Maryland Del. Hershey: Marriage vote brought to you by letters N-O-M

March 11, 2011 at 1:30 pm 84 comments

This reminds me of Sen. McConnell using pro-Wall Street talking points from Frank Luntz. Ugh -Adam

Cross-posted at Good As You

By Jeremy Hooper

If one writes MD Delegate Steve Hershey (R) about marriage equality in the state, this is the form letter he or she will get back in return:


Why the highlighted text? Oh, well, because: It’s the very same line the National Organization For Marriage pushes in its “marriage talking points” guidebook:


Extensive and repeated polling agrees that the single most effective message is:

“Gays and Lesbians have a right to live as they choose,

they don’t have the right to redefine marriage for all of us.”

This allows people to express support for tolerance while opposing gay marriage. Some modify it to “People have a right to live as they choose, they don’t have the right to redefine marriage for all of us.”


I mean, come on! It’s one thing to see all these lawmakers following NOM towards the apparently tantalizing light of unfortunate civil rights opposition. But seriously, nation’s elected conservatives: Do you also have to hand over your ability to speak from your own hearts and minds?! Is our modern political reality really that fake/cynical/bought?!

And good God of Falwell: What kind of dirt does Maggie Gallagher have on the modern Republican party?

Entry filed under: Marriage equality.

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  • 1. James Tuttle  |  March 11, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    I’m so sad this didn’t pass. I can only imagine the excitement and then crushing disappointment of the couples ready to get married NOW!!! Does anyone know if they will still put up gay marriage for a vote in 2012?? Or will this come back again next session??

  • 2. James Tuttle  |  March 11, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Nevermind…I should have read the previous post. Still sad though.

  • 3. Mark M (Seattle)  |  March 11, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    So why do THEY have the right to decide for the rest of us?

    “they don’t have the right to redefine marriage for all of us.”

    • 4. Rhie  |  March 11, 2011 at 2:23 pm

      I find it kind of encouraging that they think that sentence is at all effective. It’s so easy to just turn it back to the person.

      “How exactly are gay people redefining marriage? Can you point me to any law or any part of a law that gay people have redefined? Or personally, how has gay marriage redefined your marriage? Have you rewritten any contracts, changed anything about your marriage? And, can you answer any of the questions without quoting the Bible AND quoting any credible legal source?”

      • 5. Shannon  |  March 11, 2011 at 2:32 pm

        If only it were so easy to turn it back to the person. These talking points used by NOM are only effective when used in one-way communication, i.e. letters to constituents, commercials, blogs (particularly where commenting is moderated or disabled), etc. They don’t survive any serious dialogue, which is why the courts (which require a more even-handed Q&A, evidence, etc.) will come down in our favor.

    • 6. Chris in Lathrop  |  March 12, 2011 at 9:38 am

      Bigots have the right to live and believe as they choose, but they don’t have the right to force their religion or dogma upon the rest of us, or to redefine Constitutional rights and protections to exclude us.

  • 7. gaydadtobe  |  March 11, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    A sad day for marriage equality, today, but at least discrimination wasn’t written into law. My next guess is that’s one of the places where NOM will try to go next =/

  • 8. Regan DuCasse  |  March 11, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Giving with one that “the right to live as they choose”

    While taking away with the other “but they don’t have the right to redefine marriage for the rest of us.”

    Neither of these resembles what’s true.

    Gay people don’t have the right to live as they choose, NOR redefine marriage for anyone else either.
    And they wouldn’t be able to redefine marriage by getting married to each other.

    All this discrimination doesn’t DEFINE anything but discrimination.
    I wish these people knew the definition of definition.

    • 9. Mouse  |  March 12, 2011 at 2:29 pm

      The only people redefining marriage are the bigots who insist on writing their exclusive definition into laws and constitutional amendments,

      Stop trying to be the victim and stop accusing us of what you yourselves are doing.

