. And I especially enjoy the camaraderie around here! I wish my schedule were a little more free so that I could come to events and meet some of you. Here’s hoping the stars align…

    Thanks also to Adam, Rick, Arisha and everyone who has worked so tirelessly to put together the Trial Tracker and the Tour Tracker series to keep us all up-to-the-minute updated about all these issues that we care about so much.

    A special thank-you to Straight Grandmother who pushed me out of lurk mode.

    And thanks everybody for not shutting me down when I get annoying. I know I do sometimes. :)

    • 37. celdd  |  January 15, 2011 at 1:45 pm

      I started commenting too more frequently because of Straight Grandmother. I miss her. Does anyone know why she no longer posts?

      • 38. bJason  |  January 15, 2011 at 4:13 pm

        I have been wondering about her, also.

        • 39. Ray in MA  |  January 16, 2011 at 7:53 pm

          OK I tried to stay out of thi… BUT,

          Hypocracy is in the eye of the beholder. In the circumstances at hand the accused may have to maintain a personal balance between reality and an instinct for survival.

          Tauniting is an agrresive behavior.

          Mark (Seattle), I could show you a P8TT URL that proves that there was taunting. It’s in Black & White. Google it if you need to.

          This dark side of P8TT could have been easily avoided…

          Please, whenever there is someone who you have a personal issue with in this “community”, politely avoid them and interact with the many other people here who you have the opportunity to have a more pleasuarable/civil discourse with.

          I’ve stepped back from a number of you in order to keep peace here. We all have so much in common that variances among us may not be worth causing bad will.

          If you find that such a person keeps popping up in your subscriptions … suck it up, get a helmet, or just view the posts here as they come in.

          SG has the community right to make friends here as much as anyone else. Suggesting that SG post from within a closet is outrageous, rude, and….! (hints of a DADT policy!)

      • 40. Ray in MA  |  January 15, 2011 at 8:21 pm

        On a dark side of P8TT, she was challenged on her anonymity.

        Straight Grandmother felt her reasons were justifiable, but others (here) pushed her over the edge.

        Her heart was with us, but some people here couldn’t understand and drove her away.

        • 41. Kathleen  |  January 15, 2011 at 8:26 pm

          We clearly have a different perspective on what this was really about … but that’s okay.

          • 42. Ray in MA  |  January 15, 2011 at 8:41 pm

            I should have qualified that this was only my impression…I may not have seen ALL of the posts… feel free to clarify.

            If this wasn’t the case INQUIRING MINDs want to know!

          • 43. Chris in Lathrop  |  January 16, 2011 at 7:40 am

            Thanks for the updates, Ray and Kathleen. I definitely miss her input and would like to know what’s going on. When did this all happen? I went looking for her last post about a month ago, and I didn’t see any indication then that there was a problem. What did I miss?

        • 44. BK  |  January 16, 2011 at 4:34 am

          I’m confused about all this, but I do miss her input.

          • 45. Sheryl Carver  |  January 16, 2011 at 9:22 am

            Me, too.

            If, in fact, she left because she felt attacked, that is truly unfortunate. Personal attacks are common on many sites, but P8TT should be & usually is a safe place to express one’s opinions without fear. Discussion/disagreement, OK; personal attacks, Not OK.

            I hope Straight Grandmother is well & visits here even if she no longer posts.

          • 46. Kate  |  January 16, 2011 at 4:50 pm

            Since I am one of the people who knows who you are (and frankly, my dear, do not give a damn), I would like to publicly point out here that your saying I “taunted” you is a boldfaced lie. In fact, you know that I (and apparently the others who had already looked you up before I did) were quite clear about saying that we had no intention of “outing” you despite your cruelty here to both Kathleen and Mark. You will also recall that YOU were the one who wanted Mark and me to contact you off this board where no witnesses to your verbal abuse would be present.

        • 47. StraightGrandmother  |  January 16, 2011 at 2:07 pm

          In fact Ray that is exactly what happened. I could not accept the fact that two individuals here on P8TT using informationI had shared over many months went out on the internet and determined my off line true identity and taunted me with this information here on P8TT. I recognized a threat when I saw one and dropped out. I have said many many times, I will not jeoprodize my daughters employment by posting my name on the internet. If I post my name I am effictively posting her name. Additionally I am a small business owner and 98% of my clients are Republicans. I mean in hard core red states like Texas and Georigia and Utah. I have seen how we ourselves are the first to shout BOYCOTT when we find a business who is anti-Equality. If I still worked for GE and if my daughter had a different last name I would be the first one to put my name out there. Very few people here on P8TT post with their true name. If you can, hey good for you. Just understand there are many who have good reasons for not doing so.

