Oh, the Lengths They Will Go
February 19, 2010 at 3:51 pm Brian Leubitz 171 comments
by Brian Leubitz
Sometimes, you must simply sit back and marvel at the homophobia. I mean, really, sit back and marvel. I mean, I wouldn’t have thought of this little gem to teach hatred:
A Ugandan pastor is showing gay pornography at church to try to garner support for a proposed law that would impose the death penalty for some gays.
Martin Ssempa showed the videos to some 100 adults during a church service Wednesday in Uganda’s capital.
He says he plans to show the films regularly to educate churchgoers on gay sex and also plans to show the videos to parliamentarians. He says some churchgoers cried after watching the videos, which he said he downloaded from the Internet. (AP)
Interesting that at the same time he showed the gay porn he didn’t go ahead and show any straight porn. Porn is porn folks. It’s gritty, it can be messy, but honestly, isn’t that the point? Gay porn is no more representative of gay relationships than straight porn is of straight relationships.
UPDATE: Martin Ssempa is closely connected to Rick Warren, the Orange County preacher who gave the invocation at President Obama’s inauguration. (h/t Andrea in the comments)
But there’s more than one way to demonize. Remember how I mentioned the Cato Institute’s Forum on whether there is a place for the LGBT community within the conservative movement? Well, if one Ryan Sorba has anything to say about it, the answer is a definitive no.
While I wouldn’t want to be caught at a convention such as CPAC, I understand that there are a few members of the LGBT community who would like to share in the conservative movement’s big love-in. Well, I wish them the best, but nobody should be the subject of this kind of abuse. These are sincere (I assume) conservatives who simply disagree with you on an issue of social conservatism. Defining a person by one act, one relationship, or one aspect of who they are is an affront to both morality and common decency.
And so to the gentleman who made Sorba’s “enemies list.” Savor it, being on that list certainly can’t hurt.
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dieter | February 19, 2010 at 3:55 pm
If I ever meet that guy in person I shall spend the rest of my life in prison.
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Ray Harwick | February 19, 2010 at 4:57 pm
He was BOO-ED off the stage!!!!
For that his career will consist of carrying Karl Rove’s luggage through airports.
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 19, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Dieter, he is not worth it. As the old saying goes, when you give a man enough rope, he will hang himself with it.
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Ronnie | February 19, 2010 at 6:25 pm
“You made an enemy out of me Buddy”…..he just publicly threatened them….he’s a FOOL!!!!!!!…….<3…Ronnie
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truthspew | February 19, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Yeah, me too. I love punks like that. Their arguments hold no validity so they’ll use bluster to try to deflect the inevitable criticism.
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Norcal | February 20, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Sir, violence is always wrong. He actually made some good points.
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Felyx | February 20, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Surely you mean he made some good points BEFORE he started ranting out the gibberish as presented in this soundbite?!!!
And yes, violence is ALWAYS wrong, except for when you are being VIOLENTLY attack and need to defend yourself, or someone you love, or someone nearby, or just about anytime when violence is actually warranted…but OTHER than THAT…..
Suspiciously yours,
Felyx
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Alan E. | February 19, 2010 at 3:55 pm
I dare him to say that on the street to someone. See if his face stays the same shape.
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Andrea | February 19, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Martin Ssempa is Rick Warren’s go-to guy in Uganda.
Rick Warren give the invocation at Obama’s inauguration. That makes Obama just one step removed from the rock-throwing mobs in Uganda.
Meanwhile, a homophobe gets booed off the stage at CPAC. Amazing.
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John | February 19, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Oh, don’t remind me of Rick Warren. Back when I went through
brainwashingConfirmation, we had to read The Purpose Driven Life. Horribly written, and I really disagreed with the message. It’s probably one of the early factors in my deconversion.11.
Alan E. | February 20, 2010 at 10:55 am
My reconversion started when I did an exercise in confirmation where my group had to explain the Catholic Mass to a visitor from another world.
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 11:09 am
I asked a Catholic friend for some information because I had been invited to a wedding mass and I didn’t know the etiquette or what I was supposed to do. Now, he is kind of irreverent (which is one of the things I love about him), but his answer surprised me.
Abner’s recommendation was “sit in the back and bring a good book. Those things go on for hours, and as a non-Catholic you don’t have to jump up and down and kneel.”
Love,
Fiona
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PDXAndrew | February 20, 2010 at 4:55 pm
LOL… truly, Fiona, that’s good advice. My cousin was married in a Catholic Mass. As family, I had to be near the front, tho, and couldn’t hide in the back with a book (tho if I remember correctly, I did just that for most of the reception, lol).
All the standing, kneeling, sitting, back to kneeling… It was like gym class calestenics all over again. For about 2 hours. UGH
Even if the Catholic church all of a sudden started doing gay weddings, I think I’d still pass, thankyouverymuch.
Good thing we’re safe from that possibility, eh?
Love,
Andrew
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 5:21 pm
I think it was only GOProud that was booing.
I don’t believe Rethugs were coming to our defense in ANY way.
It was the Gay Republican group that was doing the booing.
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Andrea | February 19, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Not so sure about that, Bill. There’s a lot more booing than applause. Look how many people are in that room! If they were applauding this guy, you’d hear it. And when he leaves, two people in the background stand up (is that Maggie?) and cheer but everyone else is just sitting there, hands in laps, not even polite applause for the guy.
It may well just be politics, the order could have come down to stay off the gay stuff to avoid driving Democrats to the polls this fall. There’s no strategic value in ignoring my own senses and pretending not to see what I see, though.
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Lori | February 19, 2010 at 6:34 pm
I thought that the booing early on was because they saw Sorba as criticizing CPAC. It died down somewhat when he said he loved CPAC, and I only noticed it again when GOProud started booing.
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 6:44 pm
I wasn’t saying I was sure of it, I’m not sure of it. BUt I won’t believe that anyone other than GOProud was booing until I actually see it for myself.
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JonT | February 19, 2010 at 4:25 pm
How do I get on that list? Is there a page we can sign up for it? :)
What a loser.
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 19, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Brian, to be totally honest with you, even the Ugandan minister showing gay porn that he downloaded from the Internet is mild compared to the lengths I have seen people go in order to demonize us and demonstrate their homophobia. Take the Matthew Shepard case for example. Or how about a friend of mine form school who was reeatedly stabbed and slashed, then to cover up the fact that he was murdered for being gay, they torched his car and stole his wallet, afterward getting themselves caught by trying to use his checks and his credit cards at locations where my friend was known. They will not stop until they think we are all dead. NOthing is off limits for them. NOTHING!!!
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G. Rod | February 19, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Whether in Uganda or America, there is good reason to support separation of church and state. Is not the preferred tax status being available to churches conditional on their not getting mixed up in politics – matters of the state. Andrea in # 6 mentions Rev R. Warren involvement in President Obama’s inauguration. Perhaps the Reverend’s invocation is a good example of a culture that mixes church and state whenever it’s advantageous for either to do so.
Stereotyping minorities, in God’s name, has always kept bums in seats in America and in Uganda.
Churches do use technologies including downloads from the Internet to communicate their message, to educate their parishioners. Martin Ssempa’s efforts to garner support of the church-goes for a proposed law isn’t much different than what happens weekly here. Agreed, the content is different.
Martin knows that watching porn is addictive, popular amongst all ages. Maybe he’s on to something: showing porn will keep bums in pews. Ask your pastor if he’s planning to copy his approach!
Richard, how does one not fall into demonize those whose demonize you?
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 19, 2010 at 8:10 pm
It is a very thin line to walk. Fortunately, I try to hold to the high road and try to not lower myself to the same tactics. I try to use only truth, rather than scare tactics. I try to hold to only what I have experienced and seen. While I am not perfect at this (yes, there are times when my emotions get the better of me, just ask my husband!), I work hard every day to improve. And I read. Not just electronic formats, but also hard copy. And I question people who know more than I do. I look beyond the surface. That is all I can do. And I have given up trying to read HaShem’s mind. The last time I tried that one, she laughed at me.
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Tim | February 20, 2010 at 2:29 am
” Churches do use technologies including downloads from the Internet to communicate their message, to educate their parishioners”
G. Rod Are you sure you don’t mean Brainwash their parishioners?
The more this issue is argued the more I am being pushed away from religion and that saddens me!
I’m a christian by heart, but on the other hand I don’t want to be grouped with people that are so easily brainwashed and can no longer think for themselves.At first anger took over my emotions but I realized I should feel sorry for this Hateful bigot because he does not realize that homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality.He just does not know the truth.Well I do, and i feel sorry for him!
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David Kimble | February 20, 2010 at 8:55 am
I rejected Christianity as a faith some years ago. Does that mean I am evil? No. I have studied at great lengths the Christian doctrine and have found contradictions in their theology to be an inexhaustible pit of dichotomy and desperation. I have studied many of the faiths of the world and have found some truth in all doctrines. Yet, in my search for “ALL TRUTH”, as I put it, it saddens me what man has morphed into the scriptures. From demonizing blacks to the incubus of the GLBT community, their use of the scriptures astounds me in ways, I had not thought possible. <3David
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Warner | February 19, 2010 at 4:26 pm
I am sorry that every woman he has ever slept with has turned lesbian rather than be reminded of bad sex with this douchebag.