  • 10. Mark M (Seattle)  |  March 11, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Tired of seeing the tote board stuck at $8,315.00
    Made another small donation…..let’s keep this going guys
    (if you can of course)

    Love you ALL

    • 11. Papa Foma  |  March 11, 2011 at 6:43 pm

      Well, Mark – your bit didn’t change the board – nor did mine. I wonder whassup?

    • 12. grod  |  March 12, 2011 at 5:41 am

      @Mark M (Seattle)
      Oh frustrated one. You, I and others knew we had made another small donations, so we also knew that the bar would eventually move. AND IT did.
      It is equally true that what happened in Maryland might appear to be standing still. But the contributions in volunteer hours and $ will not be lost, as they appear not to be lost in New York or Maine. Their goal will be realized as appears to be the case in NY and in California.

      In an earlier entry today you wrote: “So why do THEY have the right to decide for the rest of us?” Let’s restate that “Why do majorities have a right to decide for minorities”. In oft’ reading your insightful comments, I take your question as being rhetorical. Underlying your statement I feel an emotional frustration and heartfelt disappointment with this outcome. Like the bar that refused to move, you and I recently contributed and you called upon other to continue to do so. Peterplumber was tempted to once again match others’ contributions.
      Why, it does not appear to make a difference. Why? Through donations and lobbying, we have faith that with purpose, focus and strategic determination, a real difference will be made.

      I take strength from your ongoing insights. I hope you also can from mine – ‘keep your eye on the ball, bud’. G

      • 13. Mark M (Seattle)  |  March 12, 2011 at 8:01 am

        I heard from Adam last evening…seems there was a small glitch. All fixed now :-)

  • 14. JonT  |  March 11, 2011 at 1:55 pm

  • 15. Ronnie  |  March 11, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    MD Delegate Steve Hershey is another oxyMORON……says you can do whatever you want….but you can’t do that…..oxyMORON……Hey Del. Hershey….don’t tax your LGBT Maryland citizens then…you got it, you selfish pap?……. >I …Ronnie

  • 16. Kathleen  |  March 11, 2011 at 1:57 pm

  • 17. Ed  |  March 11, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Whats his contact info?

  • 24. Richard A. Jernigan  |  March 11, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Is Steve Hershey a Brian Brown clone? How can I find this man’s office number?

    • 25. Peterplumber  |  March 11, 2011 at 2:59 pm

      Well, he IS a republican.

  • 26. Ed Cortes  |  March 11, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    da box! da box!!

  • 27. Richard A. Jernigan  |  March 11, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Do any of our MD P8TT’ers have the official state link to the list of elected officials complete with office telephone numbers.

  • 28. Sagesse  |  March 11, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    To read later.

  • 29. Carpool Cookie  |  March 11, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    “People have a right to live as they choose, they don’t have the right to redefine marriage for all of us.”

    I always find that phrase so strange. It’s like saying, “Blacks have the right to live as they choose, they don’t have the right to live in my neighborhood.”

    It’s like the two parts of the sentence cancel each other out.

    • 30. Straight Ally #3008  |  March 11, 2011 at 3:12 pm

      This allows people to express support for tolerance appear to be tolerant while opposing gay marriage supporting anti-gay bigotry.


    • 31. Ronnie  |  March 11, 2011 at 3:32 pm

      “Blacks have the right to ride the bus, they don’t have the right to ride in the front of the bus”

      “Blacks have the right to drink water, they don’t have the right to drink from this fountain”

      “Blacks have the right to an education, they don’t have the right to attend this school”

      “Blacks have the right to to shop etc etc, they don’t have the right to shop etc etc at our businesses.”

      “Women have the right to live as the choose, they don’t have the right to vote, work. wear pants, etc etc”

      “Interracial couples has the right to live as the choose, they don’t have the right to redefine marriage for all of us which is within your own race”

      (me) Like I always say….same sentence, different subject……It really is because the education system has failed the homophobic bigot… sad…. <3….Ronnie

      • 32. Mark M (Seattle)  |  March 11, 2011 at 3:49 pm

        Haven’t told you in a while Ronnie, but….