          As you say I was challanged, I gave my reasons and still 2 people felt the need to go out and find my identity and taunt me with it here. I took it for the serious threat that it is. I flashed back to when Fiona64 told us about being stalked. AND not one person here on P8TT objected. Not.One.Person.
          You would never out a gay person on your own, yet it was perfectly fine to tell me, “Watch Out StraightGrandmother I know who you are” in effect threatning to out me. I am not overeaching to be concerned, look we all know Louis and Maggie read the blog here.


          Even now my hands are shaking as I post. Adam, Rick, Eden if these two people come back here and publish my name or intitails, PLEASE for the first time, remove that post. I am taking a huge chance even by posting today.

          • 48. Kathleen  |  January 16, 2011 at 2:20 pm

            Just for the record, I never objected to you remaining anonymous. My problem with you, in this particular matter, has always been your hypocrisy. On numerous occasions you encouraged – practically pushed – people to come out in real life. You continued pushing the point even when they told you that to do so would mean risking losing their jobs, connections to their families, and in some cases, their physical safety. Yet you continued to push, all while remaining unwilling to identify yourself by your real name, fearing you might lose customers for your olive oil business if you identified yourself as a straight ally on a public board.

            THAT was what I (and others) objected to, not your choice to remain anonymous.

          • 49. JonT  |  January 16, 2011 at 5:48 pm

            Along with what Kathleen said:

            I am the ‘other’ individual (besides Kate, above) who spent 15 minutes on google to find out who you were.

            I did this after yet *another* post telling everyone how they should risk their lives/careers/friendships by coming out, while you steadfastly maintained that your position was so powerful and unique that you could not risk it. And you are not even LGBT!

            My posting that I had also figured out your identity was not a ‘taunt’ or a threat.

            I did not post your identity, and never will – I really could care less to be perfectly honest with you. I respected your views and posts on some subjects, and totally despised your attacks on Mark M and your hypocrisy with regard to protecting your identity.

            My intent was to demonstrate to you how utterly ignorant your position on the matter was, considering that you provided more than enough information in one post to uniquely identify yourself.

            Protip: If you want to remain anon, do not post uniquely identifying information about yourself, and then constantly talk about how you must remain anon.

            I would encourage you to post here in anyway you see fit. Really, I’m serious. Diversity in views makes for a strong community.

            I may agree with you on some subjects, and disagree with you on others – but in NO WAY am I, nor will I, taunt or threaten you.

            I am not an asshole or a bully. But I will point out hypocrisy when I see it. And boy, did I see loads of it on that particular day.

          • 50. Mark M (Seattle)  |  January 16, 2011 at 5:55 pm

            Just for a tad bit of truth and clarification here, No ONE taunted you…we simply called you out on the hateful selfish nasty insulting conduct…..mentioning we also were able to find out your iD based on info you yourself provided was only to let you know that you may THINK you don;t post your ID for all the world to see, in fact you do simply by the bits of info you provide.
            I could careless if you came back to posting here, but will be just as vigilant at calling you out on any future hateful insulting behavior towards me or anyone else.

          • 51. Elizabeth Oakes  |  January 16, 2011 at 6:02 pm

            Straight Grandmother, if you sincerely believe you are “taking a huge chance even by posting today,” why are you posting? I’m sorry, but that’s a bit incredible to me, in the literal sense of the word.

            If what you say is true and your livelihood/health/daughter’s job is threatened by posting here, then I disagree with JonT (respectfully, of course–sorry Jon): you should NOT post here. You should ABSOLUTELY not take that kind of risk. No sensible person would. If you continue to post here under that kind of duress, it would be reasonable to wonder why you would do so and continue to endanger yourself and your family.

          • 52. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 16, 2011 at 6:53 pm

            Also, I had asked you several times to contact me via PM on Facebook, or even to go to my blog so I could get in touch with you about ordering olive oil from you, and possibly even helping to build enough of a business in the very community you claim to be so supportive of, to help with replacing the income you would possibly lose, and you never got in touch with me. I guess I wasn’t good enough to buy your olive oil and try to be a source of future sales for you by having some on hand with which to allow friends of mine who look for quality olive oil to sample and then order. Oh, well.

          • 53. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  January 17, 2011 at 6:15 am

            Hi SG from Utah!

            I seems you got your feeling hurts when you typed “Not.One.Person.Here.Objected”……which to me sounds like you feel EVERYONE is against you—-not necessarily for my part. Whenever I see a post that starts to turn into a big debate or see those I care about “arguing” or having a disagreement I sometimes choose to not participate. My silence is not agreement, it means I choose not to get involved or feel I don’t have enough information about the whole story to have an opinion…..and worth mentioning we are PASSIONATE people fueled by the indignation of inequality for LGBTIQQ persons! Fires ignite!

