Oh, NOM, it’s not like we financed a name-calling billboard or anything. That would be you.

March 17, 2011 at 2:30 pm 35 comments

Cross-posted at Good As You

By Jeremy Hooper

Since the National Organization For Marriage is once again slighting members of the pro-equality commentariat who have accurately noted the way certain Maryland lawmakers sold out their principles for their own perceived ease…

Shocked Reaction of Pro-SSM Advocates to MD Defeat: The Name Calling Begins [NOM Blog]

…we thought we’d take a second and do something we like to do from time to time: Remind everyone of the very first targeted campaign from whence the nascent National Organization For Marriage launched its own national profile:

2007:

Yes, that’s right: Four years ago, NOM launched a billboard attack, comparing a Massachusetts state lawmaker to Judas Iscariot and Benedict Arnold. Not a blog post. Not an Op-Ed. Not even a fundraising blast. A BILLBOARD! A billboard with which Mr. Puppollo’s friends, neighbors, loved ones, and any one else who drove under it were suddenly confronted. A billboard bankrolled by NOM’s startup donor rolls.

So Maggie, Brian — you all are shocked — SHOCKED! — that shunned gays are upset that their declared friends and allies chose to bow down to anti-LGBT pressure rather than to do what is right, fair, economically sensible, and a boon to the peaceful greater good? Right, well: We’ll see your feigned outrage and raise you this nasty piece of roadside artwork!

Entry filed under: Right-wing.

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35 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Ed Cortes  |  March 17, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    ‘scribe me!

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    • 2. Straight for Equality  |  March 17, 2011 at 4:02 pm

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      • 3. JonT  |  March 17, 2011 at 4:11 pm

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  • 4. Sagesse  |  March 17, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Heaven forbid the LGBT community should vote for and donate to a candidate based on their pledge of support, then be peeved when their elected representative switches sides.

    Politics.

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  • 5. Kathleen  |  March 17, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    UPDATE: Perry

    Plaintiffs Reply in Support of Motion to Lift the Stay

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    • 6. 415kathleenk  |  March 17, 2011 at 3:43 pm

      I sure do love Mr. Boies and Mr. Olson. These two are the best. For a dry legal document, this sure has some zingers. I cannot wait to see what the 9th circuit says.
      And regarding NOM- I am with mark from Seattle. We need to know what these creeps are up to and i for one do not have the strong stomach of the P9ttrackers to read this crap and summarize it for the rest of us.

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  • 7. Rhie  |  March 17, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Yep. Gregory House’s Rules of People get proven more every day:

    1. People Lie
    2. People Are Stupid

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  • 8. Rose  |  March 17, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Okay. Seriously. Please stop posting about NOM. Please. You give them way too much focus and time and free publicity.

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    • 9. Mark M - Seattle  |  March 17, 2011 at 3:35 pm

      I for one hope the posts about NOM continue…..I want to know at all times what one of our greatest enemies is up to.
      NOM is recieving no publicity from this site…….

      Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

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      • 10. Rose  |  March 17, 2011 at 5:46 pm

        Not at the expense of my mental health, thank you. I find these posts upsetting, annoying, and usually poorly strategized. Then I start to filter out all the posts from P8TT and not pay attention to them. Then I miss important legal developments because the subject of the post isn’t clear enough from title or first paragraph.

        So, quite frankly, I’m sorely tempted to leave because of these posts. You may enjoy the circus – I really, really don’t. I only want to know about the legal aspects and my rights. That’s why I started following P8TT, during the trial.

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    • 11. adambink  |  March 17, 2011 at 4:14 pm

      I have never ascribed to the organizing theory that if you leave a problematic organization alone, they will just wither and go away.

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    • 12. Rose  |  March 17, 2011 at 4:46 pm

      …or at least make separate RSS feeds?

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    • 13. Chris in Lathrop  |  March 17, 2011 at 4:47 pm

      I agree with Mark and Adam. An untreated, malignant tumor will only get worse. Fortunately, this tumor we call NOM is very sensitive to daylight.