        • 33. Ronnie  |  March 19, 2011 at 9:53 am

          ; ) ….Ronnie

      • 34. Mouse  |  March 12, 2011 at 2:32 pm

        Yeah, but Ronnie, we know that this isn’t a civil rights issue – NOM said so! It has nothing to do with and in no way parallels the suffrage of people of color, or women – NOM said so!

        Proving the above statements to be lies by illustrating the parallels with simple word substitution aside, NOM wouldn’t lie to us – NOM said so!


        • 35. Sagesse  |  March 12, 2011 at 2:58 pm

          Well, we don’t use the word homosexual, because that’s pejorative. And we say marriage equality, not ‘same sex marriage’. So how about we don’t say civil rights, we say equality.

    • 36. Marlene  |  March 12, 2011 at 10:26 am

      That or this classic: “I don’t mind blacks marrying whites… as long as one doesn’t marry my sister.”

  • 37. Michelle Evans  |  March 11, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    It shouldn’t be too surprising that these jerks cut and paste from the NOM playbook, and other anti-equality groups. The U.S. Justice Department did almost exactly the same thing when they first defended DOMA.

  • 38. Peterplumber  |  March 11, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    On NOM’s page they have some points called “Why Marriage Matters”.

    Here is a clip from that:
    “How will my same-sex marriage hurt your marriage?” Same-sex marriage advocates
    want to force everyone to dramatically and permanently alter our definition of marriage
    and family. The great, historic, cross-cultural understanding of marriage as the union
    of husband and wife will be called bigotry in the public square. The law will teach your
    children and grandchildren that there is nothing special about mothers and fathers raising
    children together, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a bigot.

    But in reading that, the question asks, How will SSM hurt MY marraige? I still don’t see that question answered. All I see if bull dung.

    • 39. Mouse  |  March 12, 2011 at 2:38 pm

      Well, if they wrote “same-sex marriage won’t have any impact on your marriage at all. None. Seriously. Your marriage would have to be so immeasurably broken to start with, as well as would your sense of reality, for that to even make a modicum of sense. Honestly, does it hurt your marriage when the latest celebrity marriage falls apart? – no, and why would it, unless you were married to said celebrity. Because your marriage is a contract between you and your spouse, and that means the two of you are the only two people in the world who can hurt your marriage.” it wouldn’t be very effective at raising money for them.

      • 40. Richard A. Jernigan  |  March 12, 2011 at 2:40 pm

        No, but the momsers would finally be telling the truth!

        • 41. Mouse  |  March 12, 2011 at 2:43 pm

          And they can’t do that, because they would melt, or burst into flames. There has to be some kind of supernatural allergy to the truth to explain their unhealthy aversion to it.

          • 42. Richard A. Jernigan  |  March 12, 2011 at 2:57 pm

            Well, if they melt or burst into flames, at least we wouldn’t have to worry about them anymore, and the world would be safe for real people to live in!

    • 44. grod  |  March 11, 2011 at 7:09 pm

      ‘Amen’ might be an appropriate response if the good as you writer’s solution been realistic. It is not: “We must fundamentally change the ongoing conversation, not just the ones that pop up around this or that localized debate.” Just how does a less than popular minority achieve this transformative change – not only at the local but national level? I would argue that the local debate as opportunities arise remains the right strategy. Yet s/he and I both recognize that an ongoing conversation is an important means to achieving the desired outcome.

      It costs to carry on an ongoing national and local dialogue. When Courage has difficulty raising $12,000, from where are the mega bucks going to come from. Bucks often already needed for legislative lobbying, court challenges etc.

      Unlike the writer who believes the LGBT community and its allies has the power and influence to “fundamentally change” a national and local dialogue because it chooses or wishes to, I believe the community’s piece-meal, incremental strategy is the better and affordable one.