            Despite any differences mentioned here or hurt feelings as result of misunderstanding, I wish you and you family well. I cheer for you and everyone else with each victory accomplished! (when DADT was repealed I gave my silent “shout out” to SG too!)

            Love, Gregory

        • 54. Ray in MA  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:04 pm

          Re-posted in a more approporiate sequence:

          OK I tried to stay out of this… BUT,

          Hypocracy is in the eye of the beholder. In the circumstances at hand the accused may have to maintain a personal balance between reality and an instinct for survival.

          Tauniting is an agrresive behavior.

          Mark (Seattle), I could show you a P8TT URL that proves that there was taunting. It’s in Black & White. Google it if you need to.

          This dark side of P8TT could have been easily avoided…

          Please, whenever there is someone who you have a personal issue with in this “community”, politely avoid them and interact with the many other people here who you have the opportunity to have a more pleasuarable/civil discourse with.

          I’ve stepped back from a number of you in order to keep peace here. We all have so much in common that variances among us may not be worth causing bad will.

          If you find that such a person keeps popping up in your subscriptions … suck it up, get a helmet, or just view the posts here as they come in.

          SG has the community right to make friends here as much as anyone else. Suggesting that SG post from within a closet is outrageous, rude, and….! (hints of a DADT policy!)

          • 55. Elizabeth Oakes  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:09 pm

            I’m perturbed by this rhetoric about the “dark side”–!(hints of Satanic epithets!) I’d like to see these URLs showing the conversations and judge for myself how “dark side” it was. Where can I find them, Ray?

          • 56. JonT  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:44 pm

            Sigh. If we must, on a one year anniversary post: :(

            Start here: http://prop8trialtracker.com/2010/09/19/whistlin-past-the-trial-legal-analysis-of-prop-8-teams-opening-brief-part-two/

            Starting at post #135. And read them *all*. Kate and I begin ‘taunting’ around post #… well, continue reading in a linear fashion until you find it :)

            There’s other history prior to that post if you really care, particularly the attacks on Mark M, which I found particularly offensive and ignorant.

            I will reiterate: I would like SG to resume participating here. I know I am not alone in this desire.

            I think her perspective is as important as anyone else’s. But I will call her on her shit when I see it. And she should know that.

            I will accept the admonishment of my peers here, should you all feel it is deserved.

          • 57. Chris in Lathrop  |  January 17, 2011 at 6:14 am

            Thanks, JonT, I was about to post that link myself.

            Looks like I totally missed the blowup, and I’m sorry to anyone–Mark, Kathleen, Kate and you in particular–I have caused any pains over dredging this up. Totally my fault for re-opening any wounds here, and for not seeing the depths of pain Straight Grandmother was causing. I’m just socially inept sometimes, and I’m sorry.

          • 58. Sheryl Carver  |  January 17, 2011 at 8:42 am

            Like Chris, I missed or didn’t recall the original heated exchange, so I also apologize for adding my comment wondering about SG’s absence on P8TT.

          • 59. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  January 18, 2011 at 11:36 am

            Ray you are right about one thing in your post and one thing only….the ‘darker side’ of P8TT could have easily been avoided…it could have been avoided by SG opening her mind and her heart, and shutting down her ego and her hateful comments.
            For months I put up with her saying things like, ‘The need for equality is greater for my family than it is for yours’…accusing my sick and dying husband and I of not needing marriage since we have all the legal paperwork we need already……of stating that her daughter is more deserving since they have small children.
            The constant call from her towards others to ‘Be aggressive, be more IN YOUR FACE, to risk arrest for the good of the movement’, all while claiming the need to be anon…..and for what? She stated she needed to stay anon so as to protect her family business, her families safety and jobs……did no one else’s family, jobs, or very lives matter? In her very words they do NOT matter as much as hers.
            On more than one occasion she has insulted, disrespected, and dismissed me, my family, and the very community she claims to support.
            Once called out on this she turns to the same tired ole lines used by NOM and the like….”I am the victim here…feel bad for ME…..look at what these mean Gays are doing to ME”
            Frankly I got sick of it, as did many others who were able to follow her pattern of abuse and hypocrisy.
            She is certainly welcome to again post here, but she will be closely watched by myself and others to insure she does not slip back into her hateful selfish ways.

          • 60. Kathleen  |  January 19, 2011 at 7:32 am

            Chris in Lathrop and Sheryl Carver, I wasn’t going to say anything, trying to let this thread die… but didn’t want to let an apology go unacknowledged. You did anything to apologize for. But thank you for understanding. xoxo

          • 61. Kathleen  |  January 19, 2011 at 7:44 am

            That was supposed to read “You didn’t do anything to apologize for.” Morning coffee, here I come!

  • 62. Tracy  |  January 15, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    I found comfort here when I needed help — you are all a wonderful community, and I am so glad to have been a small part of it.

