Lamest Argument of the Week Award goes to Maggie and Kevin Smith

February 18, 2011 at 9:30 am 54 comments

By Adam Bink

Via NOM’s blog, here’s part one of Maggie’s report. Bolding mine:

Just returned from the magnificent state house in Concord, New Hampshire.

The Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, dapper and bow-tied, was a rare combination of humor and dignity. “This is the most democratic legislature in the United States,” he said, “we are the third-largest democratic body in the world.” As all of us speaker’s tended to get long-winded he also jumped in with things like “The Chairman’s Motto: “Nicer is concise.”

And he began with a joke: “Obviously good people can disagree, otherwise there would never be any marriages at all!”

Kevin Smith, leader of the local family policy council Cornerstone, gave a great testimony.

My favorite Kevin Smith line: “The sky didn’t fall in 2008 when the voters repealed same-sex marriage. The sky didn’t fall in Maine either the next year in 2009, when the voters repealed gay marriage passed by the legislature.”

Um, right, Kevin. The award for Lamest Argument Adaptation of the Week goes to you. What does this even mean??

Anyway, via Towleroad, here’s Maggie’s testimony on tape:

Acts of sexual passion are what’s destroying America.

Entry filed under: Marriage equality, Right-wing.

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54 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Acts of sexual passion are what’s destroying America.

    hahaha

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    • 2. Jon  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:41 am

      Yes, I fear Maggie may be on the losing side on this one. Most Americans would agree that acts of sexual passion are what made America great.

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      • 3. nightshayde  |  February 18, 2011 at 10:56 am

        If not “America,” it certainly helped make college great.

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    • 4. JonT  |  February 18, 2011 at 12:27 pm

      Destruction never felt so good.

      /rolling eyes

      :)

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    • 5. Chris in Lathrop  |  February 19, 2011 at 8:28 am

      We read somewhere that the Puritans regularly encouraged their daughters to “trap” their suitors by having premarital sex and getting pregnant. So, acts of sexual passion are *traditional*! >:)

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  • 6. Kathleen  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:36 am

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    • 7. Ed Cortes  |  February 18, 2011 at 10:39 am

      Squiggly checkin’, too!

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  • 8. Ronnie  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Ummmmm…..head meet desk…. : / ….Ronnie

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    • 9. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:48 am

      : | uh….whatever!

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  • 10. Jon  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Ah, Maggie. If only it were 1855, you could explain that most courts have not found that slaves have rights, this is the traditional understanding, and it keeps things tidy.

    Wait, maybe it’s not too late! You can urge us to re-embrace slavery, Maggie. Let’s go back to the values we held at the beginning, held dear, justified with all sorts of talk of God, and the Bible, and practiced zealously for a century. Yes! Re-embrace slavery! Go back, go back!

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    • 11. Carpool Cookie  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:43 am

      Well, when this is all over she’ll need a new job…it could well be her next cause.

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    • 12. 415kathleenk  |  February 18, 2011 at 1:40 pm

      Jon you are too funny
      “keep things tidy” ROFL THAT is what is wrong with these people- they cannot deal with the general untidyness (diversity) of human life. All you ‘traditional’ theocratic nitwits -GET OVER IT!

      yahoo its friday and i am reading P8TT and its a three day weekend

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      • 13. Jon  |  February 18, 2011 at 1:53 pm

        Thanks.

        And let’s say it’s AD 20: Jesus says let’s move beyond “an eye for an eye”; forgive instead.

        So would Maggie be telling us all “but it’s been an eye for an eye for generations and it’s traditional value and you can’t just change that you’re redefining”?

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  • 14. Carpool Cookie  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:41 am

    I wonder what Maggie’s son is like. Does he even have a chance at growing up fairly well adjusted?

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    • 15. nightshayde  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:51 am

      Not if he happens to have been born gay.

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  • 16. Franck  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Dear Kevin Smith,

    The sky didn’t fall in 1935 when the Nuremberg Laws were voted, either. That doesn’t make them less disgusting.

    And let me correct you: the sky did fall down for all the same-sex couples who intended to marry but suddenly found themselves deprived of that right (you know, just like the Jews in 1935…)

    – Franck P. Rabeson
    Days spent apart from my fiancé because of DOMA: 1337 days, as of today.

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    • 17. Franck  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:48 am

      P.S.: Heheheh… 1337 days. I’m such a geek.

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      • 18. AnonyGrl  |  February 18, 2011 at 12:11 pm

        LOL. And even though that number is a tragedy, I love that you can find something to laugh at in it.

        :)

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        • 19. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 18, 2011 at 12:13 pm

          And, we know you love geeks AnonyGrl! Most here on the board do.

          And, yes Franck, it’s a heartbreaking number…

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    • 20. nightshayde  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:55 am

      The sky didn’t fall when the CA Supreme Court declared same-sex marriage legal in California. The sky didn’t fall when the IA Supreme Court declared same-sex marriage legal. The sky didn’t fall when Washington DC made same-sex marriage legal.