I know… harsh words dont get us anywhere.
also, it is GOProud, not gopride!!! if you are going to attack someone, get their name right. it only makes you look like more of a uneducated closet case when you get it wrong.
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 5:24 pm
I would be very very surprised to find out that Ryan Sorba is sexually interested in women in any way, shape or form.
To me, he seems like a closeted gay man, who has been so severely abused & repressed, that he’s gone a bit koo koo and can only deal with sexuality in terms of hatred.
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Lora | February 19, 2010 at 10:49 pm
Here’s a quote I found that relates to this:
“If you hate something thoroughly without knowing why, you can be sure there is something of it in your own nature.” —Friedrich Hebbel
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Joe | February 21, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Me thinks he doth protest too much.
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Straight Dave | February 19, 2010 at 6:43 pm
I would be very very surprised to find out that women are sexually interested in Ryan Sorba in any way, shape or form. Such off-the-charts intolerance and anger don’t play very well with the women I know, even conservative ones, and even if he thinks of himself as quite the hunk.
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 6:46 pm
He must do the’ angry-f**k’.
Fun.
For no one.
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 19, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Yes, and IMHO, if Ryan Sorba thinks of himself as quite the hunk, he either needs to visit the eye doctor or buy a new mirror.
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K!r!lleXXI | February 19, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Porn in church… GAY porn in church…
The lengths people will go just to hate someone!
And we (the geighs) are the ones who went too far away from normalcy?
In the meantime, I’m sure most of gays don’t watch porn, despise porn and never do many of the things someone’s sick imagination made up for someone else’s sick pleasure… It’s not fair to declare this is how we live! I’m surprised they don’t picture us with horns and hoofs and tails… But who knows…
Kirill,
25-year-old Russian gay man
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dieter | February 19, 2010 at 4:41 pm
hey Kirill..have not heard from you recently since you messaged me on youtube.
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K!r!lleXXI | February 19, 2010 at 4:44 pm
I thought it might be you in the first comment :)
I haven’t received a reply from you to my last letter via email, figured you didn’t like it :) Anyway, didn’t want to be a stalker :)
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dieter | February 19, 2010 at 6:54 pm
cuz you said you were going to bed..lol..I love getting emails…would never think of you as a stalker!!
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Marlene Bomer | February 19, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Of course using lies, slander and deliberate misinformation isn’t new for bigots — and in the hands of African conservatives, the highest sort of hypocrisy known on this planet!
Gee… do I *have* to bring up all those stories white slavemasters told their kids, who then told their kids, and so on in order to dehumanize black people in order to justify enslaving them?
Hey Sissyemba! Where’s your tail? You swing from the trees like an ape? You related to the gorillas? You eat bananas?
OMG, this man is the lowest sort of pervert!
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Here’s his blog. With email addresses and everything!!!!
Let’s send him a note, shall we?
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 5:27 pm
sorry, here it is:
http://www.martinssempa.com/contact.html
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Andrea | February 19, 2010 at 5:47 pm
The guy is quite clearly mentally unstable and somewhat sadistic-narcissistic. He’s going to get off on any angry emails you send him, you know that, right? Why give him what he wants?
Besides, the GOP isn’t like the Democratic Party. The Republicans march in lockstep and toe the party line. Calling out another Republican by name as an ‘enemy’ is not cool with them. They’ll handle it, and when they do it he’ll care and it’ll hurt.
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Felyx | February 20, 2010 at 7:20 am
@Kirill
The name thing, it was only in fun. Have no worries.
The US, gay rights are moving fast….remember, we still have open book stores, shops, television (even a gay channel) and parades….if you were here (especially in NC where I live) you would laugh at the hatred!! You would say, “Is that the best you can do? In Russia they can make us fear for our lives!!! But here?!!! I can only laugh at this!!!” Beware the media you see. It is true there is discrimination, and I am not denying there are those who even rape and kill gays, but they are brought to justice and spend their lifetime paying for it. In Russia this may not so be the case.
Anyway, I support your decisions. We all will support your decisions. You have to let us know what you want and there will be those to assist you. Write to Richard and tell him to contact me if you want. No need to feel hopeless…we can give some practical and useful help.
Answer me this if it is ok with you….what do you do? Your job? and do you have passport and papers for international travel? Curious to know. Write Richard and ask him to write me. Then I will be able to email you too. Felyx
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K!r!lleXXI | February 20, 2010 at 8:15 am
@Felyx
Open book stores, sex shops, gay bars — I’m pretty sure we have that here, too, for gays, in Moscow, because, you know, it’s not forbidden, their hands are tied, besides, it’s profitable (other than that, Moscow is a very homophobic city). What I’m talking about is people in our everyday lives — family members, neighbors, co-workers, employees, coffee-shop waiters, and so on, and so forth. This is what matters — the people surrounding us, those we interact with all the time. And when they are so overwhelmingly against you, when they can fire you for being out, discriminate against you, make you feel inferior, shove it in your face that you are not allowed to marry a person of your choice — this is what matters, not all those framework legal things that mean nothing. In that sense, I see some similarities between US and Russia. But, of course, things are much better over there in US — if I were American living in US, I would be out by now and much more open with people around me.
In Russia, many stories about gays being killed never make the headlines in newspapers. Only when the murdered gay man can be shown like some scum. Not long time ago there was a story like that: a gay guy was a hustler who was wearing female clothes and make-up, he picked up a trick and took him to his apartment; John (I believe this is the term for hookers’ clients) didn’t know the hustler was a man (he was too drunk to notice the difference), so when he figured it out after he felt up the gay guy John flipped out and killed him — the defense argued his honor was at stake, he defended himself from a filthy pervert… yes, “honor” — hookers’ client have that, too, apparently… But, do you think we would hear a Matthew-Shepard-like story? No way! A kid full of life who didn’t do anything wrong and was killed only because of his perceived homosexuality — that is way too heartbreaking, our society doesn’t need this, we shouldn’t pity the geighs. I gotta stop ranting! :)
I’ve contacted Richard already, we’re figuring it out. Thanks for your support! It’s a bit scary to make such life-changing decisions as moving to another country half-way around the world, jumping into the unknown — you never know if you actually would be welcome there.
Regarding your questions. I’m an undergrad in math and IT who had to drop out for medical reasons, now I can’t finish my education to get a full diploma, so I don’t know who am I — an idiot? My job was to maintain a website, but recently I was let go due to the economy and recession. Still looking for a job. International documents: none, but it doesn’t matter because I have no money to even buy a plane ticket to Toronto, so it’s not like I’m good to go any moment now. I was going to start getting international papers ready right after I get a new job, by the time they are ready I should have enough savings to get a ticket and still have enough money Canadian government requires you to have in your bank account, in order to prove you won’t become a liability and will be able to pay the rent and buy your food (something like 1600-1700 Canadian dollars, about the same amount in USD) — that’s a lot for Russia, it may take me up to a year to get that amount of money, depending on salary… we here live pretty much in poverty, the prices are low, but so are the wages.
Re: writing to Richard — will do.
–Kirill
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Felyx | February 20, 2010 at 9:22 am
@Kirill
хорошо! It is worth the effort. I will contact Richard when I am able and can contact you when I have talked to him. Until then! Феликс
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K!r!lleXXI | February 20, 2010 at 9:25 am
Большое спасибо, Феликс!
Не знаю, что вы там с Ричардом задумали, подождём, увидим!
До связи!
How about that? :-))
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Felyx | February 20, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Hehehe! Are you not tired?! Anyway, Do cvyazi!! Felyx
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Joe | February 21, 2010 at 3:16 pm
There’s a problem with the Republicans all in lockstep… If it’s an “all or nothing” you’re going for, don’t be surprised if you end up with nothing.
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Felyx | February 19, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Horosho shto tiu na (on)lini. Ya rad tebyad fstretit’.
I hope you find this site very informative and can find a voice here and a feeling of ‘vmyestnost’.
Sincerely, Felyx
(Ya nye ruski, no ya ‘goloboy’-I just love that word ;P!! Izvini shto ya plokho govoryou porusski!)
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K!r!lleXXI | February 19, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Hey, Felix!
You’re pretty good with Russian! You shouldn’t say that it’s bad, it’s pretty impressive!
I’ve been on this site since January 11th, following the trial.
P.S. “Goluboy” (or “golooboy”) is actually kinda derogatory here, any word for gays in Russian language is pretty derogatory, especially “pidoras” (directly from “pederast” — they actively push this idea in Russian media that all gays are child molesters, it started in USSR times and now they can’t stop: every week I hear numerous stories about pedophiles, and they always choose only men attacking young boys — pushing the “gay-pedophile” ideas into people’s heads; they never tell about men attacking girls… this is how I know it’s gonna get worse in Russia pretty soon, witch-hunt is on the way, hell, it’s underway already!).
At least, we have some online support around the world!
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Felyx | February 19, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Sorry, I know the word is offensive but here no one knows the meaning of these things. I like the fact that it is ‘skyblue’ like the feeling (of the color) of freedom in the blue sky and the fact that it ends with boy….anything that ends with boy (as in ‘those awesome gay boyz’ and not meaning children) is nice in my book.
As ‘horosho ya govoryou porusski’, you ‘otlichno’ speak English!!!