      All of us need tangle realizable goals. Maryland Equality and its allies have a couple more parliamentarians to convince. But they will also need to convince the electorate in the anticipated subsequent referendum.
      And it may be that conversation that good-as-me writer had in mind. May I suggest a step at a time!

      • 45. Kathleen  |  March 11, 2011 at 8:34 pm

        @grod, I agree with much of what you’re saying. I’m not suggesting that we abandon the national dialogue, nor the lobbying on the federal level. But when it comes to changing “hearts and minds” it seems to me we get the most return on investment (both time and money) on the local level. We’ve all seen time and again that making this personal – bringing home the harm done to real, specific people, and not just some abstract notion of a person – is what changes people’s mind.

        At the same time, I think it’s essential to come up with effective strategies to counter the assaults from NOM and their allies that we all know will happen on every local front.

        And in the mean time, I sincerely hope that the courts do the job they’re supposed to do – protecting the basic rights of a minority from majority oppression.

    • 46. Sagesse  |  March 12, 2011 at 6:10 am

      As the ‘lessons learned’ emerge from Maryland, I will be watching closely to see what kinds of bribes and threats were used by NOM, the Catholic Church and Maggie’s ‘Black churches’ (a truly ugly term). The one-two punch of NOM and the Catholic Church will be a factor in Rhode Island as well. How many of the last minute flood of calls from constituents (if there was one) were generated by pastors inciting their congregations to action.

      I reference Maggie’s ‘Black churches’ because it occurs to me, she knows whereof she speaks… NOM was working closely with religious leaders to get to legislators… even drafting their messages, it would seem.

      And finally, anyone wonder where Bishop Harry Jackson was, behind the scenes, in all of this…. He’s been way too quiet.

      • 47. Richard A. Jernigan  |  March 12, 2011 at 6:18 am

        Yes, I too have been wondering where the “bishop” has been. NOMbies are just like toddlers. When they are this quiet, you know they are plotting something or getting into something that they shouldn’t be getting into!

  • 48. 415kathleenk  |  March 11, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Just read the’goodasyou’ post Russell links above.
    (ITs 350PM Friday- so my workweek is OVER)

    I gotta say it asks some hard questions. EQMD-clearly hard working and savvy folks- we got so close ( 1 VOTE??)
    But its the court of public opinion- still not close enough and these politicians-really- all they care about is being re elected. They get some heat from people they KNOW are dead wrong and they run for cover!! Sheesh. And our side? I think we just gotta get more forceful like GAS says- counter NOM propaganda over and over directly, loudly. Go ad hominem on their asses- a la Dan Savage who calls the bigots as they see them. Caveat- its easy for me to say- I am an arm chair warrior. But still

    • 49. 415kathleenk  |  March 11, 2011 at 3:57 pm

      i am not making sense GAS= Good As You GAY duh
      Dan Savage calls the bigots as HE sees them.
      apologies for the terrible writing

  • 50. bJason  |  March 11, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    I wish others could feel, for a couple of cycles, the emotional/spiritual roller coaster we’re put through. I dare say we’d have our equality in no time flat.

    So tired of being sad at the hands of strangers.

    • 51. Mark M (Seattle)  |  March 11, 2011 at 4:26 pm

      Big hugs bJason

      • 52. bJason  |  March 11, 2011 at 4:35 pm

        thanks, buddy. that means more than you know.

        tired of being tired.

        • 53. Mark M (Seattle)  |  March 11, 2011 at 4:40 pm

          I know exactly how you feel. ;-(
          Some days I just don’t want to get out of bed…don’t want to face the world and all it’s hatred and disgust.
          But than I come here and check in with ‘the P8TT family’ and all is right with the world again….mostly :-)
          Hang in there, and always remember you are NOT alone in this.

          • 54. bJason  |  March 11, 2011 at 5:03 pm

            Hugs back to you!! Thanks for the encouragement.