      The sky didn’t fall on 9/11 even if buildings, airplanes, and lives did. The sky didn’t fall when the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed, even if buildings and lives did.

      Psst – Kevin. The sky & nature were here long before people arrived & will be here long after people die out. The sky doesn’t care what the silly creatures under it do.

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    • 21. adambink  |  February 18, 2011 at 12:05 pm

      Nicely put.

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  • 22. AnonyGrl  |  February 18, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Dear Kevin Smith,

    Please note that the sky didn’t fall the day that your Jesus was supposedly killed. It didn’t fall the day Eve got a craving for fruit. The sky has NEVER fallen down, no matter what horrendous or marvelous things have been done underneath it.

    What DID happen on the days you mention is that hearts were broken, families were punished, children were harmed, love was judged unimportant, people were relegated to second class citizenship…

    And we can help fix that. And we should.

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    • 23. Straight for Equality  |  February 18, 2011 at 10:55 am

      Excellent comment, AnonyGrl! (As usual.)

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  • 24. Richard A. Jernigan  |  February 18, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Oh, really, Maggie? I actually thought it was acts of treachery against minorities and acts of treachery against the working class, including outsourcing jobs overseas, that were ruining America. That, and people like you who are trying to change this country from a constitutional republic to a theocracy that only includes rights for those who agree with your POV!

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    • 25. Carpool Cookie  |  February 18, 2011 at 10:07 am

      Mmmm-hmmmm….!

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  • 26. Peterplumber  |  February 18, 2011 at 10:01 am

    ♂♂

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  • 27. Ronnie  |  February 18, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Oh Kevin Smith, I feel for you, really, I do….but

    The sky didn’t fall when:

    – The Netherlands legalized Marriage Equality in 2001
    – Belgium legalized Marriage Equality in 2003
    – Spain legalized Marriage Equality in 2005
    – Canada legalized Marriage Equality in 2005
    – South Africa legalized Marriage Equality in 2006
    – Norway legalized Marriage Equality in 2009
    – Sweden legalized Marriage Equality in 2009
    – Portugal legalized Marriage Equality in 2010
    – Iceland legalized Marriage Equality in 2010 (but since we are doing a play on apocalyptic theories…The volcano in Iceland stopped erupting after they legalized Marriage Equality…think about that for a second)
    – Argentina legalized Marriage Equality in 2010
    – Washington D.C., The Coquille Nation & all of the states that legalized Marriage Equality

    Kevin, sweetie, honey, doofus…I mean darling……As of July 4th, 2010 America is only 234 years old….IT IS NOT “GOD’s” COUNTRY…so why would the world end when America legalizes Marriage Equality?….Kevin Smith = Irrational/Illogical Arrogance = FAIL….just saying….<3…Ronnie

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    • 28. AnonyGrl  |  February 18, 2011 at 12:15 pm

      Wonderful, Ronnie… I especially like the bit about the volcano stopping!!!

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      • 29. Ronnie  |  February 23, 2011 at 5:13 pm

        Thank you…xoxo….<3…Ronnie

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  • 30. Polydactyl  |  February 18, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Way to flaunt your heterosexual privilege, dude. “My life wasn’t affected at all when Prop 8 passed, therefore it was inconsequential! :D”

    Of course “the sky didn’t fall.” IT DIDN’T AFFECT HIM. For the people he’s all too willing to relegate to sub-human status, it was devastating.

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  • 31. Ronnie  |  February 18, 2011 at 10:18 am

    On another note….”It Gets Better: The Book” is available for pre-order & will be available for purchase on March 22, 2011…..<3…Ronnie

    From the video description:

    Nearly 10,000 of you have filmed videos which have been watched over 30 million times across the globe. Now we're ready to publish "It Gets Better: The Book" on March 22nd, six months after we launched the project.

    The book is a collection of stories from many people you recognize and some people you don't, but each and every story will touch you, move you and encourage you to do better for LGBT youth.

    Pre-order the book today to ensure you get a first edition copy!….http://www.itgetsbetter.org/book

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  • 32. karen in kalifornia  |  February 18, 2011 at 10:27 am

    What is also lame and more troubling than Maggie and Kevin is that the recently elected NH Republican majority have already made up their minds.
    Lookin for a veto from Lynch. Please.

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  • 33. chris from co  |  February 18, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Don’t know if this was posted but Monday on Valentines day colorado introduced a civil unions bill to the senate.

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  • 34. Ed Cortes  |  February 18, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Oh! I forgot! Bless their hearts.

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  • 35. Carpool Cookie  |  February 18, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Maggie is a really poor public speaker / speech writer. It’s like nothing she says really makes an impression.