    Ronnie, when I needed help, you posted a song that has become very meaningful to me. Thank you. To everyone else, your posts got me through some tough times. It does get better. I recently found the love of my life. Below is part of a post I made at NOM that will probably be rejected:

    “As for myself, I am a female, divorced twice, and I cannot have children. Many of the arguments against marriage equality also argue against my own right to marry the person I love. In fact, I recently fell head over heels in love with someone very special — and discovered that I’ve never truly been in love before. I want to marry this person. None of you know me, and my happiness or lack thereof means nothing to you. This person is the love of my life, and to have to remain apart will rip into our lives and our happiness like nothing else can. How do you feel about causing that pain? Do you feel anything at all?

    In truth, this person is a man. Do you feel differently now that you know? Why should it matter?”

    The truth is that it doesn’t matter. Life is short. I have a heart condition, and I pray every day that Life will last long enough for me to show my future husband what he means to me. But there will always be a darkness overshadowing my life, knowing that so many people are not allowed that joy. This website has been a haven for so many worthy people and wonderful, loving couples. Not to wax poetic, but — God is love, and he is on OUR side. I am loathe to say “OUR” because I do not suffer the pain that many of you have. I can marry the man I love, and I intend to do that — and I feel intense pain that by doing so, it feels like a betrayal to many of those here that I respect and care for. Ironically, though I recognize your right to feel that betrayal, I think many of you would wish me well anyway. Because I have come to know you all as wonderful, giving, and loving human beings.

    Thank you all for being who you are. For speaking out for equality. For continuing to love others and love your country, even under these trying circumstances. All my love to all of you! This website has opened a new world for me, and perhaps for many of you. Thank you… I can’t even begin to tell you how much you have all changed my life. I only wish that I could do the same for you all.

    • 63. Tracy  |  January 15, 2011 at 12:55 pm

      Update: Yes, my post was rejected by NOM — no surprise there, but what a shame…

    • 64. Michelle Evans  |  January 15, 2011 at 2:26 pm

      Tracy said: “Do you feel differently now that you know? Why should it matter?”

      As I’m sure you know Tracy, it would never matter to anyone here what your orientation is and who you choose to love. You are absolutely right that it is up to you to make those decisions. We all thank you for being here to share them with us, and share the pain that so many of us suffer because of others who do not want to allow us that individual choice.

      I’m sure I speak for everyone here that we all wish you the absolute best with your life, your future husband, and with your health. It is horrible for all of us to know that someone out there is in pain. If nothing else, I hope you know that we here are thinking of you and hope that the darkness may somehow go away. With the love of your future husband, I’m sure that, no matter what, the light will definitely shine for you.

      • 65. Tracy  |  January 15, 2011 at 2:40 pm

        Michelle, thank you for such a kind response — he and I love each other immensely, and that won’t change. I dream of marrying him, and I know that many of you share the same dream, for you and your loved ones. I won’t stop praying that you all realize that dream — the equality of those loving relationships. I have always believed that marriage is significantly devalued by denying the right to marry for LGBT persons. It somehow turns marriage into a vehicle for hate, and that hurts everyone. It seems strange to me that others – like NOM – hold the opposite view. Thank you again for your kindness. God bless you and your loved ones. :)

      • 66. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 15, 2011 at 7:23 pm

        And Tracy, if you would be so kind, please share the wedding pictures with us. You are such a sweet, kind, loving young lady that it would only add to our joy to see those pictures. And take it as an honor that NOM did not allow your post to get past their moderators. You see, your post was too eloquent, too enlightened, and too honest for them to let their sheeple see it. After all, their sheeple might realize the truth, and they would then leave NOM, which would cut into NOM’s money. And yes, there is a great light shining on you and shining forth from you. That light is the light of love. Thank you for being here and sharing with us.

      • 67. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  January 17, 2011 at 5:43 am

        I second Michelle & Richard’s response! Matter’s not a whit to me who you choose to love and/or marry! Best of everything to you Tracy!

  • 68. Ruby Reid  |  January 15, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Happy Anniversary to P8TT and thanks to all of you in this community who make P8TT the phenomenal forum for discussion, information sharing, and relationship-building amongst supporters of equality that it is.

    4 million views is truly awesome! I am thrilled to know that your voices are being heard and that so many people are paying attention to this issue. without P8TT I fear the general public would have gone back to their regular lives after Prop 8 passed without noticing anything about the trials or participating in such a powerful way in the dialogue.

    THANK YOU to everyone in this community. You are my inspiration


    • 69. Tracy  |  January 15, 2011 at 1:01 pm

      Ruby — I too have found this website to be an inspiration… it is the people here that make it amazing. It’s shocking to me that NOM persons have no idea that their position is truly anti-marriage…. if only they could experience the love and humanity here, maybe their eyes could be opened. Not likely, but stranger things have happened….