          • 55. Michelle Evans  |  March 11, 2011 at 5:16 pm

            Yes, having our P8TT community helps Cherie and I through some difficult days. Believe me, just walking out the door is a hard, hard thing to do on many days. The hatred around us is palpable. I had a lady in the condo directly across from us sell her place because I happen to be transgender! That’s how idiotic, and how fearful these people are. You think it’s bad being lesbian or gay, but at least you don’t have to come out to every person you see, every day. Hard, doesn’t begin to cover it.

          • 56. Sydney  |  March 12, 2011 at 8:03 am

            Just thought I’d share this as a form of encouragement and to help us remember what we fight for:

            “…but the fuckers say we can’t.”

            Andrea Gibson is a spoken word poet and activist who speaks a lot about the LGBTQ community. Every poem of hers is dynamite. Her words remind me that the only reason to have something is to give it away, and that love and sincerity really can change people.

          • 57. Richard A. Jernigan  |  March 12, 2011 at 10:16 am

            Thank you, Sydney for reminding me of Andrea’s work and passion!

  • 58. Peterplumber  |  March 11, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Brian Brown & NOM are claiming VICTORY in Maryland. I am not sure it was a victory for them….
    From teh NOM weekly newsletter, “Dear Marriage Supporter,
    We did it!
    Better yet, you did it!
    And better still…the people of Maryland did it!
    They told us it was impossible to block gay marriage in the Maryland House. They said it was a “done deal.” But once again with your help, we’ve proved the pundits wrong.”

    Also, there are a few nutjobs trying to pass legislation to completely curtail any future augument for Marriage Equality.

    “In the past week we’ve gotten, from Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN), H.R. 875:

    … to prevent any federal court from deciding “any question pertaining to the interpretation of, or the validity under the Constitution” of DOMA.

    from Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), H.Res. 45:

    … to amend the U.S. Constitution to prohibit the U.S. Constitution and the constitution of any state from recognizing marriages other than “a man and a woman.”

    • 59. Rhie  |  March 12, 2011 at 6:13 pm

      Wow, they really don’t understand how our government works do they?

      They’d first have to amend the Constitution to get rid of the balance of powers. That would ACTUALLY be destroying the American government as we know it.

  • 60. Ray in MA  |  March 11, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Omar Q took advantage of the Japanese EarthQuake/Tsunami and murdered numbers of Lybians while no one was looking.

    The MD legislature ripped the hearts out of GLBT people while the Japanese EarthQuake/Tsunami was the center of attention.

    What next?

  • 61. Bob  |  March 11, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    How about the govenor of Wisconsin,, signing a bill, that takes away the rights of workers to assembly and bargaining for fare wages,,,

    that one really blows my mind,,, they did that while we were focused on marriage equality,,,,, human rights have really taken a blow at the hands of the republicans doing favours for big business,,, when it comes to working class, and the church when it comes to equality for LGBT

    • 62. Rhie  |  March 12, 2011 at 6:19 pm

      Oh I wouldn’t be upset about WI just yet. See, that bill is invalid under state law. They needed to allow a day for debate. They only allowed two hours. The Republican AG has already said he will take it to court.

  • 63. Papa Foma  |  March 11, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Oh my! When I sent a contribution from three gay guys, I forgot to send one from my gay uncle — I’m rushing to the form. THANKS Mark M for waking me up!

    • 64. Mark M (Seattle)  |  March 11, 2011 at 7:50 pm

      Your welcome :-)
      I’m not seeing the tote climbing here though…and the thank you email I got lead me to believe the donations are going into another kitty,,,for another CC project.
      I guess that’s okay but I wanted my few dollars to go to keeping this site up and running.
      I know that all the work CC does is important so it’s all good.

  • 65. New  |  March 11, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    “I hope that you continue to share your views because it is important to me to include concerned citizens like you in our legislative process.”
    Hershey’s decision justifies since the “concerned citizen”‘s view is more important than the views from those citizens with no access to marriage rights?