So what is the situation there? What kinda ‘which-hunting’ are you predicting? (As in how is it going to get worse.) I am curious to know how you manage and would love to hear more.
Felyx (with y … for distinction. :`)
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K!r!lleXXI | February 19, 2010 at 6:24 pm
@Felix
“Goluboy” in Russian sounds like “pinkish,” meaning “girly, effeminate, not-manly,” otherwise it’s the best there is. I prefer to say “гей” (“gay”), dunno if Russian letters will show up, so the transliteration will be “gei” — we just use English word. Skies are great, but that’s not what straights mean when they call you this :(
Thanks for the high praise of my English, believe me it’s far from perfect.
Witch-hunting: pretty much the same that was going on in USA in late 60s – early 70s. We already have police riots of gay bars off the record (when they trash everything and beat the shit out of gays, and then refuse to accept formal complaints about the beating). Now we have this PR for gays-pedophiles. No one allows us to have a Gay Pride Parade in any form anywhere. Religious leaders (Orthodox, Jewish, Muslim) openly call for violence against gays — they want straights to flog anyone who walks down the street with pro-gay posters or in Go-Go Boys outfits — and this hate speech is in the mainstream media nationwide, in 2000s! Every now and then we hear legislators trying to introduce a bill re-criminalizing homosexual acts between consenting adults (it was repealed in 1993, back then it only applied to gay men, now they want to include lesbians, too) — that’s why my photo is blurred… I don’t want to be recognized. One city (forgot which one) was going to introduce some kind of a bill to protect the children — I guess it’s something like California 1964 bill or UK Section 28 — “don’t let those geighs to work with children!” kind of thing. Everyone’s in the closet here! EVERYONE! (including yours truly *sigh*) As people start to come out, we’ll have a wave of gays being fired from their jobs, and the funny thing is, it is kinda allowed — all you have to say is that homosexuality is indecency per se, and fire someone gay for that. We have no anti-discrimination protections whatsoever. Straights say we are lucky we’re not in prison: 44% of people support re-criminalization of homosexual acts between consenting adults!
What’s gonna happen — I don’t even wanna guess. All I know is that the American scheme of using gays as scapegoats and something you can play with to win elections was obviously noticed in Kremlin: now they want to play the same game — create the hatred toward gays for no good reason (“save the children”), then tell everyone you’ll save those children and win the elections by “exposing” your rivals as homos.
Right now people don’t really care about gays, they think it’s something very-very rare, like a serial killer in your family tree… That’s because everyone’s in the closet! Once we start crawling out, it’s on, baby! We’ll be fried. That’s what is mostly scary — coming out in huge numbers and showing that we’re here, we’re queer, and we deserve our rights… this is when the religious right will start crying wolf — you know, to gather some new church members with their donations! Good times… Can’t wait… *sarcastically*
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Felyx | February 19, 2010 at 7:11 pm
@Cyril (Kirill I know but you keep writing Felix instead of Felyx…so I am gently teasing you :P)
It pains me to hear what you have to say. If you do decide to come to North Carolina as Richard had offered I would love to meet you; I live very close and could also help with adjusting.
But I understand that you must do as you must. One does not ever stop loving one’s own people. Leaving one’s own culture can be very challenging. There will be need for you if you wish to make a difference. For that reason we are always available with information of how to create support groups, grassroots movements, organization etc. There will always be people here that have scientific information and tested methods of creating social change.
As for moving to Canada, I hope the best for you if you succeed. If you do I would still love to hear about it. All I can say is keep fighting!! You have the spirit. Felyx
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K!r!lleXXI | February 20, 2010 at 3:15 am
@Felyx
I’m sorry for typing your name incorrectly! I was on autopilot last night… It was like 5 am in my timezone, I was pretty tired and almost falling asleep while typing.
I dismissed the idea of moving to USA after everything I’ve learned about the majority of American people being so aggressive towards gays, denying them rights at the ballot box, using Jesus as an excuse to hate them, and fighting marriage equality so mercilessly and unabashedly. It was right after the infamous loss in Maine in November 2009 when I saw the true face of the homo-hatred you have to deal with in your country even after decades of gay rights movement’s advances and victories. It was a wake-up call for me to realize that the same fight is what we’re gonna have on our hands in Russia, and this multi-decade fight just seems like too much.
Yesterday I stumbled upon this apparently famous video from Courage Campaign — Fidelity: Don’t Divorce… — and there I saw this elderly couple of gay men who held a poster that said something like “46 years together” — I couldn’t stop crying through the whole thing watching all those happy couples and wishing to have something like that one day… amazing how people can find the love of their lives and stay together no matter what… but living in this hateful atmosphere… I kept imagining myself being one of those old guys living with the man I love for almost 5 decades in Russia and being denied a simple word — husband… I want to be among people who won’t tell me that my relationship is not real, that my commitment is fake, that my love is perverted, that I have no legal right to call this man my husband and tell people I am married… And I want my government, whichever that is, to recognize me and the most important relationship in my life with my partner — my family, my real family, not the one that kicks me out when I finally work up the nerve to come out to them.
If I am deemed “not cool enough” to become American, or Canadian, or someone else, then, I guess, I have no other choice but to join the fight here, for future generations of Russian GLBs… at least I will have a reason to live. And I will most definitely need all the information you can provide for grassroots efforts. My English skills are good enough, and my Russian skills are more than enough to translate some of those texts if necessary.
Thank you for all your support! I can’t believe there are people like you who are willing to help just like that! You, guys, are giving me a hope — something I really need sometimes when I feel too overwhelmed and helpless, which is pretty much all the time.
– Kirill
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 5:17 pm
I was thinking that gay porn in church would give me a reason to finally GO to church…
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K!r!lleXXI | February 19, 2010 at 5:28 pm
I’m pretty sure that Ugandan pastor found the most perverted hardcore porn — people were leaving in tears, for Christ sake (but maybe they just envied the guys in the porn realizing how long they lived and didn’t even know all those positions and techniques their wives won’t let them try now)!
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JonT | February 19, 2010 at 5:48 pm
I’d bet he found the most disgusting stuff he could find (scat, fisting, whatever) and showed that as an example of what gay people are all about. I can’t believe anyone watched it. The last time he tried that, everyone left in disgust just as the ‘presentation’ was starting. He must have vetted his audience a little better this time.
I’m sure I could find some equivalently disgusting str8 porn that most straight people would find disgusting, let alone gay people.
But, it makes quite clear what his point of view is regarding gay relationships: It’s apparently all about the most disgusting sexual acts he can find on the internet.
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Any sexual act some gay people do, some straight people also do. And in FAR greater numbers.
I mean, let’s cut the crap, right?
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 19, 2010 at 5:41 pm
Kirille, my husband the rabbi asked me to find out if you are Jewish. If so, we can get you out of Russia where you will not have to live in fear of your life. He knows some agencies that can help with that.
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K!r!lleXXI | February 19, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Richard, I’m not Jewish (just a little bit from my great-great-grandfather maybe). Thanks for the offer, though.
I’m planning to leave Russia, preferably to Canada — but it’s not that easy, may not work out at all :(
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 19, 2010 at 5:54 pm
My husband said that according to Halakah, that makes you Jewish. And we would really like to help you out. Contact us and we will do what we can t start the ball rolling on this end. It may be easier to do it that way And yes, we can contact agencies with Canadian connections that can set you down there. rawalter63@yahoo.com.us
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K!r!lleXXI | February 19, 2010 at 7:05 pm
@Richard, I can’t prove that he was Jewish — in Russia hatred toward Jewish people has always been something disgusting, some of them were even relocated to Evreiskaya Avtonomnaya Oblast (Jewish Region — specifically created to send ’em all there, if I’m not mistaken — they don’t teach that in history class), so Jewish people here were also “in the closet,” so to speak (can’t really say who has it worse: gays or Jews)… I know my great-great-grandfather’s last name finished with ‘ski’ (which in Russia means “probably Jewish” — and I took that last name, gave up my father’s last name 4 years ago because he’s a mean drunk), and he was an Orthodox priest, not Hebrew, but I can see family resemblance in me and my mother — clearly Jewish traits in face bones structure (and don’t get me started on my mother’s temper!). :)
So, it is very nice of you to offer that help, I’ll email you tomorrow (it’s 6 am in Russia now, I really gotta go to sleep), but if it means that I have to convert into your faith, I’ll respectfully decline — I have my own religious/scientific views I’m not gonna abandon (even if it means staying here and getting killed for being gay and sticking my neck out of my closet). I am committed to following the path of truth (including truth to myself and with myself) and knowledge, I have my very own understanding of God (not that “God is love” thing). I respect every religion there is, even when they don’t respect me for being gay or something. But these views are the result of 10 years of soul-searching and looking for answers to paradoxical questions — I am not abandoning my own path to whatever it is down the road (whatever questions I haven’t answered or haven’t even seen), just for a chance to live my dream — lying to people who helped me would be the worst sin for me.
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 19, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Kirille, the groups my husband knows about would not require you to go through a conversion to help you get out of Russia. And they have ways of being able to validate your lineage that would enable you to remain true to yourself and all who help you. They have ways of finding out simply by you giving them names on your mother’s side as far back as you have the names. That is all that would be requred. And if your path should lead you to a deeper exploration, there are movements within the Jewish community who would embrace your sexual orientation. I am looking forward to hearing from you.