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      • 14. Sagesse  |  March 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm

        NOM has access to money, and national reach. They are dangerous, they do real damage. Marriage equality will not be won unless NOM is neutralized.

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    • 15. Maggie4NoH8  |  March 18, 2011 at 10:50 am

      I have a tendency to agree somewhat with Rose…

      There is the NOMExposed website to follow if you are into that sort of thing…

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    • 16. fiona64  |  March 18, 2011 at 11:14 am

      Guess what, Rose? You can choose not to read the articles.

      Manage your own damned internet experience.

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  • 17. Rhie  |  March 17, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Considering that there really is no such thing as bad publicity, they are receiving publicity here. The more controversy, the more interest.

    I don’t mind posts where the discussion of NOM is clearly in context of something – like the discussion about NOM’s role in passing or tanking legislation.

    I absolutely have a problem with posts like this. It’s just childish sniping. Why not talk about something like DADT and soldiers being evacuated from Japan? Or how DOMA affects binational families during disasters?

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    • 18. adambink  |  March 17, 2011 at 4:19 pm

      First, I would say it is on the lighter-hearted side
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      Second, if I were composing a long list of hypocritical moments on the part of NOM and sending it to reporters for a story, I am glad to have this on the list.

      Third, actually, there is a difference between publicity and bad publicity. I have sent many stories to my conservative relative out of town ever since NOM went stomping through his state on the bus tour (in which we all played a huge role discrediting NOM and showing how vociferously anti-gay their supporters were, which was “publicity” in a good way since it resulted in major negative publicity on NOM on television and in print), and he is now of a different mind on the organization. In fact, he wrote “they don’t represent me” in a recent e-mail to me. So consider the difference between telling the world about something NOM does, and telling the world about something NOM does and why it sucks.

      Last, we write a great deal on many other issues beyond NOM. If you would like to submit a guest post not being covered on a topic of interest and relevance, submit it to prop8trial@couragecampaign.org.

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      • 19. Rhie  |  March 17, 2011 at 4:28 pm

        Fair enough if you were trying to be light hearted with the post.

        We can agree to disagree about the publicity.

        Thanks for the e-mail, I will likely use it in the future.

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    • 20. be4marriage  |  March 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm

      Every article published about them increases the chances that one of their supporters, or someone that has an “evolving position” on same sex marriage, will google them and find an article exposing the truth.

      Was that a run-on sentence?

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      • 21. Rhie  |  March 17, 2011 at 6:20 pm

        It’s also possible that someone who is entrenched in their position that gays = evil will use this post and others like it to prove that position.

        There is plenty of information out there for people that want it about the real nature of NOM et al. Most people just don’t want to find it.

        I just think it is a better use of limited resources to, say, hound the FEC to enforce their rules on campaign finance.

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        • 22. Ben  |  March 17, 2011 at 9:27 pm

          Unfortunately, for those people who are looking to support their position that we’re evil, nothing here will ever be able to change their minds; people look to find what they want, and they’ll warp even the clearest statements to mean what they desire. Every piece like this does help, in a small way.

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    • 23. Owen  |  March 17, 2011 at 6:38 pm

      Agreed. There’s a difference between posting about NOM with purpose and posting them just to partake in some saber-rattling. This is getting irritating.

      NOM may be a malignant tumor, but you don’t treat a malignant tumor by punching it over and over again.

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      • 24. Rose  |  March 19, 2011 at 8:14 am

        Glad to hear I’m not the only one…

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  • 25. nightshayde  |  March 17, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    My husband just bought the new Rise Against album, “Endgame.” There’s a song on it about GLBT suicides & bullying. I’m sitting here listening to some really edgy-sounding music, with tears running down my face.

    I really liked Rise Against before. Now I like them even more.

    “…The cold river washed him away, but how could we forget?
    The gatherings hold candles, but not their tongues.
    Too much blood has flown from the wrists of the children shamed for those they chose to kiss.
    Who will rise to stop the blood?

    We’re calling for, insisting on a different beat – a brand new song.