    • 66. New  |  March 11, 2011 at 6:47 pm

      They don’t have the right to redefine marriage for all of us. Why? Because we are very concerned people your honor!

  • 67. Michael  |  March 11, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    It’s very easy to beat radical anti-gay pressure groups such as NOM: Use the same tactics. For instance, here is what we should be trumpeting at every opportunity: Anti-Equality Americans have a right to live as they choose, they don’t have the right to redefine the Constitution for all of us. None of their tactics are new or original and they are all predictable. The problem is that we continue to let them get away with it. You have to fight fire with fire or you get burned. And we just got burned (again) in Maryland.

  • 68. AndrewAdaro  |  March 11, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    I really don’t get this protecting marriage from being redefined thing. I mean, anyone can call any relationship they have a ‘marriage.’ Like, they’re in a civil union but they tell everyone they’re married anyways. They live, sleep, and are together, like a married couple, say they are married… the only thing they don’t have is the rights that go with marriage, and this has nothing to do with common perception or tradition of marriage- it’s just certain things used privately between a couple. I wonder if some people genuinely think they are preserving tradition- like somehow the law stops people from verbally calling it marriage? Rejecting laws like these only refuses rights and makes it easier to discriminate, and promotes discriminant policy; it doesn’t save marriage in any way- not even in the way anti-gay people claim they want to save marriage. It does nothing to aid their aim, it only hurts others… but what can you do. People are intolerant, and then you die. Seis la vie…

  • 69. Kathleen  |  March 11, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    My grandson’s babysitter just posted to my facebook wall. She said he (6 y.o.) wants to marry his best friend [a boy] and doesn’t understand why there would ever be a law against it.

    She followed with the comment “Apple…meet tree.”

    • 70. Kathleen  |  March 11, 2011 at 9:32 pm

      And wanted to add: I don’t know if he’ll still want to marry a man when he grows up. But if he does, and for all the other 6 year olds out there who will grow up wanting to marry someone of the same sex, I continue to fight for a more equitable and just world.

    • 71. Sagesse  |  March 12, 2011 at 5:55 am

      Kids are so smart.

      • 72. Marlene  |  March 12, 2011 at 10:32 am

        That’s because they haven’t been poisoned yet with the hate of their so-called “elders”.

  • 73. Sheryl, Mormon Mother of a wonderful son who just happens to be gay  |  March 11, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    So, these Republicans who want to restrict what SCOTUS can rule on for their states, is there next target going to be reversing Loving vs. Virginia for their state?

    Just wondering. So sorry to hear that MD did not pass this bill, at least, as was already said, a discrimination bill was not passed as happened in so many states.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

    • 74. Peterplumber  |  March 12, 2011 at 5:47 am

      Yes, what Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN) is proposing would make DOMA off limits in ANY federal court.

      Waht Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) is proposing would be a new amendment to the constitution make same sex marriage bans fully constitutional, therefore LBGT groups could not argue that banning SSM is unconstitutional.

      • 75. Straight Dave  |  March 12, 2011 at 11:13 am

        Is Burton f’ing serious!? He’s proposing to tell the Supreme Court that it’s no longer allowed to judge or interpret laws or the constitution if he’s afraid that their judgment doesn’t agree with his?
        If this thing doesn’t get laughed out of committee at the first stop, then the Repubs really will have gone over the edge.

  • 76. Sagesse  |  March 12, 2011 at 5:53 am

    Good summary of the White House anti-bullying conference.

    White House Calls for Coordinated Anti-Bullying Efforts

  • 77. Wolf  |  March 12, 2011 at 7:03 am

    “And good God of Falwell: What kind of dirt does Maggie Gallagher have on the modern Republican party? ”

    Well from what I’ve been reading, while sitting with my brother as he takes the final step, is that she probably knows where their skeletons are. I mean over the past few weeks there have been many rabidly anti-GLBT ministers/officials caught with their hands on things that they say is evil. But then you probably all know about that.