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Ryan Sorba, Ryan Sorba, Ryan Sorba…
Let’s all really get to know him, shall we…
http://ryansorba.blogspot.com/
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 4:48 pm
and here’s more…
http://youngcc.blogspot.com/
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 4:56 pm
and a link to his entire book in PDF format titled, ‘The Born Gay Hoax.”
Click to access TheBornGayHoax.pdf
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 5:02 pm
and here’s some REALLY sick s**t with him commenting on his ‘book…’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1774945/posts
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 5:03 pm
and one final video clip…
http://yafwatch.blogspot.com/2007/10/ryan-sorba-gets-his-facts-wrong.html
Dude is batshit crazy.
Batshit.
Crazy.
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fiona64 | February 19, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Southern Poverty Law Center has cited MassResistance as a hate group. Just sayin’ …
I’m really annoyed tonight. That former friend of mine to whom I have alluded a few times decided to post a malicious review of my memoir (which is the top-selling memoir on Smashwords right now). It’s obvious in the review that he hasn’t read the book, and that he is trying to damage my reputation as an author. I have been unfailingly polite any time I have referred to him. He said he didn’t want to be friends anymore (he did this one before) and all I said was “you did this to me once before, you will NOT get a chance to do it again.” He has subsequently been posting inflammatory things all over the internet in various places where he knows I post, obviously hoping for my attention. When it didn’t work any other way, he did this.
This is a gay man who completely loathes himself and is in dire need of counseling. I pity him. What a sad little person.
I am sure I will feel better eventually, but when someone who alleges that they want nothing more to do with me (surely that is their choice — his reason, FWIW, is that I refused to bend my thinking to match his on healthcare reform and numerous other issues. Did I mention that I have no use anymore for Randians?) cannot leave me alone and goes to the extent of trying to damage my professional reputation, well, that is just a little much.
Love,
Fiona
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K!r!lleXXI | February 20, 2010 at 6:21 am
Hi Fiona!
Self-loathing gay man, you say? We all know the type…
I am really sorry about what he did. He did not just offend you, he offended us all, like all the other self-loathing internalized homophobes, and it’s not just the offense, it’s damaging to how people see gays. It’s not the gay thing that makes people this way, it’s the self-pity and self-hatred empowered by the society’s adversity to gays, which does not excuse them in any way, but explains why the fight we fight is so important.
–Kirill
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Marlene Bomer | February 19, 2010 at 5:05 pm
And as usual…. both blogs are WAY past due for an update, and is typicalf a bigot, he doesn’t allow comments on the second blog link….
A sad example of a pathetic human being…
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JonT | February 19, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Yeah, that seems to be common among haters – no commenting :)
I think it says alot about them.
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Felyx | February 19, 2010 at 6:06 pm
To JonT,
I am not sure how GLBT try to recruit, but as it so happens I know how hets do it.
*In commercials for Viagra, K-Y Lube, Valtax, cruises, vacations, Soups, cars, beer, and mowing the lawn. (Because most all women like to mow the lawn while wearing bikinis.)
*They subconsciously recruit in Soap operas, sitcoms, couples in gameshows, childrens shows, wholesome family (but not gay family) shows, cartoons and in the news.
*At church where as a single man I am peer pressured to join the singles dating. (Sounds inocuous but they only want you to hit on girls….can we say EWWWWW?
Also, it is hard to play some board games without noticing the obvious bias as my LIFE is really never going to look like the box cover.
I am not being comprehensive here but I think I have made my point. By the time Will & Grace came out…I was well on recruited….(I am not sure by who though as I never even got a t-shirt.)
As for Sorba and ‘Labyrinth’ guy…can we say Asperger’s? (Yes it sounds like Ass Burgers….and yes it seems fitting…look it up and you will understand.)
Still recovering,
Felyx
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JonT | February 19, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Wow bill, there are some really screwed up people on that freerepublic link you provided.
Recruitment? I have heard *so* much about how LGBT people somehow recruit people to be gay. I can’t understand how anyone (especially straight people) could buy into that crap.
I mean really, to any of the straight people that participate here: How would one go about recruiting you to be gay?
Offer money? Hand out pamphlets? Organize a ‘Be Gay!’ seminar?
These people are just so… F’ed in the head.
And that ‘Labyrinth’ guy hahah, I laughed at every one of his posts. It’s like he ran everyone through a thesaurus, so he sound like he knew WTF he was talking about.
This was my favorite quote from him (laby):
‘In a secular sense, homosexuality is an idolatry of perversion. It is in no way an anatomical function of the human organism, but a phantasmagoric creation from within the mentally disturbed human mind, a social psychosis, naked and on full exhibitionist display. ‘
Wow, you can’t make self-indulgent nutbaggery like that up! :)
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 5:53 pm
I agree. Crazy like you read about in the newspaper, right?
But still absolutely and completely terrifying that these people exist. The put their evil thoughts right out there for all the world to see. And our governemnt STILL does not protect us.
I can only imagine the fear that LGTB Ugandans must be living in 24/7 right now.
But mostly, that humanity has seemingly learned nothing from its warped, violent history makes me quite fearful that humanity will repeat its mistakes from the past. I truly worry about LGTB genocide starting in Uganda, and just sort of spreading. I fear that it would not take very much to even get our allies to turn on us, if they faced prison terms for not turning us in and that kind of thing.
I am struck, possibly for the first time in my life, at just how powerless we truly are. And that at any given moment, 95% of the population could simply decide to dispose of us.
I worry. I try not to let it destroy my life, but I worry.
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 19, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Bill, I can readily understand why you worry. I remember a comment early on with the Tracker where someone said his grandfather told him as a boy “wh they go after the queers, it’s starting again.” And his grandfather was referring to what the Nazis di. His grandfather had served in WWII and saw action in Germany and the other areas hijacked by the Nazis. And yes, it is starting again. And unlss we all stand up in unison and fight, it will spread.
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adam | February 19, 2010 at 6:36 pm
Good lord, all that and he writes like H. P. Lovecraft on a three-day ether binge.
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PDXAndrew | February 19, 2010 at 6:38 pm
I think it comes down to the difference between ‘being gay’ and living a ‘gay lifestyle’.
I cannot ‘recruit’ someone to be gay (though there are some I wished I could have, sigh) and I did not choose to be gay.
But, I did choose to stop lying to myself and everyone else. I did choose to stop living in fear. I did choose to stop attempting suicide -at the time I thought I was such a loser that I couldn’t even do that correctly. I did choose to finally learn to love myself. I could have chosen to stay in the closet, but I didn’t, thank God: I CHOSE TO COME OUT. Some would say that I choose a gay lifestyle over a Str-hate deathstyle.
As for recruitment… As a closeted kid, I had no gay role-models. The only guy I knew who was gay (I think… I didn’t know him that well, but now that I know how gaydar works, I’m pretty sure) was beaten up on a regular basis in school. How he ever survived, I don’t know.
It wasn’t until I was 30 or so that I learned one of my coworkers was gay. Robin was an awesome employee, and his sexuality was a non-issue. Even our strongly Mormon boss seemed to not care. Robin and had been with his partner for over 15 years. They helped me finally accept who I was, realize that I was worthy of one day (still waiting) finding that special someone. They took me to my first gay bar… Don’t remember too much, was too drunk :)
some would say they recruited me to the gay lifestyle. I say they RESCUED ME from a life of self loathing.
So, yes.. One could say there is a choice of and recruitment into the gay lifestyle; I think of it as salvation.
Watch, some hatero who’s lurking on this site’s gonna steal part of that last bit and use it out of context to support their big str-hate agenda; I say ‘let them’… I’ll just sue for plagarism :)
thanks for letting me ramble on. :)
Love,
Andrew
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K!r!lleXXI | February 20, 2010 at 6:53 am
@PDXAndrew
In these words of yours I see myself a year ago!
I also did choose to change, not just accept that I’m gay and forget about it like it is something shameful, but choose to face this important part of my life and embrace it, as much as I can in such a homophobic society like Russia!
No one recruited me either, I don’t know a single gay man or woman in person, everyone’s in the closet here. “Member since 2004,” as Will from Will & Grace would say, though I didn’t get my “members only” jacket or a t-shirt.
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 8:17 am
Hi, Kyrill (did I spell that right? I hope so …). Thank you for your kind words.
I understand how cruel society is to LGBT people. It makes me sad and angry. What I do not understand (and doubt I ever will) is how that gives some people what they see as a license to be cruel to others. When R. said he did not want to be friends anymore, I accepted it I was hurt, but recognized that as his choice. Apparently, I was supposed to grovel and beg for him to change his mind — which I didn’t do. Now, he has chosen this method to get my attention. I am sure that you are right; many people who are against equality might look at this action on R.’s part and say “See? Gay people hate straight people. Look what he did to this woman who was his friend since high school.”
What I have learned from this experience is that he is insane in irreparable ways, and that it was a mistake to let him back into my life four years ago when he begged me to do so. It will not happen again.
I am grateful for my kind and supportive friends all over the world.