    Make this stop.
    Make this end.
    This life chose me.
    I’m not lost in sin, but proud I stand of who I am.
    I plan to go on living.”

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    • 26. Sarah  |  March 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm

      Oh wow that is powerful!

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    • 27. JonT  |  March 17, 2011 at 5:50 pm

      Yeah, the song is called “Make It Stop (September’s Children)”.

      Someone who googled some of the names mentioned in the song stumbled across my depressing blog and emailed me about this song.

      Definitely a bit of a tear-jerker.

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    • 28. Owen  |  March 17, 2011 at 6:39 pm

      Awesome! I love Rise Against but haven’t heard this.

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      • 29. nightshayde  |  March 17, 2011 at 6:46 pm

        It’s on the album that was just released on Tuesday.

        The written lyrics in the CD sleeve don’t have kids’ names – but a bunch of names are part of the background vocals. The first one they mentioned was Tyler Clementi (which makes sense because other lyrics refer to “taking a weightless step”).

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  • 30. Michael  |  March 17, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Jeremy, you do the most amazing job with research and uncovering information!

    Shrill anti-gay activists Brian and Maggie are “shocked,” because it’s part of their fund-raising ploys. Why on earth any American with common sense would be “shocked” that other taxpayers are upset for having their civil rights once again rejected is the only thing “shocking” here.

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  • 31. Michelle Evans  |  March 17, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Unfortunately, Brain, Maggie, and NOM in general, are about the biggest threats we have to marriage equality in this country. Without their money and influence we would have equality in Maine and Maryland, and probably in places like New York.

    So, as unfortunate as it is that we have to keep harping on them, I agree that we have no choice. If we don’t call them out and keep trying to disseminate the truth about this hateful organization, then who else is there to counter the very real threat they are to all of us?

    Keep up the great work!

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  • 32. Richard A. Jernigan  |  March 17, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    And then people expect NOM to change? NO, they DON’t. However, it is further proof of how easily people can be duped by NOM and others like them simply because they refuse to learn from history. And as was once said, those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. And it is this very failure to learn from history that NOM counts on to keep its bankbooks growing.

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  • 33. Ronnie  |  March 18, 2011 at 7:01 am

    It really is this simple….NOM & the Religious Reich are allowed to do & say whatever the want because they do & say it in honor of their “God”, despite the FACT that their “God”, religious tenets etc. are NOT the law in America, & we are only allowed to do & say things within the perimeters of what they want & demand according to their un-American, anti-freedom, Fascist Theocratic Dictatorship…..NOM = FAIL ….. <3…Ronnie

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  • 34. Elizabeth Oakes  |  March 18, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    I can certainly understand being upset by seeing news of equality’s enemies–they get ugly and personal and there’s only so much one can take, especially if one is being hectored IRL too.

    I don’t have a good filtering solution, but it might be helpful to have a post once a week with a round-up of all the legal documents and decisions so kindly and timely provided by our lovely Kathleen. That way people could pop in on say, Wednesdays, and get the legal scoop without having to wade through other types of material. I know I’d love to have a central weekly compendium of these things myself, since I often don’t see the links in the comment section or have time to read them immediately after they are posted.

    As for whether or not the posts about NOM are fruitful: in light of this week’s poll that shows we’ve reached the halfway-tipping point on support for marriage equality, I like to think that P8TT’s provocative posts about NOM make NOMbies mad and frustrated and keeps them on the run. I believe it provokes them to make dumb strategy and message decisions (“reclaim the rainbow,” anyone?) and ups the desperation and anger level of their rhetoric….which, as hard as it is for us to hear, seems to win us supporters when people see up front how ugly and hateful NOMbies are.

    They really hate that we’re just not shutting up and going away. When they show that hate, it wins us points IMHO.

    So maybe we can have it both ways, yah? We are on the verge of Spring, you know–creativity abounds. :)

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    • 35. Rose  |  March 18, 2011 at 6:16 pm

      I don’t think it’d be that hard…just put articles in different categories and have rss feeds for the various categories.

      Reply

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