NOM guy says we’re pushing society ‘into the abyss’. But in the nice, loving way, mind you.

March 11, 2011 at 10:30 am 12 comments

Cross-posted at Good As You

By Jeremy Hooper

An account of last night’s Rhode Island Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on marriage equality:

Joseph Cavanagh, a providence attorney and a member of the National Organization for Marriage in Rhode Island, warned that redefining marriage would have a devastating effect on society. “I can think of no other legislative action that would push us further into the abyss” said Cavanagh, “it has been the ideal way of society since the beginning of time.”

Fr. Bernard Healey, speaking on behalf of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Providence, said that the church’s opposition to gay marriage was not rooted in hate or bigotry, but was simply a matter of defending the right to have marriage between a man and a woman recognized as a distinct and special entity. “Union between husband and wife is a distinct vocation, and using the law to alter or to redefine marriage is an injustice to those who have embraced this state in life and negates the long history of benefit,” Healey declared.

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So we get NOM’s guy saying our love is devastating. Suggesting that our equality will push America not only down a slop or off a cliff, but all the way into an abyss. Painting same-sex marriages as some sort of threats to societal normalcy.

But then we get the Catholic leader denying that animus is at play? And not just any Catholic leader, either but one from the very diocese where Joe Cavanagh himself sits on advisory boards? So what, is “further into an abyss” just Mr. Cavanagh’s novel way of saying “to Disney World, where I’ll buy everyone an ice cream cone”? His talk of societal destruction some odd act of love? His testimony against us simply an attempt to make us all feel more loved by giving us an opposite pole for comparison?

Because not gonna lie: At face value, we’re not feeling the NOMmy goodwill.

Entry filed under: Marriage equality.

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12 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Kathleen  |  March 11, 2011 at 11:49 am

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  • 2. Michelle Evans  |  March 11, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Cavanaugh is actually very correct in what he says. Redefining marriage is pushing us into the abyss. It is people like him that are destroying the fabric of our society by creating a second class of citizens. Outcasts who are not allowed to marry the person they love. Yes, this is the abyss, and these jerks are the ones pushing us there.

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  • 3. Chris B  |  March 11, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    “it has been the ideal way of society since the beginning of time.” ?

    Let me check my Bible. Jacob had 2 wives, 2 concubines. King David (author of the Psalms) had 8 wives. His son, King Solomon, builder of the great Temple in Jerusalem–home to the presence of God–had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

    Let me find those passages where God condemned them for not following His ideal. Nope, can’t find any. Let me find the verses where God exposed displeasure about their polygamy. Nope. None. Let me find those verses where God even commented on their polygamy. Nope, can’t find any. (Oh, wait. In 2 Sam. 12:8, God, through the prophet Samuel says: ” I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms.”)

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    • 4. Rhie  |  March 11, 2011 at 2:27 pm

      I am beginning to think that when these people say “every society from the beginning of time” they mean “Every Western society since the Church wormed it’s way into custom and law”

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    • 5. Joe  |  March 12, 2011 at 7:35 am

      Good points, I love how the Christian church has totally hijacked the institution of marriage for the last five-six hundred years and made everyone think it’s always been theirs, I am a Christian btw, just don’t feel the same as those bad ones.

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  • 6. Sagesse  |  March 11, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Scribin’ to read later.

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  • 7. Jeremy  |  March 11, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    So we go from NOM’s stance that says WE are wanting “special” recognition of our relationships, but it is actually very clearly the other way around. They want to keep THIER “special” relationships. “Union between husband and wife is a distinct (special) vocation…” We want equality, not special treatment. NOM understands that they have special rights that we don’t and they want to keep them.

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  • 8. JonT  |  March 11, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    “…it has been the ideal way of society since the beginning of time.”

    No, it hasn’t.

    …said that the church’s opposition to gay marriage was not rooted in hate or bigotry, but was simply a matter of defending the right to have marriage between a man and a woman recognized as a distinct and special entity.

    Sounds pretty bigoted to me. Here, let me fix that for you “Father”:

    …said that the church’s opposition to gay interracial marriage was not rooted in hate or bigotry, but was simply a matter of defending the right to have marriage between a man and a woman members of the white race recognized as a distinct and special entity.

    See? Change the subject and suddenly it sounds pretty bigoted doesn’t it “Father”.

    What a moron.

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  • 9. Ronnie  |  March 11, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Another couple of benighted porcine’s whose education has failed them….They cannot fundamentally comprehend the definitions & connotations of the words “hate” & “bigotry”…..

    Listen buckos….It’s not the used ad nauseum “marriage is btw. a man & women” bull you spout out that proves you do nothing but hate & are a complete & utter BIGOT…It is the derogatory anti-gay epithets, the offensive comparisons, the blatantly hostile attacks toward LGBT people, families & children both verbal & physical, the illogical/irrational discredited notions, the vilifying propaganda, & the irrelevant subjective information you use to justify this unacceptable & un-American discrimination towards LGBT Americans & the theft of the hard earned money of LGBT tax paying American citizens to do it…. all to usurp the repugnant superiority & control complexes of some selfish heterosexist supremacists who DO NOT know how to mind their own business….That is what proves your hate & bigotry……..So sad..

    Our country is going into an abyss alright……an abyss of Theocratic Dictatorship where not one American citizen will be safe from someone else’s “ideal”…..SHAME!!!!!……. > I …..Ronnie

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  • 10. GraciesDaddy  |  March 11, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Fr. Healey: I strongly suggest that you get your OWN house in order before you come after mine!

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  • 11. Trish  |  March 11, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    This is just hilarious.

    As Olson and Boies so clearly pointed out in the trial, an assertion that “defense” of “traditional” marriage is simply a matter of defending the right to have marriage between a man and a woman recognized as a distinct and special entity is still unconstitutional because it treats opposite-sex couples as special. By pure and simple operation of the way language works, treating one thing as “special” treats everything else as inferior. Thus, treating opposite-sex couples as special treats same-sex couples as inferior. Why? For nothing other than that — to maintain the superior status for opposite-sex couples. That, under Romer v. Evans, is simply unconstitutional, even under a rational basis standard of review.

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  • 12. Richard A. Jernigan  |  March 11, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Oh, really? Working and fighting for equality for all is going to push society into the abyss? Tell that to the countries and US states that already have equality! I am sure they would love to hear that their improved economies and the other positive effects they have felt from legalizing equality means that they are in the abyss! NOM is the one trying to push us into the abyss. The abyss they are trying to push us into will be darker than the Dark Ages!

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