Love,
Fiona
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Nick | February 19, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Sorba never changes….he and I went to the same university, and he was famous for all his homophobic flyers based on studies he took out of context (I always checked his sources since he had the balls to cite them in his flyers) and “blacklists” of progressive professors (whose classes he’d sometimes crash just so he could make a scene). Even the College Republicans club on campus eventually didn’t want anything to do with him because of his actions.
Oh well, like the lady at the end of the clip said, he does have freedom of speech….even if the most part of what he says is based upon ignorance and homophobia. At least Sorba makes it easy to spot him for what he is…unlike some bigots and homophobes who hide in the shadows while spreading their hate.
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 4:52 pm
The only kind of human being capable of this kind of craziness is, well, a freakin’ CRAZY person.
Ryan Sorba may or may not live long enough to regret his stupidity.
But I kinda hope he’s not.
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Mouse | February 19, 2010 at 4:58 pm
I wonder if his charging in and making a scene, spewing his anti-gay garbage every chance he gets, results in him bedding a lot of guys?
Honestly, how and why do people get themselves so worked up over made-up crazy and end up on anti-gay crusades? Where does that come from?
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 5:28 pm
It comes from Jesus, apparently.
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Do you call yourself Mouse after Tales of the City?
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Felyx | February 19, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Asperger’s. I think Sorba is just mentally challenged.
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 19, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Only one problem with saying he is mentally challenged, Felyx. Don’t you have to have a mind in order to be mentaly challenged? I’m not really convinced he has one of those.
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Kathleen | February 19, 2010 at 5:45 pm
I just wanted to say that I’m so proud to be part of this brilliant community. You not only intellectually stimulate, but there is always at least one comment here every day that catches my by surprise and leaves me laughing out loud. (Just now it was JonT and his “self-indulgent nutbaggery” comment, followed by Bill and his Jesus attribution).
THANK YOU EVERYONE!
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Bill | February 19, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Always happy to induce a chuckle.
Love to you,
Bill
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Felyx | February 19, 2010 at 6:46 pm
I just want to comment, so often when you are apalled at and start fighting persons over some issue and it starts to get as heated as this Sorba guy got, you are really dealing with someone with a genuine mental illness.
Maggie Gallagher probably suffers from some sort of borderline personality disorder (child out of wedlock guilt thing, sees everything in black and white terms, probably has a poor self image clearly has trouble in personal relationships.)
Sorba sounds like major Asperger’s Syndrome. The ranting in his book is a textbook example; throws together lots of fifty cent words in a way that robs that phrases and paragraphs of any coherent meaning. It is difficult to evaluate the statements he makes only because the vocabulary is being incorrectly used even though the grammar is fairly sound. The way he conducted himself on the podium is another example. The point of giving a speech is usually to persuade the audience to your ideas. His retoric succeeded only in alienating the audience in a way that seemed to give himself a grandiose feeling of importance.
I would say that most H8ers are a combination of ignorance mix with a need to maintain a sense of control in ones life. But when you are dealing with some extreme types, Maggie, Sorba, that really knock you for a loop, please consider that you are dealing with a mental challenge issue and not a stable secure logical individual.
Lovingly,
Felyx
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fiona64 | February 19, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Felyx, your comments turned out to be timely — and not because of Prop 8. I posted a few minutes ago about the former friend and his scathing “review” of my memoir (it was a stage for a personal attack and nothing but). I have suspected for a while that he was in need of counseling, but I think there are some things for which there is no cure.
Your remarks helped me pause and realize that I should not take the ravings of a madman to heart.
Love,
Fiona
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Felyx | February 19, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Thought you might have missed me…(pity pout).
Taking mad[person] ravings to heart only leads to heart problems….using said heart to temper head can lead to increase well-being. I have a mother with something akin to histrionic personality disorder. Understanding this gave me the strength to finally love and permanently ignore her. (You can love a person and not feel you have to interact with them!)
To your increased happiness…Felyx
Felix qui cum Felyx felix est!!!
(Or for the hot naughty gay guyz…
Felix qui cum Felyx felix venit!!! :P )
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dieter | February 19, 2010 at 6:55 pm
hey everyone: I have decided that from here forward I shall only refer to that witch as ” Maggot Gallagher”
Period.
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Richard W. Fitch | February 19, 2010 at 6:58 pm
It’s one thing to know that these people exist; it is something quite different to actually spew their hate in a semi-public venue.
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Ronnie | February 19, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Ok so I have narrowed some songs down that I wan to use for the video I am going to make with some of the pictures from the “NO H8” campaign….I might remix the songs let me know what you think:
1. No Air – Glee Cast version
2. True Colors – Glee Cast version
3. Imagine – Glee Cast version
4. Champion – RuPaul
5. Master Plan – Adam Lambert
6. Listen – Beyonce
7. Written All Over My Face – Kris Allen
If you have any suggestions let me know and check out some of the pics at http://www.noh8campaign.com…….<3…Ronnie
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PDXAndrew | February 19, 2010 at 8:07 pm
I’d suggest maybe No Matter What — BoyZone version… I mean, hey:
A) the lyrics are very applicalbe
b) it’s from an Andrew Lloyd Weber musical
C) it sung by a boy band
what more do we need?
Love,
Andrew
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 19, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Or how about “God must have spent a little more time with you” by N’sync? Beautiful song, appropriate to our cuase, an again–a boy band. this is a very affirming song that I feel fits not only the marriage equality struggle, but also our straight allies.
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Ronnie | February 19, 2010 at 8:40 pm
I might see if “No Matter What” fits into the remix,,,,I do love “God must of spent” (I know the choreography….shhhh!!…….DON”T JUDGE ME!!!) but although I have chosen a picture of a Priest I think I want to keep the song non-denominational..I haven’t decided yet….although there some good versus in that song that could work…..dang it this like when I was putting together the song for my final collection at school….I managed to mix over 30 songs into a 15 minute time…don’t ask me how….I guess I just felt the music…. though I brought down the house…hehehe…<3…Ronnie
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Billy | February 19, 2010 at 7:19 pm
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0210/Gays_gay_marriage_foes_spar_at_CPAC.html?showall
I love it! Maggie Gallagher drama!
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Felyx | February 19, 2010 at 8:02 pm
the lighter side of NOM…
The groups were apparently so chummy that a NOM official wandered by the GOProud booth during a CNN segment on the group to propose a friendly beer summit.
Later in the day, however, NOM e-mailed a less friendly statement:
Many reporters, including Politico, have asked us how we feel about the fact GOProud is just a few booths over from us. We welcome everyone’s right to participate in the democratic process, but we have a message for GOProud on marriage: If you try to elect pro-gay-marriage Republicans, we will Dede Scozzafava them. The majority of Americans, and the vast majority of Republicans, support marriage as the union of husband and wife, and NOM is here to make sure these voters and their voices are heard loud and clear.
E-mails GOProud’s Chris Barron, “I guess the beer summit is off … unless, of course, a CNN camera is involved.”
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Ronnie | February 19, 2010 at 8:12 pm
I mean seriously where do they get this majority number and why are they speaking for them….The majority of America is either under age and/or DO NOT CARE!!!!!!….Not to mention that amongst the majority of people under the age of 30 support marriage equality…..these NOM people are FOOLS….YOU”RE A FOOL!!!!…..<3…Ronnie
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Felyx | February 19, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Ronnie, when they say ‘Americans’ they are not talking about Canadians or Puerto Ricans, and when they say ‘Republicans’ they are not speaking of LCR or GOProud Republicans…
As near as I can tell they are speaking only of American Republican Hetrosexual NOM employees that have gotten used to Maggie Gallagher’s body odor…..I think his Brian Brown-nose? Don’t quote me on that.
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Billy | February 19, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Oh, and I just watched that video in this article up top, and all I have to say is…
Who the !@#$ does that little pissant think he is?
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Ronnie | February 19, 2010 at 7:38 pm
I said some thing along the lines of:
What F@$# does this F%^^$ piece of donkey #%#^ think he F%%*&*ing dealing with….He had got some F#^&ing nerve speaking like that to other people in F%$&* public….I hope somebody F&*%&(ing trips this guy and H^%& him from the GD rafters….and poke him with a **&(0-0^^()&^^&$%^& De Pak Chopra…..I’m G^&%(*( American dang it…..and then of course….I want world Peace….lol…hehehe…<3….Ronnie
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Billy | February 19, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Ryan Sorba smells like lube and regret.
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Bill | February 20, 2010 at 7:57 am
He’s too stupid for regret.
He just smells like lube.
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Lesbians Love Boies | February 19, 2010 at 8:07 pm
I didn’t watch the video, and doubt that I ever will. It just hurt inside to think about what Brian was talking about in the blog entry and then reading your comments made me realize I don’t need to see it. We already go through personal pains from our own public and private lives, just because we are who we are. And to know that there are people who are so evil that they prey upon all homosexuals and incite hatred and violence is incomprehensible.
I read the lawrence vs. texas briefs earlier today and learned what torment people faced so long ago and not so long ago. Some people want us to face it again. It tears me apart to think that they can be so hateful. I hope we all can stand up and fight for our rights with dignity. But just reading something like this does make me want to throw something…and I am not a violent person by any means.
Just my thoughts. Peace my friends…and I do hope we can always prove we are the more upstanding tax paying US citizens. It’s hard to take with a grain of salt, but I will for now.
b
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Billy | February 19, 2010 at 10:08 pm
So many hot emotions in this thread… So I wanna be off topic. Look, a puppy!