    She has a definite Miss Othmar quality: “Blah blah blah blah blah…”

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    • 36. Straight for Equality  |  February 18, 2011 at 11:34 am

      I have a theory about Maggie. I think she is really a robot. (That may be why she appears to be heartless. She is!) After hearing her speak at a number of hearings, I think she has a pre-recorded message and is programmed to rattle it off when a command is given.

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    • 37. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  February 18, 2011 at 11:35 am

      I’ve thought of the “blah blah blah” teacher many times in my life : D I actually fell asleep listening to the 3 min Maggie video! Perhaps reminded me of my church days….

      I was awake enough to notice this “gem” from her comma inducing speech:

      “Its not discrimination to treat different things differently.

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      • 38. Carpool Cookie  |  February 18, 2011 at 11:45 am

        ” I actually fell asleep listening to the 3 min Maggie video! “

        Maybe this will wake you up. (Much more substantial than Maggie, her views, or her counterpart Miss Othmar.)

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        • 39. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  February 18, 2011 at 12:06 pm

          enjoyed : D thank you !

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    • 40. Kathleen  |  February 18, 2011 at 11:41 am

      I think she’s said the same thing over and over again so many times that even she’s bored with it. But she has to show up and give the speech in order to get paid.

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      • 41. Carpool Cookie  |  February 18, 2011 at 11:56 am

        I wonder if she texts a lot from the audience. We have one City Council person who does that even when they’re up with the others on the dias.

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        • 42. nightshayde  |  February 18, 2011 at 1:46 pm

          Does she take her shoes off during meetings?

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      • 43. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  February 18, 2011 at 12:07 pm

        @get paid
        Indeed!

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      • 44. Sagesse  |  February 18, 2011 at 5:07 pm

        Maggie is their chosen spokesperson for all these hearings. They must think she’s more credible than Brian?

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        • 45. Carpool Cookie  |  February 19, 2011 at 12:03 am

          They probably use her because Brian comes across as obviously gay.

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          • 46. Sagesse  |  February 19, 2011 at 4:47 am

            Or obviously strident? He has a smarmy, charming self he turns on Arisha every now and then :), but his public speaking persona has a mean, nasty edge to it. At that seminar in New York last year he just oozed condescension. (He sat next to Cynthia Nixon, who was wonderfully composed and civil, but looked at times like she wanted to crawl out of her skin).

            NOM is so tone deaf, though, I’m not sure they notice the difference.

  • 47. Rhie  |  February 18, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Watching

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    • 48. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 18, 2011 at 2:25 pm

      Watching Rhie watch!

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  • 49. Kevin  |  February 18, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Do I have a case in IIED against this pr*&# for spewing this idiocy under MY NAME???

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  • 50. Jason Zenobia  |  February 19, 2011 at 7:38 am

    Has anyone posted transcripts from the testimony, so I can read it rather than listen to Maggie’s unbearable voice?

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  • 51. John B.  |  February 19, 2011 at 7:42 am

    “The sky didn’t fall in 2008 when the voters repealed same-sex marriage. The sky didn’t fall in Maine either the next year in 2009, when the voters repealed gay marriage passed by the legislature.”

    They are trying to be oh-so-clever and use our own wording against us, because we keep (rightly) pointing out that the sky truly did not fall in Canada, or in Massachusetts, or anywhere else that same-sex marriage has been recognized. If anything, it shows that this tactic is so effective that they feel the need to seize and neutralize it. But this will backfire on them because we can come back with any number of examples of gay couples for whom the sky pretty much did fall by not having their relationships legally recognized or protected: partners denied the right to make medical decisions or even hospital visitation, hostile families stepping in to make medical those decisions instead or to assert inheritance rights, people kicked out of apartments and losing their possessions when their partner died, parents not allowed to see their children, etc. We have plenty of specific examples to hold up of people being harmed by not being able to marry. What names can the other side hold up to show similar harm to their side? None, which is why they are grasping at straws.

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    • 52. Chris in Lathrop  |  February 19, 2011 at 8:37 am

      “But this will backfire on them because we can come back with any number of examples of gay couples for whom the sky pretty much did fall…” True that!

      Not to mention the fact that stealing the “sky didn’t fall” meme is actually a tacit admission that the sky didn’t fall anywhere that marriage equality was given. NOM really does think their supporters are idiots, don’t they?

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    • 53. Richard A. Jernigan  |  February 19, 2011 at 8:58 am

      And what about our binational couples, where one may face deportation because the American in the couple cannot sponsor his husband or her wife? That is another way in which the sky is falling for our couples!

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  • 54. Ronnie  |  February 19, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick Protects Transgender State Workers from Discrimination
    http://www.towleroad.com/2011/02/massachusetts-governor-deval-patrick-protects-transgender-state-workers-from-discrimination.html

    “The order expands the state’s current civil rights policy by forbidding state government and its contractors from discriminating on the basis of “gender identity or expression.’’ The state already forbids discrimination based on a host of other characteristics, including race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability, and religion.”

    <3…Ronnie

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