  • 70. James Tuttle  |  January 15, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    I love P8TT!!!

  • 71. Ray in MA  |  January 15, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Here it is!!!!

    Day 1 on the P8TT:


    This day will live in infamy!

    • 72. Kathleen  |  January 15, 2011 at 1:41 pm

      Ray, thank you for finding that!!! So, our anniversary is really Jan 10, the day before the trial started.

      • 73. Ray in MA  |  January 15, 2011 at 7:38 pm


        This blog is like nothing I’ve ever experienced…as like many others here, you are recoginzed as a STAR on P8TT. (please don’t blush).

        Actually, when I posted this link I thought “Kathleen will like this”. How did I “know” that?

        • 74. Kathleen  |  January 15, 2011 at 7:39 pm


        • 75. adambink  |  January 16, 2011 at 7:01 am

          This is one of my favorite movies. For some reason, I always thought Julie Andrews might be a touch better than Deborah Kerr in this role.

          • 76. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:31 am

            Yes, but wasn’t Julie busy filming The Sound of Music, Mary Poppins, or Chitty Chitty Bang Bang when The King and I was being filmed?

          • 77. Elizabeth Oakes  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:33 am

            Not “Chitty Chitty Bang Bang”, dear–that was Sally Ann Howes. :)

          • 78. Kathleen  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:47 am

            Agreed, Julie Andrews would have been great in this role, but I don’t think her movie career hadn’t started yet. Richard, The King and I is about 10 years older than those movies you know Julie Andrews from.

          • 79. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:49 am

            My goof. But I know that Julie was in several Disney movies with Dick van Dyke in addition to Mary Poppins. Of course, I still remember one of my favorite lines from Mary Poppins:

            “I once knew a man with a wooden leg named Smith!”
            “What was the name of his other leg?”

            Corny, I know, but I was a very young thing when I saw Mary Poppins and that is one of the lines that just stuck with me.

          • 80. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:52 am

            Thanks for the correction. If that is the case, then that would have been when Julie was still performing in the West End.

          • 81. Elizabeth Oakes  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:56 am

            That was the joke that killed the Elder Mr. Dawes!!! (also played by Dick van Dyke.)

          • 82. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 16, 2011 at 9:05 am

            Yes, it was. And if I remember correctly, for the cause of death, the local coroner wrote that Mr. Dawes died laughing!

          • 83. Elizabeth Oakes  |  January 16, 2011 at 9:11 am

            Okay…gotta post this now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gpjk_MaCGM

            John Cleese’s “Zat’s not funny!” death is hilarious.

      • 84. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 15, 2011 at 7:47 pm

        And I have to admit that Kathleen, Ann S., Trish, Carpool Cookie, and our other legal eagles here have done with legalese what my favorite accounting teacher, Ms. Montague did with stocks and bonds issues in accounting–you all broke it down into terms I could understand, and never made me feel like an idiot when you did so. If anything, our legal eagles here actually made me feel as if I were smarter for asking the questions I had. Thanks so much for that! I truly feel as if I have gotten the coursework for a Constitutional Law degree while coming to this site.

        • 85. Ray in MA  |  January 15, 2011 at 7:54 pm

          Richard & I appear to agree on a lot of things!

        • 86. Ann S.  |  January 16, 2011 at 9:32 am

          And now I’m blushing, too. I feel that I am in esteemed company indeed! Including Ms. Montague, who sounds like a gem.

          • 87. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 16, 2011 at 12:08 pm

            She was. Like you, Kathleen, Trish, and Carpool Cookie, who so obviously love your careers in law, Ms. Montague loves her career as an accountant and and accounting professor, and it shows. I had taken accounting twice before and always stumbled when I got to the corporate accounting section, especially how to account for the varying amounts of other companies a particular company may own stocks and bonds from. It just wasn’t clicking for me. However, when I had Ms. Montague, the way she explained it, not only did it finally click for me, but it clicked in such a way that I was able to help others in the class who were having problems with that part of it.

        • 88. Chris in Lathrop  |  January 16, 2011 at 10:35 am

          Yes! I am so sorry to have neglected mentioning Trish and Carpool Cookie specifically!

    • 89. JonT  |  January 15, 2011 at 3:09 pm

      heh, and only 3 comments on it.

      We’ve had threads here that exceeded 500 since then :)

      • 90. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 15, 2011 at 7:48 pm

        There are now four comments on it. This was one of the early posts that I missed, so I have only now been able to get there and sign up for it.

        • 91. Ray in MA  |  January 15, 2011 at 7:59 pm

          You rascal Richard!