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PDXAndrew | February 20, 2010 at 9:08 am
LOL… thanks Bill!
Love, Andrew
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Ronnie | February 20, 2010 at 9:20 am
hehehe….Chewie….lol….<3…Ronnie
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 20, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Oh, he’s precious! Thanks, Billy!♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
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Linda | February 19, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Thanks, Billy! I needed that!
Love,
Linda
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Felyx | February 19, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Commentary on how to recognize possible mentally disordered persons using quasi-intelligible speech patterns.
I had mentioned Asperger’s Syndrome and I thought it might be informative to give a little insight into how some persons with very difficult to spot mental challenges think.
First I will deconstruct Sorba’s final paragraph them make a note on what can be made of it and what can be done to deal with it. Here goes:
First we start out with a blatent condemnation of the organization that is sponsoring him by bringing up a controversial issue that the audience is not really interested in. The crowd boos. Normally a speaker would not walk into such a hotbed but one who does would then self efface, perhaps make a brief supporting statement of his position and walk away. Ryan Sorba however, seeming to delight in the scorn, says, “Bring it on.” and repeats, “I love it!” This is indicative on one who has total belief in what they are saying and feels rewarded by the nay saying of others. A sort of you will see that I am right!
So here is the text.
“Guess what?…Guess what?…Alright? Guess what?…”
This can be time taken to gather together thoughts in order to say something in a particular manner. It is however challenging the audience which continues to alienate. Asperger’s have no problem with not having others agree with or like them. They tend to be unable to make appropriate emotional attachments, and derision actually brings a somewhat pleasurable feeling not unlike a hug would to a non-affected person.
“Civil rights are grounded in natural rights.”
This sentence alone could start a college course! Natural rights is definable in so many ways that it could acually mean civil rights itself! The manner in which it is used can also bring to mind a connotation of moral rights, things that occur in nature, inherent rights, and inalienable rights. Unfortunately the phrase is not clearly defined and leaves the rational mind somewhat unclear on its meaning and ‘open’ actively looking for context. this is something hypnotherapist recognize and use in their practice. At first it can ‘seem’ logical and meaningful but this will fade as the context gets more convoluted.
“Natural rights are grounded in human nature.”
After being given no clear idea of what natural rights are other than perhaps an implied moral imperative we are then faced with another vague term that defies universal definition but speaks of what is inherent to a human.
What we are left with is a fuzzy statement that declares how social laws are to be formed.
The laws we make are to be expressly made according to the things that we should have a right to do which are to based on what comes naturally to the human or humans doing it.
Seems somewhat open to interpretation right?
The mind of a person with Asperger’s is not incapable of creating or using language. They have excellent grammar and syntax, a wide lexicon just chock full of fittycent words…all correctly used as regards to form and function.
Where we lack is in meaning. The phrase,’Civil rights are grounded in natural rights. Natural rights are grounded in
human nature.’ While grammatically correct, are meaningful as memes but not when connected in this manner. The two sentences become vague and hynotically confusing. *Bonus feature* Using the root word nature twice as seen here creates a sympathy between the two words. Further associating their meanings and further working in the subconsious mind.
It is important to understand, the individual is not doing this consiously, but rather has a disordered thought process that brings it forth ‘naturally’.
Let’s go on.
“Human nature is a rational substance in a relationship.”
‘Rational’ could be refering to rationality, the concept of finding the optimal. Human nature is just plain nothing of the sort whatsoever. To claim that a nature is a substance is an incompatibility of terms. To state that the way people are is a well reasoned thing in a relationship is grammatical linguistically but incomprehensible when trying to determine context or meaning. Again, a window in to a mind with disordered thinking.
“The intelligible end of the reproductive act is reproduction.”
Literal translations:’The comprehending result of shooting sperm into a uterus is a baby.’
The near meaningless ‘intelligible end’ nonewithstanding,
the latter is no guaruntee to which many a couple will attest. Here again we have a ‘hypnotic’ truth with no truth to it. The inevitable result of war is death….unless the ammo is non-lethal, the war was staged or it was just a game.
“Do you understand that.”
Asperger’s do not or cannot make an emotional connection with their audience. Furthermore, the habit of talking in a manner that is confusing and disordered, a sufferer of Asperger’s will, after awhile, be in the habit of recognizing he is not well understood. (Which furthers the notion that he is ‘above’ the common crowd in intellect.)
“Civil rights when they conflict with natural rights are contrary….”
Too bad that is where it ends but it still tells is something. In the first phrase he says, “Civil rights are grounded in natural rights.” Having grounded the civil rights in natural rights it is hard to imagine how they could then somehow be in conflict. Either, one is not grounded in the other, or there is no real conflict. The only way I could see this sentense finish in a ‘rational’ way is if he perhaps said, “Civil rights when they conflict with natural rights are contrary to human nature” It is not really logical mind you but it fits his rationalizing pattern.
In any event, the above deconstruction allows us to do the following:
1) Once again recognize and filter out meaningless gibberish.
2) Hear the emotional (or unemotional) message being delivered.
3) Recognize that the people attracted to such speech are most likely disordered in their though process as well and have found someone with whom they can relate.
(Eye opening case in point….when I discovered that this was a real thing, I attempted to create a disordered process of speech patterning based on this and was honest to God able to effectiviely communicate to others who were getting all worked up over a local issue. I did not draw everone away but I got to enough that it changed the outcome. Very eye opening!!!)
The most important thing one can do when one recognize such an individual is to focus on the other participants to gauge reactions. Take a temp so to speak as to how receptive others are. Maybe you don’t need to me in that group, or (within a less inflammatory setting) maybe there is no need to get worked up about anything at all.
Anyway, being rational and logical is a bit of a chore. If this is been helpful to anyone let me know.
Felyx
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J. Stone | February 19, 2010 at 11:20 pm
I enjoyed the deconstruction. Thanks, Felyx. Absolute certainty is usually a sign of craziness, in my opinion. My therapist has a bumper-sticker: “Don’t believe everything you think.” If more people were a little less certain about things, the world would be a better place–I know that for a fact. :)
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Michelle Evans | February 20, 2010 at 12:37 am
When he talks of “natural law” he forgets that gay is part of nature, so “natural law” would include being gay, lesbian, and trans. Sort of blows his whole idea out of the water if he had any logical thinking behind it. Of course, you hear this argument about “natural law” all the time with the fundies and not one of them understands that gay is a part of nature. They laugh at you when you show that there are actually a lot of species of animals that have a percentage that are gay. They don’t want to believe it, thus it does not exist.
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Felyx | February 20, 2010 at 7:39 am
Not sure where you are coming from here….I said ‘not incapable’ which means they are indeed capable. It is not the use of the words that is incorrect but the emotional meanings which are misapplied at times.
In my own way, I believe I was making the point that you so aptly stated…”Aspergers people are characterized by social and emotional difficulties and an inability to understand and/or read the EMOTIONS of others around them.”
I believe I pointed out how Sorba did not seem to be able to EMOTIONALLY connect with the audience and thus aleinated them.
Perhaps you read by too fast and made a hasty judgement. I work with the mentally and emotionally challenged as part of my career.
The underlying message I was making was to be aware of those who have differently ordered or disordered minds and be able to take a step back and not get emotionally (verbally) engaged in an argument when there are other factors at play.
Ultimately this message is a rehash of all my messages, Love whoever it is who is causing the harm and be rational and logical in your dealings with that person.
I have an in-law with Asperger’s. He is 12. He does not act at all like Sorba at all. Not everyone with a similar diagnosis acts the same way.
Again, please reread my several posts and reevaluate your position. I think you will find I was fair, accurate, and trying to dampen the negativity the community was expressing towards this man. (who has a history of this behaviour.)
Sincerely,
Felyx
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Felyx | February 20, 2010 at 7:41 am
The above reply was misplace, it was a response to Nettl.
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Nettl | February 20, 2010 at 4:56 am
“The mind of a person with Asperger’s is not incapable of creating or using language. They have excellent grammar and syntax, a wide lexicon just chock full of fittycent words…all correctly used as regards to form and function.”
Uhhh…wrong. Go back and study Aspergers syndrome. While I appreciate what you’re trying to do here, you have just done to some very intelligent and wonderful people what others are doing to us. I have a step son with Aspergers and he could put your word-usage, and UNDERSTANDING of word-usage to shame. Aspergers
people are on the high-functioning end of Autism. They’re not idiot-savants, nor are they simply mindless, emotionless machines who recite words, facts, and figures without understanding what they recite. Aspergers people are characterized by social and emotional difficulties and an inability to understand and/or read the EMOTIONS of others around them. They are frequently plagued with high anxiety, paranoia, as well as obsessive/compulsive disorder, but given the proper environment and chance to thrive, they can function in the world and in society as successfully as anyone else.
I know that this was off topic, but I HATE it when people go running off at the mouth about things of which they know nothing about. This is what we as LGBT’s fight on a daily basis- people who go running off at the mouth about us and our lives, when they have NO CLUE or understanding of who and/or what we are.
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Bolt | February 20, 2010 at 12:23 am
Far out! I can’t wait until we resume marriage equality in California. The religious homophobic perverts will blow a gasket!