  • 78. Straight Dave  |  March 12, 2011 at 7:12 am

    I wonder how many of these anti-equality MD Delegates NOM threatened to “out”. There’s got to be 1 or 2 good candidates in there among the 70 or so who voted No.

    I’m sure I’m going to go straight to hell for this, but I have a very dirty AnonyGrl-style story brewing in my head involving Louis, TWO closeted Delegates, some drugs, and a conspiracy of silence. But I think I’ll burn it up so as not to drag us all down in the muck.

    I feel very sad for all the people directly and indirectly hurt by this major MD wimp-out. I knew there would be some bumps along the way, even after we had been on a pretty good roll recently. Remember the saying about “fall down 5 times, get up 6”. Resilience is the key to success, along with a positive attitude. We know our cause is just, and we will win in the end.

    We’ll have another shot at MD next year, and I don’t see how NOM could possibly improve their position between now and then. They have no more ammunition, but we do. There’s no election, national momentum is moving in our direction, and we have more time to educate and inform. Once people see the light and truly understand, they never go back to the dark.

    On to RI.

  • 79. JoeRH  |  March 12, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Come on. There has to be at least ONE psycho gay out there. Why doesn’t anyone assassinate a republican??? The people who are assassinated are always the ones on the side of progress. If I wasn’t so scared of being caught, I’d rip these stupid fucks limb from limb. I think our peaceful protests and testimonies ARE good, but we need some people out there who will actually FIGHT these sick fuckers. Or just be more aggressive. Show the public not about us, but about our opposition. They claim to be religious, yet they spread lies to further their cause. Show the public what type of propaganda they use and how it’s loaded with lies. Tell the public how many lawsuits NOM is in. WHY ISN’T THIS BEING DONE? INSTEAD OF FIGHTING BACK LIKE PEACEFUL PUSSIES, WHY ISN’T ANYONE FIGHTING???!!! I DON’T KNOW WHO I’M PISSED AT MORE! LIARS, OR PEOPLE WHO SIT BY AND LET THEM LIE WHILE QUIETLY SHOWING THE WORLD WE’RE NOT LIKE THAT. WE NEED TO GET SOME BALLS!!!! Pussyfooting around isn’t going to get us very far. We need AGGRESSION at least once in our fight.

    • 80. fiona64  |  March 12, 2011 at 3:39 pm

      Yeah, inciting violence is such a good idea.


      • 81. JoeRH  |  March 14, 2011 at 7:52 am

        What about the other stuff I said??? You know what Fiona, I’d really appreciate it if you’d stop replying to my posts. You do nothing but judge and accuse. You’re no better than the opposition when it comes to varying opinions.

  • 82. Ronnie  |  March 12, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    ‎”Since I can’t get married or adopt a child in the state of New York, I can’t possibly be an impartial judge of a citizen when I am considered a second class one in the eyes of this justice system.” ~ Jonathan D. Lovitz


    interview with Jonathan D. Lovitz…….<3…Ronnie:

  • 83. Jackie  |  March 12, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Seems to me that the politicians have their hands out for their 30 pieces of silver that they might get from NOM or the Catholic church.Wouldn’t want that money to go to someone who might challenge them in the next election.
    Sometimes I can hardly believe the hatred that is being spread and presented as “truth”.

  • 84. Chad  |  March 13, 2011 at 3:00 am

    Fact: Homosexuals have every bit as much of a right to “redefine marriage for everyone else” as “everyone else” thinks they have in defining marriage to us. We have equal rights, and we’re redefining marriage, because the old definition is wrong, and requires a serious revision. And if you have a problem adapting to reality, well, you can just deal with it. That’s your personal problem, and we aren’t going to shoulder your burdens for you. Take some of that prized “personal responsibility” crap, and use it for yourselves. Why don’t you think that people have a “personal responsibility” to define their own relationships for? Why are you making that your responsibility? Is it yours? Well, who died and made you king? And if you’re king, then you can consider me a separatist, or whatever. Just, don’t tread on me. Mmkay?


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