          Didn’t you learn from the “Time Tunnel” not to change history?!?! Oh no!!!

  • 92. Carpool Cookie  |  January 15, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Happy Anniversary, All!

    This site has added a lot to my life, in that it’s helped me explain what’s going on with the issues to many people in a more accurate way. Even though I work in a law office, I basically followed the Prop H8 issues through headlines…but how do you compare and analyze headlines? This site helps me do that.

    Plus, I’ve often felt about the H8ers, Who wants to be with them, anyway? This issue of being for Marriage Equality attracts our world’s best. I love reading the posts of enlightened, warm-hearted people.

    I found the site because I could not attend the initial trial in San Francisco, and did an Interne search on “court transcripts”. And the door opened…

  • 93. JonT  |  January 15, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Wow. A whole year.

    I originally came to this site via a post on JMG a day or so after the trial started. I’ll have to go hunting to see what my first post was :)

    Since then I’ve met many wonderful people, and read more legal documentation than I ever thought I’d read :)

    This is the only blog I ever ‘regularly’ participate in, though I read many others.

    Thanks to everyone here who makes p8tt the welcoming place it is. I look forward to another year of victory and friendship :)

  • 94. Lesbians Love Boies  |  January 15, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Happy belated Anniversary to everyone.

    Two wonderful friends of mine from Tucson (J and M – not sure if they want their names here, they don’t post much) went to California and got married when same sex marriage was legal. When the trial started, I came here in honor of them. To listen and to learn.

    I couldn’t come up with the list of people I have met here, become friends with, cried with, laughed with, argued with…etc.

    But I know that in 10 years we will all still be friends, probably still laughing, crying and arguing, but hopefully for a different reason.

  • 95. Sagesse  |  January 15, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Has this been posted?

    Momentum growing in Maryland legislature to legalize gay marriage


    • 96. BK  |  January 16, 2011 at 4:29 am

      Whoopee! It’s fine if that’s been posted before; many people (myself included) would have missed it the first time.

  • 97. Elizabeth Oakes  |  January 15, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    It has been a joy to meet you all and learn, to see everyone help keep our star shining brightly and our ship on true course towards it. Couldn’t think of a better crew or stouter company for this journey. Thanks to all.

    Much love, eliz.

    • 98. Elizabeth Oakes  |  January 15, 2011 at 6:05 pm

      Oh and hey, correct me if I’m wrong (and maybe this should be under the “gloat post”) but, um….the little Foundation for Faith and Freedom lawyer doesn’t seem to have submitted an appeal to the US Supreme Court re: denial of his client’s status to appeal yet.. Doe that mean the Imperial County Standing Issue finally been spanked into nonexistence, or are they just taking their sweet time? Is there a limitation on how long they can take to appeal? I’m standing by to gloat really hard on this one….

      • 99. Kathleen  |  January 15, 2011 at 6:10 pm

        I think they have 30 days from the date of the decision in which to file a notice of appeal.

        • 100. Elizabeth Oakes  |  January 15, 2011 at 6:13 pm

          So that was January 4th–a couple more weeks to go. Thanks Kathleen….we’ll see what happens, I guess.

  • 101. Up&Adam  |  January 15, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Happy Anniversary everyone. I have enjoyed this site very much with it’s many varied peoples from all walks of life. Each and every one of you have helped me cope when I was feeling blue with your stories & experiences of love and relationships. I feel our shared goal is within reach and we will have much to celebrate in the months and years to come. Thanks for being here!

  • 102. Ronnie  |  January 15, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Congratulations to Miss New York, Claire Buffie for winning 1 of the 2 American’s Choice finalists to be in the Top 15 in the Miss American 2011 Pageant airing right now…..Miss Claire Buffie works for Apple, Is a member of PFLAG, & is competing on a Equality Platform……Here is the video From Miss New York, Claire Buffie, who won America’s hearts….<3….Ronnie:

    • 103. Ronnie  |  January 15, 2011 at 6:59 pm

      uggg….America’s choice….Miss America 2011…I really don’t like my auto type on my computer…I need to turn that off…..lol…….Yay! Miss New York…..<3…Ronnie

      • 104. Joel  |  January 15, 2011 at 11:31 pm

        As Jon Stewart said (paraphrase): Finally. A contestant whoo is aware if her audience, LOL

        • 105. Kathleen  |  January 15, 2011 at 11:47 pm

          lol. That’s what Robert said, too — at least she knows who her audience is!

  • 106. cc  |  January 15, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Once again, thank you Prop 8 Trial Tracker and this wonderful community! I have cried with you, wanted to bang my fist against the key board, hit refresh way to many times and most importantly laughed and cheered in celebration with you all! Thank You and see you tomorrow!