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Tim | February 20, 2010 at 2:44 am
This IDIOT talks about “Natural”
Well I came from two heterosexual people! No preservatives no additives! I am a part of them! I am as “Natural” as my parents! I just happen to be gay! I feel sorry for anyone who has the hate and ignorance that this poor soul has. Much love Tim…
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pearlheartgtr | February 20, 2010 at 3:04 am
Wow. I am really at a loss for words.
Such a sad, sad little man. Did his mother not show him enough love as a child?
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 20, 2010 at 5:39 pm
pearl. I have an idea that neither of his parents showed him any love and affection as a child.
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Rightthingtodo TX | February 20, 2010 at 4:17 am
bring it? really dude? bring it?
as i watched this, two words popped into my head “eighth grade”
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Billy | February 20, 2010 at 7:20 am
This was made in 2008 but I love it.
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Ronnie | February 20, 2010 at 7:28 am
ROTFLMGAO!!!!!……..I’m voting Republican because I want to be discriminated against, Bashed and/or possibly murdered…..<3…Ronnie……Cookie?
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jimig | February 20, 2010 at 7:51 am
OMG I am just amazed, I do have to wonder how much pron did this guy look at before he made his choices. Did he have a couple of friends help him review the materials.
I am all for sex ed and open communication in Chruch. Many of my friends first time happened during a church retreat or camp. So sex and church go together I get why they did it. I don’t have the data anymore but I remember reading some material asking people when they first had sex. It was amazing how many reported some type of church activity.
Pretty sure this idiot just gave this hormon driven group some ideas. Ya porn is nasty to be fair he should have shown some stright porn that would really have had an impact.
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 9:39 am
And … today I discovered that the same self-loathing former friend is going around the internet posting reviews of my novel that describe it as ‘slash fiction.’ For those unfamiliar with the term, slash is generally used in reference to gay porn (so, somewhat on topic for our discussion). Except for one thing — my novel is not gay porn. I don’t write gay porn.
What a sick, sorry individual. I regret only that I let him back into my life at all when he begged me to do so 4 years ago. :-(
Love,
Fiona
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Linda | February 20, 2010 at 9:44 am
Fiona–I’m sorry you’re going through this. Ironic, isn’t it, that you are being harassed by someone who’s cause you so vigorously support. Thank you for not lumping all of us into his twisted category!
Love,
Linda
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 9:58 am
Linda, he himself is against equality. When I questioned him about this once, he said “I don’t need the government getting into my life like that. Plus, I have no problem with discrimination. If I want to discriminate against someone, I should be able to.”
When I turned it around and said “Then, you are okay with people discriminating against you?”, he said “Yes.”
I am not making this up.
Now, I don’t deny anyone their right to free association. Pick and choose whom you invite to dinner, I don’t care. But when it comes to the public square, there is no room for that.
What this is really about is a sad, sick little man who got what he asked for — not having me as a friend — and is annoyed that I got on with my life and didn’t beg for him to come back. His attempts to get my attention are escalating to the point that he is trying to damage my professional reputation.
I hope he gets counseling for whatever the hell is wrong with him, to tell you the truth. He wonders why he can’t maintain friendships or relationships, but his own toxic acts are the reason why.
Were you the one who had the joke about Atlas Shrugged vs. Lord of the Rings? Well, he’s one who took to heart the book that didn’t have the orcs in it … with the predicted result.
Love,
Fiona
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 10:01 am
PS to Linda — he is also the person whom I discussed once before as calling my marriage equality work a “Lady Bountiful project.” Never mind that I was working on marriage equality for two years before he begged to come back into my life, LOL. He said that I was only working on this project as a way to prove how liberal I was.
No, I’m working on this project because I *care* about it.
(You know what I think is at the bottom of this, really? I think he’s mad because he wasn’t my only gay friend. Seriously. When he asked to come back into my life in 2006, he asked whether he was the only gay person I knew. Um, no.)
Love,
Fiona
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K!r!lleXXI | February 20, 2010 at 10:11 am
@Fiona
Why it does not surprise me? Typical case of internalized homophobia! He hates himself, he just can’t see it. Have you thought that the reason he didn’t want you to be his friend is because you support equality — for internalized homophobes these things tend to become very important, they become very intolerable of anyone who says something opposite to their beliefs on their own sexuality?
Well, it’s hard to say something about someone you don’t know in person. But the fact that he asked you about being the only gay person you know indicates he’s looking for a fag hag and he wants you to be that “hag” to his “fag.”
What’re you gonna do about him? It may not go away on its own…
–Kirill, from Russia with love :)
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Linda | February 20, 2010 at 10:16 am
Fiona–Funny you should mention ‘Atlas Shrugged’…I’m trying to make myself read that right now. My girlfriend considers herself an Objectivist, although IMHO she’s much too open-minded to be put in that category. My very limited experience with Objectivists is they’re egotists who consider any opinions other than their own to be inferior and flawed. They LACK objectivity. They see things through their own eyes, and seem incapable of considering any other point of view.
I have just come out of the bonds of Christianity, myself, and am not interested in leaping from one idealogy dictating how I should think to another doing the same thing. I prefer to think for myself. I consider myself a ‘free thinker’.
Love,
Linda
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 10:24 am
Ah. I found the joke I referred to earlier.
http://jmichaelrobertson.blogspot.com/2009/03/of-atlas-shrugged-and-lord-of-rings.html
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
Kirill, what I plan to do about it is exactly *nothing.* He wants me to get upset and react to his abuse, because then he will have my attention again. I meant what I said. He did this to me once before. He had a boyfriend who said that if he had straight female friends, he was a homophobe. So, he dumped me. That’s not homophilia, that’s misogyny. Cut forward nearly 20 years and he’s begging to come back into my life. I let him. We had been very good friends prior, and I believed his conciliatory tone.
Linda, here’s what I have learned about Randian Objectivists: once a principle has been discovered through reason to be True, that is the end of the discussion. If you disagree with the principle, then your reasoning is flawed. If your reasoning is flawed it can be corrected, but if it is not, you remain flawed and do not belong in the group. Excommunication is the final step for such unreformed heretics.
R. chose to “excommunicate” me because he could not “correct my reasoning.” Okay, fine. I told him, and I mean it, that he will not do this to me again. People who use this kind of methodology to gain control are exercising emotional blackmail: “think and do as I say to think and do, or I will shun you.”
The brilliant playwright Oscar Wilde once said that selfishness does not lie in doing as you wish, but in demanding that others do as you wish.
I think that says it all.
Love,
Fiona
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Linda | February 20, 2010 at 10:31 am
Fiona–Yes! That has been my observation re: Randian Objectivists as well. And that is why my gf does NOT fit that label (thank goodness!).
I love the quote by Oscar Wilde. That puts it quite succinctly, doesn’t it? And that perfectly describes the Religious Right’s attitude.
Love,
Linda
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Alan E. | February 20, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Regarding Atlas Shrugged, I think that the imagery in the book was fantastic. I read it twice because I thought it was beautifully written. The message, however, I did not take to heart. There was no empathy for the human condition. They completely forgot about the people who had no control over situations and got caught up in the maelstrom. My favorite image was in the very beginning. She described a large tree that had been sitting at the top of the hill. One day, the tree fell over, but one could tell that the tree had already been dead for a long time before. This was a perfect example to describe her entire book in a short passage, and she inserted it very early.
I too am too open-minded to be an Objectivist. I see that there are many things that affect the greater whole, but it is a balance of the greater “good” and selfishness that our country was founded on, but there are too many that are moving away from the larger viewpoint and focusing soley on themselves.
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 20, 2010 at 5:49 pm
fiona, if this individual thinks that by legalizing equality for us, that the government would be getting into his life, then he really has beeen given a messed-up definition of what equality means. Actually, if I am understanding the marriage equality issue, by granting us thsame full civil rights as everyone else, that would effectively REMOVE thr government from everyone’s private lives, and allow all of us to get on with our lives and for all of the things that are such hot button issues currently to become non-issues. And I agree with Linda, and I, too, thank you for not lumping all of us in his twisted category.
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Sheryl Carver | February 20, 2010 at 10:13 am
Are there any current, peer-reviewed studies that address the issue of whether or not there is a link between homophobia & (repressed? unacknowledged?) homosexual or bisexual orientation?
I did a little searching on the web, but all I could find was an article published in 1996 titled “Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?” The conclusion was:
“Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.”
My reason for asking is that the more we know about those who hate & fear us, the better our ability to deal with them.
Thanks,
Sheryl
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K!r!lleXXI | February 20, 2010 at 10:20 am
@Sheryl
I’ve heard about one study that was measuring arousal (khem, by measuring penis size changes) in two groups: one group consisted of men who expressed clear homophobic indicators, the other group consisted of men who were fine with gays. Both groups were shown gay porn (or homoerotic scenes, don’t remember exactly). Men in the group with homophobes showed a significantly higher level of arousal than in the other group. You do the math. :)
–Kirill
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PDXAndrew | February 20, 2010 at 10:40 am
Good question. I keep hearing all the “methinks she doth protest too much” anecdotes about homophones being the biggest closet cases, but have never heard of a study.
From my own experience: when I was in the closet (but past the self-loathing stage and in just the fear-of-being-beaten stage), I had to be careful to pretend to not be interested in gay stuff. Hindsight being what it is, I don’t think I came across as homophoic. I hope.
Love, Andrew
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Ronnie | February 20, 2010 at 10:46 am
Ex-Governor of NJ, Jim McGreevey confessed to being Homophobic when he was in high school….It’s all in his book…..and look how well that turned out….<3…Ronnie
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 10:28 am
Kirill, you correctly remembered the study. It was conducted at the University of Georgia. Here is a link to the particulars:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fuel2.htm
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K!r!lleXXI | February 20, 2010 at 10:36 am
@Fiona
And, looks like, this is the one Sheryl was talking about (1996).
Thanks for the link!
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Sheryl Carver | February 21, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Yes, that’s the one. I was just hoping there had been another, more recent one, perhaps with a larger group of people.
Sorry to take so long to reply – was very busy Sat. & couldn’t spend much time on the computer. <3 Sheryl
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Kelly | February 20, 2010 at 10:53 am
Wait. Straight porn isn’t representative of straight sex? Is that why my plumber wasn’t hot and buff, and he looked rather uncomfortable when I answered the door wearing a teddy?
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Ronnie | February 20, 2010 at 10:58 am
I always answer the door in my A&F underwear when the Pizza Delivery guy shows up…and nothing….well once but he was my boyfriend so that doesn’t count…..Isn’t funny when you find out that not everything on film is realistic….I haven’t been able to figure out how to fly on a broom like Harry Potter yet…..Reality SUCKS!!!….hehehe…<3…Ronnie
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 11:07 am
Ronnie, I swear to God I picked up a toy Nimbus 2000 at Toys ‘r’ Us as a possible “gag gift” for a Harry Potter fan in my circle … and the damned thing was labeled “broom does not actually fly.”
I think we have taken it a little far when toys require those labels, don’t you?
Love,
Fiona
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Ronnie | February 20, 2010 at 11:12 am
LMAO…..Kinda like the lifelike Jedi light sabers that are ridiculously expensive….yes…but obviously its required….I wonder what they will come up with when that new Greek mythology movie series begins:
“This ambrosia does no turn you into an immortal”…..<3…Ronnie
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K!r!lleXXI | February 20, 2010 at 11:13 am
How about labels on microwave ovens that say “Do not use to dry cats!” :) These days they just try to protect themselves from lawsuits from people who come up with new ideas for using utensils in weird ways…
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 11:15 am
My hairdryer came with a warning that I should not use it while sleeping. Huh?
My husband has a screwdriver in his tool kit that is stamped “Do not insert screwdriver into eye.” You would think this would go without saying …
Love,
Fiona
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Ronnie | February 20, 2010 at 11:22 am
I had this glue from Sweden that said “caution will bond when dries”…….UMMM ya think?!!!!……..<3…Ronnie
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 11:25 am
My husband’s favorite was a snack we got on Southwest Airlines. Bag was labeled as follows:
Southwest Airlines
Peanuts
Caution: May contain nuts
Argh.
Love,
Fiona
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Ronnie | February 20, 2010 at 11:33 am
ROTFLMGAO…..How about this…I bought this chemical online that creates a burnout texture on fabric…the bottle actually says “Caution, use in moderation, test on sample fabric and dilute with water. May burn through cloths and fabric”……ok isn’t that what I bought it for?…..pin cushion meet head…..BOAW!!!….BOAW!!!…BOAW!!!!…..<3…Ronnie
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 20, 2010 at 5:51 pm
Or how about the label on the Norelco Roto-Trac I gotas a graduation gift in 1981 that read “Do not use while in the shower, due to risk of shock.”
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 11:05 am
ROFLMAO … this is a true story.
A bunch of my gal-pals and I used to rent a vacation home once a year for a get-together. No husbands/boyfriends/kids allowed. The first year we did it, we picked a place in the Mendocino woods with a hot tub. We figured that if we wanted to just hop in nekkid there’d be no one around to see and it was all great.
Well, the hot tub didn’t heat up, so we called the property management company. They promised to send “Randy, our pool man.” I am not kidding.
We still joke about “Randy, our pool man” a decade later and how the middle-aged guy who showed up and proved unable to repair the hot tub in the secluded house filled with 10 women was not exactly the pornographic plot you might imagine.
We all went into the main bathroom, which had a huge tub with a window seat, and put our feet in that instead, LOL.
Love,
Fiona
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dieter | February 20, 2010 at 2:57 pm
OK that’s it! I am starting discussions here in California to make “gay” a religion. Problem solved..we can then marry who we want and do it all tax exempt!!
ta-da……
Now what OTHER world crisis can I solve for everyone?
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Ronnie | February 20, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Well there is a “war” on terrorism….I think who ever can figure how to solve that problem will become Queen of the world….<3…Ronnie
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Nagatron-666! | February 20, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Alright…..we will just make it a gay war. It will be RuPaul’s Drag Race on an international level!!! Hahahahah!!!!
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Felyx | February 20, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Well Ronnie?…..you did say whoever solved that one would be “Queen of the World!!” <3 Felyx
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dieter | February 20, 2010 at 3:35 pm
ending every war we are in right now would be very easy…the countries we are at war with think homosexuals are either non existent, or evil…either way all we have to do is put all our soldiers in drag then play “it’s raining men” as loud as we can over loud speakers….the other side would surrender within moments…….
we could also make it policy that ANY person who is considered an enemy shall receive the punishment of being FORCED to have gay sex if they are captured….
I am pretty sure none of them would want to risk such a horrible fate and likewise would just give up the war.
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Felyx | February 20, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Either that or you would have a hell of alot of captees on your hands!!! LOL <3 Felyx
(Sorry misposted.)
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Dieter, I am holding you personally responsible for the fact that “It’s Raining Men” is now stuck in my head.
Love,
Fiona
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 20, 2010 at 5:57 pm
I agree, fiona. I haven’t heard that song in forever! and now I can’t get it out of my head. Guess I need to plug in my headphones and crank up Connie Francis singing the Hava Nagila! LOL
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fiona64 | February 21, 2010 at 8:34 am
Okay, Dieter. This is all your fault. I just want you to know that not even imagining Connie Francis singing “Hava Nagila” worked.
So, now you are going to have to see “It’s Raining Men,” with my favorite actor (Gerard Butler).
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dieter | February 20, 2010 at 3:40 pm
As for homelessness, and hunger?..easy…just kill all the greedy republicans, and let the homeless take over their homes in exchange for cheap labor for businesses that need help.
As for health care?..easy also. since we are all so sick of all the damn television commercials..we simply charge any business who advertises on tv a 1% tax which will go directly to a fund to pay for health services. this alone would create a trillion dollars.
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dieter | February 20, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Dieter for President!!!! LOL
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PDXAndrew | February 20, 2010 at 5:24 pm
You got my vote… But who for VP? I nominate Fiona or Richard W-J :)
Love, Andrew
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fiona64 | February 20, 2010 at 5:36 pm
I think Richard W-J would be better, myself.
(My husband is an actor … you would always be wondering what the Second Gentleman would get up to next.)
Love,
Fiona
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 20, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Andrew, fiona, Thank you for your votes of confidence. At least if I were vice-president, you would know that honesty would be the rule. Just as it would be if fiona were vice-president. Of course, BZ’s staff would have to know Yiddish and Hebrew!
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 20, 2010 at 6:01 pm
And fiona, I really don’t tink we would have to worry about what your husband wuld be up to next. We would just install him as chief of the NEA. That way arts funding would get a fair shake!
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Felyx | February 20, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Either that or you would have a hell of alot of captees on your hands!!! LOL <3 Felyx
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Richard Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | February 20, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Felyx, you are so right. there would be alot of captees, and most of them would probably volunteer!
168. CPAC Membership Not That Into the Fight Against Equality « Prop 8 Trial Tracker | February 21, 2010 at 5:56 pm
[…] We’ve been doing some coverage of the big conservative shindig, CPAC, over the last few days. From the right-wing leadership, you get garbage like their crazy statements about don’t ask don’t tell that imply that American troops are less professional than many Europeans. And then, of course, you have this idiot. […]
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jayjaylanc | February 22, 2010 at 9:12 am
I’m torn. On the one hand, I want to defend GoProud from Mr. Sorba. On the other hand, I tend to think that GLBT who cleave to conservative political groups are pretty much like African-Americans who join the KKK and Jews who join the Nazi Party.
I don’t care so much that they have some sort of fiscal conservatism or anything like that…that’s something to debate and disagree on, fine. But to ignore the existential threat that the current ultra-conservative hegemony over the conservative movement poses for GLBT paints them as compartmentalists, or people who imagine that hiding in the closet isn’t so bad if they have to, as long as they have their money.
Money’s nice, but I’m not going to give up my freedom and my entitlement to first-class American citizenship just like straight peoples’ for it.
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Felyx | February 22, 2010 at 9:20 am
I think it is cool just to sit our phat collective ass right in the middle of their ‘love-in’. Shakes up their home field advantage. Nothing says your in a sinking boat like a one ton Elephant aboard! Hehehehehe! <3Felyx
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Straight Ally #3008 | February 22, 2010 at 11:32 am
Andrew Dice Clay called. He says Ryan should stop being such an a–hole.