  • 107. jw  |  January 15, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    first post … but i have been reading the blog and posts daily. it’s been amazing to read the live-blogging, the articles, the analysis, and the comments from some really amazingly insightful people.

    • 108. Elizabeth Oakes  |  January 15, 2011 at 9:34 pm

      So….this will be the first post of many, right jw? Say YES. :)

    • 109. Kathleen  |  January 15, 2011 at 10:09 pm

      So happy you posted, jw!! I hope you join in more often.

    • 110. BK  |  January 16, 2011 at 4:27 am

      Welcome! :)

  • 111. Don in Texas  |  January 16, 2011 at 12:14 am

    El Pasoans for Equality protest religious instigator of discriminatory anti-gay domestic partner ordinance.

    (Note links to previous articles on right side for background.)

    • 112. Ann S.  |  January 16, 2011 at 11:35 am

      Good to know they’re not all against equality, deep in the heart of Texas.

  • 113. Franck  |  January 16, 2011 at 2:18 am

    Happy anniversary to all!

    There’s plenty of things I gained here. People to talk to, valuable news and advice, lots of advance warning for bad news (hey, that’s more valuable than one would think) and did I mention really nice people to talk to?

    – Franck P. Rabeson
    Days spent apart from my fiancé because of DOMA: 1304 days, as of today.

  • 114. BK  |  January 16, 2011 at 4:25 am

    Happy Anniversary! Best wishes to the P8TT team, too. Let’s make this year even better than our first–we’ve seen what this group is capable of. :)

  • 115. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 16, 2011 at 7:57 am

    Just when I thought the state I was born in was beginning to make some progress toward entering the 20th Century, they go and do this.


    • 116. Chris in Lathrop  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:59 am

      Didn’t these two clowns get the memo that WV is for lovers???

      • 117. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 16, 2011 at 9:06 am

        Apparently not! And I only wish they were clowns. At least clowns give me a reason to laugh!

        • 118. Chris in Lathrop  |  January 16, 2011 at 9:21 am

          Sorry, clowns scare the Hel out of me. ;)

          • 119. Kate  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:33 pm

            I feel the same way! I thought I was the only one. And the clowns that scare me the most are the Shriners.

  • 120. Sheryl Carver  |  January 16, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Just adding my thanks to all who have made P8TT the wonderful, informative, inspirational site that it is!

    I, too, would never have thought I would ever eagerly read entire legal documents, nor stay glued to Congressional debates & votes on C-Span. I have learned so much about our legal & legislative system in the past year!

    Unfortunately, I’ve also learned how unscrupulous NOM & other religious right organizations are in their attempts to turn the US into a theocracy. Still, better to know your enemies & the lengths to which they will go to try to stamp you out of existence.

    On a happier theme, may 2011 bring major advances in Equal Rights for All!

  • 121. Straight For Equality  |  January 16, 2011 at 11:34 am

    A belated “Happy Anniversary”!

    Like many others, I found P8TT on the first day of the trial when I was looking for some kind of coverage. I followed the blog (as well as another) all during the trial, read the transcripts when they became available, and watched the trial reenactment. Had the trial been televised to the general public, I would never have found P8TT.

    I am more of a listener than a talker. I don’t post very often, but you can bet that I am lurking in the background. I feel like I know many of you now.

    Thanks to P8TT, I have learned a lot and become better armed to fight against anti-marriage bigots here in NH. We must be forever vigilant. The more battles we win, the more the other side will re-open settled issues, like marriage equality in NH.

    Thank you for the information, both legal and personal, that has increased my understanding of LGBT issues.

  • 122. rick jacobs  |  January 16, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Dear Straight and our other friends:

    Just know that the staff of Courage is propelled by each and all of you. The year is barely two weeks old and so much has happened. I’ll never forget how I spent MLK weekend last year. And remember, too, how few of the LGBT national groups thought this trial was a good idea? What a difference a year and some victories make!

    More to follow. Keep writing. Keep reminiscing and keep welcoming. You are the soul of the movement.


    • 123. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 16, 2011 at 2:36 pm

      Thanks, Rick. Now if we can get someone like AFER to come to NC for a class action suit.

  • 124. AnonyGrl  |  January 16, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Not unlike my late arrival in this thread, my arrival on P8TT was a little late too. I’d been following the news about the trial on line in various sources, but was looking for information as to when closing arguments would be when I found P8TT. For a couple of weeks I went all lurky and read back through the transcripts, then finally jumped in and started to talk to all you fine lunatics.

    Thank goodness for that! This place has been fantastic! I’ve found some great friends, learned some amazing things, and even started up a new charity (not at ALL what I thought would happen the day I first said “hi”).

    It has been quite amazing and wonderful. Thanks to everyone, the folks who run the place, as well as those who inhabit it. Happy Anniversary all!!!

    • 125. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 16, 2011 at 3:07 pm

      I believe you also began work on a screenplay during the first NOM tour;;One Man, One Woman, One Bus Driver. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember reading many hilarious scenes from that screenplay, and discussions among us as to who would play which characters.

  • 126. Papa Foma  |  January 16, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    There must be other love stories – but a 5000 mile gap was closed for Felyx and Kevyn with their Holiday card production from Russia with love. It was not the technology which united them (although it certainly helped) – it was the spirit of P8TT that allowed a common cause to turn to romance. All the familiar names which have appeared on my monitor are friends in the same magic way! — Papa

  • 127. Mark M (Seattle)  |  January 16, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Happy Anniversary !!!!!!!!
    Can’t believe it’s been a whole year already….and what a year it’s been. WOW!
    Hope you are all well, happy, and surrounded by those you love and are loved by.

    Big Furry Bear Hugs
    Mark and Robert

    Our wedding date has been set
    April 27th 2011
    Council Bluffs Iowa

    • 128. Ann S.  |  January 16, 2011 at 6:02 pm

      Mark, that is so exciting!! I hope it’s a wonderful and beautiful event!

      • 129. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  January 17, 2011 at 7:01 am

        yay April 27th!

    • 130. Elizabeth Oakes  |  January 16, 2011 at 6:09 pm

      Hey, congrats! A sweet and long life to you both, and I hope you have a fantastic wedding.

    • 131. Kathleen  |  January 16, 2011 at 6:10 pm

      Congratulations. Can hardly wait for the pictures!!!!

      • 132. JonT  |  January 16, 2011 at 6:12 pm

        Curses Kathleen, always one step ahead :)

      • 133. Kathleen  |  January 16, 2011 at 6:15 pm

        Naw, just a second vote for pictures. :)

    • 134. JonT  |  January 16, 2011 at 6:11 pm

      Yay! :)

      Congrats – take pictures for us!

    • 135. Kate  |  January 16, 2011 at 6:28 pm

      Oh, Mark — that is WONDERFUL news!!!!!

    • 136. Richard A. Jernigan  |  January 16, 2011 at 6:56 pm

      CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!! looking forward to seeing the pictures! Have fun, guys, and continue taking care of each other. All the best from the rabbi and rebbitizen of Hope Mills, NC.

    • 137. Ronnie  |  January 16, 2011 at 8:24 pm

      Yay…more celebrations….Congrats, Mark M……<3….Ronnie

    • 138. Mark M (Seattle)  |  January 16, 2011 at 10:32 pm

      It’s going to be a quiet very private ceremony…Robert is just not up to a big showy affair.
      Will do our best to get as many pix as possible :-)
      It will be so nice after 28 years to have it actually be legal and mean something.
      Thank you for all the sweet comments :-)

    • 139. Franck  |  January 16, 2011 at 11:59 pm

      I have only two things to say: Congratulations! and Pictures!

      • 140. fiona64  |  January 17, 2011 at 1:24 pm

        This. ^^


  • 141. Casey  |  January 16, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Mazel Tov!!

  • 142. Mark M (Seattle)  |  January 16, 2011 at 10:28 pm

  • 143. AB  |  January 16, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    What I don’t understand is this: the logic that Congress used to bas DOMA has been rejected by Supreme Courts in Iowa and Massachusetts and Connecticut, to name a few. They were also rejected in California; and, in federal court over challenges to same-sex marriage laws, the law failed before a federal judge and prove to be one of the more unpersuasive arguments they have in the appellate court (which is why they have had to result to this new argument about the Crawford case).
    Now, presumably Mr. Brown knows all of this. And if he knows all of this, then one question looms: why would he want to press this tired assertion in yet another court? It seems to me like the Obama administration is actually doing the right thing (that is, if they want to win, which I would prefer NOT to see) by looking away from arguments that have been proven failures. Brian Brown should be thanking them!
    Albert Einstein is frequently quoted (and perhaps misquoted) as having said: “Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.” If this is true, then Brian’s defense of DOMA is, truly, an insanity defense.

  • 144. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  January 17, 2011 at 7:13 am

    Happy Belated Anniversary All!

    How truly wonderful to make dear acquaintances from around the world! Thank you for a place to compare, relate, report, learn, grow, blossom, admire, share, celebrate, debate, cry, laugh, swear, vent and be accepted despite all. LOVE and ((HUGS))

    • 145. Mark M (Seattle)  |  January 17, 2011 at 10:55 am

      You said it all Gregory!!!

      • 146. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  January 17, 2011 at 11:06 am

        Hi Mark! Adding my positive energy all April 27th plans go well!

      • 147. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  January 18, 2011 at 11:39 am


  • 148. Rhie  |  January 17, 2011 at 12:06 pm



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